We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

Barack Obama sat, listening intently in his pew -- he didn't register any disapproval -- while his pastor made inflammatory remarks about America. Obama has admitted that he was present when Reverend Wright made controversial remarks about American domestic and foreign policy. He didn't walk out; he kept coming back to a congregation that was demonstrably on the same page as Rev. Wright.

In his own words, Obama has admitted: "Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely."

Why didn't Obama walk out? How can we be sure that he does not share those views? Would you sustain your relationship with a man that blames American for 9/11? The issue is not one of race - it is about Senator Obama's political judgement and whether his true beliefs match his perceived ones. And it is reasonable to question.

Worse still, MSNBC's hardball revealed that Wright advised Obama that their long-term association -- Wright married Obama and baptized his child -- could be political plutonium. Obama told Rev. Wright that they would have to part ways, but didn't.

I applaud Senator Obama's condemnation of Wright's hate speech, despite questioning his motivation for doing so. No matter how soaring Obama's oratory is tonight, doubts will remain, and his political judgement is questionable.

Tags: anti-americanism, Barack Obama, strike, Wright (all tags)

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94 Comments

Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

i don't get it. when i hear a racist joke, i get up and walk out. same thing with racist words- i don't use them, and i don't associate with people who do. it's an absolute standard.

am i being too picky?

by campskunk 2008-03-18 09:05AM | 0 recs
No...

You're behaving in the same way most of us would. We just don't like race-baiting. And while I commend Obama for finally making a clear rejection of Rev. Wright's inflammatory rhetoric, I still don't think it's enough for him to "distance" himself from Wright while still associating with him and his racially divisive message. Obama can't have it both ways.

by atdleft 2008-03-18 09:16AM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

No, you sound like an intelligent and moral human to me.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-18 09:26AM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?
That is what ALL people do who have the courage of their convictions and are not playing games to their own advantage (like the relatives who kiss up to their hated old relative who might just leave them some money). I remember when I moved into town and went to a new church that was recommended to me. In the second sermon the minister said that the Jews killed Jesus and that we needed to always remember that whenever we ran into one of "them." Bye bye!
by The Smoldering Crone 2008-03-18 09:33AM | 0 recs
Words do stick and can have power

When I was young a nun told us in catechism class that it was a mortal sin if someone touched our bodies. For a few years after that until I was much older I said an act of contrition everytime someone even bumped into me. And that nun only told me once. So if there are young people in Rev. Wright's church I can only imagine the effects of his negative tirades.

by roseeriter 2008-03-18 10:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Words do stick and can have power

When did you leave the Catholic Church? Was it right after it became obvious that they were protecting pedophile priests? That would be the time any decent person would. Why would anyone stay? And anyone who contirbutes to a church that pays for the legal defense of these monsters and even swaps them around from church to church once the parisheners start to become suspicious would have to be devoid of any common sense and decency. I'll just assume you did the right thing. I'm proud of you!

by kitebro 2008-03-18 01:32PM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

I threw out my first husband's car-salesman brothers when they called their customers "chinks" and "jew boys". If I could tell my brothers-in-law to get out of my house, Obama could walk out of a church.
by ellend818 2008-03-18 12:17PM | 0 recs
Yes.

Hearing offensive comments and even being friends with the offender is nothing to condemn.

Perhaps Obama saw redeeming value in other aspects of Wright's sermons, or simply liked the mass or the congregation too much to leave.

That the diarist "wonders" if Obama somehow shares those views is an absurd speculation.  His track record of thoughtful speeches extolling the beauty and promise of America would suggest otherwise.

by corph 2008-03-18 10:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Yes.

To the contrary, refusing to take a stand against Wright's vitrol and hatred from the pulpit would suggest Obama's speeches are a sham.

by KnowVox 2008-03-18 01:11PM | 0 recs
Speeches are not proof..

Anyone can read a speech. What has he done when confronted with clear and graphic evidence of the racial divide and racial hatred? How is he going to heal the racial devide he's so worried about if he can't even deal with his own pastor's racist, anti-American comments. It just doesn't pass the logic/smell test. If he's such a great post racial leader and he was so close to and inspired by the Rev Wright then why wouldn't he have been able to convince Wright of the post racial America that Obama will bring. If he can't even convince someone so close to him how the heck is he going to create a whole new beautiful world? It does not compute-he's either completely ineffetive or full of shi#

by berkshiretrueblue 2008-03-18 03:00PM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

But the real question is whether you'd issue a correction if you were out of town at the time

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/17/kris tol-issues-a-correction-i-regret-the-err or/

by steampunkx 2008-03-18 11:12AM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

He wasn't out of town EVERY time - he admitted he heard Wright use this kind of rhetoric.

by cmugirl90 2008-03-18 11:15AM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

And what exactly is so bad about Wright's rhetoric?  Why shouldn't a black man in America, an Ex-Marine for gawd's sake, rage against the machine?  Hell, I grew up poor and white and have said worse.

