Do Thought Police Hooligans & Net Bullies Keep Others from Coming to myDD?

Below is a addendum to a diary of mine - health care frauds and fantasies - that I posted yesterday and which was later removed because of a bogus complaint that it was a 'cut and paste ' diary.  This was, in reality, nothing but an attempt to remove any dissenting view that is critical of Obama by one of the self appointed "thought policemen' that roam, patrol and now dominate this site.

I separated it from the other diary - because these are two separate issues.

The other diary - through the statements of leading progressives - points out the reality that it was obama himself who killed the public option.  That too is my opinion and i came here to write a diary about this at myDD.  isnt that what myDD was founded for - a place to share and discuss political opinions amongst other Dems and Progressives? If you go visit that diary - you will see that it is flooded by comments - most of them personal ad hom attacks on me - by people who never even respons to thepeople quoted in the diary itself. These 'cyber thugs" or 'net bullies" come to this site not for discussion - but rather to enforce that their opinion is dominant and that dissenters must be abused, attacked, censored, insulted and driven from the site itself

This post is about the sour affect that self appointed censors, net bullies and childish hooligans have on an open public discourse.

Reposted below is my response to the removal of my diary and to the sad state of affairs when fanboy bullies and thugs are allowed to run free at what once was a open forum for civil debate.

I dont come here to tangle in the comments - I come to post diaries. I come to share my personal opinion - as a Labor Democrat - about the future of our Party and our Nation.  Ive stayed quit for a very long time - but obama's sell out of health care reform to big Pharm and big insurance led me back to my keyboard and made me willing to be a public critic.

But every diary I post gets swamped by the same 4 or 5 cyber bullies - who never respond to anything in the diary itself but come just to attack its author in the most childish, petty ways. Then when i respond in kind - many who dont know the history of these repeated attacks then say I must share in half the blame for what has taken place.

Maybe theres truth to that - but why do i/we have to tolerate such bullying hooligism from the start?  Arent their personal attacks on diary authors a violation of site rules?

To try to stop the endless bickering, Ive asked these name calling thugs to stay away from any and all of my diaries - (and i will GLADLY stay out of theirs)since their interest is in taunting - not responding to any well sourced diary that puts obama in a bad - and true light.

Of course they all refuse because - by net law - all net bullies - must always demand to have THE LAST WORD

Its obviously a unstoppable compulsion.  I had one overly persistent heckler post at one diary - over 50 times - just berating and insulting me - calling my words and my own personal bio - a lie  It got so obsessive that i thank the Gods that these sites permit anonymous posting because that kind of out of control taunting - is a sliver away from actual harassment and cyber stalking.

(Note: I find it amazing that thes hooligans are willing to use a word and make a charge like that - TO LIE, LIAR, This is an accusation that is almost unheard of and almost never used in normal ADULT society, but it is used by these thugs constantly, over and over and over again. Its shocking and at the same time quite revealing.  Of course, these online thugs would never speak such a way in person.

As in real life, bullies - net and the kind from childhood - are always at heart, true cowards, and theyd never risk the punch to the jaw that would normally follow from making such an insulting accusation in real life.

What do we do about this?  What can we do about this?
Will the front pagers who run this site stop this bullying?  Dont they understand that these attempts to intimidate others from speaking freely keeps others away from this site and so damages its value in all ways?

Its quite ironic that nowadays dissent against Obama is not only allowed at the DailyKos and Huffpost, it seems to be rising wave.  But at the site where many fled to during the Hillary 'killing time' because it allowed all opinions - is now dominated by a very vocal and small minority (less then 10) who decide - on their own - what is allowed to be discussed here and work to insult, hide, remove or just plain intimidate any post or poster who dares to disagree with their personal opinion..

Its that simple and its scary.  
Self appointed net censors.  
Who'd of thought it would ever come to this?

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Below is my original response to yesterdays backhanded censorship.  Some of it can be read as being taunting to my attackers - but hey - I have been attacked by these wee thugs in every diary since i got here, had just had my diary removed unfairly and I was answering in kind.

