[UPDATED]The New Witch Among Us!!

The update is at the end.

There is only one explanation for the  high level of vitriol and hate assailing Sarah Palin about her kids, her legs, her body, her brain, and her speech. She's a woman. But more than that, she is a Working Class Woman. Mark Sanford gets ridiculed for his behavior, Dan Quayle for his smarts, Richard Nixon for his ethics, Clinton for his zipper, but no man in the history of American politics has taken the  beating on so many fronts that Sarah Palin has.

And no public figure that I can recall has been so maligned, misrepresented and just plain lied about.

Excerpted from the infamous Katie Couric interview on CBS early in the campaign this Youtube video's headline screams:

Sarah Palin Explains Why Women Should Be Forced to Bear Their Rapists Babies
No, that's not true, but you have to watch the whole video to see that:

So why has Palin  been pilloried and figurateively, if not literally  burned at the stake, like the  witches of yesteryear?

Do you think it could be because she is only the second woman in American history to be nominated for Vice President?

Do you think it could be because she has dared to say we have a runaway political-media machine who are in cahoots and selling you a load of moosedung?

Do you think it could be because she refused to abort a special needs child?

Do you think it could be  because she was a beauty queen?

Do you think it could be because she had the nation laughing with her in the debate with Joe Biden and actually on their feet at her speech to the 2008  Republican Convention?

Do you think it is because she talks like my Mom and Dad talked and like millions of other working class people who don't have health insurance, don't get paid vacations, don't own homes and don't know any better than to like their lives?

Do you think it is because her daughter Had to get married?

This list could go on, but you get the drift. And for the record I want to say that there is not a snowball's chance in hell that I would ever vote for Sarah Palin. Our positions on the issues are different. I support wolves and whales and I believe as profoundly as I believe in anything that a woman has the right to chose and control her own body.

But I am a woman and I say ENOUGH!! This misogynistic orgy must be seen for what it is. Just because you do not like her positions, doesn't give you the right to denigrate her as a female person. If you do not understand how putting a woman down for being dumb, a sleazy stewardess, a bimbo, a breeding machine, a religious kook, a slut, white trash, a scheming bitch, a controlling Mom, uneducated, unethical and  quaint, to recall only a few of the  words written or uttered about her--then you don't get woman hatred.  

You don't like her, fine. You don't agree with her on the issues. Fine!  But we not only hate Palin and all her parts, we lie about her positions. And then we refuse to correct the lies. For the record Sarah Palin has never insisted on abstinence-only sex education,  did not slash funds for special-needs children  and she never  demanded creationism be taught in public schools.

The fact is the media has lied with impunity about her. And today's so-called feminists are a joke.  There are no feminists writing in the media today. There are women who call themselves feminists in order to ridicule other women like Sarah and Hillary and encourage you to  vote for those they trust: "qualified" men.

I feel angry about this latest orgy of misogyny in the media. It is demeaning to women. What if Palin did actually resign as she told us  in part  to stop the state being hijacked by eithics complaints against her. More than a dozen at last count have been lodged, all brought by political adversaries, and most of them patently frivolous.

No matter how frivolous, it has cost Palin more than half a million to defend herself. Alaska has a new political strategy--you ethically complain your opponent to death. And no one in the media seems to get the price in human life that these complaints are costing. Neither has anyone bothered to say that it does seem as if the complaint process in Alaska--where anyone can file an ethical complaint--- has run amuck, has become a travesty and a means of waging a political vendetta.

And very  few pundits remind us  that every one of these complaints appeared only after she rose to political prominence.

Who knows what Palin's plans are? She did not resign in a manner that suggests she is actually contemplating more politics and more of the same. Palin wants her life back. That's the way working class people are.  Hard as it may be for middle class people to understand.

Update [2009-7-7 20:1:39 by linfar]: IMO Palin Is running for President in 2012. And like Richard Nixon before her when he told the press you won't have Tricky Dick to kick around anymore, she is following his playbook. I don't feel tooooooo had--but I ain't going home with the woman who brung me to this post. All that said--woman and class stuff still holds. :)

Tags: a woman's right to choose, Bill Clinton, Dan Quayle, Hillary Clinton, Mark Sanford, Sarah Palin, whales abortion, wolves, working class (all tags)

Comments

197 Comments

Re: The New Witch Among Us!!

Thank you linfar!

Sarah Palin's often misunderstood position on abortion rights:
Politically - It should be the will of the people.
Women should not be criminalized for having an abortion.

Personally - she is against abortion.

Now I'm a pro-choice person but I can't find anything wrong with someone who chooses one way but cannot criminalize a choice made the other way. She seems OK to me.

by ellend818 2009-07-06 03:46PM | 0 recs
Re: The New Witch Among Us!!

thanks, ellend, I can't either. We have anti- abortion people in the democrfatic party, for pete's sake.

by linfar 2009-07-06 04:38PM | 0 recs
Re: The New Witch Among Us!!

Yeah, Linfar, the derision has nothing to do with the fact that she actually says things like this:

But as for whether another pursuit of national office, as she did less than a year ago when she joined Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., in the race for the White House, would result in the same political blood sport, Palin said there is a difference between the White House and what she has experienced in Alaska. If she were in the White House, she said, the "department of law" would protect her from baseless ethical allegations.

"I think on a national level, your department of law there in the White House would look at some of the things that we've been charged with and automatically throw them out," she said.

There is no "Department of Law" at the White House.

Stop defending this embarrassment.

by Pragmatic Left 2009-07-07 08:06AM | 0 recs
Re: The New Witch Among Us!!

I am not embarrasssed by this statement. I am sorry for her.  And I get what she is trying to say. To me what is happening to Palin is like watching a bunch of kids bully another.  

by linfar 2009-07-07 10:23AM | 0 recs
Being a woman doesn't excuse you

from being an idiot. She's "bullied" and made fun of because she's clueless. She sounds like your typical dumb redneck and she's proud of it and thinks we should trust her with the country because of it.

Her gender is irrelevant. We make fun of Joe the Plumber and people like Jim Inhofe for the same thing.

by DTOzone 2009-07-07 10:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Being a woman doesn't excuse you

This is what I mean by the classism. "She sounds like your typical dumb redneck." There is no typical dumb redneck you dodo.

by linfar 2009-07-07 11:49AM | 0 recs
I mean stereotypical dumb redneck

the type you see parodied in the media.

by DTOzone 2009-07-07 12:02PM | 0 recs
Memo from a concerned Alabamian...

