Mad as Hell Protest today at Today - With Pic

Wish I could have made it.  Here is the report from HillaryClintonForum.net

We had about 150 people there. Some got there at 6:30a.m.

Women, men, people of all color. People drove from Philly. Woman took the night bus down
from Boston. People from Texas, some foreigners, the NC contingent and two lovely African
Americans who made the trip in from Connecticut. Eyedoc, front and center. Les33 with the
Bullhorn!!! Freethinker and Murray were interviewed by O'Reilly's producer. The papers were
there taking lots of pics. Hillary speaks for me was there interviewing as well.

Everyone was so thrilled to be there and so enthusiastic. Yelled all during the Today show.
Lots of police to keep us away and then they wouldn't let us use the bullhorn b/c Today show
was still going on. Funny how they moved their stuff way down to the other end and kept the
Singers on well past the TV time. Trying to shut us up I think.

Huge Gallery of Pictures here http://web.mac.com/csa4/iWeb/Site/Photos .html

Tags: 2008, Elections, Hillary Clinton, Media Bias, Primaries, protest, Women (all tags)

Comments

132 Comments

Great Job People - Give em Tips

We love every one of you

by NewHampster 2008-04-11 11:21AM | 0 recs
Thanx NewHampster!

Awesome pictures!

For those of us who couldn't make it: if you can afford $5 more, please send Hillary some tips too.

by DemAC 2008-04-11 11:32AM | 0 recs
THIS IS GREAT!

Thank you!

by architek 2008-04-11 11:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Great Job People - Give em Tips

WOW! You are all the greatest! And those signs!! Just great! I am donating AGAIN in your honor!

by rrs11215 2008-04-11 01:04PM | 0 recs
WhoooHoooo

by NewHampster 2008-04-11 01:10PM | 0 recs
Great job, the pics are awesome!
My favorite poster was the one that said, "Hardball needs a tingle up the cerebral cortex." I love that!
by sricki 2008-04-11 02:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Great job, the pics are awesome!

That one caught my eye, too!  It's perfect.

by Montague 2008-04-11 06:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Great Job People - Give em Tips
Gee Bob nice to see that you're suppprting the protesters, but I see an odd disconnect compared to one of your comments yesterday: "What's wrong with Porn? (2.00 / 3) They have to eat too. Give 'em Hill Hillary's Bloggers by NewHampster on Thu Apr 10, 2008
by lion king 2008-04-11 02:54PM | 0 recs
But what is wrong with Porn

I love porn.  I love women. and the name ain't bob

by NewHampster 2008-04-11 03:30PM | 0 recs
Re: But what is wrong with Porn

Interesting.

When the "Hillary Supporters Who Love Porn" protest comes I hope they bring some REALLY BIG "Misogyny is a CRIME (with the exception of the porn industry)" signs. That would go over great with lots of the hard-core feminists, I am sure.

Wow - the mind reels.

by jwolf 2008-04-11 06:21PM | 0 recs
Re: But what is wrong with Porn
Well Gee Whillikers...maybe NewHampster is onto something with the Pro-Porn Platform! Here's pornstar Jenna Jameson on the Clintons:

The Clinton administration was the best years for the adult industry and I wish that Clinton would run again.


I think this could be a real winner across small-town America. They LOVE porn, too! Right?
by jwolf 2008-04-11 06:34PM | 0 recs
Re: But what is wrong with Porn
You'd think feminists on this site would be offended by Bobs professed love of porn! I guess they're FINO's who are only interested in Hillary and not issues effecting other women.
by lion king 2008-04-12 11:02AM | 0 recs
Re: But what is wrong with Porn

FINOS, indeed. I was pretty flabbergasted to see the "What's wrong with porn?" comment, but I think you pretty much nailed it. Pretty stunning.

POIYAHP - Porn's OK If You're A Hillary Supporter

by jwolf 2008-04-12 01:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Great Job People - Give em Tips

Are you kidding???  I was there...it was the SMALLEST demonstration I have ever seen!  A bunch of Hillary signs, a few Obama-Rezko ones (??) and the blast NBC, MSNBC blurbs.  No one was even paying attention to this little group corralled into a fenced in area.  Totally drowned out by Matt Lauer and Meredith Viera.

Or, maybe I was in the wrong place???

by mariannie 2008-04-11 07:24PM | 0 recs
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Love it, awesome!  Thank you so much.  Wish I could have been there. (tears in my eyes)

go hillary

by TexasDarlin 2008-04-11 11:25AM | 0 recs
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Great.  Thanks for sharing the pics!

by markjay 2008-04-11 11:27AM | 0 recs
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Wow.

by amiches 2008-04-11 11:31AM | 0 recs
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AWESOME!

