Pro-Israel Rally Calls for 'Wiping Out' Palestinians


Max Blumenthal's story on the pro-Israel rally in New York City, which was posted on AlterNet, January 13, 2009, was called, Pro-Israel Rally Attended by Big-Time NY Dems Descends into Calls for 'Wiping Out' Palestinians, obviously does not apply to all those who attended. Still, Alternet's intro to the story called the rally, "obscene," even though it was attended by high ranking NY politicians like Chuck Shumer and Governor Patterson. That more recent reports on Israel's invasion indicate that, contrary to early estimates, over 80% of dead Palestinians were civilians, did not seem to phase anyone. And the daily death tolls continue to rise as do the number of pictures of dead and maimed Palestinian children.

Max Blumenthal's account follows:

On January 11, an estimated 10,000 people rallied in front of the Israeli consulate in midtown New York in support of Israel's attack on the Gaza Strip. The rally, which was organized by UJA-Federation of New York and the Jewish Community Relations Council of New York in cooperation with the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, featured speeches by New York's most senior lawmakers. While the crowd was riled to righteous anger by speeches about Hamas evildoers, the event was a festive affair that began and ended with singing and joyous dancing.

Sen. Chuck Schumer highlighted Israel's supposed humanitarian methods of warfare by pointing to its text messaging of certain Gaza Strip residents urging them to vacate their homes before Israeli forces bombed them. "What other country would do that?" Schumer shouted from the podium. Gov. David Paterson appeared on stage wearing one of the red hats distributed to demonstrators as symbols of the red alerts some residents of Israel endure when Palestinian groups fire rockets their way. Paterson cited the many Qasam rockets that have fallen on Israel as a justification for the country's operations in Gaza, a military assault that has resulted in over 800 casualties and thousands of injuries.

Then Paterson highlighted the anti-Semitism that has followed in the wake of Israel's attack on Gaza, highlighting the beating of a teen-age girl in France.  "This kind of anger and hatred spreads like a disease," Paterson said, "and one thing I've always pointed out is there's no place for hate in the Empire State."

But hatred was plentiful at the rally Paterson addressed. Right in front of the stage, a man held a banner reading, "Islam Is A Death Cult." Rally attendees described the people of Gaza to me as a "cancer," called for Israel to "wipe them all out," insisting, "They are forcing us to kill their children in order to defend our own children." A young woman told me, "Those who die are suffering God's wrath.""They are not distinguishing between civilians and military, so why should we?" said a member of the group of messianic Orthodox Jewish Chabad-Lubavitch group that flocked to the rally.

No one I spoke to could seem to find any circumstance in which they would begin to question Israel's war. No number of civilian deaths, no displays of extreme suffering -- nothing could deter their enthusiasm for attacking one of the most vulnerable populations in the world with the world's most advanced weaponry. There are no limits, no matter what Israel does, no matter how it does it.

The rally made me think of a passage in "The Holocaust Is Over, We Must Rise From Its Ashes," a powerful new book by former Israeli Knesset speaker and Jewish National Fund chairman Avraham Burg:

"If you are a bad person, a whining enemy or a strong-arm occupier, you are not my brother, even if you are circumcised, observe the Sabbath, and do mitzvahs. If your scarf covers every hair on your head for modest, you give alms and do charity, but what is under your scarf is dedicated to the sanctity of Jewish land, taking precedence over the sanctity of human life, whose ever life that is, then your are not my sister. You might be my enemy. A good Arab or a righteous gentile will be a brother or sister to me. A wicked man, even of Jewish descent, is my adversary, and I would stand on the other side of the barricade and fight him to the end."

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With permission.