There is no typical dumb redneck you dodo.

Yes there is.

Just sayin'. ; )

by sricki 2009-07-07 12:07PM | 0 recs
Stay classy.

She sounds like your typical dumb redneck.

I wonder how many mojo's you would get if you replaced redneck with a race or ethnic group.

by psychodrew 2009-07-07 01:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Stay classy.

Well, to answer your question, I took your post and turned it into "I wonder how many laughs Jeff Foxyworthy would get if he changed "You know you're a redneck if..." with a race or ethnic group and immediately thought of the famous Chris Rock bit.

Which immediately brought to mind the episode of The Office where the Steve Carell character repeats it and doesn't understand why people get mad.  The point is that if you are one, you can say it.  And EVERYONE is allowed to make fun of white people.  Them's the rules - I'm comfortable with it.

by Jess81 2009-07-07 05:51PM | 0 recs
We can go back to the primaries here

and find out...my guess is...about the same

by DTOzone 2009-07-07 06:11PM | 0 recs
Oh Snap!

The Clinton supporters were racist!

Wow, I've never heard that one before.  Pat yourself on the back for that.

by psychodrew 2009-07-07 07:41PM | 0 recs
I was a Clinton supporter

and I wasn't a racist

But the words "inadequate black man" seem to come to mind.

Yes, there were certainly a few Clinton supporters who were racists, and if they weren't, said some things on the blogs that could be considered such.

by DTOzone 2009-07-07 08:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Being a woman doesn't excuse you

For someone claiming victimhood, she doesn't half do a lot of bullying herself.

Good tactic though. I remember it at school. Girls would give you chinese burns or kicks, and then when the teacher turned round, start crying.

Classy stuff.

by brit 2009-07-07 01:32PM | 0 recs
I've had the same feeling at times.

It's almost like she's the kid who everybody knows it's okay to bully.  She's that kid to whom you can say (and do) anything and it's acceptable.

by psychodrew 2009-07-07 01:10PM | 0 recs
Re: I've had the same feeling at times.

I don't get this. Lots of things are said on blogs, and a lot of them meaningless and nasty. But I have to say I've seen more nasty things said about Obama on Liberal blogs in the last few months than said about Palin. She does attract derision (er... for obvious reasons completely separate from her gender or putative class) but no one I've seen has accused of not be a 'real American', as she said about the President.

Bullying is bad. But in her professional life (see Wasilla and Juneau) Palin has been an effective bully. To point that out isn't an act of aggression, its an act of defense. How is justice served by not criticising her politics?

I'm still baffled by all this... but it does make an entertaining bun fight of a diary.

by brit 2009-07-07 01:18PM | 0 recs
I just think

they're projecting their anger about Hillary onto Sarah Palin.

Palin DESERVES the ridicule she gets...why do we need to treat her with kid gloves, because she's a woman, we should pity her stupidity and ignorance?

by DTOzone 2009-07-07 06:16PM | 0 recs
Re: I just think

You make a great point.  There is nothing more insulting to women than projecting Hillary's earned accomplishments onto a woman who has exactly one thing in common with her -- and x chromosome.  

To take gender out of this equation, it'd be like saying that Alan Keyes is derided because of his race and uptight Ivy League pedigree -- just like Obama is.  

by Pragmatic Left 2009-07-07 07:21PM | 0 recs
Nobody is doing that.

There is nothing more insulting to women than projecting Hillary's earned accomplishments onto a woman who has exactly one thing in common with her -- and x chromosome.

by psychodrew 2009-07-07 07:42PM | 0 recs
I just don't understand

how you can not see why Palin is being ridiculed the way she is and why she deserves it. I cannot defend any defense of this woman, she is dangerous.

She's a nasty, back-stabbing, vindictive bigot. She deserves the ridicule she gets. She'd deserve it if she were a man.

by DTOzone 2009-07-07 08:08PM | 0 recs
We shouldn't forget...

...the context for all this recent Palin bashing (after all the Obama bashing of recent weeks).

Through her lawyer, Palin explicitly threatened to sue bloggers who discussed 'rumours' about her reason for quitting the Governorship. This was an incitement for the blogosphere to go crazy and retort so 'sue me'.

A similiar thing would have happened to Obama or Hillary if they'd taken that route a year or so ago.

So let's put the 'orgy' in context. A lot of it was a swingers party of free speech.  

by brit 2009-07-08 02:05AM | 0 recs
Of course.

We're mentally disturbed.

That must be it.

by psychodrew 2009-07-07 07:40PM | 0 recs
Yeah, because that's what I said

by DTOzone 2009-07-07 08:02PM | 0 recs
Re: I've had the same feeling at times.

Exactly. And we are having a national kick her orgy.

by linfar 2009-07-07 01:48PM | 0 recs
An inconvenient Gallup Poll

How 'bout that?

Palin was a relatively unknown political figure when tapped to be John McCain's running mate, but she quickly energized the GOP ticket, drawing large crowds to their rallies during the presidential campaign. But news coverage of her quickly took a negative turn and many in the political world came to view her as a drag on the McCain campaign.

Palin herself has argued that she has been unjustly attacked by the news media, and most Americans seem to agree. The new poll finds 53% describing the news media's coverage of Palin as "unfairly negative," while just 9% say it has been "unfairly positive" and 28% say it has been "about right."

When Gallup asked a similar question about news coverage of Palin shortly after the Republican National Convention last September, Americans were more evenly divided in their views, with 33% saying the coverage was unfairly negative and the plurality of 36% saying it was about right. At that time, 21% thought the media were being unfairly positive toward Palin.

by psychodrew 2009-07-07 01:52PM | 0 recs
Re: An inconvenient Gallup Poll

Couldn't resist replying so I can tip this over to a hundred comments. When did that last happen here?

On the news coverage (I thought we were talking about blogs)  even Fox has turned against her, which is bizarre. She must have pissed off some powerful people (kind of makes me like her for that, but then I slap myself hard and realise I'm mad).

The reality is that during the campaign she refused to submit to normal press conferences or hardball Q and As (and failed the friendly interviews she did) and since then has refused to submit to the usual political interrogations. Smart strategy if the Couric interview is anything to go by.

But 53% is a high figure. Perhaps the martyr strategy is working.