Thanks NH and JoeySkye! Thanks to everyone who participated!

by Nobama 2008-04-11 11:33AM | 0 recs
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M =  Misogyny

S =  Shall

N =  Not

B =  Be

C =  Condoned.

Whoever thought of that.

Thats funny.

by lori 2008-04-11 11:34AM | 0 recs
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I am all for free speech and everything ...but come on really ? I mean seriously  really I think they should really ask themselves what are they really protesting? I am still shocked it was more then 10 people showed up. Is this getting any media covererage is O'reilly going to show this?

by wellinformed 2008-04-11 11:37AM | 0 recs
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Given the battle between Fox and MSNBC I bet he will.

by Obama Independent 2008-04-11 11:40AM | 0 recs
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I mean seriously  really I think they should really ask themselves what are they really protesting?

- err , media bias , msnbc bias .

ya think.

by lori 2008-04-11 11:45AM | 0 recs
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lori, lori. lori,

Hey ya!!!

Don't you think it is a bit disingenuous when some of the supporters of this protest turn around and use MSNBC as a source for their rants against Barack.  Truthfully?

Keep it cordial :)

by hootie4170 2008-04-11 11:54AM | 0 recs
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Howdy Hootie ,

Well if they attacked Obama at the rally then that won't have been fair.

I haven't heard that at all .

I am not really a fan of such protest but I don't fault citizens who are activists for a cause.

And MSNBC is the poster child for what is wrong with the media coverage of this election.

A few of us on this blog had been complaining about that channel since about April last year before anyone was really paying attention , I remember raising hell for the ambush by Russert at the philly debate , some obama supporters were arguing that there was nothing there , but looking back now I don't know how many would disagree now .

by lori 2008-04-11 12:06PM | 0 recs
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Russert is a godawful debate moderator. What you see on display with him isn't a bias against this candidate or that, it is showboating. He has a big ego as a Serious Political Journalist Who Hosts MEET THE PRESS. As such, he's always casting about for that question, that moment, that will be replayed and analyzed for weeks on end and etch itself into the minds of his peers: "Ah, that Russert, he sure got a zinger in!" It doesn't matter who the target is -- provided they are newsworthy otherwise what's the point? That's all fine and well when Russert is in the his role as Serious Political Journalist Who Hosts MEET THE PRESS but is a complete failure in other formats like a debate. What Russert and most of these clowns fail to realize is that a debate isn't about the moderator. That's why it feels like they are constantly and inappropriately injecting themselves into the discourse.

by tessellated 2008-04-11 12:36PM | 0 recs
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From the pictures, I only saw one person that had a "Problematic White Woman" sign.  To be fair, you can't discredit the entire protest because one bad apple wanted to take a dig at Obama.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-04-11 12:14PM | 0 recs
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THE PROBLEMATIC WHITE WOMAN COMMENT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA (WE MADE CLEAR WE WOULD NOT STAND FOR ANY ANTI-OBAMA COMMENTS). THE COMMENT WAS IN REFERENCE TO SOMETHING FOX NEWS ANALYST BILL KRISTOL SAID.

Here's the link:

http://mediamatters.org/items/2008020300 02

by alvic63 2008-04-11 12:22PM | 0 recs
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Ahh thank you for the clarification... no need to yell though... :)

by thatpurplestuff 2008-04-11 12:45PM | 0 recs
one bad apple?
I'd saint she was a golden apple.  What Obama said was highly offensive.  What do you think you all would say if Hillary described someone as a typical black person.  What is worse, he was throwing his grandmother under the bus and comparing her to a man who blames whitey for AIDS.
Please, his grandmother is a hero for raising him and for putting up with his ingratitude.  He thinks he is superior to his grandmother because she is a "typical white women".  
What a completely ridiculous man.
by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-11 12:27PM | 0 recs
Re: one bad apple?
Teresa do you Honestly beleive what your saying
ok take a step back for a minute  clear your head and ask yourself do you think that it could be slighty remotely possible that maybe the "typical white person" remark was taken out of CONTEXT!?!?! just throwing it out there. You seem like a very intelligent and thoughtful person.. I just want to know if in your mind you are even just open to the POSSIBILITY that could have been taken out of context
by wellinformed 2008-04-11 12:44PM | 0 recs
Re: one bad apple?

What do you think you all would say if Hillary described someone as a typical black person.

Well, if Hillary had a black grandmother, and she was speaking of her black grandmother in the same context that Obama was speaking of his white grandmother....nothing much would be said.

