Disrespect Towards the Truth

I'm sure we all know that it is bad form to make stealth edits to a diary.  On a blog it is one of the fastest ways to lose credibility.

First, the rec diary references a news story quoting President Clinton.

As reported by ABC News:

Former President Bill Clinton in South Dakota today delivered a harsh critique of how his wife has been treated during her presidential bid, telling the crowd that he has "never seen a candidate treated so disrespectfully just for running," and that, "she will win the general election if you nominate her. They're just trying to make sure you don't."

Clinton spent more than six minutes calmly discussing what he called a "frantic effort to push her out" of this race, saying that no one asked Ted Kennedy, Jesse Jackson or Gary Hart to end their presidential campaigns early.

Then the diarist asked the following question.

Well, what about that? Was Ted Kennedy pressured to bow out for the sake of "party unity?"

I've bolded the part that was stealth edited out of the diary.  

Why, you ask?  

Because the question was answered in comments, and it turns out that yes, Kennedy was pressured to bow out for the sake of "party unity".  Instead of updating the diary with the answer, the question was edited out. Amazing.

Was Kennedy asked to drop out?

Newsweek - Feb 4, 1980

But some worried among themselves whether their solicitations were really meant to retire back debts preparatory to an early Kennedy secession from the race.  A reporter put their question to him directly: would he withdraw? Kennedy's head jerked angrily around.  "No!" he barked, disappearing into a waiting elevator.

The Washington Post - June 6, 1980

As he has done scores of times in the last few weeks, Kennedy fended off all the reporters' suggestions that his cause is hopeless.


Carter appeared relaxed, almost serene, as he discussed the meeting, saying it was Kennedy's decision to remain in the race or not, that he had not asked the senator to withdraw and that he remained confident that "regardless of any conceivable circumstances" he will be renominated in August.

I find those with a couple minutes effort on Lexis. There are many more examples of news reports that sound exactly like what we are seeing today.

So the question I have is two-fold.  

1) Why is Bill Clinton trying to deceive people about our history?

2) Why would someone ask a question and then delete the question when the answer doesn't fit their world view?

Tags: Bill Clinton, Honesty, MyDD (all tags)



Re: Disrespect Towards the Truth

Go go Gadget-Lexis!

by freedom78 2008-05-25 04:43PM | 0 recs
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are you serious?  get a life, lol!  so the diarist edited the diary. OMG, Fire him!

why don't you write something more original on behalf of obama?

besides, i don't think call-out diaries are allowed

by Zebra01 2008-05-25 04:45PM | 0 recs
The diarist edited the basis of her argument

Her whole diary rested on this assumption.

It's hilarious to say the least.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-25 04:48PM | 0 recs
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by map 2008-05-25 04:50PM | 0 recs
Re: The diarist edited the basis of her argument

I think you mean Hillaryous*.

* Hillaryous (n) -- laughably dishonest but supportive of Our Girl.

by neeborMolgula 2008-05-26 05:19AM | 0 recs
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Are you serious?  The diarist, who posts multiple pieces a day, based on rumors and circular references, gets called on bs, and rather then address it... just magically deletes it, as if the question was never there?

It's not just disrespect for the truth.  It is spreading lies and distortions.  And attacking someone for pointing it out and suggesting that they should "get a life"... nice.

by herenow 2008-05-25 05:23PM | 0 recs
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What's sad is how Bill Clinton is behaving. He surely knows that what he said is not true.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-25 04:55PM | 0 recs
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It is quite ironic that you would post Carter's response of June 1980 stating that his opponent, Kennedy had the right to decide whether or not to remain in the race and to take it to the convention ...YET today he stated that Clinton would be finished in June...unbelievable the hypocrisy..

