What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

It's funny, I've generally been a fan of Keith Olberman over the last few years. He seemed to me to be one of the good guys, going after the Bush administration policies when few others would. My wife, on the other hand, who's lefty politics are pretty similar to mine could not stand him.

While I applauded his special comments she was insulted by the tone. I didn't understand what annoyed her so much, but she'd leave the room anytime I tuned him in. It wasn't the issues he was discussing, it was the self important buffoonery that really got under her skin, the name calling and the juvenial snickering.  In her opinion that was the tactics of the right and it was not OK to play the game that way. When we descend to their level, we are no better than them.

What she felt what was wrong was that rather than stake out a position on the merits and defend it with honor and dignity, Keith Olberman's goal was to use his pulpet in whatever manner he wanted to sway public opinion. Just because he was fighting for something that was good, was not justification for demeaning and nasty hate speech.

I'm sort of a meenie so I didn't really care and it was fun to see Fox News tactics used against the bad guys. But, now that I see how he is going after Clinton, I understand her point much better. Sure, I support Clinton, and it is infuriating to see Olberman join the chorus on MSNBC of those attacking her 24/7. Would I be gleefull if they were attacking Obama in this manner? Maybe, but I hope not.

There is something very wrong about the role of the media today. We see it very clearly over at Fox. They use every sneekie trick they can to present themselves as fair and balanced while all the time trying to advance an agenda through name calling and repetition of disingenuous sound bites. It may be effective, but it is not the right way for the national discourse to proceed. It is not journalism. It is boosterism.

One of the main reasons that I support Hillary Clinton is that she has been subjected to these kinds of non-stop attacks for all her political life. She has not been made by the media. In fact, she has succeeded in spite of their best, now becoming fanatical efforts to take her down. And, she is still standing. She may even win the nomination in spite of what amounts to around the clock vitriolic attack ads against her. Those folks on MSNBC, CNN and Fox must be awfully afraid of her, to devote such energy to ripping her apart.

You wonder why.  I think it is because they don't own her. When Shuster went over the line she called him out. Matthews has been forced to apologize. She doesn't suck up to them and that terrifies them. Because they are not in control of her.

Obama has been elevated to almost godlike status by a fawning media. What happens when we get to the general election and the same self important pundits turn on him? What happens when they start to disect his rhetoric of hope and optimism and start to roll out the inevitable amateur hour in the White House with a nation at war narrative?

You see, if they make you, they can break you. They didn't make Clinton. She has risen despite their best efforts to drag her down. Obama has been created by the media. He needs the media and they will not be there for him in the fall. Well, I guess Keith Olberman may be there in the fall. But, his will be a lonely voice.

This is the plan. The last thing the corporations that own the media want is for a Democrat to win. They are getting away with too much that would end if a Democrat wins. They believe that they can beat Obama because they created him, but they are afraid of Clinton. They want to install Obama as the nominee so that they can pull the rug out from under him in the fall.

I don't think Keith Olbermann is knowingly part of the plan. He probably believes the stuff he is saying, and actually really does despise Clinton, but by adopting the tactics of the right he makes himself part of the problem. By piling on Clinton and elevating Obama he contributes to the lack of real vetting of Obama. He contributes to stacking the contest in favor of the weaker candidate so that the Democrats can be beaten in November.

Tags: clinton, MSNBC, obama, Olbermann (all tags)

Comments

88 Comments

Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

i agree entirely -- your wife's a smart woman!

seriously, he's always irritated me even when I agree with him: part of the dumbing down of television/media. pompous, arrogant, and with intellectual tunnel vision that excludes any point of view other than the one being pushed is politically obnoxious, no matter from whom it comes.

i haven't watched him (or MSNBC) in some time, so don't know about the attacks on Hillary, but sounds like it's a shame he's turned MSNBC into a propaganda arm rather than a news' outfit. funny thing is until the sexist anti-Hillary crap, i used to tune in Hardball once in a while over KO, but that isn't happening any more.

by CalDem 2008-02-16 07:52AM | 0 recs
She is indeed!

Thanks.

by MediaFreeze 2008-02-16 07:55AM | 0 recs
Re: She is indeed!

I'm glad I'm not married to some holier-than-thou sanctimonious person like that.

People like your wife, being meek, have ensured GOP victories since 1994.  She's certainly no pillar of virtue.

She leaves the room?  oooooooooo, that's profound.

by jgarcia 2008-02-16 09:22AM | 0 recs
Re: She is indeed!

Wow! Sure takes a lot of courage and virtue to insult a man's wife via a comment on MYDD.

You are certainly not want to talk about what is or is not profound with the kind of attitude you just displayed here.

by JDF 2008-02-16 09:39AM | 0 recs
Re: She is indeed!

wow...and presumably not just from a fellow liberal Dem but, per your handle, presumably also a fellow dead-head. man, that must be the lowest comment ever...sleee---zy.

by CalDem 2008-02-16 10:02AM | 0 recs
Re: She is indeed!

hey, Chelsea's fair game in the political arena once she injected herself into the election.  When a diarist motherfucks Keith Olbermann using his wife as his main reason/weapon, then, yeah, like Chelsea, she's not above even being commented about.  Geez.

by jgarcia 2008-02-16 10:25AM | 0 recs
Re: She is indeed!

You're not helping Obama.

Really.

No kidding.

by Marsha1 2008-02-16 12:15PM | 0 recs
Re: She is indeed!

I think the vast majority of people on this site have picked which gang they want to get jumped into already and no one is being swayed here.

