Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

Valerie and Joe Wilson are hitting the airwaves in Oregon for Hillary.  I always thought they were one of Hillary's strongest assets.  They are spot on.  I just wish this ad had run much earlier in the campaign.  (I'm having a very busy day, so I apologize for the brevity of my diary.  Just wanted to pass this ad on to MYDD!) Open link below to view ad.

Valerie Plame:

"If you care about ending the war, we urge you to join us in supporting Hillary Clinton for President."

http://thepage.time.com/2008/05/09/new-c linton-oregon-ad-featuring-valerie-plame -joe-wilson-on-iraq/

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Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

I fail to see a hair lines worth of difference between their two Iraq policies. Not taking side here just don't see enough of a difference to make a pitch about it.  To easy to come back with a  what the heck are they are they talking about AD ? And Another about her vote to authorize.

Not sure this is strong as you think.

by jsfox 2008-05-09 12:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

Joseph Wilson is INCREDIBLY vicious.  You should view his blogging history on the Huffington Post - it's just a shade better than Larry Johnson.

Of all the people I like who have endorsed Hillary Clinton, they're the only ones who I've had to reassess.  And when I did, it wasn't hard.

What did I like them for in the first place?  Well, they were opposed to the war, but so was Obama, so that's a wash.  And.... that's it.  Getting attacked by Bush isn't a virtue, nor is being a Republican who endorses democratic candidates from time-to-time.

by Mostly 2008-05-09 12:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

Hmmm, any specific comments you were talking about?  They were on my very long list of "Clinton supporters who I still like a lot" along with Krugman, etc.  

I mean, Wilson's always been a bit of a showman (the noose thing, the frog walk for Rove comment), but I liked that overall.

by bosdcla14 2008-05-09 12:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

"Obama's gyrations on Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran are not the actions of one imbued with superior intuitive judgment, but rather the machinations of a political opportunist looking to avoid having his fingerprints on any issue that might be controversial, and require real judgment, while preserving his freedom to bludgeon his adversary for actually taking positions as elected office demands. It is hard to discern whether Senator Obama is a man of principle, but it is clear that he is not a man of substance. And that judgment, based on his hollow record, is inescapable."

"Finally, the Obama campaign pushed a compliant press corps, all too eager to do its bidding rather than maintain its standards of objectivity and skepticism, into hyping a mini-pseudo-scandal: whether Hillary "misspoke" about being under sniper fire when she paid a visit to Tuzla in Bosnia in 1996. In fact, the then-First Lady was told the plane was diving to land to avoid possible sniper fire. Whether there was or not is irrelevant. Anybody who has been involved in these situations, as I have, knows this. The threat was apparently real enough for U.S. military on the ground, the pilot and her security detail to engage in evasive procedures. That should have been the end of the matter. But the cable TV talking heads nattered the Obama campaign talking points endlessly.

Obama's week of rolling out national security surrogates and talking points was not a pretty sight and turned out to have almost nothing to do with bolstering his thin credentials. His distracting efforts were a clear attempt to deflect attention from them, in fact. In response to Hillary's detailed, substantive speech on Iraq, Obama replied with ad hominem insults. Instead of presenting his own plan, his campaign indulged in character assassination."

"Senator Obama would never have made the speech had his relationship with fiery pastor Jeremiah Wright not become a public relations nightmare for him. Among other things, Wright preaches that the United States government unleashed the HIV virus in Africa to kill blacks. (Having worked in Africa for much of my adult life, including with one of the early AIDS researchers, Dr. Jonathan Mann, I can safely say that there is absolutely no evidence to sustain Wright's reckless charge.) Obama had no choice but to address his 20-year close relationship with a man he still considers, as he made clear in his speech, a mentor."

It's just hit-job after hit-job.  Here's the link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-wilson

You'll find all the diaries follow the same format - a brief praise of Hillary Clinton, completely devoid of substance or detail, and then he pivots into an attack on Barack Obama.

by Mostly 2008-05-09 12:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

Hmmm.  What's interesting is that after this campaign, I read that and go, wow, that is one supremely harsh attack on Obama.  But there's nothing that I see as a definite lie (spin, and harsh opinion, but no clear lies), and at no point did he denigrate Obama based on his race (ie, if Obama was white he wouldn't be where he is, black voters count less, etc.).  

I understand why you've changed your opinion on him, and respect that.  But given all the bile that's been heaped on Obama by Hillary supporters, this doesn't even get my dander up.  Its like having someone scream right near your ear---except you've just come out of an 8-hour rock concert.  

Heck, yesterday I went over to No Quarter, and there was a post entitled "Let's Call a Spade a Spade."  Now THAT pissed me off.  

by bosdcla14 2008-05-09 01:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

Well keep in mind that most of these came out in February or March when things were still fairly civil, but you're right, it's a subjective judgement.

But "gyrations" and "political machinations of an opportunist" and then throwing in Reverend Wright for no reason, while at the same time bending over backwards to defend Tuzla, and laying the blame for the whole thing on the Obama campaign.  It's a hit job.