Palin for 2012!

by brit 2009-07-07 01:59PM | 0 recs
news media coverage is unfairly negative

of pretty much EVERYBODY, but that's not what we're talking about.

by DTOzone 2009-07-07 06:13PM | 0 recs
Orgy?

That's the second time you've used a sexual term as a stand-in for violence.  In the diary above, you call what is happening an "orgy of misogyny."  If you want to call this a metaphorical gang-rape, just own that and come out with it.  Orgies connote consensual sexual behavior.  Blurring the line between sexual violence and consensual sex has proven sociologically problematic, to say the least...

...I say fuck that!

by Strummerson 2009-07-07 11:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Orgy?

If you want to call this a metaphorical gang-rape, just own that and come out with it.

Oh, she's not below pullin' that hyperbolic nonsense as well.

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/8/1/14 344/86612/85#85

by Kysen 2009-07-08 08:23AM | 0 recs
Orgy?

That's the second time you've used a sexual term as a stand-in for violence.  In the diary above, you call what is happening an "orgy of misogyny."  If you want to call this a metaphorical gang-rape, just own that and come out with it.  Orgies connote consensual sexual behavior.  Blurring the line between sexual violence and consensual sex has proven sociologically problematic, to say the least...

...I say fu<k that!</p>

by Strummerson 2009-07-07 11:12PM | 0 recs
During the campaign

her events were orgies of hate that unleashed the worst in American Politics.  She leveled outrageous lies against Obama.

She is a mediocrity of the worst sort, who engaged in the politics of the gutter.  Her pretense was all the more pathetic given her lack of knowledge about the issues of the day which even conservative pundits will admit to.  Her selection was outrageous.  Her resignation as Governor of Alaska makes her appear what she has always been: a nut.

Like all conservatives she complains when people attack her and claims to be the victim.  In this she most nearly resembles Rush Limbaugh.  Just because she makes this claim doesn't mean it is true.

by fladem 2009-07-07 10:26AM | 0 recs
Re: During the campaign

She will be even more like Rush when she becomes the next multi-millionaire talking head.  

I will say that there has been a piling on, but I think it is a reaction from the very things you stated, and I think we are venting our frustration that this jack-ass was almost number 2 to an older number 1 with health problems.

The very thought of Palin dealing on the international scene should give everyone a deep chill

by KLRinLA 2009-07-07 11:37AM | 0 recs
PDS

Palin Delusion Syndrome seems to only affect the PUMA crowd.

One of the main symptoms, and you can see it even now if you go to the PUMA sites, is that Palin REALLY is on our side as far as reproductive rights.

Man, this is same as trusting Republicans telling us they are all about helping the middle class in the health care debate?  

Just as they are for the corporations in the health care debate, Palin is for the Theocrats who want to eliminate ANY options for women's reproductive rights except letting God and the Male Dominated Republican machine decide.

by WashStateBlue 2009-07-07 07:58AM | 0 recs
Re: PDS

No way is she on my side about reproductive rights, wsb, but she has said many times--altho it always gets lost--is that she will accept the will of the people on abortion. This never gets heard because people focus on her personal choices and she focuses on them. Palin is not a skilled politician--that is she does not dissemble and deflect. She is like a deer in the headlights .

by linfar 2009-07-07 10:27AM | 0 recs
See below

her "personal choices" have involved making rape victims pay for their own rape kits, because rape kits contain the morning after pill, which is, in her twisted world, "taxpayer funded abortion."

Her personal choices also included firing a public safety commissioner as part of  a family feud, a man who was actively working on trying to reduce Alaska's abysmal record of violence against women and children.

This a woman who belongs nowhere near the levers of power.

by Sadie Baker 2009-07-09 03:20AM | 0 recs
You really believe her?

The woman made rape victims pay for their own rape kits. This is your feminist martyr?

She is nasty, nasty piece of work.

by Sadie Baker 2009-07-09 03:11AM | 0 recs
Do you think it's because

she's a blatant hypocrite?

Do you think it's because she complained that Hillary Clinton was whining about how the media treats her and then came out whining about how the media treats her?

Do you think it's because she said in November 2006 that even if her daughter was raped, she should not be allowed to CHOOSE to have an abortion?

Do you think it's because she charged women for rape kits when she was Mayor of Wasilla?

Do you think it's because she proclaimed May 1, 2007 "Loyalty Day" to reaffirm everyone's loyalty to the United States...as if there weren't plenty of other holidays already who do that?

Yes, I think Sarah Palin is dangerous, scary, and a complete moron. I think she's a fascists and I hate fascism...and I proudly supported Hillary Rodham Clinton for President of the United States, so don't try to misogynist thing on me.

by DTOzone 2009-07-06 04:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you think it's because

You didn't support Hillary around here. It is amazing to me how many people supported Hillary NOW...

by linfar 2009-07-07 10:28AM | 0 recs
I wasn't here during the primaries

I was in Connecticut, New Hampshire and Pennsylvania helping Hillary's campaign. Do you need to see pictures?

by DTOzone 2009-07-07 10:31AM | 0 recs
Re: I wasn't here during the primaries

Pictures can be faked!

Only Sarah is real.

by January 20 2009-07-07 10:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Do you think it's because

It was very interesting to see how much affection some people suddenly had for Hillary Clinton once Sarah Palin came along.

by psychodrew 2009-07-07 01:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you think it's because

Actually, I found a great deal of affection for her around May, long before Palin came along.

But Palin threw into vivid relief Hillary's strengths, which came from the content of her character, rather than the shape of her genitalia.

by brit 2009-07-07 01:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you think it's because

It cuts both ways - neither Psychodrew or especially linfar, especially linfar - who wrote some pretty hateful (sorry) stuff about Black Panthers and secret radicals and all that - had anything nice to say to Obama during the primary.  Cause you know, we were all running against each other.

Duh.

by Jess81 2009-07-07 05:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you think it's because

Not exactly.

by psychodrew 2009-07-07 07:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you think it's because

I think my larger point still stands.  Sorry for bringing you into it, although it wasn't an insult.

But linfar?  It's not hard for me to back up what I'm saying in her case.  And keep in mind her worst diaries were deleted.

