Updates from my PUMA safari

Update [2008-6-28 13:12:9 by McTrollop]:I am sorry this light effort made the rec list, but thanks!

I just returned from a free PUMA safari, and it was awesome. I found out that many on this safari were never really big supporters of HRC, and are now rationalizing their confusion with the New York Senator. I know I am going to get blasted . . . if anyone even reads this, BUT I do think it is important to cover all our bases in this election. That means keeping tabs on NQ, His44, and the new home for our favorite boycotter of DKOS. This is important, because if they are working against the idea of President Obama . . . then they are working for a President McCain.

Here are some samplings of what I bagged on the safari:

. . .I'm not done fighting for my party - not even close.  I will not let a bunch of thugs and bullies chase me away from something I've fought loyally and passionately for these past 35 years or more.

But unless Obama, Howard Dean and the rest of our so-called Party leadership wise up and make it clear that Hillary's name will be put up for nomination, and that a roll call vote WILL be held at our convention, they may find that more than 24% of us refuse to back Obama if he comes out of Denver as our nominee. . . . (Foreman)keeps talking about Hillary's loss in this election but last time I checked, we still need to make things official at a little thing called a convention in August.  Until then nobody's got this nomination locked down.- June 27-28

I know am bound to get some "ignore her" diary responses, yet I think this is important. The individual quoted above is extremely talented, and IMHO was the #1 advocate for HRC in the amateur netroots. I just wish this blogger that said she was "a life-long Yellow Dog Democrat and . . . always be a Democrat" would continue to use her skills to at least advocate against McCain, if not for Obama.

I am ready for my beating, but I thought I would leave you with an image of a PUMA getting radio-collared for it's own protection. Read about it here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4677182/

Tags: President McCain, PUMA, Recommended, taking my ball and going home, unity (all tags)

Comments

88 Comments

Flames, tips, snark . . .

:o)

by McTrollop 2008-06-28 08:35AM | 0 recs
I rec'd just for your username.

Funny diary too, though.

by Shem 2008-06-28 08:53AM | 0 recs
Re: I rec'd just for your username.

I am kind of embarrassed that it made the rec list.

=o}

by McTrollop 2008-06-28 09:03AM | 0 recs
For entertainment value

consider reading TexasDarlin on Obama's birth certificate.

It's really very funny - great self satire.

And to think she used to make the reclist here...

by fladem 2008-06-28 09:30AM | 0 recs
Re: For entertainment value

I had a debate with a lady the other day that swears Hawaii Birth certificates are illegitimate, because they do not have the Doctor's signature. UMMM OKAY?!

I was like . . . my kids BCs from AZ, IL, CA do not have Docs sig . . . those are on the unofficial hospital birth records.

by Veteran75 2008-06-28 09:34AM | 0 recs
Re: For entertainment value

Geez Veteran, I know it might be against the rules for me to say this, but I can't help but wonder what type of person has so many illegitimate children - and in so many states too!  I don't want to be judgemental, I'm just concerned that some of the dedicated & diligent pumy bloggers out there would use you as an example of the questionable moral rectitude of all Obama supporters. I worry about the number of deeply detailed darlin diaries that could be drummed up and doled out daily, all of them ferreting through the illegitimacy of your kids' unsigned records.  I despair that they'd then follow things to their logical conclusion and question how anyone with so many illegitimate children could possibly be considered a legitimate voter.  This would naturally lead to daily doses of dreadful data dumping on the dems.

by candidate D 2008-06-28 11:30AM | 0 recs
Re: For entertainment value

Yeah . . . those darn rugrats!

by Veteran75 2008-06-28 11:41AM | 0 recs
From a baby-mama of six

I have been married over half my life, but not to a close relative despite what Darth Vadar Cheney says about my maternal ancestor's state. The certificate is the official document registered with the government. The hospital one signed by the doctor will get you laughed at by the Gestapo (ne: DHS).

by ttmiskovsky 2008-06-28 02:59PM | 0 recs
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"last time I checked, we still need to make things official at a little thing called a convention in August.  Until then nobody's got this nomination locked down."

THIS IS GREAT NEWS FOR HILLARY!!! YES.  SHE.  WILL!

By the way, she's faking the whole 'I support Obama' crap.  She's gonna win this thing, mark my word.

by HardWorkingWhitePerson 2008-06-28 08:42AM | 0 recs
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Marked.

by FOB92 2008-06-28 08:45AM | 0 recs
What's up with your post?

