Why won't Clinton denounce this

I do not see another diary on this, so thought I would throw up a quick one. If someone else beat me to it and this is a repeat, I apologize.

The North Carolina Republican party is running an attack ad against  Senator Obama and two North Carolina candidates for governor, Bev Purdue and Richard Moore.

The ad can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXxkctYRA ZQ

See what Olbermann and Rachel Maddow have to say about this here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJqvxntuF B0

Senator McCain has denounced the ad.  The National Republican Party has denounced the ad.  

So Why hasn't Senator Clinton denounced the ad?  It is inexcusable and very telling.

It is unnaceptable that Senator Clinton not speak out against this kind of unethical attack ad.  For months now her campaign had been trying to excuse their kitchen sink campaign tactics by repeating the mantra that they are only asking the questions that republicans will ask in the general election.

Many people are angry with the Clinton campaign for this thinly veiled excuse.  The simple fact is that her campaign is raising these issues, keeping them alive, and desperately clinging to them when no one else is.

When the republicans are doing a better job of defending democratic candidates, and remember, this smear campaign is not just leveled at Obama but at local candidates for governor as well, something is terribly wrong.  It proves that Clinton is not raising these issues because republicans will, but that she is doing so despite the fact that republicans won't.

So when any of Hillary's supporters want to know why some of us are so angry with her, this is a perfect example.  She is single handedly damaging not just Senator Obama but the party as a whole.

And if super delegates want yet another reason why every metric points to Obama as the better candidate for the party as a whole, look at who is standing behind Democratic candidates across the country and who isn't.  The choice is crystal clear.

Tags: clinton, Democrat, Election, Maddow, mccain, North Carolina, obama, Olbermann, Primary, Republican, Wright (all tags)



Re: Why won't Clinton denounce this

Because if she were, YOU would acuse her of doing it to raise the Wright issue again. Let's not forget, she's allways wrong.

by TaiChiMaster 2008-04-23 10:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Why won't Clinton denounce this

No, she is not wrong by default, or all the time.

She is wrong when she does things like remain silent in the face of issues like this.

I am not making her stay silent on this to score points on a post.  It is inexcusable for a candidate who claims to support the part to let Obama or these other candidates to be so unfairly attacked and not speak out against it.

by mattjfogarty 2008-04-23 10:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Why won't Clinton denounce this

Because we've told that Obama doesn't have to denounce Rhodes because he literally had nothing to do with it. A nationally known figure who has endorsed Obama, performed at a function for a radio station which has endorsed Obama, in an event organized by official Obama support groups for Obama supporters and advertised on a website provided by the Obama campaign called Clinton a fucking whore over and over and over again, while the Obama supporters laughed their ass off.

This is an created by the GOP on behalf of GOP candidates and you want her to denounce it? Obama can dish it out but he can't take it.

by Little Otter 2008-04-23 11:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Why won't Clinton denounce this

One, this is an attack primarily on TWO OTHER democratic candidates.  That is what is so bad here.  She is letting them swing in the breeze.

Two, there is a major difference between a shock jock and a republican party attack ad.

Three, see the diary about the RR episode.  In that I denounce the RR attacks and further go on to make a more accurate between the RR shock jock and Limbaugh's support of HRC, and defend Hillary by saying that she should not be equated to Rush's radio crap in favor of her any more than Obama should be equated to RR's crap in favor of him.

And four, you are making my point for me.  Rather than being concerned with FINALLY doing the right thing, especially for other democratic candidates, so many people here and elsewhere are more concerned with making more he-said she-said claims than confronting the truth and moving forward in a more positive note.

by mattjfogarty 2008-04-23 11:32PM | 0 recs
I agree with you....letting them hang sucks

by Jenai 2008-04-24 12:06AM | 0 recs
Re: I agree with you....letting them hang sucks

I know, it is literally making me sick to see it.  Attacking each other is bad enough, but I guess it is too late to put the genie (sp?) back in the bottle.

But letting them hang is exactly why the protracted primary is bad for the party.  This is real concrete proof that no honest person can deny.

by mattjfogarty 2008-04-24 12:13AM | 0 recs
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Great - when obama denounces Randi Rhodes, then you can hammer Clinton about this. In the meantime, this is one more example of two standards applying.

Then is Obama's doing - don't bitch about Clinton.

by Little Otter 2008-04-24 12:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Why won't Clinton denounce this

Read my comment directly above yours and then think about what your comment says.

Stop trying to drag this election into the mud.

Stop trying to excuse anything senator Clinton does.  My god, I could tell you she is strangling puppies and you would find reasons why it is the right thing to do.

by mattjfogarty 2008-04-24 01:55PM | 0 recs
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So, it's okay because you are supposing we'd act a certain way.


by ragekage 2008-04-23 10:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Why won't Clinton denounce this

"Because if she were, YOU would acuse her of doing it to raise the Wright issue again."

