How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

Someone sent me this link from Feb, 2008:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/ 2008/02/obama-clinton-s.html

Back in Feb, Obama paid $694,000 to SD's campaigns vs. Hillary's payments to SD'S campaigns of $195,000.

The article points out that 40% of elected officials who endorsed Obama received contributions from him. In contract, only 12% of the SD's that endorsed Clinton received money for their campaigns.

The article points out that making political contributions to Super Delegates campaign is legal, but it shows how SD's can be influenced to make their decisions based on these contributions.

As democrats, this should raise a concern as to the entire Super Delegate process.  If their votes can be purchased, then this by it's very nature would appear undemocratic.

I would be very curious what supporters of either Obama or Clinton think about this and if anyone has any updated information on contributions paid.

Tags: Candidates, clinton, contributions, Democrats, Election, nomination, obama, Super Delegates (all tags)

Comments

75 Comments

Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

Why don't you look it up?  opensecrets.org has full information about campaign contributions. Then come back and report.  Otherwise, this is unsubstantiated nonsense.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-15 06:43PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

This smear is hilarious - it claims that they've been bribed, but acknowleges that Hillary Clinton donates to superdelgates too.  Just less.

She's not innocent, she's cheap.

by Agent77 2008-05-15 08:00PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

You're WAY too sane to be posting here.

by DeskHack 2008-05-15 08:14PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

She's broke. What is she going to give them? Spunk lessons?

by Rationalisto 2008-05-15 10:10PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

Maybe one of her "cajones" depending on how many Carville thinks she has.

by Massadonious 2008-05-16 03:17AM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

Rationalisto, you said:

"She's broke. What is she going to give them? Spunk lessons?"

So I'm going to ask:

Pardon this old woman but what are "Spunk lessons"?

Yes I'm asking. Seriously.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-16 07:27PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

I'm waiting.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-16 07:27PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

Sorry to keep you waiting.

Spunk lessons--as in Mary Tyler Moore, she's got spunk. Etc.

But if you really need me to spell it out for you, then here it goes: The only thing Clinton has going for her is her stubbornness/tenacity--as there's no money, math, or momentum.

I was being kind and calling it "spunk".

by Rationalisto 2008-05-17 09:07AM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

Thank you.

I asked because on the internet the term has ALOT of meanings.

You might want to take a moment to look them up.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-17 08:48PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

Key passage from your article: "...going back to 2005."  You know, when neither candidate realized that they would have to rely on superdelegates, and before they may have even considered the 2008 presidential campaign.

Democratic politicians give money to other Democratic politicians in order to strengthen the party.  This is a good thing.  It helps us win.

by rfahey22 2008-05-15 06:46PM | 0 recs
Clinton has been paying her SD's

For many years. How many of her supporters got their first major positions within the party during the Clinton administration?

by highgrade 2008-05-15 06:47PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

Considering that Obama has the money and Clinton is in debt, I would suspect that the Obama campaign is paying many of them off for their support, since it is the only way he can win the nomination.

by steve468 2008-05-15 06:49PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

Huh?  

by politicsmatters 2008-05-15 06:51PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

Who is this guy??

by hootie4170 2008-05-15 07:13PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

Google his business name.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-15 07:25PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

How does he reply to all those comments to his diaries??

by hootie4170 2008-05-15 07:41PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

You should ask that "Obama expert" you were touting a while back.

by rfahey22 2008-05-15 06:51PM | 0 recs
Oh my

I had forgotten about that, the guy who you were talking to has no credibility, an Obama Expert, I wonder if they offer a PhD in that or only a Masters.

To channel Chris Matthews:

HAWH!

by Student Guy 2008-05-15 07:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh my

Well, I think our friend currently has a rec'd diary.  Be very afraid.  I think he only has an undergrad degree in Obamology.  And it was a correspondence course!

by rfahey22 2008-05-15 07:07PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

That's idiotic.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-15 07:16PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

Troll-rated for hackery. Just b/c a Democrat gives another Democrat a CAMPAIGN contribution (you make it sound like Obama gave each of these SD's ilicit bags of cash for their own personal use) does not mean he or she "bought them off".

by Deano963 2008-05-15 07:30PM | 0 recs
You don't even know...

