Dunkin' or Starstruck?

Typo. The title should read: Dunkin' Donuts or Starbucks?

This morning I had my usual Honey Dew iced coffee Large for $3.19 including tax.  Yes, NH does have one tax, the Rooms and Meals Tax at 8%.

Most days I make coffee at work, Seattle's Best French Roast ($7.99 lb. and lasts me about a month) but when I get the urge for Iced Coffee I go to Honey Dew.  You see, I drive right by Dunkin' Donuts on the way to Honey Dew and there is always a minimum of 3 cars in line and most days 8 or 10.  Honey Dew is lucky to have 1 car ahead of me.  Besides, NH is cheap and Honey Dew is cheaper than Dunkin'.

Honey Dew is very busy inside at 7:30 but I'm told their busiest time of day is between 5:30 and 6:30 AM.  That is when the working folks drive through on the way to their 7 AM jobs.  Ok, so a few doctors and nurses go to work early too, but I bet they don't stop at Honey Dew.

But the big news in town is the Starbucks being built across the street from one of the other Dunkin's.  Yes my home town is blessed with 6 Dunkin Donut shops and will soon have our very own Starbucks.

Choice - Choices - Choices

Large or Venti, Which do you prefer?

Yes, that's what this race has come down to.  Are you a Starbucks loving Obama follower or a Dunkin' Donuts loving Hillary supporter?

No I know it isn't nearly that simple.  There are plenty of Starbucks drinkers who voted for Hillary and vice versa but you get the idea of where I'm going.

Starbucks, by their very nature, their entire marketing schtick, says I am an elite who likes my coffee to come in Venti rather than Large. I am one who demands that my coffee shop have WIFI so I can blog away the hours while enjoying my Caramel Frappuccino® Blended Coffee, A decadent treat of buttery caramel combined with Starbucks® coffees and milk, blended with ice, topped with whipped cream and a swirl of caramel sauce.  Ahhhh!

Venti for those lacking profiency in Italian, means Twenty.  It does not mean large.  Large means large.  At Starbucks the sizes are Tall 12 oz., Grande 16 oz. and Venti 24 oz. (Venti means 20 but they give you 4 for ice).  I would think a Grande would be large, wouldn't you?

Anyway.  I think the race for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States of America has come down to Starbucks vs Dunkin Donuts, or more specifically the Starbucks loving, Northeast Establishment Press vs the rest of us that make up most of America.

So why the Starbucks loving, Northeast Establishment Press vs the rest of us?  The question that many have asked all these long months.  Why has the press been so consistantly pro-Obama and anti-Clinton?  I don't buy that it's for policy reasons.  I don't buy that it's for the press hates Bill reasons.  I don't believe it's because the press is against a woman president.  I don't think they hate Hillary and I don't buy it's because they fell in love with the Obama rhetoric or the tingly sensation going up their legs.

I think that the press is smarter than many of us give them credit for.

Early on in this race they figured out that it would come down to Starbucks vs Dunkin' Donuts.  The educated, monied elite vs the rest of us.  And guess who watches cable news and pays the Media Giant's bills?

Any smart business person, especially the media, tailor's their message and their content to their most loyal user base.  In the case of cable news, that viewer base is known to be higher income and higher educated than your basic reality show.  In fact, you who are reading this..  How many people do you think turned off American Idol to watch the last debate?  That was one of Idol's highest rated nights.

We who blog, we who watch cable news, we who are engaged in the political process we are the market for cable news and man have they enjoyed our eyes being glued to their channels longer than for OJ.

Follow this Hillary supporter farther.  You know it's true on the blogs.  Far and away the greater number of people on blogs are either in college or graduated from college.  The same people who watch cable news and since we know the blogsphere is like 85% (purely my guess) for Obama then one can assume the viewers of cable are the same.

The Press has been and Is Pro-Obama because their customers are!

Imagine this added little bonus for the press, or actually for the media companies who own the press.

Just imagine it's 2009 and the new President is coming to the Capital for the State of The Union.

Scenario One, President Hillary Clinton:  We'll all be watching.  All the usual bloggers, politically engaged, cable news junkies, including those over 50 women who make up the largest voting block no matter who runs.  The working class white voters who put Hillary there will still be watching American Idol.

Scenario Two, President Barack Obama:  We'll all be watching.  All the usual bloggers, politically engaged, cable news junkies, including those over 50 women who make up the largest voting block no matter who runs.  Plus that huge new class of cable news junkies, the working class African Americans and some of the twenty somethings who put him there.