And please, don't get me started on political parsing.  You're supporting Hillary, you don't get to play the parsing card without also drawing from the hypocrisy deck.

by steampunkx 2008-03-18 11:36AM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

Well, for one thing it jeopardizes the entire church's tax exempt status -- which is precisely why Obama's church is under investigation by the IRS.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail /2008/02/26/irs_investigating_obamas_chu rc_2.html

by KnowVox 2008-03-18 01:14PM | 0 recs
so you believe whites invented AIDS?

and used it to wreak genocide on blacks? wright does. how about the "crack is a CIA plot to keep blacks addicted" theory? do you buy that too? all that paranoid stuff is off the deep end racism- farrakan territory. next, you'll be telling us a mad scientist created white people from genetic experiments on blacks. that's another crazy belief. racism is racism, no matter the color of the person expounding it.

by campskunk 2008-03-18 03:46PM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

You know who else didn't walk out?

Hillary Clinton, when her cheating, lying husband ran around on her with other women.

Wait, lemme guess, that was the "courageous" stance for you HRC supporters, right?

Was it the politically motivated stance, or does she just hate the institution of marriage?
/snark

Come off it people. He is a human being. Just like she is, and sometimes you take someone you love, good and bad alike. I think that's what Obama did with Wright, and I think that's what Hillary did with Bill..

by Darknesse 2008-03-18 01:59PM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

Putting /snark does not excuse that odious and unfair comparison. Obama was not married to Wright, was he? Obama was not the victim of Wright's remarks, in the way Hillary was the victim of Bill's philandering. I very rarely troll rate any comment, but that one was just plain awful.

by itsthemedia 2008-03-18 02:24PM | 0 recs
Tips of Walking Out

When someone trashes America and fans the flames of racism.

by owl06 2008-03-18 09:07AM | 0 recs
Absolutely!

There's no excuse for Obama to continue allowing these racially divisive forces to be a part of his campaign if his whole campaign is supposedly about ending these racial divisions. It's as simple as that.

by atdleft 2008-03-18 09:18AM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

His speech did not address the questions people had.

by americanincanada 2008-03-18 09:10AM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

And people will question why he had to draw race into the matter, and why he gave the speech. The video will be re-played over and over, and his approval ratings will continue to slide.

by owl06 2008-03-18 09:11AM | 0 recs
The hell.

Your weasally phrasing suggests you've run out of questions.  The Clinton campaign ought to take a page from his playbook in terms of frankness and volunteering information.  Or do you still suspect Obama of being a trojan candidate who secretly hates America?

Not that Hillary could ever write or deliver a speech like that.

by corph 2008-03-18 10:48AM | 0 recs
Re: The hell.

The original comment you are "responding" did not say anything you just mentioned. What are you doing?

by praxis1 2008-03-18 12:25PM | 0 recs
Making my point.

The weasally phrase "people have asked" can't be refuted because it has no author and no question.  I'm suggesting that it's because the poster couldn't think of any that wouldn't be called out.  Which I find kind of cowardly.

It's kind of like my saying that your posts do not live up to standards of blogging that people have established.  Would you not find that annoyingly vague?

by corph 2008-03-18 01:14PM | 0 recs
When you hear something

you violently disagree with, you can stand up and walk out.  Short of that, you can request a private meeting with the pastor.  When one is a prominent member of the congregation, the meeting might have some sway.  

But then, this is the first time at least one member of their family has felt proud of her country, so there is at least a chance that Rev. Wright's words were well received by at least one member of their household.

by Beltway Dem 2008-03-18 09:14AM | 0 recs
Re: When you hear something

Please continue to misrepresent Michelle Obama as a sound bite taken out of context.  We can't risk people making their judgments based on the whole truth.

by freedom78 2008-03-18 09:26AM | 0 recs
Re: When you hear something

It was a poor choice of words, but it is not what it was made out to be. Michelle does not hate America, and it was taken out of context for sure.

by owl06 2008-03-18 09:33AM | 0 recs
Re: When you hear something

Thank you.

