NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeting

Normally I hate to post political diaries but today's NYTimes report is very disturbing and very unfortunate development. A group of seemingly organized Obama supporters are interrupting Senator Clinton speech at Shepherdstown, WVa with boos and catcalls and heckled Chelsea Clinton. If the Senator Obama campaign is remotely associated with this organized heckling, he should immediately ask his campaign to stop this nonsense. In this case his campaign is embarking on very divisive territory. In case the campaign is not associated they should immediately condemn this behavior from his supposed supporters. Believe me, this is going to wreck any chances of unity for his nomination process. HRC supporters would be more than determined to follow this up all the way to Denver. More I see this side of Obama supporters, it gives me more pauses...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/us/pol itics/08clinton.html

On what was probably one of the toughest days of her campaign so far, with pundits and analysts of all stripes declaring her presidential candidacy finished, Mrs. Clinton put on her battle face Wednesday and confronted what was at times a hostile crowd at a hastily arranged speech here at Shepherd University.

Mrs. Clinton endured boos when she mentioned her proposal for a gasoline tax holiday, catcalls when she spoke of ending the Iraq war and, most difficult of all, the heckling of her daughter, Chelsea, who introduced her.

"End the dynasty!" a young man holding an Obama poster shouted when Chelsea Clinton stepped to the microphone.

But the modestly sized audience applauded at the appropriate times and, except for an unusually large and at times vocal contingent of Obama supporters in the crowd, the appearance went off without incident.

Update [2008-5-8 1:13:14 by louisprandtl]: Obama supporters similarly boo-ed HRC and Gov. Easley at the annual North Carolina Democratic Party's Jefferson Jackson Dinner.http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/05/02/politics/fromtheroad/entry4068514.shtml

Tags: boos, catcalls, HRC speech, Obama Supporters (all tags)

Comments

197 Comments

Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

What in God's name makes you think this was some kind of official campaign effort?

by amiches 2008-05-07 06:21PM | 0 recs
I didn't. There are only two options, either
his campaign is involved or not. It is very difficult to imagine that randomly a contingent of Obama supporters turned out at HRC meeting with any organized effort. Under any case in my opinion he or his campaign needs to condemn this...
 
by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 06:25PM | 0 recs
Re: I didn't. There are only two options, either

Hmm, yes, on a college campus its very difficult to imagine young, vociferous Obama supporters going to a political rally. Truly, I cannot fathom it.

Truth be told, if she brought that gas tax nonsense up in a rally I was at, I'd probably boo too. That's honestly the only thing a politician has done in my lifetime that's actually insulting to my intelligence and that of the American people.

by amiches 2008-05-07 06:29PM | 0 recs
Re: I didn't. There are only two options, either

Democratic politician, that is.

by amiches 2008-05-07 06:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry, but.....

I save the boo'ing for Bush and Rethugs.

by KnowVox 2008-05-07 06:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry, but.....

Okay, and I save mine for Republican ideas, of which the "gas tax holiday" is one. Six of one, half dozen of the other.

by amiches 2008-05-07 07:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry, but.....

Not paying for a gas holiday is a Rethug idea.

Using record profits by oil companies to fund a tax break for the rest of us is NOT a Rethug idea.

by KnowVox 2008-05-07 07:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry, but.....

No, using record profits for investment into alternative energy to give the rest of us a break is  not a rethug idea.

by grass 2008-05-07 08:43PM | 0 recs
In that case...

May I assume that you will boo Obama if he ever dares to bring up his belief, during a live campaign speech, that we should look at partial privatization of Social Security?

by Montague 2008-05-07 08:59PM | 0 recs
That is not his plan.

Obama has no plan to privatize social security in the least.  Remember he was in the Senate when Bush pushed his SS privatization plan.  If he was a Democrat in support of Bush's plan, they would have used him to promote the idea.  No, he has no plans to privatize SS and has promised not to privatize SS.

by nklein 2008-05-07 10:19PM | 0 recs
Re: That is not his plan.

Did you read what I wrote?  I didn't say he has PLANS.  I said that what he said (and you can go find a link for yourself, I'm not going to bother) was that all options are on the table and partial privatization was something to consider.  He has NOT promised not to privatize Social Security.

He also supports considering using public money for vouchers to give money to private schools, rather than doing what this country needs badly to do, which is fix the public school system.

by Montague 2008-05-08 07:41AM | 0 recs
He supports plans to solve the

potential shortfall in SS.  He did not agree to or mention partial privatization.  Further more he was one of the people in the Senate fighting against Bush's proposal.  He doesn't believe in privatizing SS, maybe you should do a google search to make sure you don't have you facts mixed up.

by nklein 2008-05-08 07:52AM | 0 recs
Re: He supports plans to solve the

Do your own search.  My memory is good.

by Montague 2008-05-08 02:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry, but.....
Yes, but it gets old that every time some random-ass Obama supporter does something improper, people here always:
(a.) hurl accusations of it being officially coordinated by the campaign itself,
(b.) demand that Obama denounce/disapprove/reject/scold/express dismay about it,
(c.) hurl further accusations at Obama if he doesn't denounce/disapprove/reject/scold/express dismay about it or doesn't do it fast enough,
and of course...
(d.) Make overwrought blanket generalizations about how evil and wretched ALL of us Obama supporters are and how the random-ass guy embodies why they'll never, ever vote for Obama.
by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-05-07 07:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry, but.....

Is Hillary going to denounce Begala's comments last night on CNN?

by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle 2008-05-07 07:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry, but.....

why waste time responding to such an obvious disingenuous moral appeal.

I bet s/he would boo Howard Dean if he got up in front of him/her and laid down the law on FL and MI.

Do you really think s/he would act like a good little Democrat and accept his verdict?

HA!

After 6 months of right wing garbage being foisted on us Obama supporters from the likes of Clinton admirers here it will be funny to watch them act like martyrs for the party 'compromising their progressive values' for Obama.

Progressive values like insinuating being black disqualifies you from being President circa 2008.

by ameridad 2008-05-07 08:11PM | 0 recs
Disingenous moral appeal? Sorry Good Sire,

I'm not appealing to anybody. I was not seeking to waste your invaluable time.