...if that money was even donated to campaigns.  It might have been used to buy fruit baskets and muffin trays and high priced cheeses.

I'm telling you.  The way to a super delegate's heart is through their stomach.

How many boxes of fine designer chocolates would it take to buy YOUR vote I wonder?

by DawnG 2008-05-15 07:35PM | 0 recs
3.42

Any more or less is an insult to my family line!

by Lost Thought 2008-05-15 07:36PM | 0 recs
Re: 3.42

Deal! But leave the caramels.  I love the caramels.  You can have the ones with the coconut and nasty creme centers.

by DawnG 2008-05-15 07:38PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

Flat out lie.

by fogiv 2008-05-15 07:42PM | 0 recs
edwards' campaign debt, for example

or donor's lists for NARAL and others, or outright campaign contributions. Its part of how they control the outcome of this contest.  

by 4justice 2008-05-15 09:38PM | 0 recs
Most members of congress have PAC's.

The difference with Barack's is the amount of money he has been able to raise and the consistency of it over the past three years.

Here is a link for you: http://hopefundamerica.com/aboutus/

The point of this PAC has always been to help elect fellow Democrats.

by The Distillery 2008-05-15 06:49PM | 0 recs
So Hillary was outmaneuvered.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 06:56PM | 0 recs
Re: So Hillary was outmaneuvered.

No, Al, you miss the point.  The point is that Clinton demonstrated virtue and values back in '06, when she shared precious little of her senate campaign warchest with other Democrats.

And now, she's demonstrating Democratic values by having a campaign that's deeply in debt, owes more than $11M, much of it to small businesses that have delivered services to her campaign, and has self-funded her candidacy with more than $10M of her own money.  That's what we need in a nominee!  Not some Johnny Come Lately who raises more than he can spend and shares it with other Democratic candidates.

by deminva 2008-05-15 07:14PM | 0 recs
Re: So Hillary was outmaneuvered.

Sounds like you would've liked Romney--self funding and all.

by poserM 2008-05-15 07:27PM | 0 recs
that was about the only honorable thing

that tool ever did.

by JJE 2008-05-15 07:38PM | 0 recs
Re: So Hillary was outmaneuvered.

sarcasm sensor needs a tune up.

by demondeac 2008-05-15 07:44PM | 0 recs
Re: So Hillary was outmaneuvered.

Double snap.

by Rationalisto 2008-05-15 10:12PM | 0 recs
Re: So Hillary was outmaneuvered.

Thanks for covering my back.  I thought my irony was so broad, and my claims so absurd on their face, that no one would mistake my meaning.  Strange days here at MyDD!

by deminva 2008-05-16 06:26AM | 0 recs
precious little?

I remember reading an article that said she had raised over a hundred million dollars for that "senate campaign warchest".

what are you smoking?  Clinton's problem isn't the ammount of money she's raised, it's how she SPENDS it.  That has always been her biggest problem.  She spends money like she'll never need more.

by DawnG 2008-05-15 07:36PM | 0 recs
Re: precious little?

"shared precious little"

by interestedbystander 2008-05-15 10:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Most members of congress have PAC's.

to the likes of Joe Lieberman, over Lamont, who's going to the republican convention to give a speech against the democrats -  

by suzieg 2008-05-15 10:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Most members of congress have PAC's.

Lieberman is Obama's appointed mentor in the Senate.  They have a complicated relationship.  I'm sure Lieberman's endorsement of McCain has only further complicated that.

by The Distillery 2008-05-16 01:15AM | 0 recs
Giving money to help get democrats

elected is a bad thing?

by Student Guy 2008-05-15 06:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Giving money to help get democrats

Only when they aren't DLC hacks.