I don't mind anyone supporting any candidate, but it shouldn't be based on complete misrepresentations of other candidates (or their spouses).  

by freedom78 2008-03-18 09:41AM | 0 recs
Re: When you hear something

Sorry, but it's not a "complete misrepresentation" of Michelle's statement. She said what she said -- likewise a "poor choice of words."

by KnowVox 2008-03-18 09:55AM | 0 recs
Re: When you hear something

It's taken completely out of context.  When taken out of context, it seems to have a different meaning than when taken in context.

When this is done on purpose, it's a misrepresentation.  

by freedom78 2008-03-18 10:09AM | 0 recs
Let's see.

When a literal interpretation of a speaker's words is inconvenient for Obama supporters, I am to interpret them to mean something other than what the speaker said, but when a literal interpretation of a speaker's word is convenient for Obama supporters, I am to interpret them to mean precisely what the speaker said.  

There are so many rules when trying to keep up with the Obama campaign.  I just can't remember what I am supposed to do when.

by Beltway Dem 2008-03-18 10:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Let's see.

People (you) want to portray it as America hating, when it isn't.  First, she said "really proud" on some occasions, so it's not a contrast between proud and not proud, as you want it to be, but between some pride and greater pride.  Second, she justified that phrase by explaining her pride that people are hungry for change.  Seems like a positive, to me, unless of course you're a Republican.

Besides, you really don't want to get into this literal interpretation BS.  Remember when Hillary asked us to believe that Bob Johnson wasn't talking about Obama's youthful drug use?  Or when Bill tried to make Obama the "black candidate" by comparing him to Jesse Jackson...but no...we shouldn't take him literally.

Truth is, sometimes political figures make a statement or a speech, and it comes across differently than intended.  This is exacerbated when that person's enemies ignore the context of the statement.  

There are so many rules when trying to keep up with the Obama campaign.  I just can't remember what I am supposed to do when.

That's why we're here to tell you.

by freedom78 2008-03-18 10:36AM | 0 recs
Context?

Freedom,

I'm sorry, but I'm still not getting the context that makes MO's word's OK.

Can you provide some more context?

by plf1953 2008-03-18 11:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Let's see.

Don't you know the rules?  It's called W.O.R.M - What Obama Really Meant.

by cmugirl90 2008-03-18 11:19AM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

How can you repudiate his words after the fact as Obama did, and still attend his sermons every week. Didn't Obama just say the other day that he wasn't aware that his paster was making controversial remarks, or that he wasn't in attendance when he made the remarks, or am I mistaken in that assumption? Does anyone here have a transcript of him saying that a few days ago? Whenever Obama gets caught up in some issue that doesn't do him well, he tries to quell the issue through damage control, but he's not nearly good enough at it. Too many lingering questions about his credibility, his honesty and his dealings with controversial figures, Wright, Farrakhan and Rezko. This is enough to put up some red flags over his claim to the presidency.

by steve468 2008-03-18 09:15AM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

Wright did retire, but his association has been close. He came up with the title of Obama's book for god's sake.

by owl06 2008-03-18 09:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Sells out his Grandmother
This guy sold out his Grandmother to continue his relationship with Wright. He accuses her of racism and of making some hearsay statements that made him "cringe" to justify his relationship with Wright.
A private,now recalled ,conversation with your Grandmother is completely different from a man of cloth on a pulpit repeatedly condemning  the white America, Jews and the U.S. is entirely different and not comparable to a conversation you had with your white Grandmother. This is her posthumous reward for raising Obama to be reviled by him on national television.
 If that doesn't tell you how important that relationship is I don't know what will. Wright is Obama's "former" minister only in the sense that he has retired from the TUCC not because Obama dropped him.
And where is Wright why don't we hear from him about what he meant and what Obama knew?
We keep hearing "well these weren't Obama's words". fine but don't hide Wright. Where is he?
by coolofthenight 2008-03-18 09:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Sells out his Grandmother

I feel bad for his grandmother.  I believe you don't do that to your own family, you don't air their dirty laundry on national television.  I think anyone's family should be kept out of political controversy.  

I am starting to think I'd hate to be friends with Obama because you never knew what actions or words of yours might end up in his books or speeches if it were useful to him in making a rhetorical point.

by daria g 2008-03-18 09:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Sells out his Grandmother

Sold out his grandmother? That's complete and utter bullshit. He was trying to say that even people we love can say objectionable things. But I forget, this is MyDD. I should expect to see this garbage here.

by Yosef 52 2008-03-18 01:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Sells out his Grandmother

You cannot choose your grandmother, but you can choose your pastor.

by itsthemedia 2008-03-18 02:18PM | 0 recs
Good question.