The rest of us just roll our eyes and sigh at the party in-fighting.  But hey, we are democrats and so snatching defeat from the jaws of victory is what we do.  If it means blowing up the entire party is the only way to lose then by god, we are gonna do that.

by kasjogren 2008-02-16 01:02PM | 0 recs
At least they keep coming up with...

new and exciting ways to lose. They had this one in the bag and then they went nuts for a guy nobody had even heard of a few years ago. What's this guy done that's so impressive? He's done nothing but campaign since he's been in the Senate.

by JimR 2008-02-16 01:29PM | 0 recs
Re: At least they keep coming up with...

Yeah, the funny thing, comments like that is what I was actually talking about.

by kasjogren 2008-02-16 07:07PM | 0 recs
Re: She is indeed!

Incredible.  How proud you must be.

by Denny Crane 2008-02-16 08:39PM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

I think that KO is actually somewhat dumbfounded and disappointed to see some of the tactics being taken by the Clinton campaign organization. He has said on numerous occasions how much he admires both of the Clintons. I would have to agree that the Clinton campaign being steered by the monsterous Mark Penn has been tonedeaf and hamfisted at every opportunity. I don't know why they don't fire that fat pig. He is basically handing the nomination over to Obama.

by demwords 2008-02-16 08:02AM | 0 recs
But why?

What's making Olbermann so "dumbfounded"? That Hillary's fighting back against the smear operations being done by his colleagues in the media as well as the Obama campaign? And why hasn't he called out the Obama campaign for their right-wing smears on Hillary and just about anyone who speaks up and defends her?

by atdleft 2008-02-16 08:15AM | 0 recs
Re: But why?

I think it is about how poorly they are executing and strategizing. The Clinton's have great instincts...and they have turned the keys over to Mark Penn who is a hack. He's a pollster, not a message person like Begala, or a real warrior like Carville.I'm afraid that he is going to blow this.

by demwords 2008-02-16 08:34AM | 0 recs
Re: But why?

Hillary is not worth defending.  Everything she has ever done has been for her own glory, kinda like....bush!

by affratboy22 2008-02-16 10:59AM | 0 recs
Re: But why?

"Hillary is not worth defending.  Everything she has ever done has been for her own glory, kinda like....bush."

You understand when you adopt this tactic, and use it in this manner, YOU look absurd?

Can you see that, do you comprehend the WHY of the template, why it might work in one environment, but be useless in another?

Perhaps it was snark, and I missed it...

by Marsha1 2008-02-16 12:20PM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

The Clinton's have gotten a raw deal in the press. They had the race card played against them and that has had a profound impact on the race.

Obama is very talented and could have been an excellent president in 4 or 8 years. But, he had to have the big prize now and has trashed the Clinton presidency in order to win. You don't see Republicans doing that, they talk up Reagan which helps the Republican brand name, Dem's do the opposite.

Obama has temporarily brought a coalition together based on a common hatred for the Clintons. The right will turn on him and devour him. If he survives the attacks and wins the presidency, he will be overwhelmed from start to finish. President Kennedy was brilliant but still overwhelmed in 1961.

by mmorang 2008-02-16 11:11AM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

I agree what you describe was bad strategy.  Let's see:

  • the Dems have only held the presidency in recent memory because of a Clinton
  • the times were prosperous; despite challenges from dealing with a Repub congress for most of his two terms, he accomplishes some good things
  • he leaves with a high approval rating - 68%
  • and that is 7 long years ago, because the Dems couldn't find anyone in the whole country who could sufficiently run/run a campaign to beat the complete and utter moron the Repubs ran
  • finally, the moron has no choice but to go, and the country is falling apart
  • the moron's approval rating is at all time low - 30%
  • the mood is for a Dem this time, with many nostalgic for Clinton, and even some Repubs saying things were better under Clinton
  • Clinton's wife, a respected senator who was his closest advisor during (again may we remind you) the only time in recent memory a Dem held the presidency decides to run
  • instead of getting behind her, Dems decide to promote a junior senator to run against said Clinton's wife
  • then these same wise Dems join the junior senator in bashing the Clintons
  • as an added attraction, the junior senator praises the favorite Repub folk hero, Reagan:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/21/opinio n/21krugman.html

Let's see, Dick and Jane, how many mistakes can you find in this story?

As Will Rogers said, "I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat."

by Larissa 2008-02-16 01:13PM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

Oh yes, and let me add, those wise Dems gave up the chance to have the only Dem in recent memory to beat the Repubs, the one who left office with 68% approval, the one even some Repubs were nostalgic for after 7 years of the complete and utter moron, as FIRST MAN (two for one).

by Larissa 2008-02-16 01:29PM | 0 recs
Mark Penn

I've had the misfortune to work with Penn for a mutual client. I found that he had little to offer and certainly has no talent at crafting a message. The "Day One" thing is already a laughline. Hillary IS all about CHANGE...and that dunderhead crafted a meme that has change and experience as opposites. He played right into the hands of David Axlerod. Begala and Carville would not be so foolish. Penn is a pollster masquerading as a strategist. Just look at his stupid "Microtrends" book and you can see he's a man who can't envision the forest, but rather bangs his head on low hanging branches. I want Hillary to succeed, and this clown is sinking the ship. He is fat, but that is actually one of his better qualities.

by demwords 2008-02-16 12:24PM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

Yup.  I cancelled his show off my DVR over two months ago.  I'd had enough.

Actually, his pomposity was what was getting to me.

I hated how he had "guests" on and then gave them these extremely long questions that CONTAINED the answer he wanted to hear.  One regular is John Dean, who simply mouths whatever Olbermann wants him to say.  (I suspect that's because Dean has so many books to sell, and it's an opportunity for him to get a couple hits on Amazon.)

And his interviews were far too short, and less substantive -- particularly because he didn't let his guests get into details because his questions were so long-winded.