We're talking a potential TV audience for Obama that is probably 50% larger than Hillary's.  It will be a very good time to be an advertising sales rep for CNN.

Obama is being jammed down the throats of America by the Starbucks loving, Northeast Establishment Press because it is in their best financial interest for him to win.  Period.

Tags: dunkin donuts, Hillary Clinton, obama, president, starbucks (all tags)



Tips for the Media Execs

No actually screw them and just give me a tip.

by NewHampster 2008-05-09 01:36PM | 0 recs

Please enjoy this tip. And wait, what am I for drinking at "The Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf"? A anomalous, Hillary-loving California hippie? ;-)

by atdleft 2008-05-09 01:43PM | 0 recs
I forgot about you Californicators

You weirdos totally ruin any sane projections.

by NewHampster 2008-05-09 01:51PM | 0 recs
Re: I forgot about you Californicators

ah, but we voted for Hilary Will Brown says we think about the issues, and aren't likely to get caught up in fads we don't ourselves start. We're soooo cool and we're sooo for Hillary. Californians think girls can be president and we think experience shows and we like what we see.  So, now are you sorry about mentioning our sexual obsessions?  

by anna shane 2008-05-09 05:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Tips for the Media Execs

She loved it so much she couldn't wait for a seat.

Im not hating on Chelsea, we are the same age and I would never get commercial coffee anywhere else.
I know, I know, we are those damn youth activists elites who go to caucuses wearing birkinstocks.....

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-09 02:10PM | 0 recs
Love the pic

Thank you

by NewHampster 2008-05-09 02:16PM | 0 recs
I heart Chelsea

Isn't she just beautiful and brilliant? She must have some pretty great parents to turn out so well.

by catfish1 2008-05-09 02:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Dunkin' or Starstruck?

The educated, monied elite vs the rest of us.

My lord, are you still doing this routine?

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-05-09 01:37PM | 0 recs
Uh, Yes.

But did you bother to read the entire thing?

by NewHampster 2008-05-09 01:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Uh, Yes.

Sadly, yes.

Let me ask you this. Let's say that someone writes a diary (or a few dozen) that ridicules Clinton supporters for being "poor white trash" and "wretched old ladies"--in other words, taking one of your candidate's strong demographic groups and twisting it into a mean-spirited, hateful insult. How would you like it? Let's not even pretend you would take me seriously ever again once I did that (nor should you).

So do you think that calling us the "monied elite" and making an analogy about overpriced, fancy Starbucks drinks (with foreign size-names, no less!) is any less of an insult? You really seem to thrive on sending out this constant message that "Obama supporters aren't like us. They're different, weak and not 'real' Americans."

And you and so many others here do this constantly to your fellow Democrats simply because we've chosen another candidate. It's utterly shameful.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-05-09 01:56PM | 0 recs
I see no insult

because I am one.  I drink Starbucks too and I am a Northeast, Liberal elitist vice chair of my town democratic committee.

I am one of those elitists who watch cable news and thinks I know it all.  I just also happen to be in a minority of that demographic that believes in Hillary.

by NewHampster 2008-05-09 02:00PM | 0 recs
Re: I see no insult

That's false inoculation. You've never said "certain Obama supporters are monied elites," you've said we ALL are. Remember how rich and out-of-touch we all were for donating a whopping average of $96?

From various things Alegre's written, she too seems to be financially comfortable (good for her). Yet she also constantly attaches a false, derogatory label to all of us in order to marginalize us and demonize us as monied bogeymen.

Class warfare and charges of elitism are great when levied against republicans, the party of naked greed. But it's insulting demagoguery when you're using it to dehumanize other Democrats the same way.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-05-09 02:09PM | 0 recs
I did not say all

in fact I did not say all of anything.  That's just how you in your paranoia read anything that may be slightly against your chosen one.

by NewHampster 2008-05-09 02:18PM | 0 recs
Re: I did not say all

Oh, right, my mistake. I guess it's like this: "Sure, I said Obama supporters are monied elites, but I didn't really mean you specifically--or anyone else who takes umbrage, for that matter. Just the phantom fatcats who dance around in my head."

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-05-09 02:28PM | 0 recs
Re: I did not say all

Bull.  You made yourself perfectly clear.  Don't hide behind the ruse of pretending that just b/c you didn't use the most explicit terms possible, people don't understand your slurs.

Remember, we're the elite.  We see through bullshit excuses like the one you're trying to use now.  Right?

by Lawyerish 2008-05-09 02:36PM | 0 recs
Call ACLU - Elitists Rights!