BTW I was a Deaniac in 2004, part of DFA. I don't need any recommendation from you Sir, on how to respond to Dr. Dean. Thanks for stopping by..

by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 08:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Disingenous moral appeal? Sorry Good Sire,

Sorry, but..... (2.00 / 5)

I save the boo'ing for Bush and Rethugs.

I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:35:05 PM EST

But hey your diary was terrible too, so I guess I understand why you thought I was talking about you.

There is a reason the progressive net was overwhelmingly in favor of Obama.

People reading politics online are paying attention.

Progressives don't pretend away the atrocious Clinton campaign.

Progressives DENOUNCE religious tests, not embrace them and promote them.

Progressives do NOT threaten other countries to score political points at home.

And, Progressives do NOT vote for a war sending 4000+ American troops to die without at least reading the intel. (Progressive know about innocent civilians)

by ameridad 2008-05-07 08:44PM | 0 recs
Thanks for the definition of a progressive.

Again..I don't need your certification of being a progressive or a liberal. Not all progressives are supporting Senator Obama this primary. Thanks for your comment.

by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 08:55PM | 0 recs
No indeed not

But none I know supporting Clinton pretend away those flaws, like I said above.

by ameridad 2008-05-07 09:06PM | 0 recs
Ok..I'm missing your point...who are

you talking about and who is pretending away these flaws? I'm just another "low information" poorly educated person.

by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 09:28PM | 0 recs
See,

I don't hold it against 'low info' voters. I have several in my family.

They are very busy people with families and hobbies.

politics has been my hobby for a very long time. Most of the low info voters I know at home and work seek my council when breaking news concerns them or a candidate interests them.

They listen to me because I tell them the truth. I don't ever try and manipulate them with spin, or leave out unflattering bits.

I never accused you of any of this. I think you know as well as I those who will pretend away for the sake of the Hillary candidacy.

by ameridad 2008-05-07 09:35PM | 0 recs
Ok..look I seriously was getting confused
before..I was beginning to think we are cross-talking...thanks for clarifying. Although I beg to differ on your conclusions about Hillary and supporters..But then the point of the diary wasn't that.
I'm more interested in the Nov. GE (with Senator Obama likely to get the nomination). I strongly think that booing HRC by Obama's supporters is divisive and counter-productive..that was my point..thanks for reading..
by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 09:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry, but.....

"Progressive values like insinuating being black disqualifies you from being President circa 2008."

All Obama and his supportoers seem to know how to do to win elections is empty, vacuous bluster, viciousness, and fraudulently playing the race card. How disgusting. I will never vote for such garbage.

by 07rescue 2008-05-08 12:24AM | 0 recs
great

i'll be sure to add one more to my goal of signing up new registrants to fill your spot this fall.

by ameridad 2008-05-08 12:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry, but.....

Thugs - in word and deed - seem to be attracted to the Obama campaign.  They may not be official but they are representative of an attitude.

by Tolstoy 2008-05-07 09:54PM | 0 recs
Why is it necessary for you to call us thugs?

This is sad.  This is a campaign and its been agressive, but to call one campaign or their supporters thugs is ridiculous.  If there 16 million thugs we would have much worse problems than we currently have.  Why is it that you so callously throw that word out to attack a BLACK candidate for the Democratic party?  It's inappropriate, it's against MYDD guidelines and it should be stopped.

by nklein 2008-05-07 10:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Why is it necessary for you to call us thugs?

Re-read my post.  You drew inferences which aren't there.

by Tolstoy 2008-05-08 10:10AM | 0 recs
Really?

"Thugs - in word and deed - seem to be attracted to the Obama campaign."  There is not much ambiguity in that statement.  You are saying that thugs are attracted to Obama's campaign.  I was attracted to Obama's campaign.  Thus you're saying I'm a thug.  You're statement is wrong on its face.

by nklein 2008-05-08 08:43PM | 0 recs
Re: I didn't. There are only two options, either

No, that prize goes to all three candidates for their waffling on vaccines...

by tomchaps 2008-05-07 07:13PM | 0 recs
Indeed

If anyone came to me pushing those untruths I'd boo them very loudly.  

by Student Guy 2008-05-07 07:44PM | 0 recs
Hey looks like you're back..taking

a breather from surgery classes?

by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 08:03PM | 0 recs
Actually term ended so I have a little break

though I am not as active I was in the past due to increased study loads (Boards...)

by Student Guy 2008-05-08 03:30PM | 0 recs
med school and blogging are not exactly

compatible unfortunately. good luck with your studies. Boards mean USMLE?

by louisprandtl 2008-05-08 03:37PM | 0 recs
Yeah

Step 1 is coming up in a bit...  I be AWOL for a while due to that.

Thanks for the well wishes.

by Student Guy 2008-05-08 06:59PM | 0 recs
Re: I didn't. There are only two options, either

"That's honestly the only thing a politician has done in my lifetime that's actually insulting to my intelligence and that of the American people. "

Snort.

LOLOLOLOL.  Come ooooooonnnn.

by Scotch 2008-05-07 06:42PM | 0 recs
Re: I didn't. There are only two options, either

That's honestly the only thing a politician has done in my lifetime that's actually insulting to my intelligence and that of the American people.

Then you are either very young or not very intelligent.

by ineedalife 2008-05-07 07:44PM | 0 recs
Re: I didn't. There are only two options, either

Obama supports this kind of behavior. It's intentional. You didn't see him freaking out over Randi Rhodes and you won't see him discouraging this either.

This is the kind of candidate he is. He's utterly contemptous of Clinton and he has no problems with any attack on her that his supporters dream up.

Why would you be surprised that the movement that thinks it's hilarious to say that Clinton is a fucking whore would have problems with this?

by Little Otter 2008-05-07 06:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Good point.

Did he ever apologize for his pastor's lewd "Monica Lewinski" remark? Or saying Hillary "ain't never been called a N*gger?"  I never heard one.

by KnowVox 2008-05-07 06:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Good point.

I don't apologize for things other people say -- do you?

by politicsmatters 2008-05-07 06:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Good point.

