I am new to this web site.  

Since i have joined, I have been struck by the "progressives", "liberals" or "democrats" who have said they would vote for John McCain over Barack Obama if Obama was the democratic nominee.

To be honest, I am quite shocked about that reaction.  

More below the fold....

I am shocked that a democrat would support someone who has vowed to continue our presence in Iraq for an indefinite period of time while more and more American soldiers are needlessly killed.  I ask you-Would you rather see more of our sons, daughters, mothers and fathers killed in Iraq rather than Obama as President?

I am shocked that a democrat would support someone who has vowed to appoint conservatives to the Supreme Court bent on overturning Roe v. Wade.  Two of the Court's most liberal members (Justices Stevens and Ginsburg) and reliable votes to preserving Roe are likely to retire this next term.  I ask you-Would you rather see Roe overturned than Obama as President?

I am shocked that a democrat would support someone who has voted and will seek to extend Bush's tax cuts on the wealthiest Americans.  I ask you-Would you rather see Bush's tax cuts extended or some sanity brought back to the budget and have Obama as our next President?

I am shocked that a democrat would support someone who has a 15% rating by the Americans for Democratic Action whereas Obama was given the label as most liberal senator.  

I know that there are some very passionate Hillary supporters on here, just as there are passionate Obama supports.  But, our passion and our beliefs that one campaign has been unfair to the others should nto stop us at our goal:

No matter who is selected - Obama or Clinton - by the Democratic party, we should support them and save our country from a continuation of Bush's policies. I am not a huge Hillary fan, but if she is the nominee, I will support her ad vote for her.  It is too important to abandon our party now.  American lives are at stake.

I would be interested in the comments of any democrats who are Hillary supporters who would vote for McCain over Obama in the fall and why.  Whether these ideals, which base you base your party affiliation and how you live your life are worth abandoning and why.

Thanks for reading.

Tags: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Iraq, John McCain, SCOTUS, Supreme Court (all tags)



Re: McCain>Obama?

Many of the "Hillary supporters" here appear to be opposition plants that are routinely banned and then reappear with new IDs.  See the post a few items after your for an example.

by oregonkcg 2008-02-25 02:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh please. the Obama supporters

If they have, they are equally wrong.  I have seen many more people on this site supporting HRC and promising to vote for McCain in the fall.

by mefck 2008-02-25 03:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh please. the Obama supporters

Yes, those pesky independents and cross-over Republicans.

by SocialDem 2008-02-25 03:42PM | 0 recs

you would UNDERSTAND that we CAN WIN with the FORTY PER CENT of voters who are SELF-IDENTIFY as DEMOCRATS

by BlueinColorado 2008-02-25 05:18PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain>Obama?

Welcome. If you hang around a little longer you will understand the temptation.

by LadyEagle 2008-02-25 03:03PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain>Obama?

How do we know that Obama stands for the above things? He doesn't stand for universal health care but neither does McCain. He's already been waffling on what he'll do in Iraq.

As far as the Bush tax cuts go, they expire and if the Dems have congress they won't even come up for a vote so I don't see that as an issue.

Stop blaming Hillary supporters and start looking at the Obama campaign. They're the ones that are responsible for getting others on board and so far they haven't seen that as a priority.

Anyway, I think Obama would be a terrible president that would lose after 4 years and set off decades of conservative dominence of our politics much like Carter did. Isn't it better to lose the next election than lose the next decades?

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-25 03:04PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain>Obama?

Obama is not a strong Democratic candidate, thus I will vote for McCain.  

That line of reasoning makes no sense.  If you think Obama is not a strong advocate for progressive causes, I could see how you might not vote for the guy, but to actually cast your vote to the man who would work to destroy what progressives value for the next four to eight years?   It's quite a leap.  

by gobacktotexas 2008-02-25 03:09PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain>Obama?

Did I say that? In the end it won't matter because Obama will lose the general election.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-25 03:49PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain>Obama?

He does stand for universal health care-every single person in this country can have it if they want it unlike now.

Also, from what I have seen, his stance on Iraq has been as equivocal as Hillary's.

What about Roe v. Wade?  And yes, I would rather see Obama in the White House.  You don't know what the next 4 years of an Obama administration would bring.  You think it will be awful, but maybe it won't.  Maybe he will effectively advance progressive causes and get us out of Iraq.

If you think a bad president will set back the progressive cause, just look at Bush.  The conservatives still have a realistic chance of keeping the WH even though Bush has been one of the worst presidents in history.

by mefck 2008-02-25 03:19PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain>Obama?

Nope, universal care means no freeloaders like Obama wants.

Roe v. Wade? How do you know he won't cave to evangelicals? He's already done it once.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-25 03:51PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain>Obama?