I haven't seen much of the Clinton bashing because I quit watching before that apparently started happening regularly.  Glad I wasn't a witness.

BTW:  I miss NOTHING by not watching his show.  I watch "BBC World News America" on BBCAmerica instead -- and get FAR more substantive news reporting, including (gasp) stories from around the world.  (It airs twice weeknights. I highly recommend it.  They also do LIVE coverage of the primaries, and stay on air, cancelling BBCAmerica programming until the results are in.)

by susanhu 2008-02-16 08:40AM | 0 recs
he's a sports reporter

he calls games and he goes for the cheap laughs, like locker room jokes, he's often in poor taste, but he's not a newsman, he's a 'personality' and he plays to his locker room base, guys who like fart jokes.  

by anna shane 2008-02-16 09:37AM | 0 recs
Re: he's a sports reporter

"...he's often in poor taste, but he's not a newsman, he's a 'personality' and he plays to his locker room base, guys who like fart jokes."  

OK, I like fart jokes, and I support Hillary Clinton.

My father was big on fart jokes.

by Marsha1 2008-02-16 12:23PM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

Your wife's instincts and observations are dead on. As a woman who liked Keith at the beginning, I grew weary of his childish attempts to "entertain". And the jock heavy attempts to be one of the boys and stress his sports cred was vry irritating. Is he is sexist? YES. And i saw this before the recent Clinton pile on at MSNBC.

He can be condescending about women and often makes little boy snarky remarks that he thinks are "cute" but actually are sexist digs and he isn't even aware of this, as he is so enamored with himself.

He can be satirical and trenchant but spoils it all a second later when he puts on some tasteless crude clip that has no place on this [or any] kind of responsible show. Keith wants to do comedy, but doesn't know how to do tasteful satire. And doesn't know when to stop.

His recent defection to the Hillary Hating Matthews,Tucker,Russert tribe of unprofessional hit men is a sorry sight.

He's trying to keep his job, and he's betting that Obama wins. Even so, there is no resemblance to the kind of Keith we saw for a brief while.

However, having been in advertising and media for many years, Keth's not hard to "get". He's a man who basically rests his case on his masculinity, and this is always a problem. He'll always sneak a little snark about ladies to bolster himself and his audience. And he likes being on the "in".

Keith, I thought I knew ye, but you're like all the rest,and you are currently in rotten company.
Company so rotten you smell like today's [not yeaterday's] herring wrappings.

by morris1030 2008-02-16 01:52PM | 0 recs
Keith Olbermann is a commentator, right?
I don't watch KO much, but I think he's a commentator, not a newsman. He's like part of the opinion page in a newspaper. I wouldn't expect balance or fairness from a show like KO's. Most cable news channels present mostly opinion shows like this, with commentators commentating and people yelling at each other, which is why I rarely watch the news any more. They exist to perpetuate the Freak Show. These cable channels have also really blurred the line between reporting the news and commenting on it. I never much believed that journalists can be "objective" anyway. I do think they should try, but these days it's a lost cause.
by vj 2008-02-16 07:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann is a commentator, right?

Yes and no. He is certainly a commentator, but he also presents his opinions as facts. It is one thing to say: "This is my opinion." It is another to say: "This is how it is."

I think that the intentional blurring of the line between commentary, opinions and news in an effort to impact events is exactly what is wrong with the media today.

by MediaFreeze 2008-02-16 08:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann is a commentator, right?

He and I corresponded just as he was getting his permanent show on MSNBC.  I'd lobbied MSNBC to hire him full-time.  He wrote to thank me.  Then we got into a discussion of Iraq (it was before the war).  And he made fun of my opposition to the war. (My daughter vividly remembers because I shared those e-mails with her, and she was shocked at how he mocked me.) How I wish I still had those e-mails.

He wasn't opposed -- and didn't begin commenting against Bush and the war -- until he saw that he could profit from being
opposed, and attract a certain demographic.  Screw him.

by susanhu 2008-02-16 08:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann is a commentator, right?

Well, I guess we can agree that he's no Bill Moyers.

Interesting story. Thanks for sharing it.

by MediaFreeze 2008-02-16 08:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann is a commentator, right?

Wow. I completely believe you on that. What is it about ego and ambition that just tarnishes people in the media?  That's just sad.

by Catriley sez 2008-02-16 09:03AM | 0 recs
it's in your hard drive

and you can paraphrase his comments because they were made to you. I'd call him out on it, he's one of the ex-smokers who blames everyone who's ever smoked for his addiction.  Seems many who were against the war vote have managed to forgive or understand Hillary and those who were also 'taken in' by Bush's lies. Not those about Saddam but about not having made up his mind, and how we need inspectors to complete the job, and how Saddam can avoid war if he offers exile.  Those lies. He may have taken down Hillary with his cruel decisions, and allowed the misogynists to have a 'reason' to oppose the one most clearly qualified by her Senate experience if nothing earlier, and by her clearly defined objectives and her very many professional advisors.  

by anna shane 2008-02-16 09:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann is a commentator, right?

mediaFreeze wrote:

["He is certainly a commentator, but he also presents his opinions as facts. It is one thing to say: "This is my opinion." It is another to say: "This is how it is." ]

And why can't he make his writing better, smarter, while presenting his commentary?

It's one thing to take an opinion against Clinton, that is any one's right, but when it comes off as "My Mom was mean to me, and this is how I whine, I attack women who don't pander to me, and btw, does my ass look big on TV?" he's just another emotionally stunted loser with inferior reasoning, another one of those dysfunctional political idiots.

And we already have enough of those men and women, this is what we were supposed to be changing, to improve our quality of government, smarter politicians.