Who is faking what? Maybe some clarification?

by Jeter 2008-06-28 01:35PM | 0 recs
more HRC strategizing

   Now the "demand" is to have her name put up for nomination. Out of respect, of course. The instant that happens, mark my words, the convention devolves into a floor fight. Her rabid supporters, numerically outnumbered and O-so heartfelt, will grab every spotlight they can, we'll be treated to Slick Willy attempting to wade back into it with his Elder Statesman routine, and they will all do their level best to negate as much post-convention bounce as possible, all with an eye on 2012. I know I'm not the only person here suffering from Clinton exhaustion...

by Kordo 2008-06-28 04:34PM | 0 recs
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The only purpose the worst of these folks serve at this point, frankly, is amusement.

If only there was some way to triage this so they couldn't infect others?  I'm not too worried about it, though.  The nuttier they get the less and less appealing they become.  As I've already demonstrated, the Republicans are having a hard time working with them.

So sad.  Rebels without a clue.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-28 08:44AM | 0 recs
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And no triage does not mean hurt or harm.  Just quarantine, I guess.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-28 08:48AM | 0 recs
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It can also mean to assess the level of injury, so treatment can be more efficient.

:o)

by FOB92 2008-06-28 08:54AM | 0 recs
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...from the french word meaning "to sort".

by fogiv 2008-06-28 09:42AM | 0 recs
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On in other words, of course it hurts, you're being screwed by an elephant.

by ttmiskovsky 2008-06-28 03:01PM | 0 recs
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Or rebels without a pause.

by venician 2008-06-28 02:36PM | 0 recs
That's a pretty puma pic. n/t

by sricki 2008-06-28 08:48AM | 0 recs
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I wish I'd gotten a screenshot, but the ad on the top of Alegre's Corner on Friday said it all...

...it was an ad for John McCain.

by ihaveseenenough 2008-06-28 08:50AM | 0 recs
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McCain's web people aren't stupid, apparently.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-28 08:52AM | 0 recs
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And still McCain shines - Just like polished gold!

I always knew she was a McCain plant from the get go.  All she did was cause confrontation and discord.  

by HardWorkingWhitePerson 2008-06-28 09:03AM | 0 recs
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I disagree . . . I think she does have a history of advocating progressive causes.

It is too bad she has taken her ball and gone home.

by Obamanaut 2008-06-28 09:09AM | 0 recs
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Alegre shines out like a stream of gold when all around is dark... like a stream of bat piss.

by vcalzone 2008-06-28 09:17AM | 0 recs
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OK, now I saw sricki's comment and feel bad. For the record, I only made this joke because I wanted to make the Monty Python reference. I don't like Alegre, but I don't hate her.

by vcalzone 2008-06-28 09:19AM | 0 recs
Yeah, I know a lot of people don't like her,

and I don't have much tolerance for PUMA. I just have a soft spot for alegre. I admired her work in the beginning. She lost perspective, and she's not doing what Hillary asked. But I know she loves Hillary, and unless I'm much mistaken, it's because Hillary pushed legislation that ended up helping her young son, who had some sort of disability. I can understand why she cares so much, though she's no longer helping her candidate.

by sricki 2008-06-28 09:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah, I know a lot of people don't like her,

I'm sure the diarist could of found a more inlammatory and funny quote from other PUMA's if he had wanted. Pagan Power and SusanHu are batshit INSANE. Universal is way beyond that. On a level of crazy and deranged all to himself.

Alegre is just run of the mill in this specific group and not top dog like she was before. Instead of being THE Hillary supporter she is just another PUMA. You can tell her by her writing that her heart is no in it.

Sad.

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-28 09:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah, I know a lot of people don't like her,

*no(t) in it.

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-28 09:56AM | 0 recs
Yes, it's very sad.

And I agree with you about TD, Universal, Pagan Power, and SusanHu. It's really only alegre I feel bad for. I just sense that this isn't the person she really is. She just got too caught up -- I've been there, too, though I got over it more easily. Then again, I didn't invest as much in Hillary's campaign as alegre did (and I mean her time more than money).

by sricki 2008-06-28 09:58AM | 0 recs
I wish....

I would love to have a serious conversation with someone like that. I just looked at her blog and the banner says something about "Hillary being heard... OUr voices being heard...."

I am genuinely confused by this. The underlying argument seems to be that Clinton voters should have more of a say than the rest of us. 1.25 votes to my one.