Anyway Palin's rollout happened immediately after the DNC, and the much-praised Clinton speech.

by Jess81 2009-07-08 09:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Do you think it's because

RIFL--so true, so true. It was incredible.

by linfar 2009-07-07 01:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you think it's because

I remember having drinks with an Obama staffer here in Tampa the night we were waiting for Obama's veep pick.  She loved Obama from the beginning and had nothing nice to say about Hillary--the usual ambitious, heartless, undeserving bullshit.  Then along came Sarah Palin.  Soon after, she told me how Sarah was no Hillary and how disrespectful it was for John McCain to assume she could be a substitute.

by psychodrew 2009-07-07 01:58PM | 0 recs
Re: The New Witch Among Us!!

The reason I hold a deep, deep hatred for Palin is the same reason I hold a deep, deep hatred for the previous President. They are both profoundly ignorant and proud of it. They wear idiocy on their sleeves, grinning and winking their way through life, constantly congratulating themselves for going so far while knowing so little. They are each vindictive, petty, and contemptuous of those with the temerity to know what they're talking about, and they each have a habit of pitching a fit when anyone has the audacity to call them on their bull.

George W. got away with it because his father was rich, well connected, and President, plus a folksy demeanor. Palin has gotten away with it through sex appeal and folksy demeanor.

But I wouldn't trust either of them to take care of my cat, much less a city, state, or country.

by EvilAsh 2009-07-06 04:17PM | 0 recs
Re: The New Witch Among Us!!

There is a difference between being opposed to someone and demonizing them. I believe we are demonizing her in part because she is a woman--a working class woman. That is what this post is attempting to point out.

by linfar 2009-07-06 04:40PM | 0 recs
And you would be wrong

she's been demonized because she's a right wing hack who spend her short time as a Republican running mate trying to accuse our President of being friends with terrorists. It has nothing to do with her gender, but that's exactly what the Republicans wanted you to think.

And btw, those who demonize her the most from my point of view have been other women...who suppported Hillary (I was a little hillraiser back during the primaries), those friends I made during that campaign are the one who are most demonizing of Sarah Palin simply because it was offensive to them that the Republicans would try to make her their Hillary Clinton.

And in what world is Sarah Palin a working class woman? Her net worth was estimated at $1.2 million last fall?

http://blogs.wsj.com/wallet/2008/10/03/s arah-palin-millionaire/

Hardly a "working class woman"

by DTOzone 2009-07-06 05:01PM | 0 recs
Re: And you would be wrong

class isn't about how much money you make. Sarah talks like working class people. You steadfastly refuse to see what this is about. There is class hatred and women hatred combining to create a perfect political storm over this woman. I supported Hillary, as everyone on this site well knows. it doesn't make me blind to mysogyny being heaped on a political opponent.

by linfar 2009-07-06 05:11PM | 0 recs
Which is exactly why she's hated

She TALKS like working class people, but she ISN'T one...it's an act, a lie, a scam, like all Republicans these days.

She's not demonized for being a woman, she's demonized because she's a typical hypocritical Republican who tries to dumb down our country.

by DTOzone 2009-07-06 05:31PM | 0 recs
Re: And you would be wrong

Linfar, Palin's accent and all the "you-betchas" was intentional to play up her down-homey-ness. In her old debates in Alaska, there was none of that. She still didn't make a whole lot of sense, but the accent wasn't nearly as strong, and there was none of the folksy sayings. I wouldn't say it was fake,  but it was certainly a conscious decision.

And it's possible to be working class and still know what you're talking about.

by EvilAsh 2009-07-06 05:39PM | 0 recs
Re: And you would be wrong

Of course, you can be working class and know what you are alking about. But I ask you. Where is the working class person who talks like a working class person on the national stage. We ridicule working class people for their speech, and for their way of speaking. We demand it be eradicated at thelevel of public discourse.

by linfar 2009-07-07 10:30AM | 0 recs
Wherever they are

they're not in the Alaska State House lin.

by DTOzone 2009-07-07 10:32AM | 0 recs
Re: And you would be wrong

What does "talking like you're working class" mean?  I ask this sincerely.  I think of those aw shucks aphorisms as more country than working class.  I never identified anything particularly working class in Palin's speech.  Furthermore there are certainly plenty of working class people (not enough, I would argue) on the national stage.  Most of the Dem. Black Caucus come from more humble beginnings, for example.  

by orestes 2009-07-07 04:42PM | 0 recs
Re: And you would be wrong

I'd like to refer you to my definition below: in this diary, for operational purposes, working-class means white with a regional accent.

by Jess81 2009-07-07 05:29PM | 0 recs
Re: And you would be wrong

What is 'talk like a working class person'?
Each individual commands several levels of language appropriate to diverse circumstances. In everyday life, a working class person arguably speaks differently from a university professor
(but beware of generalizations). However, when
a working class person talks publicly, he/she doesn't talk in the same way as privately (just like anybody).

Describing Sarah Palin's manner of speaking as a 'working class' mode of expression is an insult to working class people, many of whom are perfectly articulate if not very eloquent when they need to - cf trade union leaders.

However her manner of speaking publicly is completely artificial, as she deliberately adopts a level of language which is not appropriate which is not suited to the circumstances.

It's just plain demagoguery.

by french imp 2009-07-07 11:11PM | 0 recs
Re: And you would be wrong

I can say with certainty, you betcha, you ain't never been to Alaska. She is pure Alaska speak. Just like Fargo...which was a great satrical commentary.

by linfar 2009-07-07 01:52PM | 0 recs
Actually I've been to Alaska

was there a few months before she was elected Governor...didn't really hear any you-betchas or Palin-esque speak.

But to quote my aunt;

"I don't want a politician to sound like my neighbor...if I did, I'd vote for my neighbor"

by DTOzone 2009-07-07 02:12PM | 0 recs
Hi Lin,

Your background wouldn't make you blind to sexism (or hatred of women).  If anything, by nature, it would much more likely make you at times see it where it is not, or to see more of it than exists.

Is it possible to look at a cultural phenomenon like the Palin Experience and not see issues and commentary of or influenced by gender?  Absolutely not.  Is it possible to separate the issue of gender from issues of purely political and "public figure" content?  Mostly.

Sarah Palin earns enough derision the old-fashioned way - by being a buffoon - to make her what she is.   This same skill of buffoonery is what many of her actual supporters like about her, so she further deserves no more mercy than any other public figure.

by chrisblask 2009-07-06 05:40PM | 0 recs
Heyyyyyy,

fancy seein' you here! ; )

by sricki 2009-07-06 05:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Heyyyyyy,

If you're here its party time. Open the champagne. Did someone mention sexism?