Well, the only ones who would harp on it would be the most rabid of the anti-Hillary folks...kinda like how the most rabid of the anti-Obama folks are the ones harping on the matter as it is.

by Kysen 2008-04-11 12:48PM | 0 recs
Re: one bad apple?

Still trying to win at hidden comments today?

by Skaje 2008-04-11 04:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Damn

  I thought the gov't came up with AIDS to get rid of the gays, geez guess I had it all wrong? Hmmm

by artsykr 2008-04-11 07:46PM | 0 recs
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media Bias and msnbc ????
I thought msnbc was part of the media but what do I know   anyway ... I agree Chris Matthews and Keith O are anti Hillary/pro obama  but to say the whole media is Biased against Hillary because she is a woman is a stretch overall I think  its fair its just that one candidate has more bad news that is reported on ? I mean do you really think playing the rev wright clip all day for an entire news cycle is the media's way of telling Obama he is their guy ?  IMO I think that actually made more of a buzz in the MSM than the Tuzla flap if it were Bias you would never had seen the wright sermon clips
by wellinformed 2008-04-11 12:11PM | 0 recs
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I think you are wrong to compare apples with oranges. Tuzla vs. Wright? I don't think so. The media made a huge deal about Hillary's misstatement. Gave it far more play than it deserved. Mr. BO has made numerous misstatments that are virtually ignored. BO's Rev. Wright affiliation is a very serious matter. It should be mentioned daily. There is more coming to light about this affiliation, and it is ignored by the MSM. There is a YouTube video you might want to watch if you doubt the severe media bias and misogyny going on in this campaign: "Mad as Hell/Bitch" Why don't you check it out?

by susanclare 2008-04-11 03:28PM | 0 recs
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susan, I just watched the video.  OMG.  It is something else to see all of those a-holes rambling on in that clip.

no doubt about - they deserve all the shit we can dish out.  

and the comments from the "boys" on this clip - can you say deep seated issues with women in general?

by colebiancardi 2008-04-11 05:37PM | 0 recs
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You're right. There's no comparison. Wright was something his Rev. said years ago. Tuzla was NOT a "misstatement" it was a LIE told recently. If anything the Wright story got more airplay than it deserved.

Why can't Clinton supporters grasp the basic difference between a mistake and a lie? Or the difference between what someone other than the candidate said years ago, and something the candidate herself said weeks ago?

by Mystylplx 2008-04-12 02:01PM | 0 recs
Not O'Reilly perhaps

but Fox Noise was there. Their HQ is a few blocks away.

by MBNYC 2008-04-11 11:48AM | 0 recs
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Thanks guys....love the pictures...especially loved this

M...........Media
S...........SelectS
N...........Nominee
B...........Before
C...........Country..

DOES THAT NOT SAY IT ALL!

by Patriot2008 2008-04-11 11:38AM | 0 recs
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The hardball/tingle sign is great. I'd say on the worst scale though that it should be Matthews in the bottom spot.

by Obama Independent 2008-04-11 11:38AM | 0 recs
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Can't say I agree with your point of view, but good on you for fighting for what you believe. Without activists the world would never change.

by SFValues 2008-04-11 11:41AM | 0 recs
Good for you guys.

This is what America is about, but it looks to me like a bunch of people who "don't really need a president but feel like they need a change."

by Newcomer 2008-04-11 11:42AM | 0 recs
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Thank you!  Awesome pictures!  :)

Our boycott of GE/MSNBC/NBC/NEWSWEEK must have contributed in part to this morning's dismal GE/NBC Q1 earning report.

Uh-oh: GE Blows Q1; NBC U Misses Too

Keep up the boycott, folks!!!

by Hurdy Gurdy 2008-04-11 11:46AM | 0 recs
Would have been much more

meaningful without the nonsense about Dean, Michigan and Florida, frankly. I strongly believe that Democrats need to speak out about unfavorable media narratives - that's absolutely key, in fact.

But the lumping together of various subjects tied together only by the fact that they present a grievance to some Hillary supporters dilutes the impact of this. Perhaps that's why only 150 people showed up in Midtown Manhattan, Hillary's home base.

And of course, this only got picked up by Fox Noise AFAIK, and we all know how deeply they care about Democratic and Progressive agendas.

And before folks go all ballistic, a friend of mine went to this protest.

by MBNYC 2008-04-11 11:46AM | 0 recs
MBNYC says

"don't count the vote".

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-11 12:32PM | 0 recs
Blarp.

Wumpa Wumpa.

by MBNYC 2008-04-11 12:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Would have been much more
150 people is a pretty sad turnout for Manhattan, especially since it is so close to Bill's office and Hillary's HQ...

