Texas Caucus Fraud - Where's the evidence (and possibly GBCW if I get banned for this)?
by nklein, Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:00:42 AM EDT
First, why did I keep quiet? I followed the campaign's guidance to resolve these issues behind closed doors. There were a few elements of this: the campaign's first concern was make as many corrections to the delegate count as possible within TDP rules, in TDP offices. Once the deed was done, an orderly audit benefited our side, and pushing these charges in the press would have created a circus (a la Florida) that would have shut down the process of verifying sign in sheets and delegate calculations.
Second, why no reporting? Because the press did not seek to investigate this, even though the Clinton campaign published the linked press release that we had evidence of widespread illegalities. I called a reporter from the El Paso Times who did not return my call. Also, this did not get pushed in the press after the initial press release because the TX Hillary campaign chose to trust the process and grind out the delegate count. Since the TDP is run by people who support both campaigns, there would have been a serious lose of face to air these charges, and would have strained the professional relationships between all in the campaigns and in the party. In the specific case of El Paso, I am told Chair Danny Anchondo did not want to humiliate leading Obama-supporting Democrats who he will have to live with for years to come.
Third, how did a minority faction override the majority? In the end, they did not. We had the best field operation I have ever seen, and in most cases, had a few trained people in each precinct. I should add, our organization was so overwhelming, the Obama campaign abandoned their precinct captain program about a week before the election, placing their bets on an election-day blitz by out of state organizers. We were also transparent, and included people with ties to the Obama campaign in our caucus training program. We knew that an orderly process favored Hillary. We would not have known about Mrs. A's precinct if we did not have trained people in the room. So, we were able to over-turn problems like Mrs A's precinct after the fact. How did the Obama organizers seize the convention in the first place? By intimidation, by physically controlling the legal documents, and by ignoring the legal process that called for an election of officers. They took the convention package and never let go of it.
That is the update that PacificJohn provides to my questions about his/her diary specifically addressing the holes in his/her story. I began this as a comment, but I could not contain my thoughts to appropriate comment-length, b/c I'm so outraged at the popularity of a diary so bereft of logic and evidence.
Massive fraud of the type that PacificJohn describes is something that you can't push under the rug. There were live reports from caucuses all across Texas. I understand PacificJohn may have been busy and missed those, but they were broadcasting. I'm sure print reporters were all over the state as well. They all apparently missed this. A document in this comment by alegre claims that over four thousand people called the Hillary Clinton's campaign, but nobody called the press.
The update says a reporter from El Paso's newspaper blew PacificJohn off. No, duh, b/c there is no story there. The evidence she/he provides in his/her diary is not proof of anything. It's hearsay. He/she tells us about a conversation he/she had with a person in another precinct. There's no evidence of this. I mean He/she doesn't even name the precinct. How am I supposed to believe an anonymous blogger who won't give me any information to verify his/her claims?
Let's leave the press alone for a second. Where are the police? I know they were at caucuses (at least one). B/c ProudMilitaryMom was kind enough to post a video of one. If you watch the video you will notice them prominently near the convention chair in the center of what looks like a basketball court. She posted this as proof of said illegal and/or unethical activity. First, why didn't the police stop it? Second, why has this video not become a rallying point for you to demonstrate your point. I can't answer the first one, but I can answer the second. B/c it doesn't show any illegal or unethical activity. I'm sure this was not the only caucus with cops. Why didn't they arrest, detain or otherwise prevent illegal activity that PacificJohn claims? If these people were so coordinated and so violent and thug-like, why weren't there massive arrests around Texas?