It's hard out there for the wealthy and the well-connected.

Stop making fun of us! Stop calling us prius drivers!

by catfish1 2008-05-09 02:31PM | 0 recs
You Obama followers are so fragile!

Read the diary before you high jack it!  Or, better yet, just go away if you cannot have a constructive conversation.  

by macmcd 2008-05-09 05:42PM | 0 recs
Re: You Obama followers are so fragile!

Wow, this is a rare day indeed...macmd emerges out of the shadows of his hit-and-run troll-ratings to actually comment!

Of course it's an inane comment as usual, but baby steps are steps nonetheless.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-05-10 09:15AM | 0 recs
I think Starbucks makes

their coffee too strong.  I'm out west where we don't have Dunkin' Donuts but my cousin recommended the coffee.  I bought the beans at Costco (Costco sells both Starbucks and Dunkin' Donuts beans) and she's right, it is better.

One year I bought a couple of friends a quarter pound of Jamaican Blue Mountain beans for Christmas from a coffee importer.  Bought myself a quarter pound too...smoothest coffee you can ever drink.

by GFORD 2008-05-09 02:14PM | 0 recs
Yummy but

there's other Jamaican I prefer

by NewHampster 2008-05-09 02:17PM | 0 recs
Re: I think Starbucks makes

Dunkin, definitely, love Dunkin, old-fashioned American style breakfast coffee.  There are 5 in my town and lines at most of them.  Starbucks tastes acrid to me.

by mady 2008-05-09 06:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Dunkin' or Starstruck?

So many words wasted for no real point.

by rfahey22 2008-05-09 01:40PM | 0 recs
Slice and dice

Let's chop up the demographics a little more.  I don't think single American Indian men are at war with white female lesbians in long-term relationships quite yet.

by Dracomicron 2008-05-09 01:41PM | 0 recs
Oh, wasn't the diary about coffee?

Too bad, I love to talk about favorite coffees.

by GFORD 2008-05-09 02:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Dunkin' or Starstruck?

Is this a spin on "hard-working white people?"

Come on, hasn't there been enough name calling here?

Or is it a slur at us WA state Obama supporters?

Look, I agree, Starbucks has some issues, but they give HEALTH CARE to even part time employees, gay partners....

I can think of a LOT worse companies then Starbucks, k?

by WashStateBlue 2008-05-09 01:46PM | 0 recs
I don't think I said anything against Starbucks

in fact I like them.  I'm a latte drinking, northeast liberal who just happens to not follow the Obama.

by NewHampster 2008-05-09 01:49PM | 0 recs
Ok, but Starbucks is really NOT a good target?

Yeah, but you KIND of used Starbucks conflated to the MSM, and implied THEY are shoving Obama down peoples throats?

The point is, why not say GE is shoving Obama down peoples throats?

I think you are rifting on the

"latte Drinking Prius Driving Tree Hugging" line, and YOU KNOW that is a load of crap?

It's blantant "us against them " pandering being used in the midwest to paint ANYONE with a college eduction (which I am betting you have) that votes for Obama as


Since WHEN did Elite become a bad word in politics?

Let me remind you?  

When Tom Delay and the Repubilics used it to drive a wedge between us and the voters in the midwest?

You know I'm right?

It's just a sad artice of this campaign that the Clinton's have to use so many Republic memes against people like me, who voted for Bill twice?

Suddenly I'm the Enemy?

That's crap, I walked with my mom for Kennedy and I have been giving and contributing to the Democratic party my whole life?

by WashStateBlue 2008-05-09 01:57PM | 0 recs
To sort of quote you

I waited in line for hours to see Bobby at rest.

I worked for McGovern.

The point of the diary is not you.  It is not US, the latte drinking, prius driving elite liberals of whom I am one.

The point of the diary is the MSM are in it for the money and Obama is where the money is for them.

by NewHampster 2008-05-09 02:03PM | 0 recs
Re: To sort of quote you

Well then, we just disagree.

I think this nomination was Senator Clintons to lose?

And, she did, she hired idiot like Mark Penn, they blew through all the money early, he had NO strategy past Super Tuesday.

Obama ran off 11 in a row, and the MSM had not a lot to do with that?

His ground game, his financial advantage, and the fact Senators Clintons campaign sat their shellshocked and dumbfounded?

And, by then, sure the MSM was taking Obama seriously, but was that a conspiracy?