Your candidate has done so numerous times:

Punjab-gate
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2007/06/18/AR2007061801752. html

"Monster" remark
http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2908

Etc, etc. Just google "Obama" and "apologizes"

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i e=ISO-8859-1&q=%22obama+apologizes%2 2

by KnowVox 2008-05-07 06:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Good point.

A NY Times article quotes a Clinton supporter in Indiana as believing Obama to be the Antichrist. Why hasn't she apologized for this?

by amiches 2008-05-07 07:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Good point.

Is the supporter a nationally syndicated talk show host widely listened to in Democratic circles who has endorsed Obama speaking at an event organized by Obama supporters, for obama supporters, in support of a radio station that has endorsed Obama and advertised on a website provided by Obama?

by Little Otter 2008-05-07 08:19PM | 0 recs
ah, outside of this little circle....

nobody listens to talk radio....exists in a vacuum....nada....nothing....got it?

by trubble 2008-05-07 08:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Good point.

Watch it here...Obama and his campaign did NOT support or sponsor this randi rhodes event - that is a fact.  an obama supporter advertised the event on her 'my obama' site...which anyone can do.  Do you really think that Obama can monitor every post or comment on his website?  He has no obligation to apologize for that idiot randis' remarks than he has to apologize for something you might say - she is a supporter, not part of his campaign.

over the weekend, in a diner in Indiana, a man refused to shake Obama's hand - said he could not vote for him (he will vote for Hillary) because he just knows he is a muslim.  
The hatred of Obama on some sites (Taylor Marsh, no quarter, hillaryis44, hillary1000, etc. is beyond anything I have ever seen on the obama sites - are we going to ask for an apology?

by mariannie 2008-05-07 09:36PM | 0 recs
The event you mention is a horrible

event. There are really offensive racist folks still around. Even as late as 2003 in a mid size town in a southeastern State, I saw at a restaurant a waitress refused to serve an elderly African American gentleman. My friends and I decided to walk out of the restaurant.

by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 09:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Good point.

People with morals - decent people - would be appalled that that happened in their name. Obama wasn't. It would have taken him five minutes to make clear that the diatribe was unacceptable in his name. He didn't. So fine. I won't vote for him because I dont vote for misogynistic thugs.

No one is more hateful and rude than Obama supporters. Christ, they were out heckling Chelsea today. they called Digby a cunt and made her shut down her comments. Taylor Marsh has had to shut down comments because of the abuse and threats from Obama supporters. Obamas campaign threatened super delegates with primary challenges unless they support Obama. Tavis Smiley called Obama out and Obama supporters tracked down his elderly mother and threatened her and his brother. obama supporters threatened John Lewis, for God sakes. You don't hear that kind of thug crap about the Clinton camp.

by Little Otter 2008-05-07 10:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Good point.

When is Hillary going to apologize for the terrible things done in her name?

by amiches 2008-05-08 02:33AM | 0 recs
Ummmm

Because that supporter wasn't Hillary's foreign-policy advisor?

by Montague 2008-05-07 09:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Good point.

So Obama does apologize for others remarks? Hmm...

by politicsmatters 2008-05-07 07:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Heckling

Indeed, these Obama "supporters" should be officially condemned by the campaign. Let's see whether Obama is a man of integrity. Or not.

by KnowVox 2008-05-07 06:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Heckling

KnowVox, a Clinton supporter in Indiana was widely quoted by national media this week as believing Obama to be "the Antichrist from the Middle East". When will Hillary apologize for this egregious attack, obviously coordinated by her campaign?

by amiches 2008-05-07 07:12PM | 0 recs
Please avoid personal attacks..Thanks

by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 07:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Please avoid personal attacks..Thanks

So you were the one who called him the antichrist?

by username3 2008-05-07 07:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Please avoid personal attacks..Thanks

I think you misunderstood. He was addressing KnowVox conversationally, not using him as the subject of the sentence.

ie, "Hey, KnowVox, did you hear that a Clinton supporter in Indiana called Obama the AntiChrist?"

not like this: "The notorious Clinton supporter KnowVox publically proclaimed yesterday that Obama is the AntiChrist."

It's not a personal attack.

by X Stryker 2008-05-07 07:36PM | 0 recs
Ok..Sorry if I misread...thanks for the

clarification..

by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 07:48PM | 0 recs
Re: I didn't. There are only two options, either
College kids protesting? Being disrespectful?
The article the diarist quoted also said, "Mrs. Clinton was showing symptoms of denial or of being divorced from reality." Is that the view of the author or of the rude protestors?
by catilinus 2008-05-07 06:31PM | 0 recs
It reminds me of the GOP tactics in Florida

in 2000

by architek 2008-05-07 08:43PM | 0 recs
Re: It reminds me of the GOP tactics in Florida

Gop in Florida in 2000? I don't get it. You mean a candidate having a family member in charge of a political machine in a state? You must be referring to Jeb Bush in Florida

by catilinus 2008-05-08 04:40AM | 0 recs
Re: I didn't. There are only two options, either

Actually, as it turns out, it's really easy to use the internet to organize these sorts of things.

Go figure.

by vann 2008-05-07 06:39PM | 0 recs
Re: I didn't. There are only two options, either

Indeed.  

Also, I bet that the campus publicized this to their students. That sounds like the normal thing colleges do. We did it when Hillary came to our campus for our state's contest.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-07 06:51PM | 0 recs
Re: I didn't. There are only two options, either

You are really making healing the party more difficult with boasts like this.

by DaleA 2008-05-07 07:17PM | 0 recs
Re: I didn't. There are only two options, either

What boasts?

I'm just saying that it's very likely that students learned about the visit from the university publicizing it and that there was NO need for "the Obama campaign' to have been involved.

I'm an academic administrator and when Hillary Clinton came to our campus earlier this year, we publicized it to our students.

We did the same thing in 2004 when Edwards came, and also that year when a Bush daughter came.