Tags: Gaza, Israel, Max Blumenthal (all tags)

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38 Comments

Re: Pro-Israel Rally

it should come as no surprise that there are voices calling for the total destruction of israel and for wiping out the paslestinians....this is the world we live in.

what is surprising to me is how this latest chapter in this conflict has put me at odds with people here that i generally agree with. i am ready to chaulk this up to the shortcomings of the blog medium as a way to truly discuss a topic.

sorry for ranting on your diary

by citizendave 2009-01-13 04:11AM | 0 recs
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No problem here. But the left wing blogosphere today is the only place it is possible to overcome the censorship and propaganda that pervades the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. And that goes for the present Gaza strife as well.

Most people out there limited to access to our mainstream news services are hearing that Hamas broke the truce and/or refused to continue it. But in the left wing internet media we are hearing that more closely corresponds to the truth, that Israel failed to comply with its conditions. For that matter, Hamas proposed ceasefires over a half a dozen time earlier and voluntarily enter a truce twice. But to no avail.

The Israel embassy reported that rockets into Israel deceased to a trickle for the first four months of the trice. Yet, Israel keep up its military incursion into Gaza and the West Bank to kill Hamas militants. Israel was also to "ease" the siege and permit food and medical supplies into Gaza. It permitted about 10% of what was need by the Palestinian population. Earlier the UN reported malnutrition among Palestinian children. Week before the ceasefire ended, UN relief centers had to close down because there was no food to distribute. Palestinian bakeries also had to close for lack of flour.

One of Hamas' conditions for renewing the siege was to simply stop it. Israel refused that condition.

Reports about this reality were all over the left wing blogosphere.

If you can't handle reality then perhaps the left wing blogosphere is not the place to be.

by MainStreet 2009-01-13 04:33AM | 0 recs
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MS,

i seek out many sources for my news and consider myself well informed. i also stand firmly in my belief that the palestinians have been getting screwed for 60 years now. my point was that everyone ha their opinion on this situation and i don't think anyone is willing to budge. my own posts may have offended but certainly have not converted anyone to join with my opinions. i applaud your conviction to this cause and have readily stated my own.

by citizendave 2009-01-13 05:16AM | 0 recs
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hamas has rejected every truce deal put forth by the UN , Egypt and Israel.  

such offer's have been adhered by Israel to only have hamas re stock and re start the bombings.

Tell us does hamas 's charter change of not recognizing Israel's right to exist in that beautiful scenario you have laid out here- about your pals in hamas?

Hamas Principles.

The principles of the Hamas are stated in their Covenant or Charter, given in full below. Following are highlights.

   "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

   "The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

   "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

   "After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."

by MumbaiBurns 2009-01-13 05:27AM | 0 recs
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so, israel's stated goal of the destruction of hamas is perfectly legitimate.  do i have that right?

by the mollusk 2009-01-13 07:44AM | 0 recs
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yes your right .  Similar to ours on the Osama group ALA terrorist organizations that only believe in death bestowed upon their enemies is the only resolution.

Really very simple when you come to ones senses. This is terrorist group that models itself after nazi principles

by MumbaiBurns 2009-01-13 08:50AM | 0 recs
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So Israel's stated goals of destruction are justified because Hamas stated its goals of destruction first.  Thanks for clarifying.

by the mollusk 2009-01-13 09:00AM | 0 recs
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what part of a terrorist organization who's charter is to wipe your entire race needs to be dealt with force- do you find difficult?  

Let me guess you subscribe to let al quaeda being left alone to continue.  

by MumbaiBurns 2009-01-13 09:10AM | 0 recs
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My point is not to defend Hamas, it is to challenge the assumption that everything Israel does is hunky-dorey because they are able to hide behind this terrorist bs.  It is no different than the torture, wiretapping, Gitmo, extraordinary rendition nonsense Bush etc. has been up to since 2001.  You could argue (as the Repubs do nonstop) that those things have worked to help keep us safe.  The way the rubber chicken hanging above my desk keeps it from falling over.  But that misses the obvious point of all of this.  It is about power, elections, and propaganda.

by the mollusk 2009-01-13 09:39AM | 0 recs
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How about the PLO? Israel used the same justification to avoid talking to the PLO. The PLO is today, Fatah, and is seeking peace through a two state solution. Israel is unwilling to comply. Apparently the colonization of the remaining Palestinian land is not finished.