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One of the most spiteful, mean spirited and insulting fanboys here - a person who doesnt have the patience or the ability to write well enough to defend obama's disgraceful health care sell out to big pharm and big insurance -  instead comes to my diaries to taunt and to toss personal insults, not to dialogue or explain.

 He then whines in pain and complains how unfair it is - when I respond in kind.

Today, instead of simply infesting my diary with his attacks (like all the fanboy ankle biters - he never has responded to the experts and congressmen I quote in my diaries) he went to "teacher" and whined about how this diary was a "cut and paste" piece and got it removed.

Pure harassment. As if he/these fanboys  (there seems to be about five members of the Obama "thought police" who are here seemingly 24/7 - they all write and act in exactly the same childish ways) ever actually care about "fair use" when they pull this pathetic trick to silence dissenters.

 Not one has ever come to one of my diaries to argue with one of my sources or to simply present an alternative POV.

No, they come just to insult, harass, attack and intimidate.

 Whats happened to this site? Its like an upside down universe - where dissent is now encouraged on Kos and Huff Post - but Stalinistic rules are upheld by a roving bad of net bullies and hooligans here.

 The big question is what do they think they are achieving?

 One of Obamas big problems with the recent electorate - is the insulting perception of arrogance and bullying by his supporters. (teabagers? everytime I hear that phrase i know its losing us votes.  So stupid!)

 So what do the fanboys think is the best way to help their hero - as they linger around here ALL the time? (Don't these boys have jobs?)

By insulting and bullying others and by being arrogant about not allowing differing POV to be allowed???

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Thats brilliant boys...sheer brilliance!


Why they havent invited the lot of you down to DC to help with Obama's message - Ill just never understand!

Fanboy mottos:

If you cant argue with the truth - have the truth removed!

Dissent will not be Allowed.  Dissent will not be tolerated.

Do or say ANYTHING in order to win an "argument".

What is it with these people?  Its as if they believe that if dissent can be removed from this site, that somehow this will protect Obama from the rising anger that many millions of Democrats, Progressives and Independents feel about what he has done (and hasnt done) as President?

 

Do they really live and believe in such a fantasy-land?  Are they really that delusional?

Personally, my simple guess is - Yes.  They are.

Oh well, must suck to be them.

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How many people on the left who have railed about corporatism and fought for 'working families" have been banished from this and other sites by so-called enlightened "progressives" who actually believed that Obama and the Democratic party would save everybody from that hell? (and if you don't like it - tough!)

We were "racists", "haters", PUMAs, "Hillary shills" because we didn't let all of the hope and change glitter blind us.

And there are still die hard Obama supporters here who claim - Just wait!- he doesn't have any power!, hes only been there for 11 months, they'll tell you while trying to convince you that if you just shut up and hang in long enough he will fix everything. And dont you dare to criticize him because then you'll be hurting the Democrats!, they'll insist, as if the Democrats aren't the ones hurting themselves. Then theyll huff and puff and demand fealty, sceaming "he's our president!", they'll shout, as if loyalty to the office trumps everything. (knowing they didnt say or believe that when Bush was in office) But he's not Bush!, they scream, as if the highest bar they can set for the performance of this president is to say that he's better than a war criminal. It's a farce. All of it. Then why are you here?, they wail, not understanding that if you actually do want better Democrats or a better government that you don't just lie down with the various-dogs you already have.

If you obsequiously bow down to the new Prince and back him even as he sells our the very same ideals he sold himself to you to begin with - you are far from the solution, youre actually at the core of our problem.

Progressives and true Democrats must face reality and stick to our principles and demand that either the system or the players change.

And that doesn't mean being a handy wallet to the powers that be who shill for your cash so they can grab a cushy DC power job and stab you in the back once they get there while you foolishly believe that the $10 or $100 you sent in on the internet is some match to the billions spent by corporate lobbyists and wall street bankers and national financiers who really run America and supported Obama from the get-go.