Oh where are the flames of yesteryear

by brit 2009-07-06 05:49PM | 0 recs
Well how about that.

It feels like a MyDD reunion! As you can see by my sig, I'm only here to hunt teh engels -- but I'm always up for champagne.  ; )

by sricki 2009-07-06 05:51PM | 0 recs
Champers and caviar?

How about beer and brats instead?

And Lin, crosspost this (or anything) on the Moose anytime you like.  There are Moose who would agree with you on these things, and the rest of us will at least be polite.

:~)

by chrisblask 2009-07-06 06:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Champers and caviar?

How about brats poached in beer then grilled? Add some olive oil/balsamic marinated portabellas, grilled peppers and onions and you've got our dinner tonight. Oh yeah, forgot about the homemade potato salad and strawberry shortcake.

by MS01 Indie 2009-07-06 06:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Champers and caviar?

OMG....

{drools}

by fogiv 2009-07-06 07:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Champers and caviar?

on a bed of arugula?

by Strummerson 2009-07-07 07:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Champers and caviar?

Will do. But I am having computer glitches. Like everytime I have gone to respond to your more substantive comment, the damn computer dies. Grrrr. So feel free to put it up over there, huh

by linfar 2009-07-07 11:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Heyyyyyy,

oh brit,  you are not actually nostalgic for the flmes. non, no, no say it isn't so :)

by linfar 2009-07-07 09:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Heyyyyyy,

Only kidding linfar. I'm not nostalgic for the flame wars, but I did make some great friends

by brit 2009-07-07 01:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Hi Lin,

Hi Chris, I attempted to reply to this  3 times now and everytime the computer crashed from some electircal work or something around here. Jeeesh. I appeciate the more temperate tone of your comment. And sure, my own bias may be hindering me from weighing her shortcomings as heavily as others do. And as I keep saying I do not agree with her on the issues. But all that said--this is [in part] a crucifixion for being a working class woman with chutzpah. And I hate to see that part of it. It really makes me cringe. I also think you will appreciate this so I am going to share it here. When I first moved to Manhattan I was in a Red Stockings conscious raising group. We were 12 complete strangers who met once a week and on the 5th week or thereabouts the women who had gone to NYU and Vassar met before the group--I was invited--to decide "what to do about Sally." Sally was from rural Pennsylvania, had never been to college or at best the local community 2 yr., and she did not talk in a middle class style. Sally told stories. When it was her turn to talk she told a story. I adored her. She reminded me of my father. And I thought she was smart and very funny. And that her stories all had a wonderful point or moral.  The other women believed down to the soles of their middle class feet that she was dumb, ignorant as in "no one could be that stupid" and they wanted to vote her out because she "just didn't fit in because, well, stupid women just shouldn't waste our time." I objected. I said she made perefect sense to me. And I thought she was as bright as any of us. They patronized me. Said it was all well and good that I was being "nice," but she had to go. I did not persist. I wanted to say, "Hey, she talks just like my Dad. He was a story teller too. And he was the smartest guy I know." But I didn't. I didn't speak up and she was voted out and I saw the bewilderment and hurt in her eyes and I turned away. I have seen the same look in Palin's eyes. It is incomprehensible to her that people will attack Trig. I won't belabor this. But there is this aspect to what is happening to Sarah, and I despise it. I also don't want to keep quiet anymore. Good to talk to you...

by linfar 2009-07-07 12:10PM | 0 recs
Read this.
This is the best commentary on Sarah and the feminists that I have read. The comments are smart and sensible - and there are 450 of them.
Read it.
http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2009/07/ 04/feminists-and-the-mystery-of-sarah-pa lin/
by Marjoriest 2009-07-07 03:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Hi Lin,

I have a dampening effect on electrons.  Lights dim when I walk by...

I'm among the least loyal to the liberal herd and one of the first things to make me start to shy away is the aroma of feigned intellectual superiority.  As your story relates, this is often an artifact of people confusing it with educational superiority, which is not the same thing at all.

I do agree that there is a given amount of this going on in regards to Palin, I've had to ponder my own words before I write them and still don't think I have truly managed to avoid statements that can be read the same way.  Nonetheless, the presence of highbrow snobbery does not in itself prove that the victim is not in fact deserving of the criticism.

In Palin's case, it is not her lack of formal education that puts me off - she has more than both myself and at least one fairly recent President.  It's her lack of intellectual curiosity that chafes.  She gives the impression of not having thought about a lot of things, and she compounds that neglect by putting on a show designed to give the impression that she has developed opinions where in fact she does not.

My first impression of her was when she was unveiled as a competitor to me (by proxy, but nonetheless) so I'm not inclined to go easy on her, but I never underestimate an opponent.  She followed that by making all sorts of statements that define positions that I disagree with adamantly - and the few where we agree I feel she generally expressed the worst arguments in favor of.  Under longer scrutiny she turns out not to have the depth of experience on most of these issues to make more than the most shallow commentary.

No doubt as a human being she's no worse than your neighbor, and my strong opinion is that your neighbor is probably a wonderful person.  But if your neighbor chose to run for public office without being ready for it - and then tried to bluff his way through the competition - I would be just as likely to run roughshod over him as I have with Gov. Palin.

by chrisblask 2009-07-07 10:29PM | 0 recs
Re: And you would be wrong

Lin, being British, I may miss the class element in Sarah Palin's folksy speech, though I'd heard folksy too from the millionaire son of the Waspish Bush family who used to run your country.

But Palin doesn't dress working class does she? I'm not just talking about the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent during the campaign on fifth avenue designer stores. Her whole bearing seems quite middle class to me. From what I can tell of her background, there's no shack in Hope, Arkansas, or food stamps in Hawaii.

by brit 2009-07-06 05:53PM | 0 recs
Re: And you would be wrong

hey brit, they don't come any more working class than Palin. And the putting on the fancy duds is all part of it. the truth is most of Alaska is working class. Working class means exactly that. it is not poor or welfare. It is people who come from backgrounds where they work 9-5, like the mailman. but to me working class means more than that, it is attitude and style. Part of what the media doesn't get and continues to portray as dumb and uneducated and mis-informed  has to do with class bias. We have made middle class style, the correct one. We all speak in topic sentences and then fill in our points and then come to a conclusion. Palin doesn't talk like that. She is all over the map. She makes allusions, and she even ruminates while she speaks. She is completely off the cuff a lot fo the time. It makes for juicy headlines because the media is all playing "gotcha."  

by linfar 2009-07-07 02:01PM | 0 recs
Re: And you would be wrong

American class attributions baffle me, Lin, and others around say the she's faux folksy working class, so I'll just have to leave you guys to fight that one out.

