OK, I'm trying to understand the strategery here.

Whip up a frenzy about the VP pick; double pinkie swear to tell your followers first via text message; announce the day you're going to do the big 'reveal' like some game show - and when the big day comes -

Delay the planned announcement by one day (it as planned for Thursday), in an attempt to cache in on your opponent's perceive gaffe; don't announce on your newly announced planned day (Friday); release the news to main stream media first;  send out the news in the middle of the night; and wake people up at 3 in the morning with a text message.

How is this a good idea?

First, you've missed your own deadline, twice.
Second, you've lied to your breathless new followers. It's the new young voters who are going to be looking for the text message.  But the announcement wasn't sent to them first, like promised - it was made to the traditional media.
Third, some people wake up at the sound of their phone receiving a text message in the middle of the night (myself included) and it better be an emergency (it was, the only time I got one).

This is not the excited fanfare we expected.  So I'm not touching the choice of candidate in this diary - I'm trying to understand who in their right mind thought any of this would be a GOOD way to do this announcement and end the speculation?  I'm trying to figure out how it could have been more of a letdown for those folks who may still have been excited to hear about it.  Seems to me, it couldn't have been handled worse.

Tags: 3am, Biden, obama (all tags)



Re: Duped?

Truly - I'd be happy to hear how this was supposed to help the campaign.

by lizpolaris 2008-08-23 05:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

Start supporting your Democratic ticket or head over to RedState.

by Vox Populi 2008-08-23 05:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

Just trying to understand - you'd rather not talk to anyone who doesn't agree with your point of view?  This site is not about discussing political events?  You're the police here on Jerome's website?

Also, as I'm not a Republican, I have no interest in RedState.  However, I have had some online conversations with Republicans - which were more civil that your comments to me.

by lizpolaris 2008-08-23 05:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

From the guidelines of MyDD:

* Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned.

Your comment and diary history is identical to what a Republican troll would write.  You aren't here to engage and persuade, you're here to inflame and bash the Democratic nominee.

As for the feigned outrage about my "uncivil" comments, I can tell you where to shove it.

by Vox Populi 2008-08-23 06:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?
Vox I wanted to read your diary on Ms Tubbs again.
Where did it go? Thanks
by canadian 2008-08-23 06:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

Not sure what that has to do with the issue at hand, but once it was front-paged I took the diary down.  I still have it up one Blue Indiana if you're really interested.

by Vox Populi 2008-08-23 07:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

Vox, I think you are great.  I agree, I think that democrats should start supporting our candidates, if they are REAL democrats.  I am a yellow dog democrat and I am excited and very happy with our nominees. Go Obama/Biden!

by Spanky 2008-08-23 07:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?
The reason I'm interested is because I thought the GROSS comment was over the line and hypocritical. I REC and made a comment under the name politicalslave I've just changed it to Canadian
as I will move back to Vancouver from Japan. Thank you
by canadian 2008-08-23 08:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

This was posted over at Alegres Asylum

Woohoo - Biden/Obama! (4.00 / 3)
No, wait, that's wrong...
See my questions over at MyDD.

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by: lizpolaris @ Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 10:14:25

by venician 2008-08-23 08:08AM | 0 recs
Alegra's Asylum

I love it

Double bonus Mojo just for that

by iohs2008 2008-08-23 09:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?


I gotta think that sending out the text message @ 3 AM is a snarky middle finger to the "is he ready for the 3 am call" folks.  

Frankly I think they would have liked a couple of more days of spastic republican responses to the plutocrat question but the convo starts on monday.

by tired of dynasties 2008-08-23 08:16AM | 0 recs
I am no computer or text message maven

but I did think I heard that it would take literally hours to text to millions of cell phones, ipods blackberries and those other small expensive electronic things. I heard that earlier in the week. If this is correct, and you are talking to someone who is typing on a keyboard where not all of the letters capitalize, it does make sense to start early and keep going so the list is done when the coffee is ready in the morning (not cappucino)

by Christy1947 2008-08-23 09:02AM | 0 recs
I'm sure your candidate will handle his VP better

by Lefty Coaster 2008-08-23 06:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

It wasn't released to the media first. The media was camped out in Joe Biden's driveway! CNN had a live feed of Evan Bayh's garage door! By the time the Secret Service showed up, all the major media outlets were reporting that he was the guy. The text message went out at 3 am because it was already all over the news.

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-08-23 08:41AM | 0 recs
  • Obama never said there were deadlines.
  • Biden was entitled to secret service protection before the announcement. Too bad the media picked up on that.
  • 3AM page was funny.
by parahammer 2008-08-23 05:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Umm

The timing was humorous, you think?  Based on the 3am ads, how is this funny I'm wondering.  The public are the ones answering the phones at 3am, not the politicians?