I'm not surprised that Faux News is the only "news organization" picking this "story" up. Lame.

by power of truth 2008-04-11 02:40PM | 0 recs
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I was wondering if 150 was a typo.  It seems scant for a demonstration that has been blogged about and word of mouthed for the last week, in NYC, Hillary's home base.

by mady 2008-04-11 11:48AM | 0 recs
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yeah you would think all of her supporters in the blogospheres resided in new york.

i am on the blogs and i didn't even know anything about it.

nothing wrong with citizen action , the rest is sour grapes

by lori 2008-04-11 11:52AM | 0 recs
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I'm from NYC.  I've demonstrated in NY many times, for many causes.  This seemed too small a number for any demonstration.  I've been following the threads on this on MyDD for the last week and wondering how many people would go; it seemed there was quite a bit of enthusiasm for it.  I was surprised.  It is a good thing to be demonstrating for and I'm not sure why it wasn't larger.  Obviously something was lacking in how the word was spread.

by mady 2008-04-11 11:56AM | 0 recs
you're just being catty

admit it.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-11 12:33PM | 0 recs
Re: you're just being catty

No, I'm not. Was a feeble attempt at humor I guess.  It feels like silly season to me today, politically.  Like when you are at the end of a big project and have been working overnight for  a few days, and everything suddenly just seems funny and out of whack.  It was not meant to be catty.  This all has been going on for sooooo long and sometimes, with the serious stuff happening in one's own life, it just has a Gilbert and Sullivan feel to it.  I did not mean to offend.  If I did I apologize.

by mady 2008-04-11 12:55PM | 0 recs
Re: you're just being catty

I'm sorry, I thought you were responding to my post below, which WAS a stupid attempt at humor.  No, as I said I am from the city and was just surprised at the small number of people given the support for this on this web site.  I think we NYers and former NYers forget there is a whole country out there and this is not simply going to our city.  Still, media protests like this are good and I would have expected more.  I am an Obama supporter but that does not mean I think the media is does not need to be called out when they act and speak irresponsibly.

by mady 2008-04-11 01:02PM | 0 recs
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150 from a city of millions is pretty underwhelming, especially if some of these folks were bussed in.

Last summer a bunch of us got over 200 people on the lawn of the county courthouse at 9 a.m. to protest the siting of a factory hog farm.  This was in a conservative town of about 4,000 people.

And by the way, the Clinton campaigns decision to appoint Joy Philipi, former president of the National Pork Producers Council - one of the most corrupt industrial agriculture lobbying organizations, as chair of her rural campaign, was one reason this family farmer throw his support to Edwards, and now Obama.

by emptythreatsfarm 2008-04-11 12:39PM | 0 recs
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The most sad picture to me...KeithO, I used to think you were different.

So did I.

by tabbycat in tenn 2008-04-11 11:49AM | 0 recs
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I haven't seen any evidence that Olberman is sexist.  Link?

by mikeinsf 2008-04-11 12:19PM | 0 recs
give it a break
It was a protest about bias. Olberman has been sexist and no evidence would persuade you so why should anyone waste their time? But the protest is about bias too and he has certainly been that.
Olberman is the biggest disappointment because we expect more of him.
by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-11 12:38PM | 0 recs
Re: give it a break

I've learned not to expect rational, civil discourse from you.

You've not disappointed me yet.

by Kysen 2008-04-11 12:55PM | 0 recs
ouch! - eom
by power of truth 2008-04-11 02:43PM | 0 recs
you give it a break

Yes... he has had very strong opinions about Hillary and her tactics in the last month.  To his credit, his bias has been overt.  He has made no attempt to disguise his strong opinions regarding Hillary, or Bush for that matter.  What's wrong with that? Is he not allowed his views?  

As for sexism, your unwillingness to provide a single example probably means what I think it does: Olbermann is sexist because you say he is and therefore that somehow makes it true.  

by mikeinsf 2008-04-11 01:57PM | 0 recs
Olbermann a big Hillary backer

until the kitchen sink.

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-04-11 02:54PM | 0 recs
Re: give it a break
"Olberman has been sexist and no evidence would persuade you so why should anyone waste their time?" Translation : "No, I don't have any evidence of him being sexist, but he has said negative things about Hillary. Close enough for me!"
by jwolf 2008-04-11 06:10PM | 0 recs
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GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU!!1

by nikkid 2008-04-11 11:57AM | 0 recs
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Wow 150 people! Hillary supporters must be Fired Up and Ready to GO!

by feliks 2008-04-11 12:00PM | 0 recs
Hillary supporters have jobs

and lives

by NewHampster 2008-04-11 12:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters have jobs

and Obama supporters have no lives and are jobless?   That's actually quite insulting. I happen to be a blue collar, dunkin donut/beer drinking Obama supporter....

by feliks 2008-04-11 12:15PM | 0 recs
Need to take comment "In Context"

Out of context means you can say just about anything as long as you surround the words with other words less insulting.