I genuinely want to know how people like alegre think they haven't been "heard". My first choice in a non-Gore primary was Edwards. He didn't get as many votes as Clinton and Obama.

by BlueinColorado 2008-06-28 11:27AM | 0 recs
Re: I wish....

I truly believe that all rationality has flown out the window and that no serious, reasonable conversation is possible with these folk. Maybe some will come to, some won't. I'm not worrying about it.

by batgirl71 2008-06-28 04:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah, I know a lot of people don't like her,

All these people who allegedly love Hillary don't seem to be doing much to help her pay her debts.

The pink Web site, for instance, didn't run Hillary's "send money" video, yet they're still selling $100 T Shirts to fill their own coffers.

What's with that?

by Bush Bites 2008-06-28 02:21PM | 0 recs
By the way, I do wish people

would leave alegre, in particular, alone. She's not a bad person. She's just hurting right now. I believe she will eventually do as Hillary asked and support Obama. We shouldn't laugh at her.

by sricki 2008-06-28 09:10AM | 0 recs
Re: By the way, I do wish people

No she won't.  Anyone still pushing the Larry Sinclair story deserves every bit of scorn possible.

by HardWorkingWhitePerson 2008-06-28 09:39AM | 0 recs
She is wrong, and lost...

But she's a decent person deep down. Decent people never deserve our scorn.

by sricki 2008-06-28 09:45AM | 0 recs
Re: She is wrong, and lost...

My only comment is that you are forgetting the number 1 rule of the primary: "decent" people can't support Hillary.  I know, I know, but seriously, that's how it still feels at times.

by emsprater 2008-06-28 03:55PM | 0 recs
Agree

It's TexasDarlin (oddly enough from SoCal) who has latched onto the birth certificate nonsense.  She and a small group of followers (dare I say cult?) seem to believe they are master sleuths digging out the truth about Obama.  I guess they're having fun but it's not a very productive hobby.

by GFORD 2008-06-28 09:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Agree

As long as they're happy, I guess.

by Bush Bites 2008-06-28 02:25PM | 0 recs
On one level, I agree with you.

But on another level she's working against the acknowledged presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party, and thus she is the opponent of Democrats.  Given that she still has some influence (albeit not nearly as much as she did when Sen. Clinton was still in the race), I think there's a level at which what she says needs to be countered.

Moreover, I think it's very easy for Clinton supporters (whether or not they support Obama now that he is the presumptive nominee) to not see the extent to which Alegre became a ringleader for a very offensive wing of Clinton supporters who continually trashed, in the most vile and insulting terms, not only Sen. Obama but also his supporters.  There's a lot of bad blood there, and the fact that she hasn't committed to supporting Obama as Sen. Clinton has simply confirms in the minds of many Obama supporters (whether rightly or wrongly) that she doesn't have the best interests of the Democratic Party or the progressive movement at heart.

In other words, Alegre chose early on in this campaign to become a figurehead for Clinton's supporters in general, and as such in the past few weeks has become a symbol for those Clinton supporters who have let their anger (whether well-placed or misplaced) over Sen. Clinton's not winning the nomination overwhelm their commitment to the Party and the cause of progressivism.

by mistersite 2008-06-28 11:59AM | 0 recs
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Gee, another diary calling out a Democract not yet ready, or ever ready, to support the presumptive Dem nominee.  Too much time on too many hands.  
BTW, show her this; I'm sure it will convince her to change her mind.
by ChitownDenny 2008-06-28 09:21AM | 0 recs
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I just read this, and I think the diary was praising her. I consider 'calling out' a term used for negative attacks. This was a fairly mild diary.

by Veteran75 2008-06-28 09:32AM | 0 recs
well

HOW CAN OBAMA UNITE THE COUNTRY IF HE CAN'T EVEN UNITE HIS OWN PARTY?

This is the 2008 Swiftboat. Ignore at your own peril.

by Is This Snark 2008-06-28 09:35AM | 0 recs
And a silly little meme it is.

Seeing as this isn't the 1860's and we're not trying to recover from the civil war.

by GFORD 2008-06-28 09:47AM | 0 recs
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I pop in to those sites once in awhile just to see how exponentially the crazy quotient has increased.  It never fails to be both alarming and amusing.

Sometimes, you learn a little about trolls.  I'm relatively certain some of our favorite resident trolls are from the PUMA rank and file.