Oh, and, BTW, though I have lots of friends that work for Starbucks, I have my own Expresso Machine at home (an Italia) and I save money, cause, frankly.....

Starbucks is too damn pricey!

Nice talking to you, good luck.....

by WashStateBlue 2008-05-09 02:26PM | 0 recs
so what?

And I'm a Washington resident who avoids $tarbuck$ (gimme Tully's or my local Lighthouse Roasters), drinks black drip coffee, and pines for Dunkin' Donuts.  I'm a lukewarm Obama backer, since he's the last ABH standing.

So what?

PS.  I'm sure you're aware that good ole folksy, blue-collar, working class Dunkin' Donuts is owned by The Carlyle Group.

by N in Seattle 2008-05-09 02:07PM | 0 recs
Well isn't ABC the main reason...

Yes, I know Dunkin' is a disgusting company that sold out long ago.  Has nothing to do with the argument.

by NewHampster 2008-05-09 02:12PM | 0 recs
I make my own coffee.

Always, with an espresso machine we rescued from a garage sale.  Sooo much better than Starbux.

What pointless micro-demographic does that make me?

by McNasty 2008-05-09 01:48PM | 0 recs
A blogger

Which means you could swing either way but most likely Obama.

by NewHampster 2008-05-09 01:50PM | 0 recs

Got me dead to rights.  :-)

by McNasty 2008-05-09 01:52PM | 0 recs
I make my Espresso

With a $10 stove top unit.  They are the easiest and best.

by NewHampster 2008-05-09 01:55PM | 0 recs
The little italian job?
me too- certainly better than starbucks. Did you know that have a trademark of the use of Grande in reference to coffee? How weird is that?
by linc 2008-05-09 01:58PM | 0 recs
I hope they don't get me for copyright

infringement or something.

by NewHampster 2008-05-09 02:04PM | 0 recs
Very entertaining reading, thanks NH :)

Speaking of the Venti crowd, though you might find this of interest..

From the diarist Big Tent Democrat over at Open Left:

I am a big fan of Ted Kennedy but he does the Democratic Party a great disservice with this type of talk:

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama isn't likely to pick rival Hillary Clinton as a running mate, according to one of his most prominent supporters. "I don't think it's possible," Massachusetts Senator Edward Kennedy said in an interview on Bloomberg Television's "Political Capital With Al Hunt," airing this weekend.

Kennedy, 76, without naming names, said Obama should pick someone who "is in tune with his appeal for the nobler aspirations of the American people. If we had real leadership -- as we do with Barack Obama -- in the No. 2 spot as well, it'd be enormously helpful," Kennedy said.

What a terrible terrible thing to say. The Obama camp should disavow it. Unless he said it at their behest. In which case, we are gonna lose in November.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/9/1 7419/80068

by phoenixdreamz 2008-05-09 01:58PM | 0 recs
You have no idea
how right you are- its so frightening- somehow I doubt we will be getting a fairness doctrine out of Obama- but thats just me guessing.
by linc 2008-05-09 02:00PM | 0 recs
Well Said - Highly Rec'd!

My family doesn't get cable (cant afford it) so that might explain a few things.

Come to think of it hampster... I'm guessing I'm not the only Hillary suppprter who's not getting a steady stream of CNNs BS.  That might explain why we haven't bought into their load of crap eh?

by alegre 2008-05-09 02:03PM | 0 recs
I must confess

I am a TVaholic and cable news too.  I also watch Idol.

by NewHampster 2008-05-09 02:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Dunkin' or Starstruck?

Nice post-strange hypothesis but I like the  sentiment. Unfortunately they are jamming the lousy candidate down our throats who will lose in Novemeber because no matter what there are more Dunkin donuts voters than elites. In our great wisdom thwe chose John Kerry last time when no one would have thought that George Bush could win a second term. But all it took was a purple band aid to put our northeast liberal latte drinking war hero under the bus. Hope someone amongst the supers sees the writing on the wall  and saves us.  

It will be interesting to see how the media handle the next couple of contests where Hillary blows Obama away. I don't think it will be like the Wyoming covereage that followed TX and PA where they claimed a great victory for Obama when only 8000 of the 100,000 registered dems in the that State participated.

by Bornagaindem 2008-05-09 02:09PM | 0 recs
No, there's no such thing

as a "Dunkin' Donuts" voter.  This is just pointless division and bad analysis.

by McNasty 2008-05-09 02:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Dunkin' or Starstruck?