And like I said, the reasons I liked him turned out to be fairly superficial.  He wants to see Karl Rove in a perp walk.  I want to see Karl Rove in a perp walk.  Stuff like that.  The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

by Mostly 2008-05-09 01:14PM | 0 recs
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Yeah, I see your point.  If I'd read it back then, I'd probably be more angry.  Instead, I read it and say "this should should outrage me" but not feeling it.  

by bosdcla14 2008-05-09 01:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

To tell you the truth, I was working from memory.  I just remember thinking "now he's gone too far!"  But going back it seems pretty tame.

But that's only by comparison.  I still don't like it, I don't think that Barack Obama's opinions are mere political machinations designed to support a hollow record by a machiavellian opportunist.  And that's his argument.  

by Mostly 2008-05-09 01:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

wow, i like it! spells it out exactly as i've seen it.

by california voter 2008-05-09 01:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

They were heros of the blogosphere...

Until they came out in support of Hillary.

Now they are just Republicans for Clinton.

I see that after 46 years as a Democrat, it's time for a change.

by Dave B 2008-05-09 12:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

Where is it written that we're forced to like every single person that has come out for Hillary Clinton?

I still like Helen Thomas just fine.  I still like Wesley Clark just fine.  I still like Paul Krugman just fine.  And on and on.

I don't like Joseph Wilson.  If that's your rationale to switch parties, then I can't help you.

by Mostly 2008-05-09 12:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

Oh, and most of all I like Elizabeth Edwards just fine.

I like George McGovern just fine.

I like Barney Frank just fine.

I mean I can go on and on.  Would you like me to?

by Mostly 2008-05-09 12:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Vicious?!

Please give an example of Joe Wilson being vicious,  To the contrary, it was the Bushies who viciously outed his wife, endangering the lives of other CIA agents. Why? Because it was Joe Wilson who revealed the truth about Bush's yellow cake lies.  He's a hero.

As far as his posts over at Huff, here's an example:

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is one of the few who fully understood the stakes in that battle. Time and again, she reached out to my wife -- outed CIA officer Valerie Plame Wilson -- and me to remind us that as painful as the attacks were, we simply could not allow ourselves to be driven from the public square by bullying. To do so would validate the radical right's thesis that the way to win debates is to demonize opponents, taking full advantage of the natural desire to avoid confrontation, even if it means yielding on substantive issues. Hillary knew this from experience, having spent the better part of the past 20 years fighting the Republican attack machine. She is a fighter.

On Iraq Resolution:
Obama never mentions that Hans Blix, the chief United Nations weapons inspectors, declared that without the congressional Authorization for the Use of Military Force the inspectors would never have been allowed into Iraq. Hillary's approach -- and that of the majority of Democrats in the Senate -- was to let the inspectors complete their work while building an international coalition. Hillary's was the road untaken. The betrayal of the American people, and of the Congress, came when President Bush refused to allow the inspections to succeed, and that betrayal is his and his party's, not the Democrats.

If Joe Wilson were the person of dubious character you purport him to be, he would be jumping on the Obama bandwagon. He sticks to what he knows to be right and I admire him for it.

by moevaughn 2008-05-09 01:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Vicious?!

I never said he was a person of dubious character.  However:

He can't jump on any bandwagon at this point because he's too wedded to the Clintons.  And if you were only interested in power and, last year, had to pick a horse to back, who would you choose?  I'd choose the Clintons.  So would anyone with half a brain.

I'm not saying his motives are venal, but I AM saying that his support of the Clintons is no demonstration that they aren't.  Anyway I already gave you a bunch of quotes.

by Mostly 2008-05-09 01:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

they didn't get the memo about barack's 1 speech as a state legislature opposing the war. ergo: only he has the moral authority to end it.

by darwinism 2008-05-09 12:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

Well, no actually.

Joseph Wilson's whole rationale is that Barack Obama's opposition was meaningless because he wasn't in the Senate, therefore, vote for Clinton.

It doesn't make any sense.

by Mostly 2008-05-09 12:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

SURELY, had barack been in the u.s. senate he would have voted against the war. every other democrat voted against it, right? that's why they're not being called as republicans by the masses at the orange site?

by darwinism 2008-05-09 12:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

I don't know what argument you're trying to have.  You're attacking things that nobody has said.

For the record, half of the Senate Democrats voted for the AUMF, and half voted against it.  But of the ones that voted for it, a vast majority of them were facing reelection just one month away.  Hillary Clinton was one of about 6 who voted for it and wasn't up for reelection.

by Mostly 2008-05-09 12:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

Lots of Democrats did vote against the war.

And your point is?

by politicsmatters 2008-05-09 12:56PM | 0 recs
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like all of the senatorial presidential nominees this year (less obama who was not in the sentae then)? point being, hilary seems to get an unfair share of the blame for the war. it sems like it's 1 of the main issues the far far left blogosphere has on her- when other respectable dem senators also voted for it.

by darwinism 2008-05-09 01:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

It had to do with her rationale at the time - she came out and said that it wasn't a vote for war.

We all knew that it was.  She knew that it was.

The way it was interpreted by most of the anti-war movement was an insincere argument designed to give political cover for other democrats to vote for the war.  Once she made her speech it was going to be virtually impossible to get to the left of her.

