I'm perfectly willing to discuss things without getting over heated. Sorry if I sound too fierce at times. I've encouraged some of my students to come here and read the debates - to get a better sense of the wide range of opinions.
One student was a bit taken aback by the "tone", said it reminded him of screaming family arguments around the dinner table when he went home for spring break. (not this diary but on the site)
What data are you referencing? Using which variables?
Which social class? There is no monolithic AA community. The Latino population that has the highest income levels are the Cuban-Americans who came here pre-Mariel boatlift - who were from upper class families in Cuba. The second wave - from the boatlifts has not fared so well.
"Blacks and Hispanics make up 62 percent of the incarcerated population, though comprising only 25 percent of the national population;
Between ten and fifteen percent of black men are incarcerated in twelve states (Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Texas, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming);
Black women are incarcerated at rates between ten and thirty-five times greater than the rates of white women in fifteen states (Colorado, Connecticut, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Rhode Island, Texas, Vermont, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming); and Hispanic youth are incarcerated at rates seven to seventeen times greater than those of whites in Connecticut, Hawaii, Massachusetts, and New Hampshire, while the incarceration rate for black youth is between twelve and twenty-five times greater than those of whites in Connecticut, Delaware, Iowa, Massachusetts, Montana, and New Jersey."
Much of this has to do with unequal sentencing for black and hispanics - in PA Latinos get double the amount of time for the same crimes committed by whites or blacks
Unemployment rates are also almost double, and in one group - young men 16 - 25 almost triple the rates for whites.
Check the latest health statistics for infant mortality rates in inner-city urban areas which are higher than in some 3rd world countries?
Can I ask where you live Lombard? You mention blacks and latinos as if they are a separate group - not always the case in NY and NJ. Many Puerto Ricans are also black or afro-descended, as are many Dominicans, Panamanians, Cubans...
Don't think that none of us can fail to hear the "tone" and not begin to apply it to us.
And I don't think "white" voters can blame the problems here on blacks, latinos, asians, Native Americans...
name me the long list of black, latino, asian or native Presidents. When you can do that - I'll accept that you might have a valid arguement.
I think you just came into ths diary just to fight, not to have an adult discussion.
As one of those "old" folks (though I feel pretty young at 60), I lived under segregation, had crosses burned in front of my house, did voter regsitration in the south - with young white and black kids - some of whom were killed for just registering folks to vote.
Some of you young folks here make me seriously ill. Do you even know what just getting the right to vote cost many of us? Do you realize that the old Democratic party used to be the party of hate mongering Dixiecrats?
Thanks to many hard won battles - we can say we are proud to be Dems...but you folks here are making me seriously doubt the future of our hard won gains.
Considered a preacher par excellence, the Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. was born on September 22, 1941, in Philadelphia. His parents, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Sr. and Dr. Mary Henderson Wright, were his earliest influences, instilling in him the possibility of balancing the intellectual with the spiritual. Armed with this philosophical upbringing, Wright has pastored Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ since 1972, seeing its membership grow from eighty seven adult members to a congregation of nearly 10,000. Wright's early education took place in Philadelphia's public schools. From there, he went on to earn a B.A. and an M.A. from Howard University, an M.A. from the University of Chicago and a doctorate in divinity from United Theological College, where he studied under the eminent Samuel DeWitt Proctor.
Wright takes seriously not only the call to worship but also the call to take action as mandated by the Gospel. Under his leadership, Trinity adopted the motto "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian" and has set out to make activism within and on behalf of the African American community a key aspect of the church's mission. An outspoken community leader, Wright has been vocal in making once-taboo issues, such as AIDS, a priority within the African American church leadership and service. His commitment to political activism, coupled with his dedication to the African American sermonic tradition, has made him a highly sought-after speaker nationally and internationally.
Wright is the recipient of numerous awards, including three honorary doctorates and three presidential commendations. An accomplished musician and author, Wright has written four books, numerous articles and countless sermons and was named one of Ebony's top fifteen preachers. In addition to national and international ministry, Wright serves on several boards of directors and committees. Married to the Reverend Ramah Reed Wright, Wright has five children and three grandchildren.
For a full view of his sermons, including awards received (which includes glimpses of the white members of his church)
suggest you see them in their context - and completely rather than sounding like employees of Fox News.
Also suggest for those of you have never been to one, take time out next Sunday and attend a black church. You will be welcomed warmly, no matter your color, or faith.
never preached anti-white sentiments and was part of a broader Rainbow Coalition with the Young Lords Party (Puerto Rican) the Patriot Party (Appalacian Whites) The American Indian Movement, The Brown Berets (Chicano) and worked in conjuction with the Peace and Freedom Party (primarily white).
When you can come back with a photograph, then you will convince me he was blonde and blue-eyed.
Biblical text describes him "with hair like a woolly lamb". If African-Americans, Cuban-Americans, Mexican-Americans, Native Americans want to have depictions of Jesus as black, brown, Bronze or beige- what are you worried about? There are shrines to the Black Madonna in Germany - I don''t hear you screaming at Germans.
and I agree with you futurebird. I think people are more concerned with bread and butter issues - deteriorating infra-structure (trains don't run on time) the high cost of gas, rising co-payments for health care (if people have coverage).
These are the things we Dems should be addressing.
sorry don't know if you are male or female, but I don't think that is a particularly nice tone to take.
I felt I had posted as an adult, and a Democrat, and am interested in seeing our Party succeed, but I thought that it would be important to raise my concern.
I was raised to be polite, and when disagreeing do so appropriately. It is just the type of tone you have taken, dismissive of what I just posted that is distressing, to many of us.
I'm not making threats, I am sorry that you took it that way. I was simply making an observation about things I have noticed recently.
The polls track votes using socially constructed variables; race, gender and ethnicity. But the polls don't always reflect the situation from an emic (insiders) perspective, because they are quantitative and not qualitative.