People, It's long past time to wake up.

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Tags: net thugs (all tags)

Comments

73 Comments

Given that...

...your last diary has spent nearly 3 days at the top of the rec list and that there are 96 comments there, nearly 50% of which are by others and a whole 50% by yourself, that what yo term "dissent" has an open field here.  

As for this claim:

Its quite ironic that nowadays dissent against Obama is not only allowed at the DailyKos and Huffpost, it seems to be rising wave.

Markos has been hammering away at Obama and so has Ariana Huffington.  I'd say that there is plenty of room for personality driven anti-Obama "dissent."

But if we disagree with you with regard to tactics and perspective, all we get is name calling while you ignore our arguments.  That's no way to have a conversation.  Many of us who disagree with you or agree with you only in part have tried to respond substantively (you originally read my posts selectively, willfully misread them, and now refuse to read my posts so arguments to the contrary ring empty) only to meet with cliche name-calling.

I'm sorry you are so distressed that we will not join your chorus or embrace your cliches.  But it's silly to cry that you are a silenced victim given the attention you have received in this forum.  

by Strummerson 2009-12-21 06:57AM | 0 recs
Clarification

I didn't mean to imply that Markos's dissent was personality driven and I don't think that about many of the criticism on huffpost either.  I do think that the form of dissent in ludwigvan's diaries focuses far too much on issues of personality, whether Obama's, Clinton's, that of other public figures and of commenters.  Nonetheless, it clearly finds a forum here. Unfortunately, he falsely equates disagreement and opposition to dishonest tactics with censorship.  When you lie about others, you expose yourself to the accusation of being a liar.  But this does not inhibit your speech.

by Strummerson 2009-12-21 08:02AM | 0 recs
Kind of like Freddy Krueger.

Strummerson.  Going through the comments of this child's diaries, I've noticed that most comments are by you, him, or his sockpuppets.  Sometimes it is fun to play with the trolls, but, really, if you just ignored him, he really would go away.

by mikeinsf 2009-12-22 10:16AM | 0 recs
Can we just ignore?

This person does not want any honest debate so why bother to engage?

by jsfox 2009-12-21 07:09AM | 0 recs
Re: I WOULD BE PLEASED AS PUNCH

So all you are looking for is an echo chamber?  There are indeed extant venues where your diaries would meet with universal approval.

by Strummerson 2009-12-21 08:03AM | 0 recs
Not entirely stable???

I don't think this Canuck is mentally stable. Seriously. Now it's just getting weird, whole diaries about being persecuted.

by NoFortunateSon 2009-12-21 09:37AM | 0 recs
Re: no its a whole diary

So you, yourself, admit that this entire diary is about personal animosity?

by Strummerson 2009-12-21 09:42AM | 0 recs
Re: and you - read every word didnt you!

Actually, no one here is a cyber stalker.  A cyber stalker would figure out a way to find your IP address and begin spying on all of your internet activity in order to try to do you harm.  We just respond to the diaries you post here.  That's how blogs work.

by Strummerson 2009-12-21 10:57AM | 0 recs
Re: I WOULD BE PLEASED AS PUNCH

That might very well be the means for getting rid of this troll.  Why not take her advice and ignore her non-productive diaries?

by Khun David 2009-12-21 01:49PM | 0 recs
What's the problem?

If you want to control who participates and who does not, you are free to start your own site.  Otherwise, this is a forum for members in good standing.  If you think you can make the case that I should not be allowed to participate, I invite you to contact the admins.  I would be happy to comply if they asked me to desist responding to your posts and I'd lose little sleep if they banned me.  But you need to make the case to them.  Of course, that would further weaken your credibility on subjects of free discourse and opposition to what you term "censorship." Your prerogative.

As for your factual misrepresentations about my participation, I will confront them where I think necessary.  You indeed resorted to lying about me in one of your first responses to my comment.  You haven't been able to defend or substantiate that lie.  You haven't retracted it.  Your prerogative.  My prerogative to point that out.

by Strummerson 2009-12-21 08:11AM | 0 recs
Re: What's the problem?