Colleges and universities love to publicize these visits; they end up in the local and state papers and are good pr for the institution.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-07 07:25PM | 0 recs
Actually Mrs. Clinton added the stop at 3 a.m.
Wednesday (this is from NYT report). I'm not sure whether the University officials would have enough time to publicize the visits..but then as an University administrator you would know better than me and can correct me.
 
by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 07:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Actually Mrs. Clinton added the stop at 3 a.m.

Our campus has an internal e-mail/blackboard system which can be used to post notices but also to send e-mails to everyone or to subsets of the students or faculty.  That's our first step in publicizing something that's happening with short notice.

It probably would be too late for posters, but not necessarily for announcements in some classes, or for handbills, and certainly not for electronic communication.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-07 07:42PM | 0 recs
Thanks for the details of university

communications. I would think now-a-days message texting would also be used, no?

by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 07:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks for the details of university

We are currently using that only for part of the emergency system. It was implemented after the Virginia Tech shootings.

Of course, the students all text each other.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-07 08:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Actually Mrs. Clinton added the stop at 3 a.m.

In fact, colleges usually post their messages (email) in the middle of the night...the mass emails go out then.

by mariannie 2008-05-07 09:38PM | 0 recs
No need for e-mail

Hundred of schools use Pipeline to provide e-mail services to students. In addition to regular e-mail it also has a way to broadcast messages (and ads for concerts, etc.) to students without using e-mail. The messages are instantaneous and appear before the student enters the e-mail client.

by professor 2008-05-08 03:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Actually Mrs. Clinton added the stop at 3 a.m.

So did no Clinton supporters show up?  Are we to expect that Clinton supporters miraculously happened on a campaign event, while Obama supporters were bussed in by the campaign to boo?  

I don't get it.  It may have been decided at 3 am, but people obviously heard about it.  Presumably, Obama and Clinton supporters would have access to the same basic info.  

by freedom78 2008-05-07 08:20PM | 0 recs
Sure they had..but don't you think

an "unusually large contigent of Obama supporters" booing and making catcalls at quickly arranged HRC event seems little more than just a random event..

by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 08:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Sure they had..but don't you think

Not really.

If Hillary were in my town, and I could go, I would.  So I don't think attendance is that big an issue.  Regarding the booing (which I would NOT do, unless she said something truly awful), there are a lot of possibilities, but I don't want to just speculate on what happened.

Is there video, to show (or hear) how many might have been booing?  Because five guys could be a serious disruption, if they were persistent.  

by freedom78 2008-05-07 08:53PM | 0 recs
Ok..I understand your point...

I don't know whether there's a video. I was quoting the NYT reporter. However this is nothing new. Unfortunately at NC Jefferson Democratic Party Day Dinner, Obama supporters similarly boo-ed HRC and Gov Easley. I'm sure Obama supporters wouldn't like it if HRC supporters return the favor at Obama rallies.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/05/02/ politics/fromtheroad/entry4068514.shtml

by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 09:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Ok..I understand your point...

No, I wouldn't like it, and I don't support them doing it to her.  

But that's different from it being coordinated by the campaign, and I'm not sure there's anything anyone can do to stop it, until it becomes a harassment issue.

by freedom78 2008-05-07 09:42PM | 0 recs
Re: I didn't. There are only two options, either
how silly to think this would be coordinated by the Obama campaign, or try to insinuate it... (or try to insinuate there's a 50/50 chance.)

college kids get crazy at these kind of events. I remember Jesse Jackson speaking at my college in Philly in the 80's. there was plenty of heckling.

Also, Obama does not run a "top-down" campaign that controls everything. They run more of a distributed or even bottom-up style of management.

by power of truth 2008-05-07 08:43PM | 0 recs
Re: I didn't. There are only two options, either

Obama has condemned supporters who go over the line.  To ask him to do it each and every time someone boos however, is a bit much.

by DreamsOfABlueNation 2008-05-07 11:07PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

perhaps if that benefit of the doubt had ever been extended to her by him and his supporters you might have had a plausible deniability case. another one of his...

by zerosumgame 2008-05-07 07:05PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

It sounds like a hit job . As an Obama supporter at this stage in the game why boo if you are a democrat. A McCain supporter can hold an Obama sign and Boo at the same time.

by Politicalslave 2008-05-07 07:09PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

I was thinking the same thing.

To easy and obvious.

Yet...some people can be "oh so gullible".

by cherrygarcia 2008-05-07 07:23PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

A good possibility..especially with Rush Limbaugh playing games with the primary.

by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 07:33PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

I don't think it's official.

However his campaign has engaged in plenty of character assassination of Hillary.  Saying she'll do anything to win, she's disingenuous, she can't be trusted.  

The big Obama supporters I know in real life have been complete jerks and never miss a chance to take a petty cheap shot at Hillary.  I do not take petty cheap shots at Obama.  They don't return the favor by being gracious or even considering that me or my candidate have any principles or intellectual honesty.  It's not just on the blogs that I'm seeing this.

So I'm not surprised this happened at a rally.  As a Hillary supporter I'm well familiar with being treated with complete disrespect.  I won't forget it.

by daria g 2008-05-07 09:25PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

Can you stop painting all Obama supporters with such a broad brush.  Your unusual personal experiences notwithstanding, most Obama supporters are just reasonable people supporting the candidate they thing would be best to lead this country.

by DreamsOfABlueNation 2008-05-07 11:10PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

Standard behavior silently condoned by Obama.  He doesn't have the balls to condemn it.

Oh.. he might... days or weeks later when it's con-veeee-nient.

by wblynch 2008-05-08 07:20AM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

Very tacky and obviously terrible politically for the Obama campaign -- so of course they wouldn't organize it (besides the fact that they don't find this sort of thing acceptable, as seen by how Obama has reacted when people in his crowds boo when he mentions Hillary).

by politicsmatters 2008-05-07 06:24PM | 0 recs
Obama condemns boo'ing HRC

Link?

by KnowVox 2008-05-07 06:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama condemns boo'ing HRC

Link?