Will you be changing your handle?

by Bob Johnson 2008-02-25 06:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh please. the Obama supporters

That's ridiculous.   Some people might have said that they would have difficulty voting for Hillary, but virtually none have said they would vote for mccain.  

by gobacktotexas 2008-02-25 03:07PM | 0 recs
Won't vote for McCain

and won't vote for Obama either. Probably will leave the line blank or vote Libertarian. My issue with Obama is over the McClurkin incident and its aftermath. First we were told this was an error. Then that it was a small matter. When McClurkin took over the whole performance as MC and blasted lesbians and gays, that was when I became very distrustful of Obama.

The aftermath did not help. It is now four months on and there have been no conciliatory moves from camp Obama. Those of us who complained were told that we were 'unimportant', an 'unpopular group of people', had to respect people of faith who hate us and throw kids into dangerous 'exgay' programs. And that we were racists for not understanding how essential homophobia is to many AA's.

We were promised something would be done in October. It did happen, he brought out another 'exgay' to his campaign, Kirbyjohn Caldwell. That did it for me.

Gay rights are my main concern, over and above all else. Anyone who is not good on gay rights does not get my vote. Period.

by DaleA 2008-02-25 03:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Won't vote for McCain

A very fair assessment.  Thank you for your response.

by mefck 2008-02-25 03:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Won't vote for McCain

I have much respect for you. Your party's candidate you feel is weak in an area that's important to you, so you won't support him. That's cool, that's your right. And you are sending a message to your party by saying, " Hey, I'm not happy, so I'm staying home".

Voting for McCain, because Obama is not Democrat enough for a voter, no that's an idiot. w

by xodus1914 2008-02-25 04:39PM | 0 recs
History repeats itself

Every election, some supporters of a Democratic candidate who loses the primary decide they're so angry that they're willing to give their vote to a Republican, or a 3rd party, or not vote at all.

There are not huge numbers of people in this camp, but this camp exists every year. Don't spend any time worrying about it. I'm sure the same thing happens on the other side of the aisle.

by mrstas 2008-02-25 03:27PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain>Obama?

I trust McCain more than Obama to withdraw the troops in a responsible manner.  The last thing I want to see is another Siagon. I want withdrawl with honor.  

I see McCain nominating more moderate justices and they will still need congressional approval.  I have  no confidence that Obama will necessarily nominate liberals as he continues to pander to his independent base.  You always dance with the people who brought you.

The tax cuts -- ah yeah -- that's going to be a hard  one to swallow but it doesn't out weigh the other two.

I can name fifty liberals I wouldn't want to see as Commander and Chief.  Liberal is awesome.  It's not the only factor.

Actually?  I trust McCain more than I do Obama to run the country. I already had all the hope and nice words I needed.  I prefer experience.  

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-02-25 03:28PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain>Obama?

So, if you prefer experience, I assume you are supporting McCain over Hillary?

by mefck 2008-02-25 03:34PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain>Obama?

So you will vote for McCain over Hillary?

by Sandeep 2008-02-25 04:07PM | 0 recs

I trust Senator Clinton over McCain to redeploy the troops safely and with honor.

I trust Senator Clinton to stand her ground on appointing pro-choice judges.

I would of course prefer to see the tax cuts to the rich done away with.  I want to see true universal healthcare.  

She liberal enough for me and still a strong Commander and Chief.

I think she has the experience, understanding and chops for the job.

So I would vote Senator Clinton over McCain and McCain over Obama.

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-02-25 04:44PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain>Obama?

That is the funniest line of the day:

I trust McCain more than Obama to withdraw the troops in a responsible manner.  

You won't have to worry about McCain withdrawing the troops. He won't do it. Ever.

by Bob Johnson 2008-02-25 06:26PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain>Obama?

I listened to an interview with McCain over the weekend regarding the "100 years" comment.  It's always struck me as absurd the way both Democrats seized on that and toss it around -- for one thing, ah, I really doubt McCain could live long enough to be president for 100 years.  

Anyway,  McCain explained beyond the sound bite his thoughts on Iraq.  A reminder that he was one of the earliest and most vocal critics on the conduct of the war, particularly by Rumsfeld.  

My biggest concern is a safe and orderly withdrawl, something Clinton stressed to her political detriment when the entire Democratic field was running on "immediate" withdrawl upon taking office.

I see bigger potential danger in "immediate" withdrawl to meet some campaign promise than in the promise to "stay there as long as it takes". What interests me is minimal civilian and troop casualties.  I understand the complexities of the situation enough to know immediate withdrawl for political expediency could be our shared worst nightmare scenario.

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-02-26 01:10AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain>Obama?

I am a Hillary supporter, and yes I would prefer her to be the nominee.   I havent voted for a republican since the first time I voted for a President.  Ronald Reagan 1980.

I will vote for him if he is the nominee.  I would prefer him not to be, because I just dont think he can do the job.  I think the Republicans will have a field day, with him.   ..

by patti 2008-02-25 04:28PM | 0 recs
Getting more votes....

I don't think Hillary should let Obama and the GOP steal the election either..

...isn't "stealing"

by BlueinColorado 2008-02-25 05:16PM | 0 recs


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