I never thought we would be fighting a cultural war within the democratic party. Democrats calling other democrats elites is sickening.  Yes, Obama made a mistake with bitter-gate, but he's trying to fix that.  All Hillary is doing is pushing this cultural war and sadly, it may have a big effect in November.  The republicans have been using these attacks since Nixon.  Now we have democrats who are solidifying these republican attack points.  If you want to argue that Hillary's policies are better for middle America, then please do so.  But the "you're not us" conquer and divide stuff belongs to the republicans.   It makes me sick to my stomach actually.

by reggie23 2008-05-09 02:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Dunkin' or Starstruck?

Pardon me . . meant to say divide and conquer

by reggie23 2008-05-09 02:10PM | 0 recs
I gave up arguing policy with

Obama followers a long long time ago.

Hillary has done nothing but talk policy and nobody wants to hear it.  All they want to hear is,... oh forget it.

by NewHampster 2008-05-09 02:14PM | 0 recs
Re: I gave up arguing policy with

I understand that the media is not interested in this policy stuff.  It just not good for ratings I guess.  Obama and Clinton are on the campaign trail talking all the time yet all you hear are the snipets on gotcha politics.  Trust me, I heard about a Reverend Wright and Tuzla-gate to last a lifetime.  I understand that Hillary is a fighter, and she and her supporters are mad because they've been called racists.  But I just don't believe in the win at all costs mentality when it comes to the detriment of the democratic party.  And since March, I've felt like thats been the Clinton campaign's MO.        

by reggie23 2008-05-09 02:28PM | 0 recs
Escape Java Joint

916 Williamson St, Madison. 100% Fair Trade. Double the stregnth of Starbucks.


by benmasel 2008-05-09 02:28PM | 0 recs
Newshour Essay on Coffee

By Chicago's own Julia Keller:

In the opening chapter of the John Steinbeck novel "In Dubious Battle," a drifter named Jim makes his way to a dingy apartment. And there, Steinbeck writes, "a little tin coffee pot bubbled and steamed."

This is a pivotal moment for Jim. We know that because there's coffee, lots of it. In fact, in just about every chapter of Steinbeck's gut-punch of a novel, first published in 1936, there's coffee. You can almost smell the bitter, black stuff as you turn the pages.

It had to be coffee. Coffee's the only choice for a book about manual laborers and their fight for a living wage, because in American culture coffee is the drink of the tough-minded dreamer. It's the beverage of the dispossessed, of the poet, the lone traveler, the bruised idealist.


This Starbucks wifi-subscribing, occasional Prius-driving (because my urban CityCarShare club has a few Priuses) Hillary supporter could talk coffee and culture til the day is long.

by catfish1 2008-05-09 02:36PM | 0 recs
Doh! Only a few people have cable!

OK this never occured to me.

But after we get Hillary the nomination I'm going to look into why the League of Women Voters no longer sponsor and host the debates.

Media journalists were soooo surprised the ABC Hillary-Barack debate got such high ratings. Idiots! It was the first non-cable debate since the race was whittled down to two candidates.

Only cable subscribers can see the debates. Cable - or a tank of gas....Hmmm....

by catfish1 2008-05-09 02:39PM | 0 recs
What about Cosi?

I don't like Cosi.  The coffee is always lukewarm there and four times in the same Philadelphia Cosi within one month, the cream was curdled.

It seems Philadelphia city has more Cosi's than Starbucks.  Maybe that's why Obama ran 15% behind John Kerry's 2004 margin.  

Cosi spells doom for Barack Obama by suppressing the vote in the biggest swing state's biggest city.  

Frankly though, I think the media pushed for Obama because they're in cahootz w. the GOP, as they always have been.  Obama's a super easy target for the GOP.  

by BPK80 2008-05-09 03:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Dunkin' or Starstruck?

Krispie Kreme, not a coffee drinker, but here in the south the comparable places would be Krispie Kreme vs. Starbucks. On the doughnuts side I greatly prefer the yeasty Krispie Kreme southern style doughnuts to the overly sugary northern Dunkin. Southerners tend to have less sugar in their breads- period. I don't like northern cornbread with the sugar in it- makes it taste like cake not bread.

The Krispie Kreme buyers do tend to be the nonelites in the south. The few southern elitists make disparaging comments about "lowbrow" places like Krispie Kreme, while they believe they are sophisticated- sipping their overpriced Starbucks coffee.  

Your diary just sparked a random comment about regional differences in food tastes. This was an interesting diary...

by K1966 2008-05-09 08:58PM | 0 recs


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