But then she wouldn't get any attention.

by Khun David 2009-12-21 01:50PM | 0 recs
Re: lookee - my stalker

Calling me names does not have any bearing on the substance of my response to this diary and your accusations.  At least not with the vast majority of this community.

by Strummerson 2009-12-21 08:25AM | 0 recs
Hmm...

Are you perhaps The Meatprod?  You seem to share a certain viewpoint and style of "engaging" critics.

by TexasDarling 2009-12-21 08:59AM | 0 recs
totally (n/t)

by fogiv 2009-12-21 09:04AM | 0 recs
Re: no

You are the only one telling people what can be said.

Other people are just disagreeing with you.

I somewhat agree with you... Obama is a centrist (which in the US means right-leaning), where I disagree is that label applies to other prominent democrats as well.

by labor nrrd 2009-12-21 11:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Public comment to All

All else aside, I've just gotta ask:

Do you have any fucking idea what a paragraph is?

by fogiv 2009-12-21 09:02AM | 0 recs
Re: OH

Seems like a "no" to me.

by Strummerson 2009-12-21 10:58AM | 0 recs
Re: WONDER IF

I'm not stalking you.  I am not even responding to you.  I am responding to your arguments in a community forum.

And don't fool yourself that these repeated and misleading rants about me aren't responding to me.  They just respond to a twisted view of my persona as opposed to responding to arguments, something this diary purports to call for.

I'm sorry for your distress.  Perhaps engaging arguments instead of throwing tantrums and calling people names would alleviate that and make way for some sort of productive interaction with others on this site.

You might begin by retracting the lie you told about me harassing Clinton supporters during the primaries and apologizing for it.  In the mean time, I think any reader would recognize that my comments here are quite on topic.

by Strummerson 2009-12-21 09:03AM | 0 recs
point of information

What is a "Holligan"?

by Strummerson 2009-12-21 10:06AM | 0 recs
Re: point of information
Oh, thanks for clarifying.  From your change I see you meant "hooligans." That makes more sense.  Are there rogues and ruffians about as well?  
Egads!  Mercy!
by Strummerson 2009-12-21 11:10AM | 0 recs
This diary absolutely rocks, haven't read such

hilarious stuff for a while. I haven't laughed this much since Seinfeld days. I was laughing so hard while reading this diary that I almost had an asthma attack. Seriously, are you Larry David or Larry Charles or maybe Jerry Seinfeld himself?

I'm curious, how did you get into Columbia U.?

by louisprandtl 2009-12-21 10:39AM | 0 recs
Re: yo mama

Wow.  Civility rules in ludwigvan's tantrum diaries.  I'm just wondering whether you actually know louis's "mama." I'll bet she's as much of a class act as he is.  I envy you the opportunity to make her acquaintance.

by Strummerson 2009-12-21 10:55AM | 0 recs
Well, I can assure you if he ever met her,

he'll be brushing his teeth clean, and would be tending to his red ears!

by louisprandtl 2009-12-21 10:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Well, I can assure you if he ever met her,

I, on the other hand, would offer her refreshment and compliment her on her son.

by Strummerson 2009-12-21 10:59AM | 0 recs
Thanks. She is quite busy with her

writing and literature society and visiting her daughters.

by louisprandtl 2009-12-21 11:08AM | 0 recs
Gee, thanks for replying. If I ever meet Dr.

Bollinger, I will congratulate him for producing such fine specimen from his illustrious institution.

by louisprandtl 2009-12-21 10:55AM | 0 recs
Re: maybe in your mext life

It's so easy to impress the U of C Law faculty.  Real gullible numbskulls.  I bet you could get a position there.  Couldn't you?

by Strummerson 2009-12-21 11:11AM | 0 recs
Now you really reveal yourself spouting

rightwing nut theories. Obama transferred in to Columbia U. from Occidental College. You seem to have a problem with that. And are you alleging that Obama got into Harvard Law School as an affirmative action candidate?
Am I seriously reading this in a progressive blog? Why aren't you back at your Confluence?