Why has the TX AG not proceeded with criminal investigations? (If they have please provide evidence). PacificJohn said the TDP (with the Clinton campaign's acquiesance) is trying to sweep any alleged fraud under the rug in order to save face as long as the delegates are awarded fairly. But I doubt that the Republican TX AG would be so accomadating. Especially in an election year with a Senate seat that Dems are making a real run at. You don't think that he/she would love to paint the Democrats as corrupt b/c one of the presidential candidates is conducting massive fraud? Even if there's no case there we've seen the Republicans go after Democrats for less. Look what they did to Gov. Siegelman. Why is he/she not investigating? This is massive criminal fraud you're talking about. A massive fraud can be conducted in a presidential nomination process and the AG doesn't hear about it. Earlier, I cited a document posted by alegre with thousands of calls to the Clinton campaign. PacificJohn wants you to believe that noone called the Secretary of State, the state Elections board, the Texas Rangers, the local police or the TX AG.
No, I'm sorry I'm going to have to call bullshit on all of that. It doesn't make ANY SENSE. It's just not logical. The world does not work that way. Fraud in caucuses are open for the public to see. It would be obvious to everbody and not possible to hush up with investigative powers of both Fourth Estate and the Republican officials of the state of Texas going after it.
Your entire diary is all conjecture. There are no facts. There are no numbers. There are no locations. No names given. No way to verify anything that you say. Merely the word of an anonymous blogger with hearsay evidence. He/she could be Sean Hannity mascarading as a Democratic blogger trying to stir up shit for all I know (he/she's probably not). Why doesn't he/she provide the basic facts, like what precinct he/she was talking about and in what precinct were he/she was working?
The fact that this is being rec'd and that you are getting mojo is sad. And I know I might get TR'd for saying that, but it's true. There are no facts here. There is no evidence. And yet people praising this diary beyond belief as if it's exposing some deep, dark secret. There were a couple of diaries up the other day about WVWV. With the WVWV, many of the same people who are praising this diary were hammering that diary. They were outraged that somebody would malign a progressive organization that has been working to register voters since 2003 with very little evidence. That diary had press reports. That diary had a press release from the NC AG. That diary had an audio recording.
Just the other day there was a big story on Dailykos about Mickey Kantor supposedly maligning Indianans with expletives and racial epithets. That diary had a video and a transcript. It appears that the veracity of both those stories are in doubt know due to the good reporting of Ben Smith of Politico. And yet PacificJohn's story with no press reports, no press release from either law enforcement or other official objective sources, no audio recording, no video recording, no transcript, is being praised by lions and lionesses of this blog.
That is pathetic. That is the demonstration that all who swallowed that b.s. hook, line and sinker are only out to malign a progressive candidate who has done amazing things with volunteer recruitment, morale, bringing in new voters and fundraising. Barack Obama has conducted a brilliant campaign and the reason he did so well in caucuses and red states is b/c he COMPETED for them. Hillary had what has been the Dems' GE strategy for years. Win the big states and win the close states. Don't compete anywhere else or else you're wasting your money. That hasn't worked in the thirty years of that ridiculouse strategy's use. The only time it did work is b/c Perot was splitting what would be the majority needed to win the election.
And b/c Barack Obama competed for those states, b/c he cared about involving those Democratic citizens in the selection of the next Democratic nominee, PacificJohn and others assault him. On that thread Obama and his supporters have been called criminals, thugs and other unsavory adjectives. That this blog respects that and allows such baseless slanders against not just a candidate, but the individual volunteers in TX (including The Distillery if he/she was telling the truth) makes it a much different place than the one I joined. Thus this is a call out. I am calling out PacificJohn to provide the evidence or take down his/her diary. I am calling on all the people who rec'd that piece of shit to apologize. And I am calling on Jerome, Todd, Jonathan and other mods to ban that diary and take possible disciplinary action against PacificJohn if he does not provide the evidence.
I do not care if my trusted user status to hide people gets taken away from me for this. I do not care if I get banned for this. I do not care if Jerome comes over to my house and tries to kick my ass. I will not stand idly by while a person with nothing to offer tries to malign myself and my fellow Obama supporters and my candidate with unsubstantiated rumors. This is supposed to be a DEMOCRATIC blog.