For example, everyone remember CoyoteCreek?  Over on Alegre's site, she freely admits to having at least two sock puppet accounts here at MyDD.  I identified one as Shainzona.

by fogiv 2008-06-28 09:51AM | 0 recs
Digging for quotes in the comments section

Anybody want to play?

Comment by ---------'- ---- | 2008-06-28 12:15:08

Bitter wasn't such a negative word until Barack used it to describe all of middle America.

Irony.

  Comment by ----------- | 2008-06-28 12:10:04

I want to know who's holding the media's leash now? I know it's not the DNC. Which dark forces cooked this Manchurian candidate? Seems it goes beyond "let's get rid of the Clintons" and I want to know who's behind this.

Crazy.

Comment by ----- | 2008-06-28 12:44:59

"Bill Clinton must go all out for Obama, because if he doesn't the Clinton legacy will be irreparably damaged."

These journalists are turning into dumber idiots each passing day. What is it about the Kool-Aid that makes Obama supporters lose all their common sense and their integrity? I read with horror the stuff that spew forth from people like Eugene Robinson and can't help feeling glad that I did not drink the Kool-Aid.

Heh.

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-28 10:10AM | 0 recs
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Are these on her new site?

by Veteran75 2008-06-28 10:16AM | 0 recs
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Sorry, I have a hard time sympathizing with "progressives" or "Democrats" who refer to Democratic US Senators as "Barky" like these pieces of garbage do. And people like Texas Darlin, Pagan, Alegre are just scum, nothing more, nothing less, they play upon people's fear to get web hits, sick!!!

by Dog Chains 2008-06-28 10:25AM | 0 recs
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While my sentiments are not as strong as yours . . . I do agree with this:

"Make decisions based on hope and possibility. . . Don't ever make decisions based on fear." - Michelle Obama

by Veteran75 2008-06-28 10:31AM | 0 recs
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well, "Barky the Darky" is better tha those other favorites of PUMA Progressives, "Obamaroid" and "Odinga"

by wrb 2008-06-28 11:21AM | 0 recs
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Why the troll rating for relaying, not endorsing, their terms?

by wrb 2008-06-28 05:00PM | 0 recs
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It seems like Alegre is having a difficult time reconciling the reality of Obama's inevitable nomination with her fantasy that Hillary is still running.

Last time I checked, we still need to make things official at a little thing called a convention in August.  Until then nobody's got this nomination locked down.

Alegre,  Sat Jun 28, 2008

I will say one thing - he's an even bigger fool than I could ever have imagined if he doesn't choose Hillary as his running mate.

Alegre,  Fri Jun 27, 2008

I wonder how she would react if Obama offered Hillary a VP slot before August. Would she be excited for a unity ticket? Or would she blast Obama for presuming he's already the nominee?

by jdusek 2008-06-28 10:35AM | 0 recs
Considering how well Obama is doing...

the Pumas need to be encouraged to keep doing whatever it is they do since it apparently helps him.

by planetwave 2008-06-28 10:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Considering how well Obama is doing...

Yep, there movement needs to be infiltrated by Barr/Paul followers. Any discussion of voting for McCain only exposes his campaign's blatant pandering to the PUMAs.

by Veteran75 2008-06-28 10:42AM | 0 recs
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What does PUMA stand for please?

by Perfektion 2008-06-28 10:57AM | 0 recs
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Petulant Uninformed McCain Army?

Seriously though, I think they officially changed their name to UMA a few days ago.  It's much cooler to have a celebrity in their movement, plus they don't have to rely on old nature videos to make their video clips.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-06-28 11:05AM | 0 recs
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Is this true?  Because Uma is an Arabic word.  It's usually used to describe solidarity between Muslims.

Stupid people.

by enozinho 2008-06-28 11:57AM | 0 recs
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Party Unity My Ass

I wish the cougars could sue

by BlueinColorado 2008-06-28 12:06PM | 0 recs
What does PUMA stand for please?

1. P, Uma!

The actress was instructed to provide a urine sample.

2. PU, Ma!

There is an unpleasant smell in here, Mother.

3. Pum, a?

An arcane Canadian observation of some sort. Possibly French.