And people like, say, Edwards came out and said "I was wrong".  Hillary Clinton defends it to this day, and still maintains that it wasn't really a vote for war.

by Mostly 2008-05-09 01:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

did you even bother to fact check your last sentence?

she stated in the OH debate that she wishes she could have that vote back.

my god.  Obama supporters can drag out quotes from Hillary from 15 years ago, but they cannot keep up with current events.

by colebiancardi 2008-05-09 03:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Iraq rationale

and what did Sen. Obama have to say about the Iraq War just after elected to Senate?

On July 27, 2004, Obama told the Chicago Tribune on Iraq: "There's not much of a difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage."  

by moevaughn 2008-05-09 01:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

I'm glad they're out there supporting Democrats.

But, Joe Wilson rubs me the wrong way.  Something about his BS op-ed telling me I was wrong to think this is a change election came across as him being completely full of himself, and his desire to attack someone who opposed this war rather than to attack someone who wants to continue it.  

But I guess that's his choice.  

by freedom78 2008-05-09 12:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

Right - the exact quote was "this isn't a change election, this is a throw the bums out election!"

What bums is he talking about?  The entire Bush Administration is getting term limited out.  

Like I said, it makes no sense.  He's all bluster and no content.

by Mostly 2008-05-09 01:00PM | 0 recs
Re: opposing war

After being elected to Senate:

On July 27, 2004, Obama told the Chicago Tribune on Iraq: "There's not much of a difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage."  

by moevaughn 2008-05-09 01:12PM | 0 recs
Re: opposing war

I was about to respond, and then I saw that you were spamming.  Please stop.

by Mostly 2008-05-09 01:17PM | 0 recs
Re: opposing war

I'm not spamming.  Two different people brought this up and I'm responding to it.

by moevaughn 2008-05-09 01:30PM | 0 recs
Re: opposing war

Fair enough.  I suppose that that means there's zero difference between Hillary and Bush's positions, since she had a chance to go on record by voting on the AUMF.

by freedom78 2008-05-09 01:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

Does anyone care what these asshats have to say?

by obamaovermccain 2008-05-09 12:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

TR'ed. Highly inappropriate and makes not just Obama supporters but all Democrats in general look bad.

by zcflint05 2008-05-09 12:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

That's not right.  These guys have been slamming Barack Obama personally for months.  90% of the time they don't have anything positive to say about the Clintons, but they absolutely hate Obama.

by Mostly 2008-05-09 12:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

Calling any Democrat an "asshat" is wrong. And PS, all of Obama's surrogates have been slamming Hillary since the campaign began, so what the hell is your point?

by zcflint05 2008-05-09 01:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

I too think people running hit jobs on other democrats are asshats.  Seriously - look at Joseph Wilson's essays.  That's all they are.  All his talk about Hillary Clinton is prelude.

That's no way to conduct a primary.  I want Obama supporters to, well, support Obama, not to write article after article about what a horrible person Hillary Clinton is.  That's what Joseph Wilson does.

by Mostly 2008-05-09 01:19PM | 0 recs
you can call those people asshats too
by ab03 2008-05-09 01:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

excuse me for saying this, but I don't give a shit what you think, these people have tried to destroy the credibility of a fellow democrat and I don't have respect for them or anyone who defend these people

by obamaovermccain 2008-05-09 01:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

Ironic coming from a supporter of a canidiate who has run an entire primary campaign based on a Democrat's negatives while accusing two prominent Democrats of racism.

by zcflint05 2008-05-09 01:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

excuse me but did you find this on Obama's kindergarten essay?

by obamaovermccain 2008-05-09 02:37PM | 0 recs
Re: slamming Obama?

They disagree with Obama.  Strong debate over the issues is what is needed during elections -- especially this one.  Not everyone is impressed with general platitudes about change.

Paul Krugman also thinks Hillary is the best candidate for the challenges of these times. At least you're not one of the many Obama supporters who have been slamming Krugman for speaking his mind.

by moevaughn 2008-05-09 01:19PM | 0 recs
Re: slamming Obama?

"At least".

I really do wish that my opinion of Joseph Wilson would be taken seriously, or at least you'd take my word for it that it's got nothing to do with him supporting Hillary.

by Mostly 2008-05-09 01:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

This ad could have been effective in February.  The gig is up.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-09 12:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

Incidentally, among Hillary Clinton's unpaid bills is a debt owed to... you guessed it... Joseph Wilson.

by Mostly 2008-05-09 12:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

Man, I basically didn't recognize Joe Wilson with the old-guy haircut.

These two are heroes in my book and I think their support for Hillary says something positive.

by Steve M 2008-05-09 01:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

This is important!  Will the MSM talk about it?

by ctmayor 2008-05-09 02:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Valerie and Joe Wilson for Hillary

These two people put their lives and their livelihood on the line to stand up to George Bush and his merry band of cronies, which is more than you can say for a lot of others.  I think their endorsement does mean something in the world of those who are against the war.  

by JustJennifer 2008-05-09 03:25PM | 0 recs

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