No, I don't have a link. I have my ears.  

by politicsmatters 2008-05-07 06:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama condemns boo'ing HRC

Didn't think so. I have ears, too.

by KnowVox 2008-05-07 07:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama condemns boo'ing HRC

Yes, and my ears have heard Obama telling crowds not to boo when they start doing it.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-07 07:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama condemns boo'ing HRC

And my eyes have seen him smile and encourage it.

by KnowVox 2008-05-07 07:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama condemns boo'ing HRC

Excuse me...I have seen him push his hand down and say 'no...none of that' - definitely trying to quell any booing that comes up.  You aren't paying attention.

by mariannie 2008-05-07 09:41PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

What?  People heckle the Clintons?!  This is an outrage!

I'm sorry, but uh, shouldn't we be used to this by now?  I stopped caring back in '95...

by hornplayer 2008-05-07 06:24PM | 0 recs
sorry

But anyone who believes this sort of behavior is organized by the Obama campaign is a fucking idiot.

by highgrade 2008-05-07 06:29PM | 0 recs
Look I haven't been presumptuous. I'm willing

to give his campaign benefit of doubt. I used the clarification "remotely associated" and laid down two scenarios. Clearly most likely this is an organized contigent of Obama supporters.

Please do not use foul language. Thanks

by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 06:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Look I haven't been presumptuous. I'm willing

I agree on not using foul language. I police myself on that.

I am sure Obama has gotten boos (no, I can't document them.) Booing the opposition is an old american political tradition, but no one likes their candidate getting boo'ed.

Lincoln got boo'ed & heckled throughout his campaign. Boo happens.

by catilinus 2008-05-07 06:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Look I haven't been presumptuous. I'm willing

Sadly, this profane comment was uprated by:

toyomama
Sychotic1  

by KnowVox 2008-05-07 07:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Look I haven't been presumptuous. I'm willing

Should I bring out some of the crap you uprated??

by hootie4170 2008-05-07 07:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Hootie

Frankly, you were one of the worst ratings abusers on this website.

by KnowVox 2008-05-07 07:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Hootie

Show me...

by hootie4170 2008-05-07 07:42PM | 0 recs
by KnowVox 2008-05-07 07:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Hootie

You are such a liar....None of those have I zero-rated...

by hootie4170 2008-05-07 08:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Hootie

You zero-rated ALL of them.

by KnowVox 2008-05-07 08:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Hootie

I don't see any zero ratings...liar

by hootie4170 2008-05-07 08:53PM | 0 recs
Re: sorry

It's amazing to me how many Clinton supporters don't see how smart Obama and his camapign are, and how even if they wanted to do this stuff, they wouldn't because it is strategically dumb - they have wiped the floor with the Clinton campaign, why would they jeopardize any of that with a silly stunt.  Even after all that has happened in the last couple days, they haven't called for her to quit the race - they are very sensitive to these perceptions.

by interestedbystander 2008-05-07 10:04PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

This how I think it went down:

Obama: Well he have this primary practically wrapped up, what's the next move.

Axelrod:  I have an idea, lets send hecklers to raz a Clinton speech.

Obama: Um, do our internal polling numbers in WV say this will help our campaign?

Axelrod: Who cares, it will be fun to humiliate Hillary

Obama:  Yeah sounds like a blast.  Ok lets do it, Abercrombie boys, get out to Shepardstown

Abercrombie boys:  Right away Messiah

by reggie23 2008-05-07 06:30PM | 0 recs
You are welcome to sarcasm. I don't think

this bodes well for Obama's nomination and party unity behind him.

by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 06:36PM | 0 recs
Re: You are welcome to sarcasm. I don't think

Oh, come on.  Give me at least a little break.  I even ripped Obama twice in my dialogue.  If the Obama campaign finds out they are connected to the interruption, I'm sure they'll put an end to it.  If you don't think so, I hope you change your mind before November.  

by reggie23 2008-05-07 06:40PM | 0 recs
Ok..sorry..I was a bit upset reading the

newstory..didn't catch your witty repartee..it was pretty good...rec'd.

by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 06:45PM | 0 recs
Re: You are welcome to sarcasm. I don't think

And your diary does?  Come off it - you can't write a concern diary and then condemn everyone that begs to differ with you for formenting disunity.

by interestedbystander 2008-05-07 10:07PM | 0 recs
What do you want us to do...to keep

quiet, while a bunch of organized Obama supporters heckle HRC at least on two occassions? If I point that out, that's a "concern diary"? So in your opinion what should HRC supporters do in the name of unity when Obama supporters behave in such a manner? What would you say if HRC supporters went around and heckled Senator Obama's speeches in his public meetings?

by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 11:50PM | 0 recs
Re: What do you want us to do...to keep

They do all the time - I expect everyone to take it in their stride, and let the candidate deal with it in a classy way.  There is a long tradition of heckling in my country (UK) - few people here would be outraged at it, in many ways it benefits the hecklee.  But we are not as respectful to our politicians as Americans, and we regularly get to put them on the spot in unscripted encounters.  

My point was more to do with your reaction to dissent in this diary - you write a diary, you get some agreement, some dispute, but then the disputers are accused of not helping dem unity.  Well - this is a minor discussion board, it will have no impact whatsoever on whether the two sides unite for the GE.  It seems to me to be a pervasive tactic here to get Obama supporters to play nice with the Clinton supporters, yet the usual suspects are cluttering up the rec list with the usual divisive pro Clinton stuff.  There was a very real attempt here yesterday to be gracious when it was obvious the primary is over, and although many have responded positively, many are demanding abject subservience from Obama supporters in order to earn Clinton votes. Rant over - I am just tired of being accused of being divisive for politely disagreeing.

by interestedbystander 2008-05-08 02:52AM | 0 recs
Good point. However I don't mind people

disagreeing or critiquing my diary. The point originally I was making in this thread was that I didn't think heckling HRC is going to help Dem unity behind Senator Obama's candidature, before reggie pointed out my mistake in reading his comment. It had nothing to do with dissenting with my diary per se. That's all. Unless somebody made a personal attack, I have no problems with anybody dissenting or disputing what I say or write. You may observe that I do not use troll ratings either.

by louisprandtl 2008-05-08 05:28AM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

It is action like this from Obama followers that will turn off those "old" coalition of the Democratic Party.

