Sick of the Netroots

No doubt this is a Democratic year, but that doesn't prevent Democrats from trying to find a way to lose. The current methodology is by attacking their candidate. Everyone knows The Right is unhappy with McCain, but the reason they win and Democrats lose is that they will choose party over candidate. Not the Democrats, who have a certain knack for screwing up sure things.

It is very simple really. The media is like a two-year old child. They will repeat what they are told by some outside source. If the Democrats profess happiness with Obama, all stories will reflect this and will shift the focus onto McCain's problems. But when there is dissatisfaction in the ranks...MYDD, Daily Kos, Huffington, TPM, Open Left, etc.,...all the sudden Obama has liabilities which leads the dumb media to exploring all of this other liabilities(Islamic name, black, Rev. Wright, no experience, etc.).

All liberal bloggers who have put this dumb FISA issue and Obama's move to the center up as a rallying cry on their sites, which he must do to win, morons, as not enough people agree with you and your leftist views, should be dragged out back and beaten....to quote Bill McNeal.

By the by, Keith Olbermann's special comment is on this very subject, how the FISA bill none of you have read but love to criticize Obama for selling you out over, is actually so poorly written that it doesn't prevent any of the Telecommunications companies from being CRIMINALLY prosecuted. It just prevents civil cases...i.e...all of Daily Kos joining up in a class action civil lawsuit because, most assuredly, the government is having the Telecoms monitor every single movement of yours.

Stop shooting yourself, Democrats, and the causes of the left by being petulent whiny bastards. The Right doesn't do this and The Right wins. The left does this and the left loses. It really isn't that hard.....don't shit where you eat.

These Netroots take themselves oo seriously. The media is now feeding of their childish tantrums. I'm sick of them making Democrats lose.

Obama as nominee has to appeal to ALL Americans not just Democrats. If Obama loses, then this party is OVER. No party that loses 3 times in a row will be viewed seriously.

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Re: Sick of the Netroots
One approach is certainly to decide that constitutional principle is simply a "dumb FISA issue".  That's a valid lifestyle choice, I suppose.
 
by prodigal 2008-06-29 11:10AM | 0 recs
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I mean come on how many Americans care about FISA?
99% don't even know what it is.

How about this. You are out of power. Stuff like FISA is gonna happen.

Your choice.

by Makey 2008-06-29 11:16AM | 0 recs
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so ignorance of what FISA is all about is the reason why people should shut up about it?

we will still be a British colony with that type of mindset.

by colebiancardi 2008-06-29 11:22AM | 0 recs
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to add to that Keith's mystical power to deduct , laughed at and off in KOS, where he posted  " doesn't prevent any of the Telecommunications companies from being CRIMINALLY prosecuted."

Yeah, they dont want civil prosecution but somehow they will double down and hit them federal criminal violations....sending them to jail.

That logic is astoundingly stupid. we will excuse those companies ( per compromise language) if they show letters from the president and AG shoing they could go ahead and act on the NSA act.

But Keith's latest harry potter book came w/ ' oh they will hit them on criminal violations'. heh

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-29 11:17AM | 0 recs
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I would hope folks would speak their mind on issues and not just go with what they don't believe in.

By the way one of the reasons democrats lose is they frequently find a way to choose a candidate that is to the left and has to do this unconvincing dance to the centre .

Isn't that the irony , the candidate that is perceived to be in the center is villified during the primaries , yet the candidate that is chosen is supposed to move to the center when the primary is over.

The same folks doing the villifying seem to be the same ones saying a shift to the center should be met with silence or applause .

That doesn't make much sense to me.  

by lori 2008-06-29 11:20AM | 0 recs
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There is a lot of hypocrisy from the Obama sideline.  However, the same argument could be made about the former Clinton crowd, many of which are now Obama supporters, who are criticizing his centrism while applauding Clinton for presenting herself as a centrist throughout the primary season.

There are phonies on both sides.  The Obama folks love saying, well Hillary would have done it too, and the Hillary folks are saying "it doesn't matter what her opinion is on FISA and the Supreme Court opinions because Obama is the nominee now."

by Blazers Edge 2008-06-29 11:28AM | 0 recs
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well, actually, HRC folks are stating that Hillary was  more of acentrist and was pandering.  We knew it, we were not blind to it and made no excuses for it, nor used the "new politics rhetoric" game.

by colebiancardi 2008-06-29 11:31AM | 0 recs
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"New politics rhetoric" does not preclude these maneuvers.  I don't think you fully understand what was meant by it.  I do not say that as an insult.

Between some of Obama's most naive supporters and Hillary's most jaded, the two groups have managed to caricature what it really represents.

Obama is more pragmatic and centrist than the netroots realized.  I saw this problem coming a mile off.

My problem with Senator Clinton wasn't that she was a centrist.  I don't believe she is one.  She is, deep down, still the progressive she was thirty years ago.  My problem with Senator Clinton is that she is willing to sacrifice that in order to accumulate power.

Senator Obama is guilty of that, but to my eye a much lesser degree.  He is what he was - a centrist with left leanings but a great willingness to appreciate the other side.  It's not the same thing.