I believe that sometimes you do have to take a stand when you're just passively listening, believe there's a problem - you act.  I was in a college literature course, freshman year, very popular professor who, in the days' class, really was crossing the line with piggish behavior - pushing female students to read aloud poetry to the class that clearly made them uncomfortable to be reading.  I got up and walked out.  Here in DC friends of mine have gone to antiwar protest marches sponsored and led in part by A.N.S.W.E.R., and I don't believe in what they stand for, I won't go.  I've spoken out at work meetings when staff are unfairly thrown under the bus even though I'm just production level and I can't imagine it was great for my career prospects to open my mouth and talk back to the VPs.  I know they're just words on the Internet but I've argued forcefully right back at some of the loudest and most prominent voices at Kos when I was there, if I thought they were saying statements that were flat wrong and out of bounds.  

Sometimes you have to.  I don't know when I've seen Obama doing this, on principle..

by daria g 2008-03-18 09:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Good question.

It was easy for Obama just to sit there; this undercuts arguments that his judgement is somehow superior. He failed to act.

His anti-Iraq war speech was easy - he didn't have to take a stand as he was not in the Senate at the time.

by owl06 2008-03-18 09:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Good question.

Um.  Didn't he do that today when he repudiated the controversial remarks made by Wright?  

The more relevant question would be whether you stopped being friends with your friends who went to protests sponsored by ANSWER.

by XoFalconXo 2008-03-18 09:37AM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

Huh?  Obama didn't "sell out" his grandmother.  He was making the point that people close to him of both races have made ignorant comments.  He can no longer "walk away" from Wright any more than he could walk away from his grandmother.  They are important and beloved people in his life.

You're all a bunch of hypocrites.  Unless you're living in a bubble, you all have family members and/or close friends who have made ignorant racially-charged comments before.  I wonder how many of you have disowned those family members or broken ties over such remarks.

by XoFalconXo 2008-03-18 09:34AM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

i have. my family left mississippi in 1964. any year is a good year to out of mississippi, but 1964 was one of the best. i have heard poison coming from the mouths of children. i got away from it.

by campskunk 2008-03-18 09:51AM | 0 recs
He sold her out

Be honest - for political expediency, he sold her out.  Now people will always think of her as racist.  He could have said "some family members" or "close friends" without naming names.  He also could have backed off from bringing race into the primary over and over, letting his campaign accuse the Clinton campaign of being racist.

The fact is, I HAVE broken family ties over racism.  I no longer speak to one brother.  Another brother is someone I keep putting on the straight and narrow because he's redeemable.  There have been friends (or friends of friends) that I have set straight.

The difference is me saying this about my brother is that no one knows who my brother is.  But everybody can find out who Obama's white grandma is.

by Montague 2008-03-18 10:41AM | 0 recs
Re: He sold her out

Oh for the love of Jesus, he didn't "sell out" his grandmother. You people are ridiculous. How about this: my grandmother is racist too. I love her, but she's undoubtedly a racist.

Sorry for selling you out, Grandma.

by amiches 2008-03-18 11:33AM | 0 recs
You just made my point

I do not know your grandmother. You haven't given me her name. I cannot find a picture of her or look up her address. I do not know what city she lives in. So if she is racist or sometimes said racist things in the past, she doesn't have to walk down the street (or if Obama's grandmother is no longer alive, it still reflects on her memory) wondering if everyone around her is looking at her and thinking "there goes that racist woman."

Instead of using his grandmother as a direct example, he should have used himself.

by Montague 2008-03-18 11:38AM | 0 recs
Re: You just made my point

...there's not a thing on earth Obama could have said today that would make you happy, is there?

Arguing with people like you is pointless. You missed the entire point of what he said if you think anyone will look at his grandmother (I don't know if she's still alive, but something makes me doubt it) with suspicion going forward.

by amiches 2008-03-18 11:48AM | 0 recs
Re: You just made my point

He could have said, "For the sake of party unity, I'm conceding today."

Heh.  Really, when have YOU ever listened to anything Hillary has said with your ears, mind and heart open?

That said, I may as well inform you that I don't find Wright's commentary all that bad.  He bought into some conspiracy theories, sure, but the only really bad thing was politicking from the pulpit.  Taking it to Hillary personally while in church.  Other than that, he had some good points.  I've been doing some defense of him here on MyDD.

by Montague 2008-03-18 11:56AM | 0 recs
Re: You just made my point

I regularly do so. In fact, I have no problem saying that I agree with Hillary on most things, and if she had made a speech as bold and as frank as this one I would applaud her for it. I just think she's running a backward, ineffectual, 50%+1 campaign, and that she's done so using some rather divisive means (attacking "creative class" liberals, among them). So I didn't vote for her.

by amiches 2008-03-18 11:59AM | 0 recs
Re: You just made my point

Okay, that's reasonable.  I'm a creative-class liberal, by the way, with a rockin' education.