/snark

by ProgressiveDL 2008-05-15 06:59PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

The question is, why has Hillary been so freaking stingy with her money??  We are trying to build a party here.

by map 2008-05-15 06:51PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

Someone has to pay for all those yellow pantsuits.

by mydoubleds 2008-05-15 06:58PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

Lovely plumage, the Chappaquiddick Yellow!

by deminva 2008-05-15 07:15PM | 0 recs
This what I was wondering

and someone reminded me, they're entire plan was based on a decisive, overwhelming Super Tuesday win.  they didn't hedge, they laid it all on the line.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 06:59PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

Hey, she had to spend $36 million in order to defeat Tasini by 36 points (how about that!).  There wasn't enough to go around.

by rfahey22 2008-05-15 07:00PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

They thought that would scare off opponents, all part of the inevitability strategy.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-15 07:06PM | 0 recs
Exactly

Very true.  When you look at how badly run her NY campaign was and how much money they spent unecessarily, her current primary campaign makes a lot more sense.

by map 2008-05-15 07:07PM | 0 recs
alot of that was 2008 related

they used alot of that to build databases they could use for the 2008 campaign.

Also alot of those commericials weren't aimed at New York per say, but shared media markets in PA, NJ, CT, even Florida (for example, Florida tranplants who watch the Yankees and Mets via satellite or cable, received Hillary commericials).

which is perfectly fine.  

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 07:18PM | 0 recs
Re: alot of that was 2008 related

Interesting.  But, would that really be effective years away from the presidential race?

by rfahey22 2008-05-15 07:20PM | 0 recs
16 months

say mid october 2006 to Feb 5th 2008 - that's less than 16 months.

remember she eventually kept $10 million  and transferred that to her '08 campaign fund.  I guess they thought $10 million is the most they could hold over without raising issues of purposely raising money in one cycle with the intent to pass it to her '08 campaign.  

again, it's a loop hole, but that's cool.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 07:58PM | 0 recs
About HopePAC.

HopePAC, the PAC Obama setup to raise money for Democrats in Congress was extremely successful, as would be expected from his phenomenal fundraising in this election campaign. He was also not connected to it once the Presidential campaign began. The PAC spread the money very widely to get Democrats elected, including giving money to Hillary Clinton for her Senate re-election campaign. So unless you're arguing that working hard to get fellow Democrats elected is a bad idea, then this diary is just a lot of innuendo and bull.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-15 07:05PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

So when super-delegates are coalescing around a candidate, it is because they are being paid off? Please.

by unionfield 2008-05-15 07:09PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

Only those that coalesce around Obama.  There can be no other explanation.  The 100+ supers who endorsed Clinton before Iowa did so because they had carefully studied all the candidates and determined she was the best.

by deminva 2008-05-15 07:17PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

Right, I'm sure that all the SD's that Hillary started with before the primaries had nothing to do with the Clintons calling in IOUs from Bill's/Hill's white house years.

by toyomama 2008-05-15 07:27PM | 0 recs
Hey toyomama, sup?

Long time no see.

by GFORD 2008-05-15 09:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Hey toyomama, sup?

I've been around. I'm trying to behave myself and not contribute to the heightened tensions and animosity as this primary season comes to an end (finally).

by toyomama 2008-05-15 09:12PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

That money was not "payment" you know-nothing ignoramus, they were campaign donations.

There's a world of difference.

by Deano963 2008-05-15 07:12PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

Money is like manure you spread it around to make the little flowers grow?

Paraphrase of Dolly Levi in "Hello Dolly" the movie.

OOOOOOHHHhhhhhhhhhhhh. I see.

So it's not that one candidate is better at say domestic policy it's that one candidate knew how to "grease" palms.

Again.

OOOOOOOHHHHHhhhhhhhhh. I see.

I was confused cause back home the call that bribery.

So in politics that's known as a "free love offering".

OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHhhhhh. :P

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-15 08:07PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

Donating to other Democratic campaigns is bribery.

Ooooook.

And Clinton's also guity of bribery too then...just not as much.

Oh wait, you neglected that part.

Even when you're making up your own reality out of whole cloth, you can't even keep that logically consistent.

by upstate girl 2008-05-15 10:48PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

Upstate, this comment to me or someone else?

I asked because I'm surprised that you'd take the time to even recognize something I had to say. What with me not earning your respect and all. LOL.

Cause, Upstate, if that comment was to me?
I didn't specify either one or the other ducky.

Cause if that comment was to me?
You just took it upon yourself to ASSume that I was taking sides. And then you decided just which side I was taking. :O Yeah. You did. :D

If that comment was to me?
Is there anything else you'd like to ASSume?
Like meebee I'm not a feminist?

