Hillary for VP or Bust for this Obama Supporter

One reality has become increasingly obvious to me, Hillary MUST be Obama's choice for VP. Many will say it's his choice, and of course they are correct. But this past primary was unique and unprecedented. Never have we had two dynamic people with such widespread support across this great land. Hillary isn't like any other VP nominee in history, she brings 18 million to the table to add with Obama's 18 million. That 36 million coalition would be the biggest in history and McLame wouldn't stand a chance.

VP choices:
Joe Biden - Walking gaff machine, who turns people off, and doesn't bring much support.

K. Sebelius - Not a great speaker, won't tip any swing states in Obama's favor.

Wes Clark - Good man, but again, what support will he bring to the table.

Webb - ugh

Edwards - Been there, done that.

Others - Really, no one will do that much for Obama other than Hillary.

Hillary - Brings 18 million strongwith her. Unites the party, and creates a ticket that would be unstoppable. Flips Ohio/PA/FL from tossups to locks for Barack. Nevada flips to Obama along with New Mexico. Traditionally blue states stay blue.

One last thought. If Obama doesn't pick Hillary, I worry what the ramifications will be. By not picking Hillary he's walking into a minefield, by picking her, it's clear sailing. The GOP clearly wants Hillary no where near the VP spot because she would destroy any of their candidate in the debates, and doesn't allow them to chip at Obama's biggest weaknesses.

DO IT OBAMA! Pick Hillary and let's put an end to the Repug nightmare.

Tags: Barack Obama vp vice president Hillary Clinton choice (all tags)



Re: Hillary for VP or Bust for this Obama Supporte

The party has united without her.  You concerns about that seems to be misplaced.  

by Blue Neponset 2008-06-24 07:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP or Bust for this Obama Supporte

From talking to Hillary supporters, I'm not confident of unity if Hillary doesn't get the VP spot.

by ObamaGurl08 2008-06-24 07:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP or Bust for this Obama Supporte

Really?  You talked to all 18 million of them.

Damn, you guys really suck at trolling.

Check out this user:


Now THAT is good parody trolling

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-06-24 07:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP or Bust for this Obama Supporte

How am I trolling. What's with your nasty attitude? Do you offer anything other than insults, like maybe your thoughts on the best VP choice.

by ObamaGurl08 2008-06-24 07:38AM | 0 recs
Blue - - do you wait to be first into
any pro HRC diary with a snarky comment?
I think you want to stir up ill will!
by kosnomore 2008-06-24 07:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Blue - - do you wait to be first into

No, I am just lucky I guess.  

I want to stir up ill will toward concern trolls such as the diarist.  

by Blue Neponset 2008-06-24 07:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Blue - - do you wait to be first into

why are you always rec.ing diaries by our resident repug troll?

by venician 2008-06-24 07:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Blue - - do you wait to be first into

Surprise! Surprise!

The Following Users Have Recommended This Diary:

by venician 2008-06-24 07:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Blue - - do you wait to be first into

Why do you have a problem with people recommending my diary. What exactly did I do to offend you? Can't we have a discussion.

by ObamaGurl08 2008-06-24 07:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP or Bust for this Obama Supporte

Indeed.  Plus, in most swing states, Hillary is a net negative for undecideds.  

by bosdcla14 2008-06-24 10:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP or Bust for this Obama Supporte

This is a parody troll right?

Like Hillaryismygirl?

if so, weak sauce.

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-06-24 07:12AM | 0 recs
I dispute this line:

"The GOP clearly wants Hillary no where near the VP spot"

Actually I think they very much want to have Hillary on the ticket so they can run against her.  No better way of stiring up the base.

by auboy2006 2008-06-24 07:12AM | 0 recs
Re: I dispute this line:

The GOP base is already stired. Full support from our base trumps the GOP's.

by ObamaGurl08 2008-06-24 07:16AM | 0 recs
There is not much polling

of an Obama/Clinton ticket.  So I'm skeptical of your claim that OH/PA/FL become locks with her on the ticket.  People don't vote for the VP.

Also, 36 million votes won't win anything.  Kerry got 59 million.

Hillary may be the best choice but it isn't the no-brainer you're making it out to be.

by JJE 2008-06-24 07:23AM | 0 recs
Re: There is not much polling

The key swing states this election of FL, OH, PA, NV, and NM all become heavy favorites for Obama with Hillary. We have never really had a VP choice out there like her. Obama can then focus on policy and not uniting the base. Hillary can be the attack dog on McLame too.

by ObamaGurl08 2008-06-24 07:40AM | 0 recs
You can keep saying it

but I'd like to see some actual data supporting your contention that they become heavy favorites.  This is just speculation and a very poor basis for concluding that Clinton is the obvious VP choice.  

Would she bring in more votes than she would cost?  It's an empirical question and unless you have empirical evidence your argument is not very strong.

by JJE 2008-06-24 07:51AM | 0 recs

in fact this ticket is the only one that is REALLY poll-tested (say by the fact that people actually voted for this candidate) and i would agree that v. few people vote for the VP on the ticket (and dont necessarily support one)  but it definitely would unify the party.

by canadian gal 2008-06-24 11:55AM | 0 recs
I'd rather have VA and NC

Thank You.

by parahammer 2008-06-24 07:29AM | 0 recs
Re: I'd rather have VA and NC

Over NV, NM, FL, OH, PA? Sorry but that's a losing strategy. I want the person who gives Obama the best chance to get in office, and that's clearly Hillary.

by ObamaGurl08 2008-06-24 07:36AM | 0 recs

wins those states anyway. VA and NC are icing n the cake except that Clinton does not play well there.

by parahammer 2008-06-24 08:33AM | 0 recs
I can't accept Hillary as the VP.