Really, how are you going to use this locker room thinking, common to Bush and Obama, how do you use this method against a Putin, are you going to teach Putin about propaganda, fight Putin with Howard Stern's reasoning, say, the self referential, would be hip, cool, woman hating, porn loving party boi?

No thanks, I'll take a Madeline Albright, a Joe Biden or a Wes Clark, thank you, we have enough John Boltons. Albright, Biden and Clark understand the need for reasoned, brilliant diplomacy, let the others play the locker room games, specious, self-hating thought doesn't keep America safe,  it doesn't win wars, and hopefully, it will no longer win Presidential campaigns, either.

by Marsha1 2008-02-16 12:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann is a commentator, right?

This is the real difference, as you point out.

News has morphed into entertainment and as such, objectivity and impartiality go out the window,

KO is just another opinionmeister pretending to give us news.

News is easier found on the BBC.  The Media is so corrupted that getting unvarnished straight reporting of facts is almost impossible to find.

The big corporations control the message and present this as news. GE and Murdoch,et al have propped up Bush, and now it's Obama.

The public lynching of Hillary Clinton is a national disgrace and says heaps about prejudice,preference, and propoganda.  

by morris1030 2008-02-16 02:02PM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

I have never understood the fascination with Olbermann .

His politics is not appealing to me , I watched his show once and that was it.

Msnbc has been off my subscription list for like 6 months now.

I remember like August last year when I was calling MSNBC and NBC , obama's channel , it hadn't caught on then.

by lori 2008-02-16 08:04AM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

To answer your question, nothing is wrong with Olbermann. This is a typical right-wing talking point, the MSM is for or against this candidate, etc. This diary is O'Reilly-like. If you are a Democrat and you don't like MSNBC, then you should confine yourself to this echo chamber website.

OBAMA08

by Lawdawg 2008-02-16 08:08AM | 0 recs
HUH?!

How is this diary "O'Reilly-like"? Or are you just throwing adjectives around to try to discredit what's a good critique of MSNBC? So what, we're no longer allowed to say anything short of awesome praise of everything on MSNBC?

Gimme a break. I may have liked Olbermann, but not even he is infallible. I used to like his "special comments", but it's pitiful how he's falling into the same pit of Hillary-bashing that just about everyone else at his network do nonstop. We don't appreciate MSNBC pretending to be "fair & balanced" while promoting its own agenda in the same way Fox does.

by atdleft 2008-02-16 08:20AM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

"O Reilly"-like is the supporters of a certain candidate accusing anyone who does not LOVE their canddiate of being right wingers. The MSM does attack Hillary by a large margin, it's been documented in several non-partisan studies.  Of course, that's when she gets a mention at all!  Men still control the media, corporations still control the media. End of story.

Have any of the Obama fans asked themselves WHY the likes of Nedra Pickler and Ron Fournier and Beth Fouhy of AP are suddenly fawning over your candidate to an embarrassing level? (all three of them have a history against Democrats so putrid that several hard-core left blogs proclaimed "Write like Nedra Pickler Day" during the last General Election, because of her savage treatment of Gore and Kerry, in favor of Bush)  

Have you wondered WHY the MSM, which is always right-leaning, runs only flattering stories of your candidate?  Do you think it's because they're fans?  Or do you think that 1) They're Hannah Montanna-ing him by pushing this rock star thing because the Brittney Spears story has turned tragic?  2) Since they took marching orders for the last few elections from the GOP that they want Obama to get the nod because they KNOW McCain will trounce him when they start talking "terror" 24/7 in the General Election?  3) Oh, and that in the case of 1 or 2, the media will delight in tearing him down because in the case of 1 it'll make for more manufactured news, and in the case of 2, gets the result they were working on in the first place. If you think that the MSM is above taking marching orders from the Repubs on which candidate to help into the General Election, you're just soooo naive.

by Catriley sez 2008-02-16 09:01AM | 0 recs
The man who is...

single-handedly saving the democracy? As Dan Patrick called him. It WAS pretty obnoxious and it made Bush supporters love him even more, which is what he's to doing Hillary supporters now.

He's really still just a sports announcer IMO.

by JimR 2008-02-16 08:10AM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

Check out this cartoon (and the slurs in this cartoon are mild in comparison to what Hillary, as a female candidate for president, faces daily):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opi nions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_main.html

I am sorry to hear this about Olbermann.  The thing I don't understand, and this applies to any enterprise whose audience is primarily liberals:  why alienate half of your potential audience?  All the polls are showing the race for Democratic candidate is neck and neck.  So there is undeniably a large number of Hillary supporters out there.

If the Hillary windblock falls, I hope Obama and the people who knocked her down are ready.  She's been bearing the brunt of the cold blasts thus far.

by Larissa 2008-02-16 08:34AM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

Sorry, here's the link to the 1/9/08 cartoon:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opi nions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_main.html? name=Toles&date=01092008&type=c

by Larissa 2008-02-16 08:36AM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

Excellent point about alienating half of his audience. I have no issue with those that support the other candidate in the Democractic primary, but I am taking names of those public figures that attack my candidate, like KO.

WHy is it impossible for people like KO who support Obama to actually talk about specifics of WHY he'd be a great choice, instead of trashing Hillary?? I thought that was what we hated about Karl Rove and Lee Atwater?  Makes you wonder about that candidate...

by Catriley sez 2008-02-16 08:51AM | 0 recs
Olbermann is a Kossak now

and posts there regularly.  That probably means he sees the rec list and thinks that to be a kwel kid, he has to now join their ranks.

by sgary 2008-02-16 01:12PM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

Hmmm.. kudos to your wife!  I have watched the required Youtube videos of Keith, when he has gone on one of his more memorable tangents against Bush/Cheney, and enjoyed his point of view.  I was always a bit uncomfortable watching him though, he gives me that "i'm sort of embarrassed for you" feeling when I watch. It's like watching a bad stage play of a one-man Edward R. Murrow monologue.  Or maybe a skit by Steve Allen in which Keith pulls his glasses off and mugs into the camera at the end.  