Of course they would attack her for bringing it up, this is exactly correct. It is disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

And it is is absurd to suggest, as this diarist does, that Republicans wouldn't run with this issue. Of course they will, over and over, in every state, until every single American is aware of Jeremiah Wright's defamation of America. McCain will always play "good cop" to the 527's "bad cop" and thereby keep his hands clean and avoid having his negatives go up.

by 07rescue 2008-04-23 11:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Why won't Clinton denounce this

First, it was not defamation of America. You are wrong and repeating it often enough does not make it right.  You, personally, are manufacturing this issue right along with republicans by trying to do so.

Second, it is disingenuous of you to attack Wright, but not all the other nut job preachers across this country who speak their madness without getting attacked with accusations of defamation. I know, as a gay man I have been listening to them call me a second class citizen for my entire life and get away with it with nary a peep from the majority of Americans.

It is astounding how many of you are happy to throw these democratic candidates under a bus to protect Hillary from doing the right thing.

And it is insulting how many of you keep telling me what I would do if she did do the right thing.  I constantly state my opinion without putting words in your mouths out of respect for different opinions. Just cause we obviously disagree doesn't mean I can tell what you will say or what you will do.  I am not interested in guessing what people will do, I want to see it.

If she spoke out now, despite being late, I would praise her, exactly the way I praised her when she finally started talking about party unity and admitting Obama was a better candidate than McCain and could easily beat McCain.

by mattjfogarty 2008-04-24 12:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Why won't Clinton denounce this

"You, personally, are manufacturing this issue right along with republicans by trying to do so."

There was intense defamation of the US in Jeremiah Wright's talk, whether you want to admit it or not. It wasn't just sound bites taken out of context, there was defamation and lies for the purpose of inciting outrage. I don't manufacture anything, it is right there on the videotape for you to see as well.

by 07rescue 2008-04-25 11:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Why won't Clinton denounce this

She doesn't need to denounce it because the ad was neither ran by her (or her party) nor does it attack her.  It's a race-baiting attack ad by the GOP against Barack Obama.  It requires no explanation from Hillary Clinton.  

by BPK80 2008-04-23 10:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Why won't Clinton denounce this

We didn't ask for an explanation. We figure she'd rail against a Democratic candidate being attacked through mischaracterization by the Republicans.

But, I guess if she doesn't mind Republicans slamming other Democrats when it benefits her, why speak out? Right?

by ragekage 2008-04-23 10:41PM | 0 recs

You know, if she thought it was OK . . . she would already be running it herself!

Geez.  I'm sure somebody will ask her, and she'll denounce it.  She might use it as a chance to get off a shot, and she might not, but I'm sure she will denounce it.

by Trickster 2008-04-23 11:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Ummm

Her campaign has had all day to respond.  They were asked.  Everyone else has already denounced it.  She still has not.

I seriously hope she still does.

by mattjfogarty 2008-04-23 11:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Why won't Clinton denounce this

I think she's making a mistake by not speaking up on it. The ad is out there and it will have its effect on voters so that's a win for her anyway both in terms of any damage it might do to his support in the state and it proves the central theme of her campaign. But by staying silent she is also proving the central theme of his campaign. He can now go around and say, "See? Look, this is exactly the kind of politics we are trying to change. Even John McCain and the Republican National Committee have spoken out against these deplorable tactics but Senator Clinton does not see the problem with them."

by Obama Independent 2008-04-23 11:51PM | 0 recs
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by Jenai 2008-04-24 12:06AM | 0 recs
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The Ad is supposed to run on monday...

Clinton will probably wait till late monday or even Tuesday (after its run a few times and done some damage) before she finally gets some ethics and says something.

Too little too late for the Democratic party though

by Winterblink 2008-04-24 12:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Why won't Clinton denounce this

She will have to speak out against it.  If she doesn't, and people look and see that the Republican nominee denounces it and ask that it not be run, but she keeps mum and doesn't say a word against it, it will cause a backlash for her.  She'll denounce it.  

The problem for Obama will be, that she may also use it to bolster her argument that he's a lightweight and the republicans will be worse than she's been and therefore she somehow deserves the nomination instead.

by shalca 2008-04-24 12:15AM | 0 recs
she will denounce it

at a time that benefits her the most using the add to her own benefit and then creating an illusion of distance........politics and ethics are not the same thing.

by citizendave 2008-04-24 12:29AM | 0 recs
Probably because it proves her point

He's not electable.

by NY Writer 2008-04-24 12:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Why won't Clinton denounce this
Clinton might denounce it as is her perogative, but it astounds me that she has to at all since this was made by the Republican 527.
It seems that every time some harsh ad or event occurs against Obama (like in the ABC debate) everyone has to be an apologist for Obama and treat him with kid gloves.
However, when questions arise concerning Clinton or McCain, then it's fair game.
by kyee7k 2008-04-24 01:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Why won't Clinton denounce this

I don't know that it changes anything, but I'm pretty sure this was made by the NC GOP state party and not by a 527.

by bawbie 2008-04-24 04:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Why won't Clinton denounce this

What does it mean, to denounce it?