And seriously the last thing you should do is to waive an undergrad degree at me!

by louisprandtl 2009-12-21 11:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Now you really reveal yourself spouting

Careful.  He may be getting ready to produce Obama's "certificate of birth." It's really a shame to see how the blog is censoring him and impeding him from "inflicting the truth" (his phrase) on us.

by Strummerson 2009-12-21 11:30AM | 0 recs
Orly's brother? Is he?

by louisprandtl 2009-12-21 11:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Orly's brother? Is he?

I have no idea.  Claims to be a professional dem political operative with ties to Harkin and the Clintons.

by Strummerson 2009-12-21 11:39AM | 0 recs
Ouch..must be on Mark Penn's payroll..

by louisprandtl 2009-12-21 11:48AM | 0 recs
In this economy

I'm pretty forgiving about how people get paid.

by Strummerson 2009-12-21 03:18PM | 0 recs
sorry not for such incompetence of Mark Penn..

by louisprandtl 2009-12-21 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: oh yeah - im a right winger!

If yo don't care where anyone went to college, why do you spend so much time talking about your experiences at Columbia?

by Strummerson 2009-12-21 12:08PM | 0 recs
So are you angry with Obama that he got into

Harvard Law but you couldn't despite your fine credentials? All because of a tick mark in a box..

by louisprandtl 2009-12-21 12:15PM | 0 recs
I'm so glad that you're in.

by louisprandtl 2009-12-21 01:35PM | 0 recs
So what did you study?

by louisprandtl 2009-12-21 03:12PM | 0 recs
Re: better to have ben in

Practically skull and bones.  Or the Gambino family.

by Strummerson 2009-12-21 03:19PM | 0 recs
that's yale...

by louisprandtl 2009-12-21 03:50PM | 0 recs
i meant skulls and bones

by louisprandtl 2009-12-21 03:51PM | 0 recs
Re: i meant skulls and bones

Granted.  The point is all of this elitist clubbiness seems to explain the disdain for the unemployed.

by Strummerson 2009-12-21 03:53PM | 0 recs
Do you know the definition?

You complain about thought-police and your are prevented from dissenting.  How is this happening?  I see your diaries.

Instead you complain that people are being mean to you?  And that if some writes their opinion on this blog (that is not yours) that is unacceptable.

To me it is ironic to claim the thought-police are stopping you (even though your diaries are up) and yet are insisting that others should not have a right to express their opinion.  I am no Alanis Morissette, but seems to fit the definition.

In addition, you claim that people that do not know the history of this poster would get the wrong idea about your exchanges, yet how many people know that this is probably your tenth username on this blog?

by labor nrrd 2009-12-21 11:19AM | 0 recs
Welcome..we need "more" resurrections

of sockpuppets from the earlier generations..

by louisprandtl 2009-12-21 12:28PM | 0 recs
Of course there are more sockpuppets

than real people in the blogs..please resurrect them all...

by louisprandtl 2009-12-21 12:46PM | 0 recs
Forgive

my Jewish ignorance.  But aren't we supposed to be about nativity now?  I thought all the resurrection stuff came at Passover.

by Strummerson 2009-12-21 03:22PM | 0 recs
I don't know much about religious practices..

The thought of the assembly line of cloned sockpuppets just blew my mind..

by louisprandtl 2009-12-21 04:19PM | 0 recs
How can a product of the sockpuppet

assembly own the plant itself? BTW where's the spawning ground?

by louisprandtl 2009-12-22 04:09PM | 0 recs
Um...

reading diaries on myDD isn't stalking.

by Khun David 2009-12-21 01:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Time to speak up!

Are other opinions welcome there?  In the name of free speech?

by Strummerson 2009-12-21 03:21PM | 0 recs
See Charlies

THIS is why people like to come here and post diaries to encite flame wars so they can go back to other blogs and laugh about it.

by ND22 2009-12-21 04:49PM | 0 recs
Do you really want to go down like this Charles?