I'm thoroughly disappointed to hear that he's attacking Hillary Clinton. We all have to remember that Keith has jumped the shark and is about theatrics now... and who better to appeal to that sense of theatrics than a  "rock star" candidate.  KO is in a tax bracket we can only dream about... heck, he might even vote republican for all we know.

by Catriley sez 2008-02-16 08:46AM | 0 recs
Fantastic diary, MediaFreeze!

Could sit here and REC it all day. How absolutely discerning and sharp. This is what many Hillary supporters have been saying for months now, to no avail.

I'm a former MSNBC watcher. But after supporting Edwards until he suspended his campaign, then going to Hillary, I see this network's gameplan--and it doesn't bode well for us Dems next Fall. Obama is a pop idol most certainly elevated to his status by the profuse and famwningly favorable round-the-clock coverage of his candidacy.

Olbermann satus: Evicted temporarily (until he learns to give HRC a fair shake)
Chris Matthews: Permanently banned
David Shuster: Shit-lister
Tucker Carlson: Am awaiting delivery of customized voodoo doll from Haiti in his likeness.

by Mariel 2008-02-16 08:59AM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

Wait... you support Hillary because the media don't like her?  

Does that make sense to anyone else?

by seand 2008-02-16 09:00AM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

HRC is KO's home senator. He loves her, and defended her thru much of 07. When the HRC tactics started to get to be too much for him he would point them out. Last nite was another example..he could not stomach her dismissal of democratic activists and non-HRC states.

He was pointing out the stupidity of these stances not really being critical of HRC herself.
It was bad politics. If HRC wants to be president, she needs to be smarter.
Craig Crawford has been an HRC supporter thruout and a fixture on KO's show. Now, he is MIA..Crawford will not come on when HRC is listing. He cannot bear being positive about Obama.

by hawkjt 2008-02-16 09:00AM | 0 recs
lost me

Olbermann lost me when he went to attacking Lou Dobbs.  That is a very well know, orchestrated campaign by La Raza, the SEIU and other interest groups.  Because I blog on labor issues, let's just say I am very aware of this because I too was asked to blast Lou Dobbs.

Well, you know what, a Journalist taking their marching orders from these special interest groups who want their open borders, no limits at all, no enforcement at all on immigration policy agenda..
is no journalist.  I'm sorry but that is just as much propaganda as FAUX news and I won't watch him anymore.

by Robert Oak 2008-02-16 09:11AM | 0 recs
Re: lost me

i'm actually sympathetic to attacks on lou dobbs. but leaving the substance of that issue aside, i agree that what is troubling is a sort of pre-fab journalism. could you give more details on what you were lined up to do? and good on you for refusing to so, even if I disagree with you on this one.

by CalDem 2008-02-16 10:06AM | 0 recs
To Do list

Ya know, firstly people need to realize that "Comprehensive Immigration reform" was written by the US Chamber of Commerce.  People think it's all about pathway to citizenship and it plain wasn't.

They were especially targeting professional workers for labor arbitrage for this is where they get the most cost savings on labor.  STEM occupations are very labor intensive.

ok, basically They wanted people to write blogs, articles, op-eds claiming Lou Dobbs is a racist xenophobe, they are specifically targeting Lou Dobbs because he is the most effective opposition to these bills.  The US Chamber of Commerce has launched previous campaigns against him when he reported on offshore outsourcing daily, so they really want him to shut up.  

If you noticed only then did you see a bunch of crap like that popping up all over the blogs as well as Olbermann.  I mean come on, the US Chamber of Commerce has an agenda item and supposedly Progressive independent thinkers just jump on board?  I don't think so.

La Raza and the SEIU are in bed with the US Chamber of Commerce on this issue.

Now you can object to Lou if you want to but this isn't about "amnesty" this agenda they have, it's about labor, policy, statistics and they do not want this stuff out there, period.

Mexico also has a vested interest in having open borders, they get billions in remittances it's next to Oil in terms of revenues.

Well, Lou Dobbs happens to cover many other issues such as trade, labor, safety, deficits and so forth which is another reason they don't want that information out there.

He broke the Dubai Ports deal which generated so much outrage they had to delay the selling off of US critical assets to Dubai for a period.

by Robert Oak 2008-02-16 11:41AM | 0 recs
Re: lost me

I think Dobbs gets attacked way too much for his common sense talk on immigration reform. I dont like some of his viewpoints, but are we going to bash KO so much if he gets on your wrong side based on one or two issues? A lot of opinionated people will have boneheaded opinions , no matter how good they are. I dont stop watching Maher even though sometimes he tends to be very muddied in this thought process one or two shows  a year.

I am just amazed how much shit Olbermann is getting. This is the same Olbermann for the last 10 years? And only now, some of you object because this time his target is your person? I can't wait to see Cafferty getting bashed here mercilessly once he takes on either Hillary or obama.

I have noticed in many areas where Hillary supporters have started thinking the opposite of what they thought in the past - polls, KO, third party voting. One could say it is just a coincidence that new members to MYDD just happen to think differently from past members who were Hillary supporters. But come on. In so many areas? All of a sudden, we see so much difference in the average opinion in all of these areas?

by Pravin 2008-02-16 10:25PM | 0 recs
Have you visited dkos lately?

Talk about thinking the opposite of what they thought in the past. There was never such vile disgusting things written about the Clintons there before.