I will say that Obama's platform is quite acceptable to me; it's his campaign and the fact that I don't trust him to enact the platform that put me off.

by Montague 2008-03-18 12:10PM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

As an aside, his choice of grandmother instead of grandfather to play the fall guy is extremely calculating. Hooks women's guilt reflex while once again giving men the chance to take the moral high ground (or at least squeak by).  Would never work the other way around.  And if it was his grandfather, he might have had the responsibility for holding him accountable, but, well, women, you know how irrational they are.  We love 'em anyway.

by oh puhleeze 2008-03-18 11:31AM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

Laughable. Could it have been that he actually heard his grandmother make questionable comments, whereas he didn't hear his grandfather make them?

This is pathetic.

by amiches 2008-03-18 11:34AM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

I think Obama's confession today that he heard his pastor using controversial remarks during his sermons, directly contradicts what he told reporters the other day. Can someone find a transcript of his statement to reporters the other day, as this would surely show of his dishonesty with Americans.

by steve468 2008-03-18 09:45AM | 0 recs
Yep, contridiction - transcript & vids

I realized the contradiction as well. Obama said in his interview with Fox that if he had heard these kinds of statements that he would have quit the church. Here is a snip from the interview Obama did with Fox News on Friday.


GARRETT: Sir, would you have -- would you have quit the church had you heard them personally?

OBAMA: You know, I guess -- ...

GARRETT: So, quick yes or no. If had you heard them in person you would have quit?

OBAMA: If I had heard them repeated, I would have quit...If I thought that that was the repeated tenor of the church, then I wouldn't feel comfortable there.

OBAMA: ...I didn't know about all of these statements. I knew about one or two statements that had been made. And, as a consequence, as I said, if it was just a function of one or two statements, then that's not something that would lead me to distance myself from either my church or my pastor.

Full transcript | Fox Video | MSNBC Video

by grlpatriot 2008-03-18 10:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Yep, contridiction - transcript & vids

The key here is #1 Yeah I guess is not an unequivocal yes, and #2 were the statements repeated, and thusly the repeated tenor of the sermons.  I would guess that he would say NO the repeated tenor was not this way and therefore there is no inherent contradiction, only the appearance of one.

Finally, are you going to condemn everyone that agreed to listen to Pat Robertson when he said that 911 was the Gays, the liberals, the leftists fault?

Most preachers are generally off the hinge when it comes to rhetoric, usually to provoke a reaction.  Yet people still attend these churches.  Are all of those people now unfit to become president?  This sort of McCarthy style guilt by association doesn't sit well with me.  A person can reasonable disagree with some of the message in church yet attend for 20 years.

I disagree with most messages you will get at ANY church, but I can understand how you will continue to go, even when extravagant, unsustainable claims are made in these churches.  That is in the realm of belief, but not fact.

So Wright said a couple inflammatory remarks that Obama repudiates, what difference does it make in the long run.  The man could still be a good man overall, and you will never know it because all you can remember is one or another remark that was made.

Call me when those remarks lead to action, THAT is when they are important.  If someone is pushing for a riot, or bigotry and lynching..

Call me..

When someone is lying and causing harm..

Call me..

But when someone flies off the handle and speaks from too much emotion leading to statements they would rather not have said (even if the underlying feelings were based in reality) don't call, I don't want to hear it.  It's just a load of hot steam and the outrage is as preposterous as the offending comment.

by Why Not 2008-03-18 11:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Yep, contridiction

Did a candidate for President sit in Pat Robertson's pews for 20 years? Wright can say whatever the hell he wants. But, a candidate for President cannot be a 20 year vessel for vile hate speech.

by grlpatriot 2008-03-18 01:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Yep, contridiction

We have a Republican candidate who has CRAWLED ON HIS HANDS AND KNEES to get the endorsement of two of the most savage bigots in America, John Hagee and Rod Parsley, so I don't think I'm going to listen to any Republican talking points about Obama's "extremism".

by Yosef 52 2008-03-18 01:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Yep, contridiction

Which is why it is important to note that Obama has repudiated any and all of that offensive content.  He has Denounced and rejected (or whatever stupid term you want to use)the comments.