It is the actions of Obama followers like that and on various blogs that has turned me off of Obama and the Democratic Party in general.

by stefystef 2008-05-07 06:35PM | 0 recs
Exactly this reminded me of Senator

Obama's supporters at "some" blogs..

Now this might be a very minority of his supporters but unfortunately very vocal minority.

by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 06:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Exactly this reminded me of Senator

Please browse No Quarter or Taylor Marsh for a moment and get back to us.

by username3 2008-05-07 07:40PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

Can you tell me what obama blogs are so bad?  Seriously, i admit I don't go to obama blogs very often, once in a while dailykos.  all I see is the obama hatred from the hillary blogs.  I really would like to know which blogs are for obama.  thanks

by mariannie 2008-05-07 09:48PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

FireDog lake is pretty balanced, Kos DOES have some really over the top people that are angry at Senator Clinton.

They are the mirror of Little Otter, and Teresa in PA, those kind of folks here.

Actually, I was at KOS for a long time under another name, and it got too nasty there for me.

I think, for the most part, it is the same group of 20-30 posters here that are on the Jihad.

It's to be expected, they have their heart and soul in the Clinton campaign, and she is probably weeks away from losing...

by WashStateBlue 2008-05-07 11:34PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

Anyone who lets the actions of supporters dictate how they vote or anything in general need to rethink things.

by Bobby Obama 2008-05-07 06:38PM | 0 recs
It is for the leader to set the tone...Senator

Obama had tried to set the tone of uplifting campaign for a while. However unfortunately some of his supporters (atleast in this meeting) never got or understood this part of his message.

by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 06:41PM | 0 recs
Re: It is for the leader to set the tone...Senator

So now he's responsible for every action and every word of the 14 million voters who voted for him???

by hootie4170 2008-05-07 06:53PM | 0 recs
Nobody said he is responsible for what everyone

of his supporters do. The leader sets the tone of the campaign and Senator Obama certainly made earnest efforts to lead a uplifting campaign.

by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 06:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's responsibility

Indeed. Leadership comes from the top down. It will be interesting to see how Obama reacts.

by KnowVox 2008-05-07 07:10PM | 0 recs
Well

"We are the ones we've been waiting for."

by Montague 2008-05-07 09:02PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

Good point.  And in fact, while I've been appalled at the actions of some Obama supporters, I don't hold that against him.  The reason he's not going to get my vote or my volunteer efforts this fall is because of his own failings.  

by Montague 2008-05-07 09:08PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

I am sure the Obama campaign will find out who did this and try and make sure it doesn't happen again. However, it's hard to control idiots who are acting on her own.

by jsfox 2008-05-07 06:41PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reports Hillary gets booed. Oh noes!!!

Oh great.  Another BS diary is about to be recommended.  Joy.

by RussTC3 2008-05-07 06:42PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

There is nothing in the article which even suggests this was an organized effort and in fact the heckling was in response to her remarks and political stances:


Mrs. Clinton endured boos when she mentioned her proposal for a gasoline tax holiday, catcalls when she spoke of ending the Iraq war and, most difficult of all, the heckling of her daughter, Chelsea, who introduced her.

"End the dynasty!" a young man holding an Obama poster shouted when Chelsea Clinton stepped to the microphone.

The intentional effort to be divisive is your misrepresentation of the event and the NYT article.

by Piuma 2008-05-07 06:45PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news

Seems to me the Obama hecklers were the ones engaged in an "intentional effort to be divisive."

by KnowVox 2008-05-07 06:51PM | 0 recs
Sorry you obviously didn't read what

I wrote. Thanks for your comment though.

by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 07:42PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

Rise diary rise!

by poserM 2008-05-07 06:46PM | 0 recs
Hmmm

Remember

College aged supporters != Candidate

When was the last time you heard about college students doing something dumb?  In my case it was about two weeks ago and it was my own son.

by Sychotic1 2008-05-07 06:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Hmmm

Well I hope you denounced and rejected, and/or renounced and dejected him...

by username3 2008-05-07 07:44PM | 0 recs
I'm waiting for both of them...

...to come on Mydd and denounce, reject and apologize for all the rude comments made by each of their supporters about the opposing Democratic candidate...Is this what it has come to??  Good grief...

by hootie4170 2008-05-07 06:51PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm waiting for both of them...

When all else fails, crank up the outrage machine.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-07 06:53PM | 0 recs
I beginning to find out...

...there are many right-wingers on Mydd who are just trying to stir the pot!!

by hootie4170 2008-05-07 06:55PM | 0 recs
So now are you trying to brand me

a rightwinger for being upset at reading a NYTimes report where Obama supporters are heckling Senator Clinton and Chelsea Clinton? It would be interesting to know your definition of rightwing.

by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 07:00PM | 0 recs
Re: So now are you trying to brand me

did I mention you...quit thinking your so important...

by hootie4170 2008-05-07 07:06PM | 0 recs
Re: So now are you trying to brand me

I'd say you're either an ignoramus or a troll.

by username3 2008-05-07 07:46PM | 0 recs
THE OUTRAGE!

OMG, thats it, Obama is finished?

I STILL don't know how he survived "Shrug-off" gate?

But this...

"Single College Student with NO connection to the Obama Campaign Waves a sign and Heckles Clinton-gate?

Well, I figure, 130, maybe 150 Supers declare for Hillary tomorrow, based on this.

SHAME ON YOU, BARACK OBAMA...

For something you had absolutely nothing to do with!

by WashStateBlue 2008-05-07 07:04PM | 0 recs
It's his fault...

...AA's are committed to him, it's his fault college kids are outrageous at times, it's his fault people drink lattes, it's his fault Mark Penn's strategy didn't work, it's his fault people are so dumb for falling for his message of change, it's his fault that Clinton supporters won't vote for him in the GE, it's his fault he is black, it's his fault he went to Harvard, it's his fault that there were caucuses, it's his fault that the Dem Primary wasn't winner-take-all, it's his fault because he doesn't wear a flag pin, it's his fault we are paying such high gas prices, it's his fault because he didn't wait his turn, it's his fault because he was in Chicago politics....

by hootie4170 2008-05-07 07:05PM | 0 recs
Re: It's his fault...