Like if someone said that Chelsea was campaigning for her mother, going here, talking to this group.  She's quite the little campaigner.  It just seems that the Clintons are pimping her out.

He didn't mean "a single little thing" by that remark, when taken in context.

by Southern Mouth 2008-04-11 01:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters have jobs

Oh come on.  Given that all the people invested in this protest (which makes a perfectly valid point) have jobs, no one telecomutes, works evenings, can take a few hours off, and so on and so on?  Is really time for this silliness of which candidates supporters are the most down to earth, whose supporters are employed, whose are just lazy n'er-do-wells, etc., to go away, although maybe we could get the polls to be a more amusing read if they broke it down to the n'er-do-well vote, the industrious citizen vote, the latte slacker vote and so on.

by mady 2008-04-11 12:21PM | 0 recs
Re:

such a trollish comment

by sepulvedaj3 2008-04-11 12:13PM | 0 recs
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I am proud to call those who attended fellow Democrats...Your dedication to your candidate is commendable and heart felt.

by hootie4170 2008-04-11 12:02PM | 0 recs
150 is great start, are theremore of these?

if they get publicity it could really grow? I've sent info to some media, including a link to your diary, hope you don't mind, i think this can make news/get bigger. Though today's Obama's "bitter" gaffe should fill the headlines.

by rigsoHC 2008-04-11 12:09PM | 0 recs
Re: 150 is great start, are theremore of these?

bitter gaffe?

by sepulvedaj3 2008-04-11 12:21PM | 0 recs
by rigsoHC 2008-04-11 01:28PM | 0 recs
Didn't look like a gaffe to me.

And it wasn't an anti-Hillary commment.  He was talking about the people he talked to in rural PA and how they were feeling.

But I suppose you'd better organize a protest against him, just in case.

by GFORD 2008-04-11 02:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Didn't look like a gaffe to me.

   You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them...And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.
    And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

It is bigoted shallow patronizing, insulting and just plain dumb.  Seems to me Obama just doesn't like white people unless they are elitists who fall all over him.  
This is not going to play well when I spread it all over every PA blog I can find plus send it to hundreds of PA residents on my email list.

Yeah, all of us who don't live in Philly cling to our guns and religion and are racists.  Is there no end of ways this guy can play the race card?

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-11 02:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Didn't look like a gaffe to me.

Yeah, half white Obama hates whites. Brilliant analysis.  As far as I can tell, you're more than up to playing the race card, Teresa.

by mikeinsf 2008-04-11 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Didn't look like a gaffe to me.
Just got the full quote. He's saying the opposite of what the race-baiting comment from Teresa suggests. He's saying they *aren't* racist in PA. Here's the context, sans McCain and Clinton propaganda talking points. OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it's fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people are most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre...they're misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to `white working-class don't wanna work -- don't wanna vote for the black guy.' That's...there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing. Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism. But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, `Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What is the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is so we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- to close tax loopholes, uh you know uh roll back the tax cuts for the top 1%, Obama's gonna give tax breaks to uh middle-class folks and we're gonna provide healthcare for every American. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing.
by mikeinsf 2008-04-11 04:00PM | 0 recs
what did Obama say?

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-11 12:42PM | 0 recs
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This "disenfranchisement" nonsense has got to stop.

When someone says FL & MI were "disenfranchised", I just can't take anything from that person seriously after that.  The claim is contemptible.  It's an effort to change the rules, after those rules were agreed to months in advance, and to count votes in a bogus election in which one of the candidates wasn't even listed on the ballot.

Do supporters of the "disenfranchised" meme also try to move pawns sideways in chess, then claim discrimination when their opponent calls foul?

I liked Hillary before this.  She was never my first choice, but six months ago I'd have been happy to have her as president.  But I have no respect whatsoever who tries to change the rules after the fact.

The presence of one of those D-word fools in the photos renders the protest completely ineffective, in my opinion.

by MattHucke 2008-04-11 12:15PM | 0 recs
Disenfranchisement: Of Two Minds

She didn't mind 'disenfranchisement' when she thought she'd sweep the other states.  She got religion on the matter precisely the morning after the Iowa caucuses.

by mikeinsf 2008-04-11 12:23PM | 0 recs
FL+MI = 0 delegates

They will not count because Obama will control the convention rules committee. They will be seated,  but they will not make a difference in the outcome.