What part of, Rev. Wright does not speak for Obama do you not understand?

He cannot speak for Obama any more than you or I can.

So no, Obama is not the "Vessel" for hate speach.  So get over yourself, and your high horse (which under this intense of scrutiny would probably bring something like this up,  I am sure you, somone related to you, be it in your family or a freinds or relations have uttered innapropriate things at times) is probably not all that high.  And face the realities of the situation.  No one is perfect and to expect somone (and everyone around them, in their community, or church) to be is to expect dissapointment.

The best thing any of us can do right now is reject this argument (and all personal level attacks) and try to stay with the issues that are important to the people.  If the debate cannot be won there, then bow out gracefully.

There should at least be an appearance of civility left in the party left if we (to quote Jon Stewart) "Stop Hurting America" and start tying ways to heal the deep divisions that plague the party and country.

This is not to say that there should not be a healthy debate, but it should be on the topics of importance.  Not what other people do in a church that one or another candidate attends.

It is imperative that the urgent problems of this country be addressed, not semifactual references to the career of a preacher that was extereme at times.  People get extreme at times, it happens to people every day.  Maybe we should try to be a little understanding when this happens and not make things worse or fan the flames.

There is too much hate in this country and more hating won't get rid of it.

by Why Not 2008-03-18 10:59PM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

He lied, pure an simple. First he didn't know about these remarks, now he was in the pew for some remarks. Not gonna fly.
Too bad he could not have picked Bill Cosby as his mentor. Cosby at least makes sense- read "Come on, People." Quit feeling sorry for yourself and blaming everbody and the government for your problems. DO SOMETHING about the problems!

Oops, soory, that would require that you ACT on your words.

by ProudMilitaryMom 2008-03-18 10:08AM | 0 recs
I don't think Obama had to walk out

People have a right to their beliefs, even if the beliefs are objectionable to others.

But if Obama failed to walk out on the inflammatory and anti-American statements, then he should have accepted the fact that he can't run for president and expect to win.

The problem is the hypocrisy.

by Montague 2008-03-18 10:35AM | 0 recs
Why Hillary Should be President!

This is why I believe Obama is now unelectable.  He will never survive the GE.

Hillary can still win this, no matter what Obama supporters and the MSM want us to believe.  She can win the pledged delegates still, but she needs to win by large, but possible margins.  The Wright disaster is exactly what can push her over the top and retake the delegate lead.  This and MONEY.  She is already up by 12 points in PA, let's now give her the funds to increase the lead to 20 and beyond.  With this story and a few more 3am phone call ads in PA, we will win back the White House!  I just donated $25.

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by Scope441 2008-03-18 10:49AM | 0 recs
Wow, MyDD Echoing Bill Kristol's Lies

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/17/kris tol-issues-a-correction-i-regret-the-err or/

Please take a step back and realize that you're smearing Obama with lies that even Kristol had to backtrack on.

Susanhu, universal, alegre, susanhu.  That's a heck of a stable of obama-hate on the recc list.  Get used to him; he's your next president.

by steampunkx 2008-03-18 10:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Wow, MyDD Echoing Bill Kristol's Lies

It was on MSNBC and attributed to Wright. Watch the video.

by owl06 2008-03-18 12:09PM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

I'm sorry but the idea that you can call rev. Wright a racist based on these videos is absolutely absurd. There are white people who go to the church! Wright's comments about AIDS being created by the U.S. gov't. are plain wrong and crazy.  When he says god damn america, it's pretty offensive, but it's not racist.

by hnic357 2008-03-18 11:08AM | 0 recs
Here's another one for you.

If you want to talk offensive, try explaining you trying to hide a pro-Clinton diary. You're a real champion of free speech, huh?

by Soitgoes 2008-03-27 01:46PM | 0 recs
I've listened to WHOLE episodes of Rush Limbaugh

Sometimes, you sit and listen.  Does it mean you agree with everything?

by Richard Woodcock II 2008-03-18 11:18AM | 0 recs
you can't possibly believe your own post

am I right?  Because a personal relationship of 20 years with a guy married you and your wife, baptized your children, titles your bestselling book, heads the church where your children attend Sunday school, and gives life-changing spiritual advice (brought me to Jesus) is not even in the ballpark of listening to a stranger's voice (Limbaugh) on a radio whose beliefs (Republican wingnuttery) are diametrically opposed to one's own worldview. (liberal fact-based reality)

by diplomatic 2008-03-18 11:24AM | 0 recs
You've never had a friend

unless you agreed with everything that person ever said?