by Liberty 2008-05-25 05:05PM | 0 recs
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Well, the point was that Kennedy was pressured to leave the race in 1980.  If I had no ethical standards, I suppose I could simply edit my diary to remove the bit about Carter.  I'll leave it in though :)

by map 2008-05-25 05:08PM | 0 recs
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Was Kennedy pressured by the DNC and fellow Democrats??? Did the head of the DNC hold a press conference urging superdelegates to make a decision for party unity sake in effort to thwart the process??????

by Liberty 2008-05-25 05:17PM | 0 recs
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How are the superdelegates declaring who they are for in any way thwarting the process? As it has been stated many times on this blog before by many a Clinton supporter, the superdelegates are part of this process. As you and your ilk constantly remind everyone, neither candidate has enough pledged delegates to get to 2026 w/out superdelegates. After June 3, there are no more primaries and no longer any reason for the supers to wait. They will look at who is ahead in the pop. vote, pledged dleegates, and number of states won. When they see that Barack Obama is ahead in all of them, the vast majority of them will declare for him, securing the nomination for Obama. The end.

by Deano963 2008-05-25 05:26PM | 0 recs
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My ilk???????? Ok then...HAHA!
And you are of what ilk?????
by Liberty 2008-05-25 05:31PM | 0 recs
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"And you are of what ilk?????"

I'm of the reality-based kind.

You should try it out sometime.

by Deano963 2008-05-25 05:42PM | 0 recs
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I am happy for you...I really am..

by Liberty 2008-05-25 05:45PM | 0 recs
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Other than Pat Leahy, who retracted his statement, name one public official originally supporting Obama who has called for Sen. Clinton to exit the race.

by Brad G 2008-05-25 05:27PM | 0 recs
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Senator Chris Dodd, Governor Bill Richardson..

by Liberty 2008-05-25 05:43PM | 0 recs
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Do you have links?

by Brad G 2008-05-25 05:49PM | 0 recs
by Liberty 2008-05-25 05:53PM | 0 recs
by Liberty 2008-05-25 05:56PM | 0 recs
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I know that McGovern endorsed Clinton early on and Dr. Dean has remained neutral, but.....

by Liberty 2008-05-25 05:59PM | 0 recs
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How the hell is that hypocrisy???

TODAY, Jimmy Carter stated that Hillary DOES have the right to stay in the race.

He also stated that the race would be over in June - which is simply a statement of fact considering that THE LAST PRIMARIES ARE ON JUNE 3RD. THEREFORE, THE RACE WILL BE OVER IN JUNE.

You're attempting to make something out of nothing, like most Clinton supporters do.

by Deano963 2008-05-25 05:22PM | 0 recs
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Yes, truly unbelievable. Unbelievable to think that after losing what started as a fairly close race in 1980, Carter might have learned something from the experience - to wit, that a drawn-out primary process that continues to drain energy from the GE fight long after the primary challenger has lost any real hope of victory is a Bad Thing for winning general elections.

Heaven forbid we should learn from past experience. Can't be doing that now.

by ipsos 2008-05-25 06:46PM | 0 recs
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Obama stated that he is confident that Clinton supporters will support him as the Democratic nominee. Carter had greater problems than Ted Kennedy.

by Liberty 2008-05-25 07:08PM | 0 recs
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Obama is probably correct; I don't hold a dozen or so hard-core Clinton supporters on this site to be representative of all of her primary voters, certainly.

And it's equally true that Carter had more headaches than Ted Kennedy's primary challenge.

But that doesn't change the fact that Kennedy did measurable damage to Carter's GE campaign with his actions in 1980, and yes, I do consider that a spot of tarnish on what has otherwise been an exemplary career of service to the Democratic Party. (I would still hope we've learned from that painful experience, too.)

The same is true of Mondale/Hart '84, and it's fair to say that Hart's standing in the party never really recovered from that disaster.

I would further contend that one of the ways Howard Dean got to the position of prominence he now holds in the party was by being a gracious and non-destructive loser in 2004. Part of being a Democrat is knowing how to handle a loss - Lord knows, we can't win them all!

by ipsos 2008-05-25 08:30PM | 0 recs


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