And Obama didn't stop the re-vote. Clinton doesn't want a re-vote since having FL and MI "undecided" is the only thing she can argue to the SD's. Team Clinton put forth such a ridiculous proposal for re-voting Michigan that it sank any chance of compromise. I would think that counting FL would be fair as long as there was a real re-vote in Michigan, not some charade open only to those that voted before. Clinton has been posturing regarding FL and MI.

by johnnyappleseed 2008-04-11 01:15PM | 0 recs
Re: but, FL & MI were disenfranchised

Exactly how did Obama stop the re-vote?

by mikeinsf 2008-04-11 01:59PM | 0 recs
Re: but, FL & MI were disenfranchised

Again, crickets.

by mikeinsf 2008-04-11 03:53PM | 0 recs
Obama roolz

as promoted by Donna Brazille.  

I love that in your world rules are more important than voters.  That makes you a James Baker democrat as far as I am concerned and I couldn't care less what you think because clearly all you care about is Obama winning.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-11 02:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama roolz

In my world, integrity is more important than voters.

Hillary didn't have a problem with those rules in January; but now, when they're the only way to keep her campaign alive, she suddenly has concern for people who voted in a sham election being "disenfranchised".

I don't like what happened to Michigan and Florida.  I'm no fan of a system that was designed to give New Hampshire and Iowa disproportionate influence - but it's what the candidates all agreed to.  Going back on one's word is a far more grievous error than refusing to treat a bogus election as if it was real, even if the feelings of those who "voted" are hurt.

by MattHucke 2008-04-11 03:06PM | 0 recs
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More photos and video will come soon.  Stay tune.

by JoeySky18 2008-04-11 12:21PM | 0 recs
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I really want to see the video.

by mikeinsf 2008-04-11 12:25PM | 0 recs
I'm not sure about a video Joey

The Os may try to dissect it and count the people.  When they only count 147 there is gonna be hell to pay.

by NewHampster 2008-04-11 12:46PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm not sure about a video Joey

Like I said, I really want to see the video.

by mikeinsf 2008-04-11 02:00PM | 0 recs
ROFL

you can say that again.  Look you got troll rated.  some people need to buy themselves a sense of humor or a thicker skin.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-11 02:04PM | 0 recs
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Loved the pics.  When will the video be up- I am ready for some instant gratification.  Thanks for all the hard work folks.  

by darlamc 2008-04-11 12:38PM | 0 recs
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Oh so excellent!   Great signs too.  Thank you Hillary supporters for going and speaking up.

by LindaSFNM 2008-04-11 12:43PM | 0 recs
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FANTASTIC PICS!  Loved the "Elton meant you Keith".

by LindaSFNM 2008-04-11 12:48PM | 0 recs
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awesome.

methinks though some needs to report pbonefullgrown - he has abused the troll rating on this diary for any BO or HRC supporter that has said anything positive in this diary.

by canadian gal 2008-04-11 12:48PM | 0 recs
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Agreed

by tabbycat in tenn 2008-04-11 01:25PM | 0 recs
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"methinks though some needs to report pbonefullgrown - he has abused the troll rating on this diary for any BO or HRC supporter that has said anything positive in this diary."

Agreed. I noticed the same thing. Total violation of the rules.

by Nobama 2008-04-11 01:52PM | 0 recs
150? Hahahahahaha!

by bobdoleisevil 2008-04-11 12:58PM | 0 recs
Re: 150? Hahahahahaha!

Yep, right?

150 is a joke of a "protest" in NYC.

You can get 150 people to the opening of a beer bottle.

Call us when you get into quadruple digits.

by Priest Valon 2008-04-11 01:13PM | 0 recs
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Hampster, great report and pics!  Thanks so much for posting.  My favorite sign:  "Hardball needs a tingle up the cerebral cortex."  LMAO

Wish I coulda been there.  I was...in spirit.  And I am again now with my wallet, making another contribution to Hillary.

by Caldonia 2008-04-11 01:29PM | 0 recs
Can you explain Hillary's contradictory stance?

Anyone?  Anyone?  Can anyone explain why before Iowa Hillary was content with DNC rules regarding MI and FL, and only started talking 'disenfranchisement' around the NV caucus?  Can anyone explain why Hillary was OK with the campaign being over by Feb. 5, but not tells Indiana that she thinks their votes should count?  Why the new religion? Is it a newfound love of democracy or is it changing the rules of the game when you're losing?  Who can explain the contradiction between her quotes before Jan and after?  Linc?  Alegre? Teresa? Texasdarlin?  No one ever answers this.

by mikeinsf 2008-04-11 02:06PM | 0 recs
Can you explain Obama's contradictory stance?