You know, I listen to Rush (hell at this point we've got a 20 year relationship) because I want to understand what he is saying, why he is saying it and why it seems to influence so many people.  

I think, on balance, unless you have: a) attended this church over the years; and b) share the "black experience" .....that you cannot fairly judge Wright or Obama's relationship with him.

by Richard Woodcock II 2008-03-18 11:48AM | 0 recs
Re: You've never had a friend

yeah, living in GA, I got a few right wing friends. It is not easy just to keep fighting with everyone over offensive beliefs. The only time I threatened to throw someone out of my car was when used the word 'nigger' in casual conversation. But a lot of the time, you just listen, say something back, but you don't start over and find new friends and relatives.

by Pravin 2008-03-18 12:45PM | 0 recs
seriously .....

I've shared those experiences and managed not to commit homicide.

IN fact, like BO's grandma, I've had members of my own family say some stupid, racist crap.  Do I hate them? Do I disown them?  Nope.  I just try to show them a different point of view.

Couldn't BO feel the same way about Wright?

by Richard Woodcock II 2008-03-18 01:45PM | 0 recs
Re: seriously .....

Wright isn't a family member. He was pastor of a church that Obama elected to go to. You can't pick your family.

by owl06 2008-03-18 02:15PM | 0 recs
Re: seriously .....

Wright is like a teacher. If you had an association with a teacher for decades, you just dont throw him under the bus unless he was overall a wretched person. Sure, he has crossed the line a few times. But some of the exceprts they played like "Goddamn America" are very understandable expressions from a guy prone to excited hyperbole as part of his speech and who had gone through a lot of racism in the 50s and 60s.

by Pravin 2008-03-18 08:29PM | 0 recs
Re: I've listened to WHOLE episodes of Rush

...It DOES when your candidate is lost and desperate. This is the last branch that was offered to a campaign mired in PENN-sand, and Obama just snapped it.

by a gunslinger 2008-03-18 11:24AM | 0 recs
wishful thinking .....

Hillary wishes she could have given that speech.  But alas, she can't.  She can only raise and repeat random snippets from Rev. Wright's sermons, hoping to incite and play upon some racial bias it might incite for her own temporary political gain.

BO, on the other hand, proved he can grapple with this touchiest of issues (which was forced on him) and not only explain the complexities and nuances of the problem, but make you feel good about his ability to, once again, bridge gaps and make meaningful progress on the issue.

Dude, I say well done.

by Richard Woodcock II 2008-03-18 11:51AM | 0 recs
Re: wishful thinking .....

I think she's been quietly classy about this whole god-damn thing, myself.

Can you provide a snippet of her commentary about Mr. Obama's lack of judgment in maintaining a 20 year relationship with person?

by Si Ella Puede 2008-03-18 01:05PM | 0 recs
quite classy

it was classy how she suggested that neither race nor religion should play a part in this election......no, wait, she didn't do that.

it was classy how she suggested that attacking BO by inferring he shares beliefs that he has publicly disavowed isn't fair .....wait, that wasn't her, either.

maybe it was classy when she suggested that only she and McCain have sufficient foreign policy experience to be CIC when both she and McCain have been wrong on virtually every foreign policy decision since 9/11?  .....doh, not her either.

maybe it would be classy to acknowledge that if a little known governor from Arkansas was competent to be CIC, maybe a senator from Chicago might be as well.....still waiting.

by Richard Woodcock II 2008-03-18 01:42PM | 0 recs
Re: I've listened to WHOLE episodes of Rush

Really? My gorge rises just at the sound of his voice. Seriously, life is too short to spend any of it listening to that gasbag.

by itsthemedia 2008-03-18 02:47PM | 0 recs
Re: He Still Hasnt Walked Out

So what is it? Do you think Obama is here to usher in an age of black separatism? Do you think he believes that the government created AIDS? Has he made any comment that would suggest he believes that  God should damn America?

It's hilarious to watch Hillary supporters descend into madness. You were once somewhat reasonable on this blog. Now you're spewing crap like this, and perpetuating the "Muslim" meme. At least you'll have to stop that now.

by amiches 2008-03-18 11:38AM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

On the pastor. While I don't condone what he said. But he was a Vietnam veteran, you have to know, a lot who came out of, affected them.