But isn't it the republicans who someone associated being 'smart' with being 'superior'? It happens sometimes in London, where there is a white working class antipathy to anyone who reads a newspaper, a book, or shows any signs of intelligence.

But in Wales, where some of my descendants come from (and my kids mother) the working class celebrate learning, good language, fine singing, and the ability to say coherent pithy things. Don't ever go to a pub quiz there either, they know everything.

So yes Palin comes across of superficial and stupid, but is that a working class thing? I think of the Polish American metal workers from Detroit, or the farmers I've met from Washington State, and they all love 'breaking balls', being witty or well read.

And actually, I don't think she's stupid at all. She has a natural and fairly ruthless sense of her own self worth, and you don't get to be Governor without some savvy and street smarts.

I think what comes across is that she's not genuine and parades her ignorance rather like Bush did. But then again, forlorn remote Brit that I am, what do I know?

Still great to have a good debate about it though

by brit 2009-07-07 02:11PM | 0 recs
Re: And you would be wrong

Whether you like Sarah or hate her - there is no question about her being genuine. What you see is what you get. Rather refreshing, wouldn't you say?

by Marjoriest 2009-07-07 03:40PM | 0 recs
Genuine?!?!?!

LOL

THAT was rich.

Of course look who it is who's saying it. Did someone send out a PUMA call?

by DTOzone 2009-07-07 04:06PM | 0 recs
You must be kidding

George Dubya also "talked like working-class people."  I guess if Warren Buffet dropped his Gs he'd be working-class as well.

by JJE 2009-07-06 06:00PM | 0 recs
Re: You must be kidding

Dubya is a true phony about class and anyone in the working class knew and knows it. It is I think a mistake to conflate bush's folksy crapola with Palin who is the real deal. It is like me. When I get really upset or pushed too hard I drop my consonants and even say ain't. But I have a ph.d and have written books. Which is real. I have been called phony too. She has a ph.d, c'mon working class people aren't that educated. great book, not on class, but on themes that resonate with the discussion is Hunger of Memory by Richard Rodrigues. Its a brilliant depiction of the cost of becoming middle class in order to succeed.

by linfar 2009-07-07 02:05PM | 0 recs
ok the problem is

you think Palin is the real deal???? Seriously????

by DTOzone 2009-07-07 02:10PM | 0 recs
Therein lies the problem

Many of us see the same phoniness in Palin that you see in Dubya.  I think your view of what constitutes "class" is problematic precisely because it privileges fuzzy and fudge-able cultural cues over what one does for a living.

by JJE 2009-07-07 02:54PM | 0 recs
Re: And you would be wrong

I don't know any working class people that speak like her, or are that dumb. My father's an 80 year old carpenter who didn't graduate from high school. He may not always be right, but he isn't this dumb.

Her gotcha's, you betcha's, and all the other bull sound like a script from The Beverly Hillbillies. And are just as sincere. Frankly, I find rich people faking working class more insulting to working class people than any criticism I've heard about her. Faking is faking.

She quit college, she quit the Lt. Gov. race, she quit the Oil and Gas Commission, and now she's quit as Governor. Serial quitting has nothing to do with gender or class. It's just quitting.

She's a quitter and a working class fake, just like Bush. Maybe some people fall for that aw shucks pork fritter eatin, you betcha BS; but most people don't.

I know working class people, I grew up working class, she isn't working class.

She classless.

by meddembob 2009-07-07 12:33PM | 0 recs
Re: And you would be wrong

working class people in general [ I am generalizing horribly] do believe quitting is a sin.You see it through. Palin doesn't really care. She  talks to God--I hope he doesn't talk back. :) But she is walking through life trying to do good and make a difference. Her religion is incredibly important to her, as is her family. What I am trying to say is my take on her is that she's on a quest and that quest, and her belief system, is more important to her than politics or even material success. It makes her behavior very, very strange

by linfar 2009-07-07 02:10PM | 0 recs
Re: And you would be wrong

Palin has made some very unkind, unnecessary comments about others.  I don't file that under the category of trying to do good.  To me it comes off as mean and spiteful- and certainly not very Christian if religion really is that important to her.  Your tone has shifted from "she is treated unfairly' (which I somewhat agree with you on as I do believe women are more easily viewed as easier targets for bullies than men) to she's a wonderful person.  I don't know if your true intent is now showing, but it won't help your larger argument one bit.  

by orestes 2009-07-07 06:42PM | 0 recs
Re: The New Witch Among Us!!

Bullshit!

who's demonizing? Calling someone a hypocrite, a bit a joke as leadership material and lacking intellectual curiosity is not demonizing. It's pointing out the obvious.

by jsfox 2009-07-06 05:06PM | 0 recs
Re: The New Witch Among Us!!

R yu so deaf, dumb and blind by your own bias that  you cannot see demonizing when it is right in front of you?  

by linfar 2009-07-06 05:13PM | 0 recs
Re: The New Witch Among Us!!

Demonizing:  "a source or agent of evil, harm, distress, or ruin."

I don't think  Sarah is any of the above. She doesn't have the intellectual capacity. What I do think - she is a is a joke, out of her depth, has issues with the truth.