The answer is called politics. You can get a better detailed answer from Obama who asked for 50% of the delegates in MI after removing his name from the ballot.

You can also say - New kind of politics? Anyone? Anyone?:-)

by Sandeep 2008-04-12 03:08AM | 0 recs
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not "not" .... I meant "now"

by mikeinsf 2008-04-11 02:06PM | 0 recs
Contradicory stance

Yes, isn't it amazing that a politician would change his or her mind to suit his or her purposes? God, that's horrific. Who in the world would think such a thing is possible? Golly gee whiz.

Next thing you know, somebody will be out there saying they're for gay rights--and then they'll have homophobic reverends on their tour!

And maybe they'll say they were never there when their minister said very controversial things in church, then say they were there sometimes...

Or someone might say they're for gun control until they need to win in a gun-toting rural state, and then they say they're for the 2nd amendment!

And they might...just maybe...attack the personal character of their opponent while they express dismay at the level of political discourse!

Or want people to vote for them while they're quoted as saying those people are bitter about their economy and turn to guns and religion and racism to feel better!

Gee willikers, who knows what's going to happen next. Politicians act like typical politicians?!?! Even when they say they're not?!!?

Jeepers, Beav.

by dark1p 2008-04-11 02:37PM | 0 recs
Explain again what the prob is with Olberman?

Where has he engaged in mysognistic/sexist behaviour?

If he has I have missed it.

He is pissed at Hillary for her behaviour these last 6 weeks but so are alot of us who care more about the fall then the primary.  Is that why you are protesting?  He said he didn't like Hillary's campaign tactics?

by FinneganOregon 2008-04-11 02:54PM | 0 recs
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great pics!  I wish I was there.  

thank you for posting this

by colebiancardi 2008-04-11 02:55PM | 0 recs
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Great photos.  I wish I could have been there.  Glad that you guys are standing up against MSNBC and against my disenfranchisement (I'm a Michigander).

by musicpvm 2008-04-11 02:58PM | 0 recs
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Thanks for the post, Hampster. I wish I had been there. Great job everyone!!! Thank you!!! I am inspired. Can we keep this up???

by susanclare 2008-04-11 03:17PM | 0 recs
Congrats and thanks for doing this.

Don't let the trolls in the comments get you down.

by LatinoVoter 2008-04-11 03:22PM | 0 recs
Ubi dubi tas ex flagellate

by NewHampster 2008-04-11 03:32PM | 0 recs
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Love the pictures. Thanks.

by linfar 2008-04-11 03:41PM | 0 recs
The Olbermann signs are great.

I remember when Keith thought that George Bush was the greatest threat to America's future.

That was before he developed his Hillary obsession.

by Ed J 2008-04-11 04:04PM | 0 recs
Re: The Olbermann signs are great.

Keith Olbermann has the best show on cable news.

Don't be angry with him for pointing out the Clinton campaign's inconsistencies.  He's just saying the truth.

by Renie 2008-04-12 10:27AM | 0 recs
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Great job.  I sent MSNBC an email that I was there in spirit.  

by moonheart 2008-04-11 04:18PM | 0 recs
I love to see protests!

It's what we all should do - a lot more of.

I can't recommend, but I would, if I could.

Thank you.

by CoyoteCreek 2008-04-11 04:29PM | 0 recs
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Thank you so much for doing this!  WONDERFUL!!!!
Loved the pictures.................
Thank you !!!!
by jbohio 2008-04-11 05:26PM | 0 recs
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love you guys for this. I am sure you earned a special place in Hill's heart.

by India 2008-04-11 07:28PM | 0 recs
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  Thanks for being out there you guys.

by artsykr 2008-04-11 07:55PM | 0 recs
I'm so jealous!

I wish I could have been there!  

by Radiowalla 2008-04-11 08:06PM | 0 recs
I'm so jealous!

I wish I could have been there!  

by Radiowalla 2008-04-11 08:06PM | 0 recs
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No evidence on Google news. How many people again?

by bookish 2008-04-11 08:55PM | 0 recs
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So FOX gets a pass?  

by daninpa 2008-04-11 09:14PM | 0 recs
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Pass from what? Haven't you heard? To Senator Clinton supporters, Fox is actually Fair and Balanced.

by lizardbox 2008-04-12 03:30AM | 0 recs
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Thank you from those of us who could not be there. It feels so weird to hear Democrats be dismissive of a protest because there was not thousands of people. Regardless of the cause sometimes one person can make a difference. As an AA female Rosa Parks came to mind when she refused to give up her seat.