Do you really want to lend your reputation to site infamous for it's troll sockpuppets? As if we don't know ludvig and more are the same person?

You're better than this dude, you're much too smart and informed to lend your reputation to this place.

by ND22 2009-12-21 06:25PM | 0 recs
On the one hand...

... he seems well-informed and relatively smart.  On the other, he was a front-pager at No Quarter well after it became clear that it was a site for racist nutball conspiracy theorists.

by TexasDarling 2009-12-21 07:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Wow Baby Einstein!

Oh when the saints

Oh when the saints

Oh when the saints come trolling in...

by Strummerson 2009-12-21 06:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Wow Baby Einstein!

Good one.

Got anything else?

Maybe something that is a bit less dependent upon a cliche?

by Strummerson 2009-12-21 06:45PM | 0 recs
Who is we? More and More More and

More More More?

by louisprandtl 2009-12-21 06:42PM | 0 recs
Eureka!

At last, it clicked.  I give you more more more.  How could I forget one of the classic Elder Trolls?

by TexasDarling 2009-12-21 07:04PM | 0 recs
wow.

jerome - please clean up your fucking blog.

by canadian gal 2009-12-21 07:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Remember the Rezko.

Yeah Chicago is a horrible place.  Everyone from Chicago is EEEEEVILLLL.

by Strummerson 2009-12-22 10:23AM | 0 recs
Re: be brave

Our hero!

Are you familiar with the concept of "delusions of grandeur?"

Far as I can tell, you two are the only ones around here trying to silence others.  I know.  I know.  I'm not welcome in your diary...because you support a diversity of perspectives and the right to air them.

by Strummerson 2009-12-22 09:48AM | 0 recs
Re: thats so rasicst!

We're so much smarter than those fanboys.

by Strummerson 2009-12-22 10:09AM | 0 recs
Re: thats so rasicst!

Yeah, those misogynist Obots wouldn't know a progressive if one hit them in their drooling faces.

by Strummerson 2009-12-22 10:10AM | 0 recs
Re: thats so rasicst!

They should all be banned for trying to censor the truth.

by Strummerson 2009-12-22 10:12AM | 0 recs
Re: my god 4!

No one ones me but beautiful beautiful Barack, who pays me with TARP money and has a deep-seated hatred of white people.  Especially women.

NEW CLICHES PLEASE!

by Strummerson 2009-12-22 10:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Do Thought Police Hooligans

Heh.  Yeah.  And they should get lives and jobs and educations.  Looosers.

by Strummerson 2009-12-22 10:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Do Thought Police Hooligans

Jerks.  They are as lazy as the rest of the poor.  All they do is hang around here.  Unlike us.  Who don't hang around here insulting people all day long.

by Strummerson 2009-12-22 10:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Do Thought Police Hooligans

I'll never forgive those cheerleading boyz for disrespecting Palin while worshiping "The One." Their man-crush is so disgusting.  

by Strummerson 2009-12-22 10:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Do Thought Police Hooligans

Yeah.  They are like boyz who like boyz.  Yuck.  I bet they are homophobes too.

by Strummerson 2009-12-22 10:22AM | 0 recs
SEE

We know your entire script.

What else have you to offer anyone?

by Strummerson 2009-12-22 10:26AM | 0 recs
Re: MY GOD IT WAS 9!

I only dream about Barry's monkey!

by Strummerson 2009-12-22 10:33AM | 0 recs
Re: MY GOD IT WAS 9!

And please enjoy these treats from our glorious leader.  He wants me to give you more.

by Strummerson 2009-12-22 10:35AM | 0 recs
Re: oooooh-ps!

Welcome back to the fight.  This time, I'm sure we'll win.

Louie, I think this is going to be the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

by Strummerson 2009-12-22 10:29AM | 0 recs
did you mean ludwig?

by louisprandtl 2009-12-22 05:05PM | 0 recs

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