It's his fault that he wins voters who are under 65.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-07 07:27PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

Heh, hecklers happen.  It's rude, but I find it rather implausible that Barack Obama decided to dispatch the heckling crew this morning.  It's not like you couldn't tell from reading this site that there are some Obama supporters out there who are willing to behave badly.

Then again, maybe Obama should have to answer some questions about whether he controls the anti-Clinton posts on this site.  And let's have Hillary answer some questions about her supporters, too.  And while we're at it, that Gravel faction is a bunch of assholes, I smell a rat...

by Steve M 2008-05-07 07:05PM | 0 recs
Don't you know all Obama suppporters

are "bots,' incapable of taking any action without direction from Axelrod?

by benmasel 2008-05-07 07:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't you know all Obama suppporters

I don't need to take that from a Gravelbot like you!

by Steve M 2008-05-07 08:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't you know all Obama suppporters

Gravelbot-- specially programmed to lose elections and chastise kids for being on his lawn.

by DreamsOfABlueNation 2008-05-07 11:18PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

reminds me of what right wing radio did to Hillary in '94 with health care, or when the Bush guys stormed the recount in 2000

by DiamondJay 2008-05-07 07:09PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

Wow, there isn't anything else it reminds you of?  When was the last time you saw college kids acting stupid?

by Mostly 2008-05-07 07:49PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

that kid Evan Strange (no pun, that was his real last name) with his rude comment to Chelsea at Butler. That sonuvabitch got so much heat on facebook he removed himself, as I was gonna spam him, and his email address got circulated apparently and spammed

by DiamondJay 2008-05-07 07:51PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

All this time I thought BO supporters where the only

ones with  a "pack" mentality.

All that for a rude comment?

by cherrygarcia 2008-05-07 08:05PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

not just a rude comment, an attempt at humiliating a former first daughter. he deserved it

by DiamondJay 2008-05-07 08:20PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

She is 28 you know.

I think she handled herself pretty well.

by cherrygarcia 2008-05-07 08:30PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

the kid didn't show honour he should have to Chelsea Clinton. He deserves all the shit he gets.

by DiamondJay 2008-05-07 09:25PM | 0 recs
The've been pulling this sh*t on dailykos

...since the get-go.

a bunch of 13 year olds, it would seem.

by SoCalVet 2008-05-07 07:12PM | 0 recs
Re: The've been pulling this sh*t on dailykos

Total geniuses, to be in college at that age...

by username3 2008-05-07 07:48PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

the actions of the hecklers reflect the pro-o bloggers on this page. it makes it so hard to back him.

by california voter 2008-05-07 07:22PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

I've never heckled Clinton in any way, shape or form. But I have criticized what she's said and done.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-07 07:28PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

Seconded.

I have complete respect for Senator Clinton!

Not so much for the idiots like Penn who ran her campaign into the ditch?

Whom I have heckled is a lot of her "feigned outrage" supporters, who act like she is some fragile flower one minute,
then declare her the toughest fighter since Ali the next?

So much on the blogs is over the top, and it's easy to ridicule....

But, sure there are jerks on both sides?

Kos is full of creeps who say terrible stuff about The Clintons.

And, here, I have seen REC'ed diary's comparing Obama to George Wallace?

Sheesh!

by WashStateBlue 2008-05-07 07:36PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

Hillary has my respect, just not my vote (unless she's our nominee).

by DreamsOfABlueNation 2008-05-07 11:22PM | 0 recs
It's as if the blogworld has spilled out into

the real world. Shameful.

by Rumarhazzit 2008-05-07 07:29PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

Some college kids heckling Hillary is "disturbing news" ?

Wow.

Here I thought this diary was about the Austrian Dungeon Master.

by cherrygarcia 2008-05-07 07:31PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

Well, if you read to the end of the article you'll find that they did in fact drag Chelsea off to an Austrian dungeon.

by username3 2008-05-07 07:50PM | 0 recs
Your comment is distasteful and a flame bait..

by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 08:02PM | 0 recs
tell me again why you complained

about people troll rating you?  Like your comments are substantive, without hate, and without ridicule?

by 4justice 2008-05-08 06:50AM | 0 recs
by hootie4170 2008-05-07 07:31PM | 0 recs
Nice diary hijack

How about responding to the substance of the diary instead of diverting the discussion to your own particular issues, however meritorious they may be?

I don't condone bad manners whether they be directed at Senator Clinton or at Senator Obama.

by Radiowalla 2008-05-07 07:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice diary hijack

The substance of the diary...the diarist was trying to make the connection that Obama should be responsible for all that is said or done by his supporters..A top down macro-management if you will.  I was just trying to point out how absurd it is to think each candidate can reject, denounce and apologize for every "stupid" thing their supporters do.

by hootie4170 2008-05-07 07:46PM | 0 recs
Obviously you are misrepresenting the diary

or me. I've made it clear in my response to your comment before but you're continuing to make irrelvant comments.

by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 08:13PM | 0 recs
Re: I think HRC should apologize for the following

WHEN IS HILLARY GOING TO DENOUNCE AND REJECT THESE PEOPLE????

by poserM 2008-05-07 08:02PM | 0 recs
I can't believe...

...I made the NY Times...Sweeeeeeeeeeeeet!

/snark

by hootie4170 2008-05-07 07:34PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

I'm so bored.  I'm just so bored.

Just, find something important and get back to me.  Yes I know I took the time to read your diary and respond to it, but good lord, when are you all going to grow up and realize that Barack Obama is not responsible for every half-wit holding an "Obama" sign?

by Mostly 2008-05-07 07:52PM | 0 recs
the Obama campaign is good at attracting thugs

by alright 2008-05-07 07:53PM | 0 recs
Re: the Obama campaign is good at attracting thugs

Ludicrous and specious charge, with no facts to back it up.....