He has served his time in duty and he has a right to say what he did. Don't mean it's right but I understand why he was ranting.

by ListenNOW 2008-03-18 12:03PM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

I agree.  I'm not nearly so appalled by him or his commentary as some seem to be.  Freedom of speech and all that. Plus he was correct on a number of points. Nonetheless, I do think it's a possible death knell for Obama's chance in the GE, because someone who wants to be prez has to toe a careful line of eschewing any kind of radical punditry.  (Or pulpitry, as the case may be.)

by Montague 2008-03-18 12:13PM | 0 recs
Here's I felt

Obama gave a national speech to defend himself.  To talk about himself in relation to wright's beliefs.  For the most part I felt as though I was being 'lectured', 'educated'.  I was the one who was ignorant, who stated racists remarks.  Very odd.  Instead of speaking about himself, it was as if he was a professor at a university lecturing students on racism.

Thanks, but no thanks.  I won't have someone is in camp with Wright, with a racist, lecture me on racism.  

by oc 2008-03-18 12:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Here's how I felt

ooops, title correction. Why can't these dang technologies enter what one meant and not what one types!?!

by oc 2008-03-18 12:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Here's I felt

more of the arrogance factor.

by owl06 2008-03-18 12:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Here's I felt

Would you be interested in a discussion instead of a lecture then?  Anger in reaction to Wright's hatred seems the easy path, and in an election, it's really easy.  Maybe you believe Obama believes as Rev. Wright does.  Or maybe you believe he doesn't but you recognize this magnificent political opportunity.  And maybe you believe these black churches, which are suddenly incredibly scary, didn't support the Democratic nominee in every single election of the past few decades.

by niksder 2008-03-18 12:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Here's I felt

A discussion is great, but I do not believe that a person (Obama) who closely associates with a racist (Wright) can lead that discussion.  

I don't like the 'Black Church' statements.  Black Churches are unique from one another, just as white churches are, asian churches are, synagogues are.  I've been to 'Black churches' and I do not think it is right of Obama to lump the churches and all black people together in this way.  He's using it as a shield.  It's his church.  He chose it.

I am offended by Wrights church, Not black churches.  There's no doubt that people of many backgrounds are offended by Wright's church.

by oc 2008-03-18 01:17PM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

Obama seems to like everyone, bigots and anti-bigots, but I think the simple explanation is that he needed the church to make the right connections to further his career. I kind of like it that he likes everybody, except he makes an exception, one so far, and it's Hillary. He blames everything on Hillary and for that reason alone I doubt his judgement.  He has pissed off a lot of women and that's simply stupid. HIe might have run a more inclusive campaign, except many in his base, like Markos, like it too much when he blames her for everything and treats her dismissively .  the unfortunate thing he's shown though is about him, he can lie convincingly and say something else the next day equally convincingly. Maybe this is a good skill for a president, but it's supposed to be a secret.  One would have thought he couldn't tell when he was lying, but no, he can tell, he's just good at it.  

by anna shane 2008-03-18 12:31PM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

He is not the first to have blamed America for 9-11. Even Ron Paul has said this was a case of chickens coming home to roost for all the interference we do outside the US. What I want to know is if he praised AlQuaeda.

by Pravin 2008-03-18 12:42PM | 0 recs
Re: He Still Hasnt Walked Out

just curious? Are some of your best friends black?

by mikelewis68 2008-03-18 01:20PM | 0 recs
Not only did Obama not walk out

Obama put Rev. Wright on a committee. That makes no sense to me.

by soyousay 2008-03-18 01:23PM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

My understand is that the ranting pastor was a vietnam veteran. Firstly he served so he has a right to critzice the country. I doubt if anyone of you did. Secondly he is angry cause he served- put his life on the line, came home and faced racism. He is bitter. It is understandble. Obama said that is a generational thing. He was right.

John McCain's advisor Hagee. His friend and supporter called the Catholics, ''son of whores''.
Unless he denounces, I will work every day till the general to spoil McCain's chances.

by ListenNOW 2008-03-18 01:26PM | 0 recs
Re: We Walked Out - Why Couldn't Obama?

I'm sure Rev Wright served his country well. That being said, ALL Americans have EQUAL rights including the right to speak freely.

BTW, Rev Wright may have the right to say whatever he wants, that doesn't shield him from criticism.

by soyousay 2008-03-18 01:36PM | 0 recs
What a joke.

You're comparing the decision by some pro-Clinton bloggers to walk out of Daily Kos - which incidentally hasn't been anywhere near complete - with a decision to leave someone's church? The church someone got married and had his kids baptized in? You demand someone get up in their pew and shout at the pastor?

Persecution complexes wear very well, obviously, even if we in the real world tend to find them somewhat tattered.

by MBNYC 2008-03-18 02:31PM | 0 recs

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