We're in a world of bullshit. Democrats have lost 3 of the last five elections on commercials like those on NC. Dukakis was race baited with the Willie Horton ads, Gore with gay marriage, Kerry, war hero, was swiftboated to be unpatriotic. Hillary denouncing these ads won't stop them from running everywhere in October, and won't make Obama win.

by NY Writer 2008-04-24 01:14AM | 0 recs
Because this is her entire argument.

Hillary's only argument at this time is that Obama is "not electable." This is her code phrase for "he is black and America will not elect a black man for President."

That's it. You can sugar coat it any way you want, but that's it. And we all know it.

So she will come out with some statement against it, but it will be carefully worded (as always!) so that it keeps the issue alive. You won't get a firm moral stand from her because her politics trumps morality every time.

What is truly tragic, though, is that it is a Democrat who is making this argument. "I'm not a racist but because so many people are, we should not work to overcome racism in America." Very sad.

by wayne204 2008-04-24 02:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Why won't Clinton denounce this
First of all, Wright is Obama's issue, not Clinton's. Her denouncement of the ad would only draw more unwanted attention to it and to Obama, whereupon the Obama supporters would blame her for bringing the issue back up. She's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.
She's better off staying silent, and letting Obama and his campaign handle it the way they want.
by skohayes 2008-04-24 03:09AM | 0 recs
this is absolutely ridiculous

everything she does, someone will have a problem with.

Fuck no! She shouldn't have to. If Obama wants to be the bearer of the Democratic party he should be able to handle a Repug 527 without a problem.

by sepulvedaj3 2008-04-24 04:00AM | 0 recs
She won't denounce it because their a team now.

The Republicans and Hillary, for now, have a common goal, to make sure Obama is not the nominee.

Here's the ad:

by Travis Stark 2008-04-24 04:50AM | 0 recs
It's Obvious, She Supports Ad!

Hillary is tickled pink about this smear ad to be aired.  

by bacalove 2008-04-24 05:18AM | 0 recs
Re: It's Obvious, She Supports Ad!

And your proof of this is?

by Mayor McCheese 2008-04-24 05:25AM | 0 recs
Why should she denounce it?

She didn't run the ad. She didn't have anything to do with it at all. I haven't heard anything about Obama denouncing Randi Rhodes for calling Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro whores. I never heard him denounce David Shuster for the pimp comment, or any of the other misogynistic bullshit from MSNBC. Does Obama need Hillary Clinton to rush to his defense everybody says or does something mean to him? I don't remember seeing any Hillary supporters demanding that Obama rush to the nearest microphone to defend Hillary over the Tuzla comments.

by georgiapeach 2008-04-24 09:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Why won't Clinton denounce this

So you all agree, it is OK for Hillary to let Bev Purdue and Richard Moore hang out to dry and have their campaign destroyed.  The reasons you all give is:

1)She did not make the add
2)The ad does not attack her
3)If she responds someone will attack her
3)Barack should respond to the add
4)Because you think Barack should respond to Randi Rhodes
5)It's a race baiting ad against Obama that she does not need to respond to.
6)Because you think it proves Clinton's point that she is not electable.

Wow, let me respond to your incredibly unethical responses

1)  She did not make the add but made up the issue and perpetuates it every day she does not denounce it.  Besides, the response of "Teacher, it wasn't my fault" is not the response of a presidential candidate.

  1. The add does attack her, and all other democrats who have any sense of decency
  2. Barack has responded to this add.  As has the DNC, the RNC, and Mike Huckabee, John McCain, most pundits, everyone has, except for Clinton.
  3. I actually think they both should denounce these shock jocks...Barack should denounce Rhodes and Hillary should denounce the right wingers like Limbaugh who keep saying the same kind of crap in support of Clinton.  Does not mean just because one of them has not, the other gets a pass.  HOLD THEM TO THE SAME STANDARD, DON'T JUST KEEP LOWERING THE STANDARD. I know you don't believe any Obama supporter is capable of criticism him, but there you go...wrong again.
  4. She should do it precisely because it is race baiting and she should help the national debate rise above that, why do you think she is not seen as a good candidate for Black constituencies, or as an honest candidate, or as a candidate who will raise the national debate to a higher level that is more productive when it comes to the issues she cares about.
  5. I think it proves the point that Clinton is unelectable.  Super delegates will see this as more proof she will stab anyone in the back if they are not on her team.

Remember, she is telling Bev Purdue and Richard Moore she does not care enough about other democrats to help them out.  Probably because they are Obama endorsers.  I personally believe she would have already bailed them out if they were her supporters. But it is also a pretty good indication of why they are not her supporters.

Finally and most important, she should do it because it is the most important political job of a POTUS, to build the biggest coalition they can.  Hillary is incapable of working with anyone who disagrees with her.

This is the same reason Bill Clinton allowed thousands of democratic seats across the country to be lost on his watch.  We lost the House, the Senate, lost hundreds of governorships and state legislative jobs, and ultimately Clinton's VP could not get elected (don't blame it on Bush, if Clinton was doing his job of protecting the party, Gore would have won by a landslide big enough that none of us would remember the name GWB).

by mattjfogarty 2008-04-24 10:02AM | 0 recs


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