Is it the unwilling of Hamas to recognize Israel that is the problem?

Well, whenever has Israel recognized the Palestinian right to self determination, to a state of their own, to a Palesine? Their actions by contrast have said, no, never, no two state solution: just occupation and keep the colonization going. And they are going even today in spite of the Gaza strife. Palestinians just don't exist. Within Israel, as citizens of Israel, Jewish Israelis are warned to refer to them (Palestinians) as "Arabs."

And the "terrorist" meme is little more than that. Since when does an organization like the French or Italian or even the Algerian resistance get referred to as a terrorist organization. Is a military occupier like Israel any different?

Yes Israel is different. It is pursuing the military occupation for the sole purpose of colonizing Palestinian lands. When this occurred in South Africa, in spite of Reagan's support of Apartheid, people went into the street and employed boycotts to take it down. And it went down.

You're not an apartheid Afrikaaner, are you?

by MainStreet 2009-01-13 09:42AM | 0 recs
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The state of Israel constitutes an "entire race"?

by JimR 2009-01-13 11:46AM | 0 recs
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One of the most ominous aspects of the Charter however, is this Hadith:

   Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

       "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree,  would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).

The implication is clear: Allah promised that the Jews will be murdered, and the Hamas "aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take."

by MumbaiBurns 2009-01-13 12:50PM | 0 recs
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The confirmable data support what I said, including who violated the ceasefire and why Hamas would not continue with it until Israel stopped the siege.

If you have other data to provide, please post it. All you have provided is information as to why Israel violated the ceasefire and why it will not stop the siege.

But those are not the reasons we are hearing about in the media, which takes it lead from Israeli propaganda services.

by MainStreet 2009-01-13 08:16AM | 0 recs
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by MumbaiBurns 2009-01-13 08:40AM | 0 recs
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I'm sorry what confirmation data is that? your latest newsletter from hamas ?

OH I forgot the great blog sphere provided you that data.

by MumbaiBurns 2009-01-13 08:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Pro-Israel Rally Calls for 'Wiping Out' Palest

As someone who has also felt separated from the common opinion of the left wing blogosphere, I agree with citizendave on this. And I think that comments like this: "If you can't handle reality then perhaps the left wing blogosphere is not the place to be" prove his point.

But I think that it is outrageous that people are calling for the extermination of either side. Especially as a Jew, I think that those calling for "wiping out" Palestinians have to be ashamed.

by brbuchwal 2009-01-13 04:45AM | 0 recs
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Agreement is permitted.

But if you really believe that the liberal and human rights values of the Democratic party is in line with the eradication or decimation of the Palestinian people, their military occupation for over 40 years while their lands are being colonized, and against the freedom and self determination of the Palestinian people, then I can only say you are somewhat deviant here, and distinctly confused, even about basic American values.

You might wish to look up the left wing peace activist groups in Israel or even Jewish peace activist groups in this country to get some bearings.

by MainStreet 2009-01-13 05:15AM | 0 recs
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I think you misinterpreted what I was saying. I am pro Israel, Pro Palestine and pro peace. I subscribe almost entirely to the platform of pro peace groups like J Street that remain pro Israel while saying that the government NEEDS to stop this campaign of terror. I think you and I agree more than we disagree, I was just highlighting what I thought was a truthful remark from citizendave that it can be difficult to talk rationally about this subject on blogs. Some people assume that if you are pro Israel at all, even if you are anti violence, you are siding with the killers. I am not suggesting that is what you are saying, but it is a common problem.

Once again, I think we just had a miscommunication.

by brbuchwal 2009-01-13 05:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Pro-Israel Rally Calls for 'Wiping Out' Palest

"you are siding with the killers. I am not suggesting that is what you are saying, but it is a common problem?