Do not tell me I am eqauting this protest with the civil rights movement; what I am saying is regardless of how many people partake in a protest it is their right to do so.

This political season has turned conventional wisdom on its head. Democrats are saying and doing things that were thought to be reserved for Republicans. People's views are getting more and more entrenched - against the other candidate.

In my opinion regardless of whether Hillary or Barack wins the nomination, McCain will win the presidency because he will get the votes of the lunch bucket Democrats (aka Reagan Democrats) and other disaffected voters who either think FL and MI should have counted or Barack had more pledged delegates will stay home.

There only needs a few per cent of folks to do that so be prepared.

by LadyEagle 2008-04-12 05:22AM | 0 recs
Wow! What a huge showing!

Really, 150 People in New York City is huge.  The whole city must've been on the brink of a riot.  Did they call in the storm troopers with their rubber pellets and tear gas?  I'm amazed you all survived!

by ScienceTeacher118 2008-04-12 08:39AM | 0 recs
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Lets see.....Barack draws crowds of 20,000 to 40,000. A Clinton 'protest' in a city of millions draws (drumroll).....150!!!!!!!

Where on God's green earth did they put all those people??? My God, traffic around midtown must've been disatrous!!!!  lol

150-how sad.

by april34fff 2008-04-12 10:12AM | 0 recs
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I like how the Obama supporters are looking down the nose at this event.  I think it just goes to show that they are bothered by the fact that people even recognize the free pass given to their candidate.

It should be celebrated by ALL Democrats.  The media has been misconstruing the political scene in America for years, and not to our favor.  Free speech in action, it's a great thing.

Give 'em Hill, guys.  You're doing a great thing, no matter how much people will try to mock you, belittle you, and shout you down for your beliefs.

by hornplayer 2008-04-12 10:25AM | 0 recs
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I wouldn't say that I'm bothered, I just think it's a bit silly and represents people's misplaced anger.

When people throw around the word misogyny and accuse an entire network (which happens to be the only cable news network who has dared to allow someone who leans left to have their own show)of bias against a candidate who has frankly run a bit of a nasty campaign, they detract from real issues of media bias.  None of you had a problem with MSNBC a year ago when everyone was talking about how Hillary had a lock on the nomination.  They all show bias against candidates who are behind.  Ask Dean.  Ask Huckabee.  Ask Giuliani.  Ask Edwards.  If Obama had Hillary's delegate and popular vote deficiencies he would be laughed out of the race right now.  She is being given a level of deference that I have never seen given to a losing candidate before.

I do think that Chris Matthews is an idiot.  I also think that ALL of the "news" organizations have become failures when it comes to delivering important news in an equitable, intelligent, and responsible way.  They failed us when it came to Iraq, and they have failed to go beyond reporting the latest Republican framing of the issues.  If you want to protest that I will stand by your side.

by Renie 2008-04-12 11:06AM | 0 recs
They look down their noses as they've been taught

It is after all what the Obama does best. Literally, he looks down his nose with such contempt for little people that it confounds me how many don't see it.

It's almost masochistic but then his supporters are many of the elite so why wouldn't they play John Kerry and look down on all of us regular people.

by NewHampster 2008-04-12 11:20AM | 0 recs
Re: They look down their noses as they've been tau

What in the hell are you talking about?

I'm a teacher - hardly one of the "elite".  Janitors make more money that I do.  As if that weren't bad enough I spent thousands of dollars of my already meager pay on my students last year.  I frequently work eleven to twelve hour days ON MY FEET and spent my entire summer working in my classroom, getting professional development, and planning for this year.  I work my ass off and sacrifice my personal time and money in the hopes that if I give as much as I can to the low income kids I serve, that maybe, just maybe I'll make a difference and make this country a better place.

STOP USING REPUBLICAN TACTICS TO DIVIDE DEMOCRATS BY CALLING PEOPLE YOU DISAGREE WITH ELITES.

by Renie 2008-04-12 02:11PM | 0 recs
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MSNBC is worse than FOX

At least FOX has the balls to admit they are EVIL

by DTaylor 2008-04-12 12:07PM | 0 recs
I think you mean

MSNBO

by NewHampster 2008-04-12 03:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Mad as Hell Protest today at Today

I think Hillary fans are making a big mistake by attacking Olbermann. He doesn't take kindly to attempted intimidation and may decide to do to her what he's been effectively doing to Bill-O and Bush. In which case you ain't seen nuthin' yet.

But by all means, go for it. It will be more entertaining for me.

by Liberal Avenger 2008-04-12 08:35PM | 0 recs

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