Btw, Jack Cafferty has already drank the holy water.

by JimR 2008-02-17 05:18AM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

I don't watch MSNBC anymore either. This GOP strategy of dividing the democratic party is genius. I can't believe how effectively Obama "supporters" have infected the democratic party with anti-hillary and anti-clinton speech.

Remember when we used to love Bill because of what he did to restore the economy and leave us with a peace-surplus? Sure, we had the things we didn't like about Bill, and things we wished had been better -- but we'd been out of the Whitehouse for 8 awful years and he managed to get us back in and to do some good...actually even great things.

I can see being for Obama, that's fine. But, the fact the democratic party has allowed and fostered Hillary hate tells me that something bigger than picking the best candidate is going on -- something far more sinister. All this GOP support for Obama will go away if he is able to pull off extorting the nomination from superdelegates, and the democratic party will be bitterly divided. (You see, all the inflammatory, unbalanced Hillary hate hurts her supporters as well.)

There's still time though for democrats to remember that Hillary is a good person who has been fighting for health care, and the poor and disenfranchised for a long time, and she'll keep at it. She will be the greatest president we've had (better than Bill) if we only wise up and don't ruin the opportunity.

by seattlegonz 2008-02-16 09:17AM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

The media didn't 'make Obama'. It was just a month ago that they were crowning Hillary, calling her an unstoppable force. Barack wasn't Black enough, wasn't aggressive enough and his backers where loosing patience.

But just as he has done with the electorate Obama has come from behind to seize the initiative from Hillary who started with an incredible advantage. Manipulating the media and controlling the narrative of your campaign is crucial to winning. I love Al Gore but both he and Kerry sucked at it and it hurt them badly.

Hillary's failure to maintain her advantage in the media spin cycle is just another proof that Obama is better prepared for the GE. You don't keep control of the media message by crying about how unfair the media is, you have got to get ahead of the media sheep and have the better story. These guys are not in  the news business they are in the entertainment business and they will go which ever way the wind blows all parroting in unison the story and soundbyte that will sell.

McCain the maverick, Kerry the flip flopper, Bush the guy you could have a beer with. etc, etc,.

by hankg 2008-02-16 09:26AM | 0 recs
Wow...well said.

"You see, if they make you, they can break you. They didn't make Clinton. She has risen despite their best efforts to drag her down. Obama has been created by the media. He needs the media and they will not be there for him in the fall. Well, I guess Keith Olberman may be there in the fall. But, his will be a lonely voice."

by Shazone 2008-02-16 09:38AM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

Obama will live by the media and then die by the media in the general.

by bdog 2008-02-16 10:11AM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

So will every other candidate. Ask Kerry and Gore.

by hankg 2008-02-16 10:30AM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

well it is going for many months now he became an
Obama whore, the same way as Mr. Markos Moulitsas
 Zúniga an Obama whore for a while.
They all going as a gang against her and behaving literally as as part of Obama team.

It reminds me very much time when they all united in 2004 against Dean. Since than I did not watch MSNBC
 except Olbermann, because he was only in Mass Media telling truth against Bush. But  I stopped watching
 even in October, when he started to show how anti-women he is and when I noticed that he is
 unreasonably against Hillary.

He is just as crook now as Chris Mathews.

by WeNeed3rdParty 2008-02-16 10:40AM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

I applaud Keith Olbermann for fighting the good fight, but hope he realizes that a more dignified method of making his point might be more effective and persuasive. If he is alienating otherwise sympathetic viewers, such as your wife, he must be doing something wrong.

I do not agree he's biased against Clinton. His coverage of her has sometimes been disparaging because her campaign tactics have sometimes warranted a negative response. The people on MyDD who attack him for his alleged anti-Clinton bias appear to me to be unobjective pro-Clinton zealots.

by wolff109 2008-02-16 10:44AM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

It's amazing how people don't "like" Keith Olbermann now that he's gone from kissing Clinton's ass, to kissing Obama's.  

by dlh77489 2008-02-16 11:42AM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

Actually, I stopped liking KO when his book came out and we were subjected to endless references to how it was doing on Amazon.  Pathetic.

by newhorizon 2008-02-16 07:59PM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

What's wrong with Keith Olbermann? Well we Democrats were so upset about living in the George Bush regime we collectively bought us a guard dog called Keith Olbermann, we liked his bark, we liked his bite, we rewarded him with watching Countdown, raising his profile and ratings. Now that Bush is no longer relevant, Keith, our guard dog, needs other things to, well, attack. That's what we bought him for? Do we know why some Dogs go crazy at the sight of some people? Like those Pitbull stories where random victims are attacked, we will never really quite know why has Keith decided to sink his teeth into Hillary.  There is something a little unhinged about Keith Olbermann's aggression, granted we bought him to go after conservative Repbulicans but now, having tasted blood, he is savaging the nearest Democrat. Its a bit dissapointing really, like having your pet Alsatian go after your toddler or wife.

Anyway, let's face it Keith's schtick is beginning to get old, he's beginning to chase his rhetorical tail. Maybe he realizes this and thinks that if he has a new Hillary chew toy we won't realize that the words all blur, they sound clever, but they say the same thing day in, day out. Like an overgrown Alsatian, Keith has been let loose at MSNBC and feels he can attack whomever he wants. Where oh where is the dog whisperer when we need him.

by superetendar 2008-02-16 11:44AM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

Not long ago, like 2 years, we were hungry for anyone on the networks, cable on free, who would criticize Bush. Olberman did, and still does, and I appreciate that fact.