Also, from what I understand, the announcement was up on Obama's website before the text message was sent, so it wasn't entirely the media watching the airplanes.  The official announcement was on the campaign website, not the text message - as promised.

by lizpolaris 2008-08-23 05:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Umm

It's a great pun, but probably an unintentional one.

We don't know when the text was supposed to be sent, maybe it was Thursday or Friday or Saturday. In fact, it could've been intended for Saturday AM all along. However, the problem is the text was a victim of its own success. I don't think Obama anticipated the media to start stake-outs at multiple locations as we got closer to the convention. Once they did, it was pretty much game over.

I do think Obama was pretty clever not to start the "not you" calls to anyone before yesterday. Those leaked out like mad. It appears that he was very aware of how quickly leaks start.

by TCQuad 2008-08-23 06:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

Looking at your diary and comment history, I'm not really shocked at your "analysis" here.  Typical PUMA trash.

by Vox Populi 2008-08-23 05:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

Hey, I'm a lifelong Democrat trying to find the bright side.

Yours is a typical dismissive comment.  Instead of showing me the light, just insult me.

Why not tell my why this was a good thing to do?  Have you got an explanation?  As I said, I'm all ears.

by lizpolaris 2008-08-23 05:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

Oh we're all so sorry your wittle Hiwwary didnt get picked.

Get over it.  She wasn't qualified.

by reebus 2008-08-23 07:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

Unfuckin real let me get this straight - anyone who sees real problems with the strategy being taken by the party right now & is dismayed b/c it will mean REAL, awful personal implications to them when the loss happens in November is just a sore loser & a baby b/c they like Hillary Clinton.

Maybe people need to grow up, admit what the problems are so they can start coming up with a strategy to overcome these real issues.  Sticking your head in the sand & bemoaning the loss when it comes is not the way to go.  Facing the problems head on & figuring out a way to overcome is your only hope. It isn't whining; it is facing reality.

by jrsygrl 2008-08-23 07:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

So what "reality" will you be living in when Obama becomes president in November, without Hillary's help?

by Covin 2008-08-23 08:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

I would be happy to be wrong about all of it.  I don't look to cut my nose off to spite my face or be right for the sake of being right.  I am truly worried about what I view to be some serious errors on the part of the party & the campaign & we, forget it, I am in serious trouble over the upcoming years.  It makes me sad, angry & confused all at once. Nothing would make me happier then to have been wrong about the his chances and to have underestimated his abilities; nothing at all.  Unfortunately this selection, when I first heard it & said "Nah that's not possible," and was RELIEVED when Biden supposedly said "I'm not the guy, " is only continuing to reinforce alot of major problems with the party & with this guy. Am I going to vote for him - Absofrickenlutely - it is my ONLY hope but knowing we had GOOD choices that stood a better chance of winning makes me very angry.

by jrsygrl 2008-08-23 05:21PM | 0 recs
your concerns are duly noted

and i have it on good information they were sent DIRECTLY to David Plouffe! The Obama campaign will follow through and call back in a couple of days just to make sure you're satisfied with the changes you've suggested!

by highgrade 2008-08-23 07:11AM | 0 recs
Re: your concerns are duly noted

by jrsygrl 2008-08-23 05:21PM | 0 recs
Instead of showing me the light, just insult me.

How does one show light to eyes that are welded shut?

by Glaurung 2008-08-23 07:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

The announcement was put off because of the McCain gaffe.

I think it was a GREAT move to not announce on Thursday. Otherwise the whole "I don't know how many houses I own" thing would have been buried. We got two good days of publicity out of it and now they can use it through the campaign.

by politicsmatters 2008-08-23 05:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?


There never was a deadline. In fact, the other day Gibbs said they might not announce until Wednesday at the convention.

And it's not Obama's fault that the media got leaks and the beans were spilled a few hours early. Also I think folks who were out or sleeping Friday night - just not paying attention to politics - probably learned the news from a text message. My college aged daughter did.

And I can't imagine that anyone would really care about whether they heard from text message or not...certainly not in a few days from now.

by politicsmatters 2008-08-23 06:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

No, no one would care if they heard from a text message - the Obama campaign didn't make a really big deal about how they would be sending out the announcement via text message first!  Sign up now!  Wowie!  No, I didn't hear anything like that.

by lizpolaris 2008-08-23 06:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

Well, I don't care. And when I friends today, I'll ask them if they care.