I think that you are probably not aware of the statistics on killings since 2000, or even since 2003, where ratios of 50 to 1 and 100 to 1 have been quoted (before that year the ratio was 5 to 1). I don't have to tell you just who has been doing all the dying, and who has been doing all of the killing. And what for? Israel's continuation of the military occupation in order to continue its colonization of Palestinian lands in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Facts on the ground do not lie. Nor do the death tolls.

So just who are the "killers?"

by MainStreet 2009-01-13 08:21AM | 0 recs
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The discussion of who are the "killers" has nothing to do with what I am trying to say. I am simply trying to say that you can be pro-Israel (defined here as supporting Israel's right to exist) and still be pro peace. Too many people hear that and default to showing the statistics to question how anyone could possibly support the Israeli government.

But for a lot of Americans, especially Jewish Americans, there are reasons to support Israel that are not related to its military. Like progressives in America, we criticize Israel because we know that it can be better than it currently is. But no one seems to read more than the words "pro Israel" and automatically criticize us.

by brbuchwal 2009-01-13 10:09AM | 0 recs
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it balances the rhetoric and shows why both Israelis and Palestinians fear the extremist will 'win' and wipe them out.  Of course only one is strong enough to carry such a nutty thing out.

That's why you can't answer rhetoric with white phosphorus.  That's why governments ought to have more sense.  They want to wipe us out is no reason for killing, rhetoric is the one place there is parity.  

So, when you hear this justification (they want to wipe us out) for killing anybody, remember, there are nuts on both sides, and one side is objectively scarier.  

by anna shane 2009-01-13 07:56AM | 0 recs
So many chickenhawks...

by JJE 2009-01-13 05:17AM | 0 recs
despicable.

although the shouts in arabic allah akbar across the world at anti-israel rallies (not peace) may give better context to the response you show in your diary.  not that either are right.

but just because, this diary seems like the proper place to try and show some balance, i will post the a few photos that a friend from israel sent me that will not be seen at a media outlet near you.

i still have hope for peace.

by canadian gal 2009-01-13 05:21AM | 0 recs
Re: despicable.

see?  they don't really drop bombs in heavily populated areas.

by the mollusk 2009-01-13 07:39AM | 0 recs
Re: despicable.

The benign occupiers, undoubtedly a popular IDF information services theme. But check out B'Tselem's site to find out how many Palestinians are killed each year while Israel persists in its 40 year occupation. And for what purpose? Can you guess?

These decent soldiers would probably like to join Courage to Refuse, but just can't take the anticipated pressure of doing so.

by MainStreet 2009-01-13 08:26AM | 0 recs
I'm not for wiping anyone out

except HAMAS, but when Palestine supporters want to wipe the Jews "off the face of the map," it ought to be covered similarly as well. But its not as if Israel hated the Arabs first. It was the Arabs who started this whole war with Israel. Eventually, some made peace. Unfortunately, others, such as Palestine, still largely cannot accept Israeli's existence, along with Ahmadinejad. Israel will never surrender

by Lakrosse 2009-01-13 05:57AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm not for wiping anyone out

And once again Ladrosse you prove yourself to be no better then Hamas. Maybe one day you will learn how hatred only breeds more hatred.

by venician 2009-01-13 07:17AM | 0 recs
show me where I am

"hating" anyone. I am merely taking a stance against terrorism and violence, which HAMAS begets. Saying that Israel will never surrender is not hate, but love for a people, a country.

by Lakrosse 2009-01-13 07:42AM | 0 recs
Re: show me where I am

but if we say that the palestinians will never surrender, is that hate?  just curious.

by the mollusk 2009-01-13 07:45AM | 0 recs
Re: show me where I am

So state sponsored terrorism is love for a country but Hamas freedon fighters are merely terrorists?

by venician 2009-01-13 08:43AM | 0 recs
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Hamas freedom fighters? is that what you call them now.  I knew you would show real ways. First as a racists and now an anti Semitic. You complete that circle to be granted your visa to a Pakistan training camp.

by MumbaiBurns 2009-01-13 08:56AM | 0 recs
Re: show me where I am

This post is so full of it that it does not deserve a reply. While people are dying for the sake of Israel's continuing military occupation and stealing of Palestinian lands, we are to believe that it is anti-Semitism that spurs criticism. The "anti-Semitism" charge is worn out. Yet anyone who criticizes Israel for its killing of Palestinians, over 5,000 since 2000, is considered so.

