Do Thought Police Hooligans & Net Bullies Keep Others from Coming to myDD?
by ludwigvan, Mon Dec 21, 2009 at 06:31:04 AM EST
Below is a addendum to a diary of mine - health care frauds and fantasies - that I posted yesterday and which was later removed because of a bogus complaint that it was a 'cut and paste ' diary. This was, in reality, nothing but an attempt to remove any dissenting view that is critical of Obama by one of the self appointed "thought policemen' that roam, patrol and now dominate this site.
I separated it from the other diary - because these are two separate issues.
The other diary - through the statements of leading progressives - points out the reality that it was obama himself who killed the public option. That too is my opinion and i came here to write a diary about this at myDD. isnt that what myDD was founded for - a place to share and discuss political opinions amongst other Dems and Progressives? If you go visit that diary - you will see that it is flooded by comments - most of them personal ad hom attacks on me - by people who never even respons to thepeople quoted in the diary itself. These 'cyber thugs" or 'net bullies" come to this site not for discussion - but rather to enforce that their opinion is dominant and that dissenters must be abused, attacked, censored, insulted and driven from the site itself
This post is about the sour affect that self appointed censors, net bullies and childish hooligans have on an open public discourse.
Reposted below is my response to the removal of my diary and to the sad state of affairs when fanboy bullies and thugs are allowed to run free at what once was a open forum for civil debate.
I dont come here to tangle in the comments - I come to post diaries. I come to share my personal opinion - as a Labor Democrat - about the future of our Party and our Nation. Ive stayed quit for a very long time - but obama's sell out of health care reform to big Pharm and big insurance led me back to my keyboard and made me willing to be a public critic.
But every diary I post gets swamped by the same 4 or 5 cyber bullies - who never respond to anything in the diary itself but come just to attack its author in the most childish, petty ways. Then when i respond in kind - many who dont know the history of these repeated attacks then say I must share in half the blame for what has taken place.
Maybe theres truth to that - but why do i/we have to tolerate such bullying hooligism from the start? Arent their personal attacks on diary authors a violation of site rules?
To try to stop the endless bickering, Ive asked these name calling thugs to stay away from any and all of my diaries - (and i will GLADLY stay out of theirs)since their interest is in taunting - not responding to any well sourced diary that puts obama in a bad - and true light.
Of course they all refuse because - by net law - all net bullies - must always demand to have THE LAST WORD
Its obviously a unstoppable compulsion. I had one overly persistent heckler post at one diary - over 50 times - just berating and insulting me - calling my words and my own personal bio - a lie It got so obsessive that i thank the Gods that these sites permit anonymous posting because that kind of out of control taunting - is a sliver away from actual harassment and cyber stalking.
(Note: I find it amazing that thes hooligans are willing to use a word and make a charge like that - TO LIE, LIAR, This is an accusation that is almost unheard of and almost never used in normal ADULT society, but it is used by these thugs constantly, over and over and over again. Its shocking and at the same time quite revealing. Of course, these online thugs would never speak such a way in person.As in real life, bullies - net and the kind from childhood - are always at heart, true cowards, and theyd never risk the punch to the jaw that would normally follow from making such an insulting accusation in real life.
What do we do about this? What can we do about this?
Will the front pagers who run this site stop this bullying? Dont they understand that these attempts to intimidate others from speaking freely keeps others away from this site and so damages its value in all ways?
Its quite ironic that nowadays dissent against Obama is not only allowed at the DailyKos and Huffpost, it seems to be rising wave. But at the site where many fled to during the Hillary 'killing time' because it allowed all opinions - is now dominated by a very vocal and small minority (less then 10) who decide - on their own - what is allowed to be discussed here and work to insult, hide, remove or just plain intimidate any post or poster who dares to disagree with their personal opinion..
Its that simple and its scary.
Self appointed net censors.
Who'd of thought it would ever come to this?