He isn't a leftist juking left, precisely.  He is what I expected him to be.  Imperfect?  Absolutely.  But the new politics doesn't mean you can't move to the center.  It means you don't do it dishonestly.  His position on the death penalty and the 2nd Amendment are exactly what I would have predicted based on his writings and his own words.

As to FISA?  I'm disappointed, but in retrospect it's probably necessary.  Letting the telecoms get off on this one is a shitty deal, but if fighting to delay the immunity meant that worse absuses come later, then it's a shitty deal he was right to make.

My hands, and my conscience, are clean.  My mind is not clear of doubt, but I'm getting what I signed on for.

This is what I wanted.  This is the so-called "New Politics."  More inclusive, more centrist, but not afraid of the other side.  It's not entirely coherent yet, I know.  But it isn't more of the same.  Yes, I know you will say that it is.

Pragmatism at this point does stretch the narrative, but not quite to the breaking point.  I just hope Obama doesn't sell out along the way.  He might.  To those who are mad at him I say - Keep agitating!  Keep him honest.

But don't be surprised.  He's doing what I thought he would.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-29 12:58PM | 0 recs
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sorry, "leftist juking left" should read "leftist juking right"

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-29 12:59PM | 0 recs
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repear a diary needs your ' whats relevant about___"attention". please  ...

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/29/1656 21/378#commenttop

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-29 01:01PM | 0 recs
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Do you feel the need to stalk me?

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-29 01:08PM | 0 recs
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Many Democrats are supporting the party, not the candidate.  If you are unsure of this, tons of PUMA site you can be referred to.

by ChitownDenny 2008-06-29 12:28PM | 0 recs
No, it's not ironic.

It's how elections work when you've got two parties and a primary/general election system. Candidates appeal to the base in the primary and move to the center for the general to reach outside the base. The smart ones do it in a way where they're not actually changing positions, they're just changing the focus of their message or the style of presenting it. It's about as shocking as me making a different style of argument in front of a jury than I would in front of the court of appeals.

by Mobar 2008-06-29 11:42AM | 0 recs
Re: No, it's not ironic.

I'll grant that Obama is one of the smart ones, by your definition. But doesn't that tell us who were the low-info voters in the primary? Certainly not the blue collar voters who looked at his positions rather than buying his style and focus.

by souvarine 2008-06-29 12:01PM | 0 recs
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FISA?

Again?

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-29 11:39AM | 0 recs
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If the Democrats profess happiness with Obama, all stories will reflect this and will shift the focus onto McCain's problems. But when there is dissatisfaction in the ranks...MYDD, Daily Kos, Huffington, TPM, Open Left, etc.,...all the sudden Obama has liabilities which leads the dumb media to exploring all of this other liabilities(Islamic name, black, Rev. Wright, no experience, etc.).
Prove it.  The media were a bunch of assholes before FISA, and they will be after the matter is settled.  Don't flatter yourself by thinking they take their cues from us.  

In my view, Obama may have intentionally tried to anger the netroots.  After all, he's got our votes already.  He's hunting independents and moderate republicans now and that crowd tends to like it when the "far left" gets outraged.  They certainly don't want a candidate that will kowtow to "hardcore liberals", and by standing up to us, he's building centrist cred.  That could be alarming, but I don't think how he acts now has much to do with how he will act in office.  The GE is a game, and Obama is showing that he knows how to play it.  

So we might as well oblige him by following our inclination to get righteously pissed off about this.  It really does matter -- a lot.  Even though I live in a city with strong gun control that's one of the few places that will be seriously affected by the SCOTUS gun decision, compared to the extreme importance of upholding the 4th amendment, I could care less about Obama's position on that matter.  The right to not be spied on is absolutely key.  If we lose that, we're no longer America.  Period.

by semiquaver 2008-06-29 12:02PM | 0 recs
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Fine. You called it as I have. This is a game. And suprisingly Obama wans to win. Funny that isn't it. So will all you other Democrats take cue and fall in line for the next 5 months until this game is played out. I mean this is the 3rd attempt at the Presidency.

by Makey 2008-06-29 12:08PM | 0 recs
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And what happens after that?  do we fall in line for 4 years because we want him reelected?

by semiquaver 2008-06-29 04:42PM | 0 recs
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Fine. You called it as I have. This is a game. And suprisingly Obama wans to win. Funny that isn't it. So will all you other Democrats take cue and fall in line for the next 5 months until this game is played out. I mean this is the 3rd attempt at the Presidency.

by Makey 2008-06-29 12:09PM | 0 recs
"No party that loses 3 times in a row
 will be viewed seriously".
Except the democrats, who lost in '80, '84 and '88 and then took the most votes in '92, '96 and '00.
Damn those inconvenient truths !!!!
by kosnomore 2008-06-29 01:00PM | 0 recs
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I guess eight years of Republican hypocrisy just aren't enough hypocrisy for you.  But hey, power justifies everything.

Some things never Change, eh?

by killjoy 2008-06-29 01:02PM | 0 recs

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