Thanks Charles. Obama's endless prevaricating on this issue is shameless and somewhat embarrassing. I am also embarrassed by those who defend such a shameful display by our President. We will win the right to marry and Obama will be the wallflower.
The truth is the liberal side of the aisle are part of the problem and every bit as willing to lie and distort as the other side. We simply aren't as good at it. I have said huffpo wanted to smear Clinton and they wanted me to find ways to do it. What else do you want to hear? But nope. Not possible, right? A former news reporter for the AP didn't know when she was being asked to smear someone. I effing give up...
What they were interested in was catching her in lies. The idea that every politician slants their message to their audience was the strategy they wanted to turn against her. It was a gotcha game. And when I wanted to just report the speech as opposed to framing the story in the gotcha style, they were Not interested
Wow QTG you still can't hear the truth. Amazing!! I mean AMAZING. Why on earth would I bother to share this except that with the Sherrod slime job, the info is out there. And we might have a teachable moment. Breitbart worked for Huffpo, a so-called news outlet who asked me to deliberately find ways to say Hillary Clinton was a liar. How much clearer can it get for you?? Oh, wait. You are still back there fighting the primary war and yhour side can do no wrong...Jeeeeeze...
Happy new year to you and yours.
We have had this discussion before I think? And I can argue both sides. But we are about to have a "new" health care bill that will set us back Animal farm has come to pass and "new speak" reigns so that many things are the oppsoite of what they are labeled. I perceive the health care bill to be a fiasco at this point. And we are in the world of corporate apeasement, which has little to do with the old way of thinking about compromise, idealism and pragmatism. The Dems have given away the store--and getting nothing except a whole bunch more clients for Big Pharma. We have to face the way our candidates are bought and paid for by corporate interests and work to stop it.
I appreciated your thoughtful and clear commentary. I guess I am going to work to change the Party, not leave it. And if, as you say, a woman's right to choose is further compromised in the health bill--then that is all the more reason to work to change the party. Indpendents bring a lot to bear, but they do not shape platforms and policy, only provide a yeah or nay. I want to shape policy and see the Dem party restored to its roots.
What an interesting post. I supported Hill over Obama because I believed she would know how to get a progressive agenda DONE! He was portrayed as the progressive, she as the middle of the road backslider. But many of us who supported her did so because of her stand on the issues--like universal health care--which he never, ever supported. Obama was much better at public image making, but he also had the infatuation and mindless adoration [it seemed to me at the time]of people who didn't understand that a person's history on the issues is more important than what they promise. And Hill who does have a history on many, many issues said this over and over and over. He also played progressive anger over the war in Iraq like a maestro. Now he will get us deeper into Afghanistan and I believe Hill would have known better--at least I hope so. It's all hindsight now. But it is interesting to discuss. If anyone flames me for this, the rays are going to come back at you and singe your manhood. And yes, maybe now some Obama supporters can see that not everyone who supported Hill did so because of racism, but rather because of fear that Obama would prove to be an academic in office, ala Carter.
Why Aren't Progressives Disrupting ObamaCare Town Halls?
By DAVE LINDORFF
Many progressives are getting all bent out of shape over the "brown shirt" rabble organized by health industry PR firms to disrupt the so-called "town meetings" being organized all over the country by Democratic members of Congress.
What they are conveniently forgetting is that these are not really "town meetings" at all, at least in the sense of the town meetings I grew up with, and started out covering as a young journalist in Connecticut--that is, meetings called and run democratically, with leaders elected from the floor, open to all residents of a community.
These "town meetings" are really nothing but propaganda sessions run by members of Congress who are trying to burnish their fraudulent credentials as public servants, and trying to perpetrate a huge fraud of a health care bill that purports to be a progressive "reform" of the US health care system, but that actually further entrenches the control of that system by the insurance industry, and to a lesser extent, the hospital and drug industry.
ObamaCare is to health reform what bank bailouts are to financial system reform, which is to say it is the opposite of what its name implies.
The right-wing nuts who cry that ObamaCare is introducing euthanasia for the elderly and infirm, or that it is socialism, are ignorant wackos, to be sure, but they are right about one thing: Americans are about to be royally screwed on health care reform by the president and the Democratic Congress, just as they've been screwed by them on financial system "reform."
The appropriate response to this screw-job is the one the right has adopted: shut these sham "town meetings" down, and run the sell-out politicians out of town on a rail, preferably coated in tar and feathers they way the snake-oil salesmen of old used to be handled!
This is not about civil discourse. This is about propaganda. The Obama administration and the Democratic Congressional leadership have sold out health care reform for the tainted coin of the medical-industrial industry, and are holding, or trying to hold, these meetings around the country to promote legislation that has essentially been written for them by that industry--legislation that will force everyone to pay for insurance as offered, and priced, by the private insurance industry. What a deal for those companies--a captive market of 300 million people! There will be little or no effort to control prices, and the higher costs will be financed through higher taxes, and through cuts in Medicare benefits.
This isn't "reform." It's corruption, pure and simple.
Any mention of a system that works--single payer--the system we already have in the form of Medicare for the elderly and disabled, and the system that has proved successful for almost four decades in Canada-- has been systematically blocked and censored out of the discussion. Every effort has been made to bury an excellent bill, HR 676, offered up by Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), which would cover every American by simply expanding Medicare to cover everyone.
The only proper response at this point is obstruction, and the more militant and boisterous that obstruction, the better.
Instead of opposing the right-wing hecklers at these events, progressives should be making common cause with them. Instead of calling them fascists, we should be working to turn them, by showing them that the enemy is not the left; it is the corporations that own both Democrats and Republicans alike.
The only proper approach to the wretched health care legislation currently working its way through Congress at this point is to kill it and start over. At these "town meeting" staged events, Obama and the Democrats need to hear, in no uncertain terms, that we don't want no stinkin' ObamaCare. We want Medicare for all.
Dave Lindorff is a Philadelphia-based journalist and columnist. His latest book is "The Case for Impeachment" (St. Martin's Press, 2006 and now available in paperback). He can be reached at email@example.com
I feel such dismay over the deals the Obama administration is making to accomplish a bill that in fact will not be reform. A second deal is on Medicare which will see funds siphoned away for the "new" health care. I started to worry after the bank bailout which imo has been a disaster. I am very worried.