I swear UpState. We have just been beside ourself with laughing about how you don't think I'm a feminist. I mean ROFLOBO!!!!!!!! Thank you, sweetie,  We needed that laugh this week. Yes we did. :D

You have a good weekend Upstate. Tell your mama that I have great hope that someday I will earn your respect. What with you being the expert of all things Feminist. :D

Cya.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-16 08:23PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

You appear to be either a Republican troll or a zealot.

Democrats spread the money around.  So do Republicans.

Not new.  Not illegal.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-15 07:18PM | 0 recs
Telling them apart is like trying

to determine the gender of a goldfish.  That's partly because the H44 crowd frequents the republican sites and pilfers their talking points.  They've formed an unhealthy alliance to prevent Obama from getting nominated/elected.

by GFORD 2008-05-15 09:08PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

Obama helps get Democrats elected.

The Clintons?  Eh, not so much.  Just check what happened in 92-00.

by Bobby Obama 2008-05-15 07:19PM | 0 recs
Making the Rec List...

....doesn't mean they're all going to be gems...Cool down there's always tomorrow and many Obama-bashing ideas out there for you.

by hootie4170 2008-05-15 07:19PM | 0 recs
Let's

not be naive.  I want a party leader who has the ability to raise money and who seems to have no problem spreading that money around to get democrats elected.  Someone touched on it in a previous post, I would have thought Clinton would have given even more.  Let's face it, Bill was a walking ATM for the last 8 years.  He could have done 1 day fund raisers in 50 states and raised 25M (500k per state) with 200 person, $2,500 a plate dinners.  

The thing people fail to realize about the Obama fundraising machine.  The longer the race goes the stronger it gets.  

How?

As the donor base grows he becomes less and less dependent on any of individual needing to contribute a large amount.  

example once he gets to 2M, if he can get them to contribute $25.00, that's $50,000,000.

I really was a brilliant strategy.  

by nextgen 2008-05-15 07:32PM | 0 recs
The Real Superdelegate Question

Why is it that elected officials (governors, senators, congresspeople) have provided a majority of their votes to Obama over Clinton? Doesn't this attest to the concept that Obama has a better working relationship with them, which will lead to a REAL working majority after this November? Also, these people who have to actually face the electorate want him at the top of the ticket.  

Furthermore, why is it that unelected, insider, superdelegates support Clinton? Is it possible that they are more ingrained in the status quo? Remember, this election is about the failures of not only Republicans, but also DC insiders. I would say that we should be weary of an insider-backed candidate.  

by irish09 2008-05-15 07:33PM | 0 recs
Re: The Real Superdelegate Question

It always bothered me that the only reason she had more superdelegates than him was because she had more DNC superdelegates.  That lead too is about to be erased.  He's about 5 DNC superdelegates short.  Then she is leading in no category.

by The Distillery 2008-05-15 07:55PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

Indeed, I know one prominent Superdelegate Obama paid off. She's the junior senator from New York.

God, Obama's such a dick, huh?

by ragekage 2008-05-15 08:18PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

Now when she endorses him in a month we'll know why.  That insidious bastard.

by map 2008-05-15 08:53PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

What's up with these smear jobs?

alegre, this dude.

You guys are self combusting before our eyes.

You're taking this reaaaal bad.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-15 08:54PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

Wait until Bloomberg finds out.He could bribe us all.

by Politicalslave 2008-05-15 09:05PM | 0 recs
Re: How much have the Super Delegates been paid?

recommend this diary, lets get this on the wreck list asap

by soros 2008-05-15 09:16PM | 0 recs
I'm a superdelegate

And I got $4.36 from Gravel. In pennies. I reciprocated by endorsing him for the Democratic nomination. The only people to notice was an alternative bi-weekly paper in Nome, AK.

by elrod 2008-05-15 09:30PM | 0 recs
Barack gave me a new Xbox

and I'm not even a super.  It was just for my vote.  I was pissed because I really wanted a Playstation so I voted for Hillary instead.

by JJE 2008-05-15 09:51PM | 0 recs
I personally bribed many supers

by giving them my own 2 cents. Repeatedly. A few are bordering on having enough of my "cents" to buy a cup of coffee by now.

by myddfree 2008-05-15 10:14PM | 0 recs

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