Thank You, Hillary!

Thank You, Hillary!

I was worried that the super delegates would not move in June in enough numbers to end this.  Thank you for guaranteeing that they will.  

Thank you for your stand on the Gas Tax Holiday.   Nicely played!

By pandering for a few votes in IN and NC, by using what some have called the powerful club of writing off economists and elitists, by misrepresenting the realities of the 'gas tax holiday', you have done a great job of swaying the only voters that could actually save your campaign.  The super delegates.  They will not like being falsely accused of being for big oil companies for opposing a really idiotic policy that would itself reward big oil.  They will not your use of Bush's "with us or against us" language, and are surely not lining up for 4-8 more years of that sort of demagogory.

So thank you, Hillary.  You couldn't have picked a more powerful club to attack the super delegates with, thus assuring this ends in June.

Six more weeks.

Tags: Blunder, gas tax holiday, Hillary Clinton (all tags)



As Dems, could we be more constructive?

Please, I'm an Obama supporter. BUT COULD YOU PLEASE DELETE THIS DIARY.

The only way we lose in November is if the Party doesn't come together.

All a diary like this does is heighten the tension between the two camps, and that is sooo counter-productive.

by TrueBlueCT 2008-05-05 02:19PM | 0 recs
Re: As Dems, could we be more constructive?

I understand what you are saying, but...

1) Diaries on MyDD aren't going to sway people.  As Jerome has pointed out in the past, people posting on any given internet forum represent a tiny tiny fraction of people.


2) Have you seen the stuff posted about Obama on this site?  Please.  This diary is tame rebuttal to a front paged post.

by map 2008-05-05 02:25PM | 0 recs
It takes two to tango...

And our side needs to refrain from throwing the next punch. Period.

Every Clinton supporter who becomes alienated makes real victory in November that much harder.

Look, the only question remaining is if Clinton supporters drag this out till the late-August convention.

The rest isn't worth getting into, as this fight is pretty much over.

by TrueBlueCT 2008-05-05 02:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Thank You, Hillary!

This is a substance free diary and the level of absurdity is comical.

I continue to believe the voters are more important and she is connecting with them , they would speak loudly tomorrow.

Not the washington glitterati or media literati and armchair pundits.

Its not Hillary's fault Obama is failing to connect with the working class

by lori 2008-05-05 02:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Thank You, Hillary!

I've had my fill of supporting bad policy just because it plays well with some voters.  We can do better than that.

by map 2008-05-05 02:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Thank You, Hillary!

Funny you are so interested in policy now , for the longest period of his campaign the candidate you seem to be supporting ran on anything but policy , infact that is a major reason why he is not connecting with the working class.

For the better part of his candidacy he downplayed policy and ran on a cult of personality and basically pigeonholed himself as a substance free candidate while Clinton dug in her heels with substance , solutions and policies.

He his dealing with the consequences of following the marketing strategy of personality as devised by Axelrod , now that Wrigth has basically destroyed that , he inevitably has to turn to policy unfortunately Clinton has corned that.

So it comes as a surprise to me that his supporters are arguing policy now rather than "  Yes We Can ".

Too little too late.

by lori 2008-05-05 02:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Thank You, Hillary!

Actually, it was only his opponents that diminished him to a "cult of personality" candidacy. That characterization was never true. His supporters know of, and like his (and most of Clintons) policy positions too.

by map 2008-05-05 02:38PM | 0 recs
Cmon Lori

for the longest period of his campaign the candidate you seem to be supporting ran on anything but policy

You mean like the policy stumps of Biden, Dodd, Gravel, et al??  The first thing Obama needed to do was to get voters interested in him...Was he going to do that with policy stump speeches??  I think you'll find the answer in Biden's, Dodd's, Gravel's et al campaigns?

It will not be easy what Obama is promoting...A complete change on how Washington operates...Most people don't like change, it scares them and there are many in Washington who like their limos, jets and unlimited expense accounts.  He will run into fierce opposition.

As far as HRC's gas tax, it's brilliant politically, a disaster policy-wise.  If this gas tax is so important how come she isn't pushing it in the house??  How is she going to look when she can't deliver it come Memorial Day??

by hootie4170 2008-05-05 02:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Thank You, Hillary!

lori how you doing??

I just wanted to ask a question. With all the MSM clamoring about the working class white vote and how Obama is failing to gain support...I've noticed that a legitimate Dem nominee must carry about 45% of the white vote to be successful, and also must carry atleast 80% of the AA vote with average turnout.  How come there has been all this uproar about the working class white vote and Obama and no mention about HRC and the AA vote?

Do you not think the AA's would be upset (rightfully so) if they felt the election was "stolen" from them?