Pointing out obvious faults as a VP choice is not demonizing. And pointing bizarre behavior isn't demonizing either.

by jsfox 2009-07-06 05:30PM | 0 recs
Re: The New Witch Among Us!!

merle, please say you are being satirical. plz, plz, plz

by linfar 2009-07-07 10:06AM | 0 recs
Re: The New Witch Among Us!!
I disagree with you, there. People have certainly said some stupid, sexist things about her. And people have demonized her USING stupid, sexist language. But I don't necessarily believe that most people who have demonized her did so because she is a woman. (Of course, since I can't look into everyone's head, I can't know for sure. Just my opinion.)
I mostly believe this because she has given us SO MANY reasons to demonize her that have nothing to do with her gender. From malicious attacks to nod-nod-wink-wink racism to repeated, almost pathological lying to her proud ignorance on almost every facet of national politics . . . it's staggering. What it comes down to is that she should have NEVER been on the national stage. McCain shouldn't have asked, and she shouldn't have accepted.
There are, of course, exceptions. People who said she shouldn't run for national office because she has a young child were idiots, the Letterman joke just wasn't cool at all, and beauty queen jokes got old fast. And pretty much anything that comes out of Chris Matthews' mouth about ANY woman is going to be at least moderately offensive.
But then again, how many shirtless photos have you seen of Obama? How many jokes about Kerry's resemblance to a bloodhound? Mitt Romney's steel plated hair? John Edwards' vanity and expensive haircuts? Bill Clinton getting fat?
Physical attributes have never been off limits in politics. Political pundits made fun of John Adams height, for God's sake. But it's impolite to publicly criticize a woman's appearance. So, which rules do we use? Usually, it's to ignore a woman's appearance altogether. Is that the proper course?
Sarah Palin is unusual in a female politician because she flaunts her sexuality. That's new ground for female politicians who often work very, VERY hard to keep sexuality far, far away from their public persona. Who knows, maybe it's progress. It offends some, excites others, but it's hard to discuss the Palin phenomenon without at least mentioning it because it's such a large part of her political persona. Who is Sarah Palin without the winks and the sly grins?
Huh, in the process of writing this post, I've finally found SOMETHING good that might come of Sarah Palin. It might be the first ever time a female politician was unabashedly feminine in a nationwide political race. That may very well be a good thing.
It may open the door for a qualified woman to be herself in a similar way. Without, of course, the lying, the ignorance, etc. etc.
by EvilAsh 2009-07-06 05:28PM | 0 recs
A prominent Hillary supporter

who wasn't even going to vote until Sarah Palin popped up once said to me "Hillary Clinton moved the bar foward and Sarah Palin is singlehandedly pushing it right back"

That's why she's being demonized.

by DTOzone 2009-07-06 05:33PM | 0 recs
Re: The New Witch Among Us!!

So why has Palin  been pilloried and figurateively, if not literally  burned at the stake, like the  witches of yesteryear?

Because she is disingenuous, corrupt, dishonest, ignorant, cowardly, hypocritical, and unintelligent.

Also because she is a political and ideological nightmare, a stuttering idiot, a bumbling moron, a blubbering fool, a dangerous power-hungry lunatic, and a hyperventilating tinfoil hat-wearing disgrace to the state of Alaska.

Not to mention, she is just generally unqualified to hold or run for public office, as she has proven time and time again with myriad displays of stupidity and incompetence, most recently by resigning because things got a bit too hot for her, or because she's trying to avoid whatever upcoming scandal her family has undoubtedly brought entirely on itself.

You believe in women's rights. As such, you do yourself a disservice by defending this vile, disgusting filth of a politician, who has engendered your sympathy solely because she has a vagina, and who -- despite possessing one -- would send women's rights back to the stone age if ever she were given the chance. I am disappointed, linfar.

I'm torn on Palin though. Part of me hopes she continues to embarrass the GOP and runs for public office -- I would LOVE to see her get the nod for the nomination, if only because she'd be so much fun to crush during the general election. Personally, I love the interviews and would love to see more. Her incoherent, stumbling verbal fits are hysterical. I've never seen anyone, man or woman, who had so much difficulty with words. But on the other hand, I find her very existence vaguely nauseating, and as such, kind of hope she rots in political obscurity.

by sricki 2009-07-06 05:13PM | 0 recs
Case in point: HYPOCRITE.

by sricki 2009-07-06 05:19PM | 0 recs
Oooooh....

So...

What do you really think?  Heh.

I heart sricki.

by fogiv 2009-07-06 07:06PM | 0 recs
Back atcha, fog. ; ) n/t

by sricki 2009-07-06 07:09PM | 0 recs
Re: The New Witch Among Us!!

I despise her for her hatred.

She will pay for her vindictiveness.

by the mollusk 2009-07-07 08:02AM | 0 recs
Re: The New Witch Among Us!!

There's a subtle form of misogyny in the statement that she is a disgrace to women.  No woman should be expected to represent the entire gender or bear responsibility to her gender for her actions.  You would never say GWB is a disgrace to men, but simply a disgrace.  Women are entitled to the same right to stand and be judged on their own, not by comparison to other women.  I'm not saying you have a misogynistic intent, but it's important to be aware of.  

by orestes 2009-07-07 06:50PM | 0 recs
Re: The New Witch Among Us!!

You got trolled.  The poster's MO is trying to make Democrats look bad and fight each other.  He's been doing it for over a year.

Mojo'd for the sentiment though.

by Jess81 2009-07-07 07:05PM | 0 recs
Re: The New Witch Among Us!!

Oh, well.  I tend to read comments for their content without regard to the poster.  I gues I've probably been trolled a number of times.

by orestes 2009-07-08 04:59PM | 0 recs
And if you believe this . . .

Palin wants her life back

I have a bridge to nowhere that you might be interested in buying.

by jsfox 2009-07-06 05:14PM | 0 recs
Oh by the way,

and just as a matter of interest, of course:

Palin...

HATES...

wolves.

Governor Palin is an active promoter of Alaska's aerial hunting program whereby wolves are shot from the air or chased by airplanes to the point of exhaustion before the pilot lands the plane and a gunner shoots the animals point blank.  The program also targets bears.

   

     Palin offered a $150 bounty for wolves to entice hunters to kill more wolves in certain parts of the state, with hunters having to present a wolf's foreleg to collect the bounty.
    *

     She actively opposed a ballot measure campaign seeking to end the aerial hunting of wolves by private hunters and approved a $400,000 state-funded campaign aimed at swaying people's votes on the issue.
    *

     She also introduced legislation to make it easier to kill wolves and bears and which would have also removed the aerial hunting initiative from the ballot and block the ability of citizens to vote on the issue.
    *

     The Board of Game, which she appoints, has approved the killing of black bear sows with cubs as part of the program and expanded the aerial control programs.

   

     The media and state officials are currently looking into reports that state officials implementing one of the aerial wolf killing programs illegally killed five-week old wolf pups just outside their dens.


by sricki 2009-07-06 05:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh by the way,

Yeah. Enough of this identity politics stuff.  Who's going to stick up for us wolves?