Below is my original response to yesterdays backhanded censorship. Some of it can be read as being taunting to my attackers - but hey - I have been attacked by these wee thugs in every diary since i got here, had just had my diary removed unfairly and I was answering in kind.
One of the most spiteful, mean spirited and insulting fanboys here - a person who doesnt have the patience or the ability to write well enough to defend obama's disgraceful health care sell out to big pharm and big insurance - instead comes to my diaries to taunt and to toss personal insults, not to dialogue or explain.
He then whines in pain and complains how unfair it is - when I respond in kind.
Today, instead of simply infesting my diary with his attacks (like all the fanboy ankle biters - he never has responded to the experts and congressmen I quote in my diaries) he went to "teacher" and whined about how this diary was a "cut and paste" piece and got it removed.
Pure harassment. As if he/these fanboys (there seems to be about five members of the Obama "thought police" who are here seemingly 24/7 - they all write and act in exactly the same childish ways) ever actually care about "fair use" when they pull this pathetic trick to silence dissenters.
Not one has ever come to one of my diaries to argue with one of my sources or to simply present an alternative POV.
No, they come just to insult, harass, attack and intimidate.
Whats happened to this site? Its like an upside down universe - where dissent is now encouraged on Kos and Huff Post - but Stalinistic rules are upheld by a roving bad of net bullies and hooligans here.
The big question is what do they think they are achieving?
One of Obamas big problems with the recent electorate - is the insulting perception of arrogance and bullying by his supporters. (teabagers? everytime I hear that phrase i know its losing us votes. So stupid!)
So what do the fanboys think is the best way to help their hero - as they linger around here ALL the time? (Don't these boys have jobs?)
By insulting and bullying others and by being arrogant about not allowing differing POV to be allowed???
Thats brilliant boys...sheer brilliance!
Why they havent invited the lot of you down to DC to help with Obama's message - Ill just never understand!
If you cant argue with the truth - have the truth removed!
Dissent will not be Allowed. Dissent will not be tolerated.
Do or say ANYTHING in order to win an "argument".
What is it with these people? Its as if they believe that if dissent can be removed from this site, that somehow this will protect Obama from the rising anger that many millions of Democrats, Progressives and Independents feel about what he has done (and hasnt done) as President?
Personally, my simple guess is - Yes. They are.
Oh well, must suck to be them.
How many people on the left who have railed about corporatism and fought for 'working families" have been banished from this and other sites by so-called enlightened "progressives" who actually believed that Obama and the Democratic party would save everybody from that hell? (and if you don't like it - tough!)
We were "racists", "haters", PUMAs, "Hillary shills" because we didn't let all of the hope and change glitter blind us.
And there are still die hard Obama supporters here who claim - Just wait!- he doesn't have any power!, hes only been there for 11 months, they'll tell you while trying to convince you that if you just shut up and hang in long enough he will fix everything. And dont you dare to criticize him because then you'll be hurting the Democrats!, they'll insist, as if the Democrats aren't the ones hurting themselves. Then theyll huff and puff and demand fealty, sceaming "he's our president!", they'll shout, as if loyalty to the office trumps everything. (knowing they didnt say or believe that when Bush was in office) But he's not Bush!, they scream, as if the highest bar they can set for the performance of this president is to say that he's better than a war criminal. It's a farce. All of it. Then why are you here?, they wail, not understanding that if you actually do want better Democrats or a better government that you don't just lie down with the various-dogs you already have.
If you obsequiously bow down to the new Prince and back him even as he sells our the very same ideals he sold himself to you to begin with - you are far from the solution, youre actually at the core of our problem.
Progressives and true Democrats must face reality and stick to our principles and demand that either the system or the players change.
And that doesn't mean being a handy wallet to the powers that be who shill for your cash so they can grab a cushy DC power job and stab you in the back once they get there while you foolishly believe that the $10 or $100 you sent in on the internet is some match to the billions spent by corporate lobbyists and wall street bankers and national financiers who really run America and supported Obama from the get-go.
People, It's long past time to wake up.-----------------