If you are about to hit me with "Obama will fight for HRC and the AA vote will be fine" argument, I would counter that HRC would back Obama in the same way and turn out the working class vote for Obama.

So what say you??

by hootie4170 2008-05-05 02:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Thank You, Hillary!

Hi Honey ,

I actually believe Obama is still very much in the driver's seat.

The reason there is so much focus on the working class vote and Reagan democrats is because they are the swing votes.

Democrats have usually failed in presidential elections to connect with the working class votes because our candidates haave usually been painted as out of touch with their values and situation.

So for Clinton to have these folks fueling her candidacy is pretty amazing for a democrat.

It is possible if obama is not nominated some would sit at home , same as Clinton but I do not think that should be the basis for determining who the nominee should be.

by lori 2008-05-05 02:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Thank You, Hillary!
It's tough to summarize this better than Al Giordano:
So, to sum up: Look at the damn graphs. You can see that Clinton is in a staggering free-fall among African-American voters, her favorability is down 36 points while 17 percent view her more negatively than before, while Obama's favorable and negative ratings among whites have paired at five point increases. You can even see the small dip - about two percentage points - in his popularity among whites that can be attributed to the news cycles about his ex-pastor, and see that it has leveled out and is now on a straight horizontal line (meanwhile, Clinton's numbers among blacks continue on an extreme downward precipice). The greater context is that even including Obama's slight dip, he's more popular today among white voters than he ever was prior to February.
Not since Ronald Reagan has an American presidential candidate withstood such an assault in the media and seen his popularity not hurt by it, but, rather, galvanized by it. That's what is meant, in politics, by the term "Teflon."
Those facts won't stop many media (and Internet) talking heads from continuing - whether out of gullibility or intentional dishonesty - to prop up the "white voters" narrative, but it ought to inoculate you, kind reader, from believing it.
by venician 2008-05-05 02:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Thank You, Hillary!

The Teflon meme is more a product of the fact that the media treats him with kid gloves.  He is, after all, very delicate and easy to disturb, as we saw during the Philadelphia debate when, fair or not, he was dramatically unable to muster responses to difficult questions.  

He fell right into the trap and ended up on the defensive for three consecutive weeks after his humiliating Bitter Cling comments.  

Being the president is a tough job and a porcelain doll like Barack Obama isn't going to cut it.  Sorry, Obama, but you don't get to sit and read from a teleprompter when you're meeting with heads of state from North Korea, Iran, and Europe!  

by BPK80 2008-05-05 03:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Thank You, Hillary!

by canadian gal 2008-05-05 02:35PM | 0 recs
Bill can write with a marker!


Seriously, the gax tax holiday is a horrific pander that will increase oil company profits.  The astounding thing is that the general public seems to realize this as well.

by McNasty 2008-05-05 02:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Bill can write with a marker!

How does having a windfall profits tax on oil company profits = increase oil company profits. Not even a mainstream (i.e., conservative) economist would suggest that.

by fairleft 2008-05-05 02:51PM | 0 recs
What windfall profits tax?

The way Hillary has played this there isn't likely to be a windfall profits tax.  Bush won't sign it and there just isn't enough support in Congress for both the "gas tax holiday" and the windfall profits tax.  

So, we'll end up with the republicans pushing a bill that only includes a gas tax holiday and Hillary using her "powerful club" of elitists and economists to bludgeon Democrats in Congress to pass it.  Is she going to then vote against it?

by map 2008-05-05 03:04PM | 0 recs
Here's What's Wrong..

...Hillary KNOWS her proposal WILL NOT PASS congress or GWB, therefore there will be NO WINDALL PROFITS TAX....She already knows this, that is why she is not pushing this in the House or the Senate.

She is just giving "lip service" to the middle class to win votes period.

What is going to happen when her's does not pass, and John McCain's Gas Holiday Tax comes up (No Windfall Profit Tax to pay for the Tax Holiday)?  Does she vote yes or no??  

by hootie4170 2008-05-05 03:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Bill can write with a marker!

Why not just do the windfall profits tax and then every month distribute 1/12 of it to middle class americans regardless if they drive cars or ride trains or walk or bike to work.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-05 03:12PM | 0 recs
Bill Clinton has to commute 80 miles per day?

wow, he should move closer to his office in Harlem.

Or atleast take the subway, like Bloomie.

Here's my favorite train!!

Brooklyn's Creative Class In Action

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-05 02:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Thank You, Hillary!

Juvenile and spurious.

I know you feel good.

by bobbank 2008-05-05 03:05PM | 0 recs
Great Diary

I disagree with the disenters of this diary.

Map is right on and he is only repeating/reflecting what everyone is saying.

The funny thing about this gas tax, beyond it making us look condesending to people who pump their own gas is that we are effectively going to discourage people from car pooling.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-05 03:14PM | 0 recs


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