We'll all need each other--Obama supporters, Clinton supporters, Edwards' Dems, Biden Dems, Kucinich Dems,disgusted with the Dems Dems, and even Keith Olberman--after the nomination is over.  

by ft 2008-02-16 12:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Once you catch a guy you Trust in a LIe

Dan Abrams is their boss.

by MediaFreeze 2008-02-16 01:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Abrams was replaced months ago

Olbermann is the one known not to listen to anyon on the network. I dont know where the hell you get off accusing him of being their toady. If you want to criticize him for his show, that's different.

As far as Dan Abrams, he was made the head over there. Would he fire himself????

by Pravin 2008-02-16 03:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Phil Griffin replaced Abrams as GM

Abrams has not been any more liberal than Olbermann on MSNBC. Maybe he is outside. I have seen both shows a lot( at least Abrams show before he was made head, not after he got his show back).

You dont know what the fuck you are talking about  when you accuse Olbermann of listening to his bosses.

by Pravin 2008-02-16 07:13PM | 0 recs
Hmmmm....

 This is the period when it became obvious that Daily Kos has been massively infiltrated by the right wing.

If true, they will sing tributes to the mighty Rove.  I would not doubt it though...

by MediaFreeze 2008-02-16 07:27PM | 0 recs
What's apparently wrong is that he doesn't agree

with you.

by Teaser 2008-02-16 12:45PM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

He wants the Republicans out.  Bottom line.  Clinton is nominated, and the Republicans have another 8 year lock on the presidency, and half century in the Supreme Court.

by Drummond 2008-02-16 12:49PM | 0 recs
Obama is nominated and you'll

have a mass exodus from the Democratic party.

by JimR 2008-02-17 05:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is nominated and you'll

If that's the case, then maybe I don't belong in the Democratic Party.  That they would put their anger with Obama for defeating the crowned princess over a woman's right to choose, among many other things, then it's time to disband the party and start anew.

But I suspect you're wrong.

by Drummond 2008-02-17 10:41PM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

Well, I was pleased to have a voice in the media that was at the very least honest, and somewhat progressive.

But I never could understand the fawning over Olbermann or any other journalist. I admire some journalists very much, but don't turn them into icons.

But, progressives were so very hungry for a progressive voice, they fell in love with Olbermann for his "special comments." And, then they thought he'd always be on "their side."

Well, journalists are not on "your side." They are owned and operated by their corporate employees. They will do as their corporate sponsors tell them, or "allow" them, and that means the bottom line is always top priority.

What makes money gains power in the corporate media. Olbermann gained money for the MSNBC cable network; therefore he gained power at the corporate network.

That is it. Period. He's not on "your side." He's on HIS SIDE.

When contract time comes around, he's going to be pointing at numbers, not political philosophy, as his drawing card.

Screw Olbermann. I stopped watching him months ago. Not because he was anti-Clinton, but because his show started having more minutes of BRITTANY than he did NEWS.

Pop culture is not my cuppa tea. I want journalism, and Olbermann's show stopped giving it to me.

I can watch BBC, and McNeil/Lehrer, or get the news online.

by Tennessean 2008-02-16 01:55PM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

by Tennessean 2008-02-16 01:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Oops sorry for the repeat....

by Tennessean 2008-02-16 01:56PM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

Keith O is more disappointing than Mathews.
by BlueSea 2008-02-16 03:03PM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

add me to the chorus of voices that are done with Olbermann.  He is a disappointment to me in that in the past even if his tone was immature, he seemed to take people to task when they deserved it.  During the primary he has obviously taken sides and along with his lame diaries on Kos has become an embarrassment.  

by atomic garden 2008-02-16 03:30PM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

I actually dont think the diary writer is being insincere. But it is really something when anything is getting recommended these days.

First of all, Olbermann does not use the typical tactics of the right. Whatever you accuse him of, there is probably something to it because I am a meanie like you too and I endorse what he does. However, where the right has gone overboard is in the outright lying or semi lying they engage on a regular basis. Or the misattribution of motives of the other side like when they accuse the left of wanting America to lose every war. What you accuse Olbermann of, it is not comparable to what the right does.

So if someone wants to make a case that Olbermann shows bias and can be smug a lot, I will not say they are totally out of line. But this is what many pundits - left and right - are guilty of. Ever go to a leftist meeting in college where they will bully others who won't agree with their opinion? We see here it on MYDD and other liberal blogs where people can stick so rigidly to certain policy plans because they think they know it all and the others are just stupid people.

But this diary does not make a case for the right wing comparison. I dont blame the diary writer. But I blame the people who will recommend anythig in desperation to get another diary attacking MSNBC out there on the recommend list.

So accuse Olbermann of being smug and criticise him for other things like what is a mostly baseball guy doing on Sunday Night Football.
Do not spread the word that somehow he is remotely comparable to the FOX nuts or some of the extreme MSNBC or CNN Headline news wackos.

by Pravin 2008-02-16 03:36PM | 0 recs
So who do the Clintonites here like on TV?

CNN:
Anderson Cooper? The guy was wondering why Democrats were abandoning Lieberman over one issue when the fact wsa lieberman was bitter over the Democrats on that one issue alone. But no, he doesn't mention that. He acts like Lieberman has been tolerant of the anti war guys. OK seriously, I will not boycott Anderson based on some less than great moments because overall he is OK.

Cafferty: Yeah he is still good. But he doesant have his own show.

Dobbs: I actually dont find him as horrible as others on MYDD seem to find him. But still, come on. He is not better than Keith.

Glenn Beck? Enough said.

FOX NEWS: Forget Colmes. He is on a show where he plays hannity's bitch and he is tossed crumbs at times to defend the liberals.