Consider yourself heckled!

by WashStateBlue 2008-05-07 07:58PM | 0 recs
Re: the Obama campaign is good at attracting thugs

Then why aren't you on board?

by Mostly 2008-05-07 08:31PM | 0 recs
If Hillary

   is half as tough as her supporters here claim every day, then she can handle a little booing.
by southernman 2008-05-07 08:23PM | 0 recs
Not the point

Hillary can handle it.  The point is that the boo contingent acted like asshats, and that makes Obama's campaign look unpleasant.

by Montague 2008-05-07 09:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Not the point


   Indeed it does...but Hillary has her fair share of asshats as well. They've booed Obama, they've mocked him.

  Candidates cannot be responsible for every dimwit that wants them to win.

by southernman 2008-05-07 09:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Not the point

I agree that candidates can't be responsible for every dimwit.  I have to say, though, that I haven't heard of episodes where people with Clinton signs went to an Obama event and booed him.

by Montague 2008-05-07 09:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Not the point

    It's happened. I went to an event where Hillary people booed him. I didn't mind, that's just what happens....but the idea that only Obama people do it is off the mark.
by southernman 2008-05-07 09:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Not the point

I didn't say only Obama people boo.  I said I hadn't heard of any events where Clinton people did that.

by Montague 2008-05-08 07:34AM | 0 recs
If HRC supporters booed and mocked

Senator Obama during his speech, then it is similarly condemnable.

by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 09:31PM | 0 recs
Didn't they walk out?

It was not as vocal a form of protest, but I did hear mention of HRC supporters walking out on Obama in one of the JJ dinners.

by professor 2008-05-08 04:03AM | 0 recs
Re: If HRC supporters booed and mocked

Agreed.

by Montague 2008-05-08 07:35AM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes

This is the kind of stuff that makes people think that Obama is a tool of the far left. And it turns off voters by the millions.

by Ga6thDem 2008-05-07 08:33PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes

Evidence for these millions?

by interestedbystander 2008-05-08 03:55AM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes

Latest gallup:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/107110/Obamas -Support-Similar-Kerrys-2004.aspx

He's starting off behind Kerry. He hasn't improved the party demographics and in fact has worsened them.

by Ga6thDem 2008-05-08 04:23AM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes

Are you sure you linked to the right data - that article shows that Obama does NO WORSE than kerry with white voters.  That's great news, as together with 91% of AA's, that's a winning coalition.  

PS Still waiting for evidence that millions of voters have been put off by blah, blah, blah

by interestedbystander 2008-05-08 04:45AM | 0 recs
Snoozeworthy

Boorish behavior from a few college students.  This is the latest manufactured outrage?

by soccerandpolitics 2008-05-07 08:34PM | 0 recs
"Unusually large and at times vocal

contingent of Obama supporters in the crowd" = Few college students? Manufactured outrage when Senator Obama is trying to unite the party behind his nomination?

by louisprandtl 2008-05-07 08:39PM | 0 recs
What the Clintons sowed

they reap.

by Kobi 2008-05-07 08:43PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti
it reminds me Karl Rove's bandits in Florida.
I think Hillary should make a very good case out of this pro-Obama shit.
It reminds me the same pattern of behavior ob DKos.
these guys are crazy and if Obama Cult will prevail, we will have this shit everywhere.
by engels 2008-05-07 09:09PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

so, if this continues, bye-bye unity for sure

by engels 2008-05-07 09:11PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

Please stop this ridiculous blackmail, where you can be as obnoxious as you like, but any perceived slight from the O campaign, and you wave "no unity" in our faces.  You personally are on record as saying you will never vote for Obama, and will work against him, so nothing anybody could do would earn your "unity".

by interestedbystander 2008-05-07 10:18PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

exactly

by engels 2008-05-08 04:52AM | 0 recs
These people are

the SAME arrogant, obnoxious assholes that have taken over Dkos and that we see and hear out in public and at Democratic party meetings.

I call them the O Kids or the obama kids.

by kevin22262 2008-05-07 09:25PM | 0 recs
Those of you so contemptuous of Senator Clinton -

What will your response be should Senator Obama select her as VP?  Will you heap scorn and derision on Obama?  How will you respond if he 'disappoints' you so?  Will you turn on him?  Or will Clinton suddenly become OK because Obama says she is?  You can't have it both ways, you know.  If she's nothing but a thug and a Republican - what would that make Obama for selecting her?  And before you dismiss this idea out of hand, remember - Kennedy chose Johnson, despite a vicious primary.  Same goes for Reagan and Bush I.  They hated one another.  Couldn't even be in the same room.  There's a reason why people say politics makes strange bedfellows, you know.  I suggest you consider this every time you bash Hillary or her family.  Obama doesn't seem filled with as much hate as some of those here.  He has publicly pledged that his followers would support Hillary should she become the nominee (as has she should the situation be reversed).  

So....I ask: What will you do?  

by The Fat Lady Sings 2008-05-07 09:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Those of you so contemptuous of Senator Clinto

No need to think about it - he won't.  And I can 100% guarantee it.

by interestedbystander 2008-05-07 10:19PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

You know, I don't care too much if Hillary was heckled.  

Point 1. Politicians get heckled all the time (see point 2).
Point 2. People are stupid.  There are stupid people who support Obama.  There are stupid people who support Clinton.  
Point 3. People are also very smart, and there are very smart people who support both candidates.  This isn't strictly relevant, I just didn't want to be completely negative.

But having said all that I was still curious enough about the event to google it.  I found some video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otd4X3q6w 08

The angle isn't great (you can't see the crowd).  It misses the intro by Chelsea, so I can't comment on that.  Around the 6 minute mark she mentions the gas tax.  Somebody must have heckled because HRC immediately  qualifies her remarks.  But you can't really hear any heckling.  It's hard to see a great big problem.  Other than that, I watched the whole thing, and I'm not a Clinton supporter, but she gives a really good speech.

One more thing.  I think the Obama campaign have things on their agenda other than sending out the idiot troops to heckle a "hastily arranged speech".  They're looking to McCain

by outoftown 2008-05-07 10:37PM | 0 recs
Re: NYTimes reporting disturbing news on HRC meeti

Just another indication of why Obama is going to lose a GE. If all he can muster up for support this Fall is a bunch of eggheads and Liberal Elite, then he is finished before he even begins.

by steve468 2008-05-08 06:18AM | 0 recs

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