Caring about something like this with all the big issues this year seems incredibly petty.

by politicsmatters 2008-08-23 07:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

Direct your ire at John King from CNN and the other presidential paparazzi that stalked out all the possibilities. The media was not happy to not be the initial point of contact for the American public.  

by temptxan 2008-08-23 07:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

I could see some argument for that delay, though I wasn't as impressed by the gaffe (how many houses does John Kerry or other rich senators own and what difference does it make?).  However, what's the delay through all of Friday to wee hours of Saturday all about?

by lizpolaris 2008-08-23 06:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

Liz, if you can't see how McBush owning 7 homes and spending $270.000 on household servants, shows how out of touch with average Americans, maybe you should learn to be ALL EYES!

by venician 2008-08-23 07:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

Actually the felon Karl Rove made great hay out of Kerry's houses and his wife's wealth. It is just too delicious that this should come back to haunt the plutocrats.

by tired of dynasties 2008-08-23 08:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

Even though CNN broke the news well before the famous text message/email and negated another Obama promise, it's interesting how the message came out at about 3 AM. Remember that famous Hillary Clinton 3AM ad? I doubt the timing of the message was an accident. Either there is a lot more bad blood between Clinton and Obama or they decided to build on the message of her ad.

by zenful6219 2008-08-23 06:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

Wow. Some of you Clinton supporters are nuts. The primaries are over, and it's time you moved on.

by Covin 2008-08-23 08:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

Let's see..
Chances are they were going to do it a day or so earlier but McCain's Houses is the gift that will keep on giving this whole campaign and it played heavy on both Thursday and Friday. Why step on that with VP announcement?
Biden was not known until CNN or someone broke the story of SS going to Biden's home.

That this did not leak shows the discipline of this Campaign.
I can almost guarantee you McCain pick will be leaked.

"This is not the excited fanfare we expected"
For you..tap your toes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLVCmqSAf Bs

by nogo postal 2008-08-23 06:38AM | 0 recs
LIke one pundit said -

As one on-air pundit put it, if McCain picks Romney, here's your campaign slogan:

"Two guys.
Two houses."

And that right there is the difference in an economy like this one.

For the record, it was not "leaked" to the media. CNN got wind of a Secret Service detail being dispatched to Biden's home and extrapolated from there.

As for was this a good idea - are you KIDDING me?? The media OBSESSED for days over it! Like when the first iPhone was released or the last Harry Potter book, the goal was really to create 'buzz' and in that sense, it was brilliantly effective.

by Its All So Goofy 2008-08-23 06:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

I think it was really cool the way it was handled. He had the media slavering for info and had himself as the main topic of conversation for days. I don't hear  anywhere near that excitement and speculation about McCain's running mate. Then to top it off, he made a decent choice - not my top choice but I can see how he will be a big help to Obama so it's all good.

by Becky G 2008-08-23 06:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

Given the media's Luddite slowness to embrace technology, I'm surprised they didn't do a "Special Report" on this new-fangled 'text messaging thingy.'

I can just picture it:

CNN's John King: "See, I take this cell phone here, and I can actually use the number pad to type in letters, see, like this...I'm sending a message to you, Wolf..."

by Its All So Goofy 2008-08-23 06:57AM | 0 recs
McCain's choice.

If it's Romney, I'm waiting to see how long it will be before the first attack ad comes out pointing out how many people were laid off as part of corporate restructurings in the Bain Capital  deals Romney did. Nobody is interested or excited about who McC will pick, only about how much crow that person will have to eat to be in synch with a candidate who doesn't know what he really thinks about anything.

by Christy1947 2008-08-23 09:09AM | 0 recs

How about the simplist one.  We tried something new, and it just didnt work out the way we thought.  Happens all the time when you play around with timing hitting the real world

by xenontab 2008-08-23 07:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Reasons?

Even the young are not masters of hardware. They're just better at it than their parents.

by Christy1947 2008-08-23 09:10AM | 0 recs
Please link the quote Obama specifically stated

He would announce Thursday, i know speculation had that, but I have seen nothing that he stated that. If you can't link, please remove your diary for being dishonest trash. Thank You and Woof Woof

by Dog Chains 2008-08-23 07:30AM | 0 recs


by Dale Johnson 007 2008-08-23 07:37AM | 0 recs

Yeah, I feel so "betrayed," I'm going to vote for a rich, elitist, bigoted ("gook"), warmonger.