4. Puma.

A species in decline.

by xdem 2008-06-28 12:14PM | 0 recs
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"Party Unity My Ass". Really.

by skohayes 2008-06-28 02:10PM | 0 recs
Good post, ridiculous comments.

nuff said.

by easyE 2008-06-28 11:46AM | 0 recs
Re: What a surprise

Same fucking deadenders on Alegre's Corner that have been ignored over here.  Now I need a couple of showers with bleach.

by LtWorf 2008-06-28 12:42PM | 0 recs
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I'm very proud to be a PUMA. I won't vote for Obama if only to make Olbermann and Matthews cry on election night.

by handsomegent 2008-06-28 01:11PM | 0 recs
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Wow.  You're really voting in order to get some talking heads to cry?

You're an insult to Hillary Clinton, you know?

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-28 01:28PM | 0 recs
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As a VERY strong Clinton supporter and contributor, I think I can be the judge of that.  HRC is going along to be a good sport. Maybe she will forgive and forget but Millions of her supporters will not forget the insults and slights of this campaign. Our only recourse to to cast a protest vote or to stay home.

by handsomegent 2008-06-28 01:48PM | 0 recs
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Electing someone that's spent their entire career working against everything Hillary cares about is an absolutely disgusting betrayal of her.

by Whash 2008-06-28 02:08PM | 0 recs
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You could also pull your head out of your ass, but maybe that's just my "sanity" talking.  You know how that is.

Maybe she took her own advice and accepted the fact that politics is a full-contact sport.

"Millions" you say?  Millions?

Hahahahahaha.  You keep telling yourself that.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-28 02:10PM | 0 recs
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HRC is going along to be a good sport.

Hillary isn't going along to be a good sport, she's supporting Barack Obama because the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

You can act like spiteful children and vote against your own self interests the way Republicans do, or you can help us win.
It's up to you.

by skohayes 2008-06-28 02:15PM | 0 recs
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Millions? Try the few hundred sad pieces of crap who visit these sites.

If anything, your blatant lunacy has driven a few thousand to support Obama out of fear of being associated with you.

by IsaccBurn 2008-06-28 02:17PM | 0 recs
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20% plus of Clinton voters equals millions in my book.  I can tell you even anecdotally that I know several longtime Democrats who will not vote for Obama.  The media loves to marginalize us but we won't go away.

by handsomegent 2008-06-28 02:56PM | 0 recs
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Odd, I once knew several long time Democrats who became Republicans after the Civil Rights Act.

Did they switch back before you met them?

by emsprater 2008-06-28 03:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Millions?

dozens, actually

by xdem 2008-06-28 09:02PM | 0 recs
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Glad you'll show those darn media celebrities!

I've got the radio turned on. President McCain is about to give his first press conference after his inauguration earlier in the week. They're saying he's planning on talking about his legislative initiative for the first hundred days, but that's okay.

I mentioned I'm driving; it's expensive. Gas prices are now over five bucks a gallon and going higher. McCain in his inauguration announced a bold new initiative to lower gas prices -- building a long-term base in Iraq, near the border with Iran.

Ther's nothing better than getting back at the people who made your life a living hell.  Jam it to them, I say!

Hey, if my son will be fighting age during McCain's tenure, so what?  I'm OK with nursing him for the rest of his life when he gets our of Walter Reid with the bullet still lodged in his brain.  Every parent likes the idea of their children never leaving home, and if it makes Olberman suffer then so be it!

The press conference comes on. The first question is about reports that one of the liberal members of the Supreme Court is in poor health and is about to retire. McCain wishes the justice well, and promises to seek a replacement that is in keeping with the constitutional traditions of the country.

I figure he means someone to the right of Roberts and Alito. Something like that.

My daughters will go through puberty during the McCain era, but it's all good.  Young parenthood teaches tough lessons that will serve them well in life, and as one of the fortunate who will probably be able to afford the short trip to Mexico we can still get an abortion if we need it.  The instruments will probably be sterile, anyway.

Anything to make Matthews cry, is what I say! Got get'em, you Handsome Gent, you!

Maybe in part because of my apathy, John McCain won the November election.

But that's okay -- because I sure showed Barack Obama.

And now he's the one paying the price.

Frickin' A!

Hey, and if I run into you on the street and we get to talking and realize we discussed this, here, way back when, and I snap under the realization that you actively worked to leave Donna and I to spoon feed our son into our elderly years, that you labored to let our daughter bleed to death in a Tijuana back-alley "clinic", that you strove to leave our surviving daughter to drop out of school to work in a McDonald's to help her parent's pay their bills - it will be nothing to pay for the joy of seeing those media folks blush with the realization of how foolish they were.  I'll probably get out in a few years and can get back to helping Donna change Damien's diapers again, anyway.