Eric Burns was the only decent host on that network and guess what!???? He got fired recently without any good explanation.
So who is left to watch on FOX NEWS? O Reilly? No. Manuto? Creepy. John Gibson - pyscho! FOX's morning show? Those guys are even more clueless. Or the many FOX bimbos? HA HA HA.  Only if they pose for a News Calendar. Oh greta?? This legal mind does only trash topics and rarely addresses legal questions in anything not related to the murdeer of a white woman.

OK people. Are you going to boycott all news shows?

by Pravin 2008-02-16 03:51PM | 0 recs
Re: I also actually like Shep Smith but the NYT is

NYT??? Are you freaking kidding me? The same paper that hires Dowd, Safire, Brooks, Kristol. Let me say this again. Bill Kristol.

Let's not forget what a fuckup Judy Miller was. if the web didn't exist to crucify her, Judy Miller would still be powerful at NYT.

The same NYT that did such shoddy reporting during the war. Sure they still have a lot of good reporters.

by Pravin 2008-02-16 07:17PM | 0 recs
Re: NYT isn't perfect but Krugman ain't bad and

Admittedly along with the Wall street Journal, their reporters are superior to their editorial staff. But they still fucked up their reporting in the buildup to the biggest blunder in recent US foreign policy.

My point is not that one should give up reading NYT based on a blunder worse than anything KO has done.

by Pravin 2008-02-17 08:37AM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

MediaFreeze said "I'm sort of a meenie so I didn't really care and it was fun to see Fox News tactics used against the bad guys. But, now that I see how he is going after Clinton, I understand her point much better."

In other words, being mean to someone you don't like is okay. Real mature.

MediaFreeze also said "The last thing the corporations that own the media want is for a Democrat to win. They are getting away with too much that would end if a Democrat wins. They believe that they can beat Obama because they created him, but they are afraid of Clinton. They want to install Obama as the nominee so that they can pull the rug out from under him in the fall."

The corporations that own the media want profits, and profits come from ratings. The close race between Clinton and Obama helps their ratings. They want a close race to the election. Jeez.

Try to take it just a little more personally. The media is not only out to get Hillary; they're out to get you, too.

by OH Mark 2008-02-16 04:35PM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

They are indeed Mark.

by MediaFreeze 2008-02-16 07:32PM | 0 recs
Re: What truth? on Olbermann? HA!!

Seems like we are truly screwed.

Unless we soldier on.

A few ounces of truth can beat back oceans of lies.  Expose these bastards.

by MediaFreeze 2008-02-16 07:30PM | 0 recs
The dangers of untouchability

there are worse things than the press loving Obama now and going after him later -- like never holding him accountable at all, including as president.

We dug ourselves into this Bush dunghole because he untouchable post 9/11.  The press wouldn't dare say an unkind word about him -- have we all forgotten how the Whitehouse press corp sat on their hands and fawned over him no matter how many times he wiped his fanny with the Constitution?

The press ws complicite in the Bush reign of terror because it would have been deemed unpatriotic and too "edgy" to critique the president during time of war.  Remember that?

Now we have Obama the Untouchable.  For whatever reason -- race, popularity, his squeaky clean persona of Hope -- the press wouldn't dare go after Obama.  Will this necessarily stop in the fall, except on Fox?  Will it necessarily stop in January?

Or will Obama get the four year free ride in beautiful widescreen Camelot-vision where we have story after story of Obama the Peacemaker, Obama the Healer, Obama and his daughters and lovely wife bringing Youth and Hope to the Whitehouse.

Will the media dare to too closely examine a cultural icon? Will the press hold him accountable?  Because I think it's safe to predict the vast maority of his supporters won't.  Every flub will be unavoidable, every broken promise forgivable.  

I have absolutely zero confidence that a President Obama will be held accountable by the press or those who fought to elect him.  And that alone should scare the crap out of us all.

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-02-16 08:00PM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?


Keith O's smugess is as bad as Bill O's bullying.

Both are extreme and polar opposite in idealogy
but have quite similar tactics.

by BlueSea 2008-02-16 08:54PM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

I mean smugness

by BlueSea 2008-02-16 08:55PM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?
Why I dont post on ...mydd ...
Front page posts for folks like you.  Hillary is owned by the corporations for jimney'crickets - are you kidding me?  
You want to lose in November?  Go right ahead and continue shilling for the Clintons.  I am an Obama supporter who will vote McCain in a general.  Jefferson would flip in his grave if we had the same ruling families for 20 years!  
She HAS AN unfavorable rating of 46%, team.  SHE CAN NOT attract INDEPENDENT voters.  Unlike most of you DD clowns, I like to win.  
While having the lowest downside, Obama has the biggest upside.  I vote the thoroughbred.  
by stryan 2008-02-16 09:40PM | 0 recs
Re: What's wrong with Keith Olbermann?

I'm an Obama supporter, but your comment scares me.  You would guarantee that women lose the right to choose for two or three generations?  Because that's what's at stake in this election, more than your anger with Clinton or the prevailing MYDD anger with Obama.

by Drummond 2008-02-17 10:43PM | 0 recs
I'm with you Curtis.

I don't don't know what the fuck these people are thinking. I started a business in 1997 because of Bill Clinton's economic policies. I quit the Democratic party and became an independent in 1988 because they nominated Dukakis. But I've continued to vote for Democrats even though it hasn't been in my financial interest because of Bill Clinton. If they nominate this guy I'll not only vote for McCain I'll join the Republican party.

by JimR 2008-02-17 05:27AM | 0 recs
Re: in the 2nd paragraph, replace

OK, maybe I misunderstood your use of the word "operator". I stand corrected on that. It doesn't mean you are any less offbase. What makes you think Olbermann is not doing this because he really believes in this stuff?

So lay off the meds, and worry about the real issues instead of thinking everyone is out to get Madame Hillary.

by Pravin 2008-02-17 08:34AM | 0 recs

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