I'd prefer for Obama to win the Presidency by a landslide;  Hillary on the ticket might be enough of an albatross around his neck to cause him to lose.

Selecting Hillary Clinton for VP would amount to unilateral disarmament against John McCain.

The biggest reason John Kerry lost in 2004 was his vote for the Iraq AUMF.  It was a fatal error, and undermined his arguments about ending the occupation, and undermined his arguments about having better judgement than George Bush.

Clinton is unsuited to be Obama's VP for the same reason that Clinton was unsuited to the Democratic Presidential nomination:  it disarms the Democrats' strongest arguments against McCain, the "supports the Iraq Invasion and Occupation" argument, and the "bad judgement" argument that flows therefrom.

Unless he wants 2008 to turn out as 2004 did, Obama can't put anyone on his ticket who supported the illegal and immoral invasion and occupation of Iraq, unless that person a) realized very early on that they had made a mistake, and 2) vocalized early and often the fact that they had made a mistake, 3) apologized for that mistake, and 4) worked their ass off to reverse that mistake.

And frankly, I'm not certain that even John Edwards' mea culpa -- and his succeeding fight to undo his error -- would be sufficient to overcome his vote for the AUMF.

But absolutely, barring a John Edwards strength, heartfelt mea culpa and request for forgiveness directly from her lips, Hillary Clinton has disqualified herself from the VP slot.

by tbetz 2008-06-24 08:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP or Bust for this Obama Supporte

What every poll I've seen about Clinton as the VP pick show is that she loses as many voters as she gets.  Some Dems come back into the fold.  Other indies and Republicans who say they'd otherwise vote for Obama go for McCain instead.  For both groups, we're talking about a swing of a few percentage points.  

While the claim that Clinton has 18 million voters behind her sounds impressive, if we're being realistic the number of voters who have strong feelings of loyalty is probably on the order of 5 million (just because someone voted for her doesn't mean their support is deep, I've been following these polls since January, btw, and w/o going into a long argument think her base is approx. 5 million strong).

So here's the thing.  The number of voters turning out this November will probably be between  120-130 million.  The voters who turned out for Clinton and Obama, each, constitutes approx. 15% of the electorate.  Can we agree those who voted for Obama won't have any problems supporting him in the general? (that's his base, for these voters the matter isn't complicated).  My hunch is that for roughly 2/3rds of the Clinton supporters a vote for any Democratic ticket won't be that complicated, either (that's approx. where polls are now, btw).

So in one sense it's just a numbers game.  Is it more important for Obama to get the support of this remaining 1/3?  Or for him to have the strongest ticket when it comes to getting the support of indies and even a few crossover Republicans?

Because Indies will make up between 20-30% of voters in the general (ie. 25-36 million).  A 20% swing among indies would basically cancel out the impact of Clinton die-hard loyalists voting for McCain.  The general is just a different ballgame.

Which doesn't mean Clinton wouldn't be a net asset to the ticket (maybe this ticket, done right, would draw more indies), but at this point I'm willing to trust that Obama's campaign will make the right call (since they're the ones who have the real numbers in front of them, and, ultimately, are the ones responsible for making these calls).

As for the whole "Hillary or bust" phenomenon, while this might appear as if it's an argument to put Clinton on the ticket, take a step back and I'd argue it's just the opposite.  This is baggage.  In some general sense, Obama should want as many Dems voting for him as possible (no argument there).  In this specific case, though, if the numbers evened out whom would you rather have supporting you: indies who voted for you because they thought you were the best candidate; or Dems who voted for you because you elevated their favorite to the second spot, don't really like you, and might be similarly fickle in the future?  No other VP pick brings this baggage.

by IncognitoErgoSum 2008-06-24 08:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP or Bust for this Obama Supporte

I wonder (genuinely) whether Hil as VP would bring unity.

The pro-Hil sites are full of posts these days opposing the prospect and asserting that this would be another insult to Hillary &  wouldn't bring their vote.

I don't know if they are sincere, but the possibility must cause concern to any in the Obama camp who were leaning toward the idea.

by wrb 2008-06-24 08:31AM | 0 recs
these kind of diaries
are getting so tiresome.
Hillary is no longer a serious and viable candidate for v.p and if you feel that you can't support Obama -then don't.There are roughly 218 million U.S. adults in this country that can possibly be persuaded if you cannot. But I'll tell you this... histrionics from her supporters aren't going to compel him to choose her.
by april34fff 2008-06-24 10:52AM | 0 recs
He doesn't need her on the ticket.

Anyone who thinks he does hasn't been paying attention:

From Real Clear Politics:
Obama 317
McCain 221

From Five Thirty Eight:

From electoral-vote.com:
Obama 317   McCain 194   Ties 27

by spunkmeyer 2008-06-24 10:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary for VP or Bust for this Obama Supporte

I think she is bettered served in the Senate or if she ran for NY governor.  She will be a favorite in 8 years, unless Obama's VP is a younger Politician, Schweitzer style.  Most of the names thrown out, other than Edwards, either wouldn't beat her in the primaries OR will probably not run.

by yitbos96bb 2008-06-24 01:51PM | 0 recs
Tips & Rec'd

I totally agree.

Hillary or bust!!!

If he DOESN'T pick Hillary - he's got alotta 'splainin' to do....

to all her supporters especially....


He can't possibly speak of unity and then pick someone else especially when she walks into the convention about 100-150 pledged delegates short of him and MORE votes than him.

It's not about HIM.

It's suppose to be about WINNING.

by nikkid 2008-06-24 06:36PM | 0 recs


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