I thought Obama handled this decision very well. I
was rooting for Sebelius, Clark, or Schweitzer, but I think Biden is a solid choice that should please Clintonistas. It leaves the door wide open for a Clinton run after Obama finishes his two terms.

by Lolis 2008-08-23 07:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

what does the title of your diary refer to. does anyone actually feel duped?

by Todd Beeton 2008-08-23 07:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

Making the VP announcement at 3:00 am on the Friday night was brilliant!

It shows a clear break with the tired old politics of the past.

by hwc 2008-08-23 07:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

What arey you talking about....

All the really COOL people got their text at 9:30 PM.....

There was a special BITTER filter, and folks like Liz instead got an ad for Cialis instead...

by WashStateBlue 2008-08-23 07:56AM | 0 recs

Agreed.  This was a disaster.  

Break from the old politics of the past??? Um- hello, it was lame.  The News officially broke the story like 8 hours before the text.

by easyE 2008-08-23 07:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Yes- DUPED

They broke it at midnight when the ss showed up.  Hard to hide professional bodyguards descending on someone's only house.

by tired of dynasties 2008-08-23 08:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

Long story short: it was a misstep that I don't think Obama can be blamed entirely for.  This is the first presidential election in which texting is widespread and younger folks are entirely involved.  The Obama Campaign should have thought through this one better, but stuff happens.

by ejintx 2008-08-23 08:24AM | 0 recs
Let's Get Real

Being Obama supporters doesn't mean we can't think a bit critically about how this all went down.

For my money, Biden was a very good pick and clearly better than all the other finalists (I don't think HRC was really a finalist).

But the rollout was not particularly well handled.  Telling your supporters that they will be the first to know and then letting the news leak first is almost by definition a botch.  And texting millions of people at 3 AM is just not a good idea, as much as some younger people might have enjoyed it.

Perhaps more importantly, if Obama wasn't going to pick HRC the campaign should have definitively killed off speculation a long time ago.  It simply wasn't productive that you had every pundit asking whether HRC might be the surprise pick and then you had a story breaking yesterday about her not being vetted and big headlines on Drudge and Politico like "Hillary Gets Dissed!"  The whole point of the next week is to get a lot of those remaining Hillary holdouts back into the fold and this was not a good way to start.  

by Fuzzy Dunlop 2008-08-23 08:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Let's Get Real

I'm with you on Biden. I'm much happier with a more liberal Democratic VP than the alternatives that were bandied about.

And it does appear that they bungled this rollout. Pretty rare for this campaign.

by souvarine 2008-08-23 08:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Let's Get Real

On the contrary, the rollout was deftly handled: they created a constant buzz, locked out the traditional media, and were flexible enough to seize a last-minute opportunity to exploit a series of McCain gaffes rather than stay on a strict schedule. It's that flexibility that most impressed me.

During the past week, with no VP announcment to report, the news media had nothing else to do but pick over McCain's gaffes and lame retorts and play them over and over. Then, as that story appeared to play itself out, the Obama-Biden ticket became a middle-of-the-night breaking news story, is the only story of Saturday, and will be the topic of all the Sunday shows.

And then the convention begins: the result? A week of bad press for McCain, and not four but six solid days of favorable attention for the Democratic nominee.

Bungled? On what planet?

by BobzCat 2008-08-23 11:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

Clearly it would have been a better idea to tell half of America who his VP was before the man had any secret service protection at all.

by Cincinnatus 2008-08-23 08:43AM | 0 recs
I've had enough.

These incessant diaries being written by whiny ex-Clinton supporters are getting ridiculous. It's incredibly childish. Every time Obama does something that can even remotely be construed as a slight against Clinton, her troops show up to throw a temper tantrum. Every time Obama does anything, for that matter, her supporters show up to fault or criticize him however they can.

Obama did not choose to leak his vice presidential information to the media. What's worse is you know that. You are simply trying to find an issue on which you rip into Obama's campaign, find some way to portray him as "inexperienced" or incompetent, and all this because you are still feeling resentful about Clinton's bitter primary loss.

Every Democrat is excited about Obama's announcement today, except you. This election stopped being about Clinton when she bowed out of the race, but evidently you all didn't get the message. This is getting ridiculously self-absorbed, bordering on cultism. It's almost creepy.

Get over it and grow up.

by Covin 2008-08-23 08:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Duped?

This older woman thought it was fun, whimisical, and different.  I enjoyed it.  I'm not sure why you are in such an uproar over it, when it appears you didn't participate, oh well.  It was smart on the part of the campaign to have people offer their cell numbers.  All the way around, it was a novel idea.  Too bad the media figured it out and jumped the gun; not sure why you blame the campaign for that either. You seem to be straining for gnats.

by whognu 2008-08-23 04:37PM | 0 recs


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