Does pro-Semitism mean the right to kill anyone who interferes with Zionist nationalism and the attainment of Greater Israel?

Such statements are not heard of from left wing liberal Americans, but rather from right wing GIYUS bloggers who believe in Israel uber alles.

by MainStreet 2009-01-13 09:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Pro-Israel Rally Calls for 'Wiping Out' Palest

I haven't watched the video, but, according to the written account provided, none of the speakers or the signs or the rally propaganda called for "wiping out" the Palestinians.  Rather, Blumenthal quotes one or more unnamed, undescribed attendee(s) as supposedly saying Israel should "wipe them all out".

Perhaps those attendees are directly quoted on the video that I haven't watched.  But, in any case, I hardly find it newsworthy that 1-2 individuals at a rally make extreme statements.  If that is newsworthy, though, what does that say about the thousands of people around the world who voice sentiments for wiping out Israel every day at rallies, while burning and stomping on its flag, etc., -- not to mention similarly large numbers of people who chant "death to America" and burn or stomp on the U.S. flag.  In that context, to write a diary about a couple of individuals who allegedly said that Israel should wipe out the Palestinians seems to be very selective to say the least.

by markjay 2009-01-13 07:29AM | 0 recs
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Perhaps you should actually watch the subject upon which you are commenting. It would make it easier to avoid looking like an idiot.

It wasn't 1 or two individuals it was a dozen or more including elected officials.

The interviewer did an excellent job of shoving these peoples hipocricy back in their faces. In the end though there are fuck heads on both sides and the insistence of some on pretending that only the Palestinians are behaving badly is shown to be patently false.

by Skex 2009-01-13 08:09AM | 0 recs
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Why don't you read the messages you are responding to?  It would make it easier for you to avoid looking like an idiot.

I never said that there weren't lots of people aggressively supporting Israel at the rally. I said that the text only claimed that a couple of attendees said that Israel should wipe out the Palestinians.  And yes, I watched the video and that is exactly the case.  Lot's of people animated in their support of Israel and angry about attacks on Israel, but only 1-2 attendees indicating that Israel should wipe out the Palestinians (and certainly no elected officials saying like that.)

by markjay 2009-01-13 11:16AM | 0 recs
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Why don't you read the messages you are responding to?  It would make it easier for you to avoid looking like an idiot.

I never said that there weren't lots of people aggressively supporting Israel at the rally. I said that the text only claimed that a couple of attendees said that Israel should wipe out the Palestinians.  And yes, I watched the video and that is exactly the case.  Lot's of people animated in their support of Israel and angry about attacks on Israel, but only 1-2 attendees indicating that Israel should wipe out the Palestinians (and certainly no elected officials saying like that.)

by markjay 2009-01-13 11:16AM | 0 recs
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This was meant as a reply to skex's comment, not to the diarist.

by markjay 2009-01-13 11:17AM | 0 recs
It's 2009. We Have Super-Technology, Yet...

But we are some how expected to worry about this so-called blood-soaked "holy land"!!!

The New Jews on the block should just go home! We can do without WW-III just because of their paranoia!

Forget about the Holy Land nonsense! We have real difficulties! Like, we owe the Far East our damned asses! How will we deal with that? When they stop sending the cheap stuff, we will all be Icelanders. Go to the store -- NOTHING on the shelf!

Charity and frugality certainly must begin at home!!!

by blues 2009-01-13 11:30AM | 0 recs

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