God damn that Obama Man.

At any price.

-chris

by chrisblask 2008-06-29 05:37AM | 0 recs
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Chris,

rack this one up . . . it is CLASSIC!

;-)

by Veteran75 2008-06-29 06:17AM | 0 recs
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brainless spineless lemmings of the far left

you resemble your enemy neo cons on the right

just as sad and just as stupid!!

PUMAS will PICK the PRESIDENT!
Watch!Learn!Listen!
kids

by CarolinaDawn 2008-06-28 01:52PM | 0 recs
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We're not the ones voting for more wars and four more years of George Bush, are we?
Talk about stupid.

by skohayes 2008-06-28 02:18PM | 0 recs
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LOL, sure.

If a few hundred internet trolls with psychological conditions couldn't PICK the NOMINEE, you're not going to PICK the PRESIDENT. Too many relatively sane people for you to be relevant.

The only thing you guys PICK now is your own wounded dignity as you spiral into ever further depths of self-inflicted public ridicule.

by IsaccBurn 2008-06-28 02:19PM | 0 recs
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Sometimes "dignity" is all we have left. Obama lost my vote with the Annie Oakley, Sixshooter remark.

by handsomegent 2008-06-28 02:58PM | 0 recs
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He had your vote up to then, though, huh?

And then he had the gall to compare one woman to another, and that pushed you over the edge?

by jdusek 2008-06-28 03:25PM | 0 recs
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What the hell is wrong with Annie Oakley?  She was a strong-willed woman that competed and excelled in a man's arena at a time when women were expected to be subservient.  Go take your sexism elsewhere.

by Can I Haz Moar Snark 2008-06-28 04:21PM | 0 recs
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guess you are a hard working white person.

Who can't shoot

by wrb 2008-06-28 05:05PM | 0 recs
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Interesting post I just read at the WA PO (and haven't independently verified).  Doesn't seem unlikely though. Dirty tricks R Rove

"It's funny how these so called "fierce" Clinton supporters never gave a dime to her campaign. Go to the FEC website and do a search for Diane Mantouvalos's contributions. Nada.

Try a search for Darragh Murphy, founder of PUMA PAC, and what do you find? Surprise! The only donation she has ever made was to John McCain ($500 in 2000).."

by wrb 2008-06-28 02:48PM | 0 recs
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I gave HRC 500 dollars, too bad you couldn't look me up.

by handsomegent 2008-06-28 02:58PM | 0 recs
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You are missing the context, which was unclear.

"Fierce Hillary supporters" was a clumsy choice of phrase by the writer, when what he was talking about was lead organizers of this PUMA thing.

He or she was suggesting that they might just be McCain operatives, not that Hil didn't have genuine fierce supporters.

by wrb 2008-06-28 03:05PM | 0 recs
You know .....

if we all stopped the talk and the comments about them and the 'safaris' over to 'visit' their sites, the 'pumas' would simply tumbleweed off into the sunset.

What good does it do us to spend so much time and energy on whining about a few folks who simply will not let go of the corpse?

by emsprater 2008-06-28 04:03PM | 0 recs
I only have one issue with PUMA et. al.

McCain? WTF? Even in my most deranged "I will never ever vote for Hillary Clinton" moments, I never ever considered voting for McCain. Not voting the top of the ticket or writing in Obama, yeah, but voting for McCain -- no frakkin way.

And not only do they talk about voting for McCain as a protest vote but they talk like they actually like and support him. This is where they totally lose me. There is absolutely nothing rational about these people right now.

by batgirl71 2008-06-28 04:35PM | 0 recs
One more thing...

Even in my wildest anti-Senator Clinton stages, I never relied on Counterpunch, World Net Daily, and other right-wing smear machines for my disinformation.

by batgirl71 2008-06-28 04:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Updates from my PUMA safari

Here's where you're wrong. Everyone over 18 gets a vote who wants one. They get theirs. You're talking about monitoring them? Who are you to do that? You vote for Obama. I'll vote for Obama, and they can vote for whoever they like. This is America. Give it a rest.

by NY Writer 2008-06-28 07:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Updates from my PUMA safari

WOw. Alegre's kind of crazy, isn't she? No one was stronger for HRC than I was, but Hillary conceded defeat.

by NY Writer 2008-06-28 07:16PM | 0 recs

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