Seriously though, I hold a completely opposition position to linfar, though I'm not dissing her for it.

To my mind, Sarah Palin is the victim of the arrant unthinking sexism of GOP males, and in particular one John McCain who thought he could peel off a lot of disaffected Hillary supporters post-primary by choosing a running mate who also has a vagina.

That's sexism pure and simple. And it did tie democrats up in knots. For about a week. But then Sarah's personality triumphed over her gender, and we all discovered that aswell as billing for rape kits, dismissing Librarians who wouldn't censor books, and generally behaving like a demagogue, S Palin was also ill informed about the world.

Who put her in this intolerable position of being one heart beat away from a potential ageing President I'll leave others to determine. If some people made sexist remarks while attacking her credentials, mark that off for bad taste. But lets not pretend a few democrats on blogs had anything to do with her rise and demise. The former was due to GOP sexism. The latter thanks to her own character and actions

by brit 2009-07-06 05:47PM | 0 recs
Brilliantly put, as usual.

The Republicans exploited her in the hopes that women who supported Hillary would be ignorant enough to be willing to vote for McCain's ticket, despite the fact that his political positions are (almost universally) antithetical to all that she supports and everything in which she most fervently believes. The GOP presumed ignorance on the part of Democratic women everywhere -- THAT was sexist. Fortunately it only worked on a couple hundred PUMAs, who likely would have voted for a wet mop, provided it was fitted with a skirt or propped against the wall alongside a pair of heels.

Most of the criticism Palin gets is, so far as I can see, pretty damn justifiable and rarely hinges on her gender.

by sricki 2009-07-06 06:00PM | 0 recs
You're on fire!

Fortunately it only worked on a couple hundred PUMAs, who likely would have voted for a wet mop, provided it was fitted with a skirt or propped against the wall alongside a pair of heels.

Hot damn.

by fogiv 2009-07-06 07:09PM | 0 recs
And I'm burnin' for you!

Oops, there went my streak. The corniness is overwhelming, but it just slipped out.

Sricki hearts fog. ; )

by sricki 2009-07-06 07:12PM | 0 recs
Silly rabbits...

by chrisblask 2009-07-06 07:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh by the way,

Of course, the rape kit thing and the librarian thing (and dozens of other stupid slanders) have been disproved ages ago - but you keep bringing them up as though they were fact. For goodness sake - do try to keep up.

by Marjoriest 2009-07-07 04:04PM | 0 recs
oh yeah

I forgot...she didn't KNOW her town was charging for rape kits...sorry.

I don't know what's worse, a mayor who charges rape victims for the kits...or a mayor who's ignorant of the fact that women in her small town are being charged for rape kits.

Frankly neither surprises me with someone like Palin.

by DTOzone 2009-07-07 04:09PM | 0 recs
Please provide links to actual

reports on how they had been disproved?

by louisprandtl 2009-07-07 04:13PM | 0 recs
Actually before you even link those

crappy defense of Sarah Palin, I suggest you read Jezebel's Megan's article on the so-called debunkers.

http://jezebel.com/5054308/debunking-the -sarah-palin-rape-kit-debunkers

Hope this helps.

by louisprandtl 2009-07-07 04:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Actually before you even link those

Wow, thank you for that link!  It's much more concise than anything on the subject I've read.

by Jess81 2009-07-07 07:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh by the way,
Yeah, what the hell?
There's got to be a reason for this, right?
I've never been against hunting, but this looks kinda nuts.
I'd love more info on that. Was the population of these animals exploding beyond controllable levels? Were they all destined to die of starvation? Was it a sustinance hunting thing, where the wolves were killing off all the deer and people couldn't feed their families?
Or does Sarah Palin just really like shooting things? And collecting contributions from people who like to pay a lot of money to shoot things?  
by EvilAsh 2009-07-06 05:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh by the way,

There's got to be a reason for this, right?

Far as I can tell, she's just a sick, hateful person who has no regard for life, and sanctions pretty much any kind of killing in question, provided it doesn't take place in humans between the time of conception and birth.

by sricki 2009-07-06 06:06PM | 0 recs
Jeopardy Question

I'll take politics for 200 Alex!

a sick, hateful person who has no regard for life, and sanctions pretty much any kind of killing in question, provided it doesn't take place in humans between the time of conception and birth.

What is a Republican.

by DTOzone 2009-07-06 06:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Jeopardy Question

Kudos.  Best tag team comment I've read in ages.

by fogiv 2009-07-06 07:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh by the way,

I just posted about wolves here a few days ago and I do so regularly which I think you know, but Palin's apparent hostility is connected more to her husband and the needs of the inuit people in Alaska. It is widely believed, especially in more rural hunting areas, that wolves are competitors for game. She is surrounded by people who hunt for food, her family does. She is not some mindless, heartless killer. And you know I have supported wolves almost since they were first introduced back into Yellowstone. Aerial killing is a monstrous travesty and evil But Murkowski supported it. And every governor of Alaska has supported it.  

by linfar 2009-07-07 02:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh by the way,
If you lived in wild rural areas, you would know that the wildlife people try to keep a balance. If there are too many wolves, they kill the deer, cariboo, rabbits, etc., until these populations suffer. If there are too many deer and cariboo, they are opened for more hunting to even things. There used to be a natural balance, but people screwed it up - so the governments try to keep it balanced as much as possible.
So you have to ask - is the life of a wolf worth more than the life of a cariboo? Or a dozen cariboo? If a wolf is hungry because the food is getting short in supply and kills your cattle or sheep - what would you do?
It is all very well to be conscious of senseless killing, but reasonable governments try to keep things in balance as much as possible.
by Marjoriest 2009-07-07 04:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh by the way,

And shooting animals out of a helicopter - well that shit's just fun.

by Jess81 2009-07-07 05:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh by the way,

All part of the natural 'balance'

by brit 2009-07-08 01:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Oh by the way,

When they start training wolves to fly helicopters and use telescopic rifles...

by brit 2009-07-08 01:18AM | 0 recs
Working class?

She was a millionaire governor when she first appeared on the scene.  Her past jobs include TV anchor, and helping with the fishing business that Todd Palin owns.  The petite bourgeouisie is kind of not the same thing as working class, if I remember my Marx.  For his part, in addition to being owning a business Todd was an oil production supervisor who made close to $100k in 2007.

Saying Palin embodies the working class is an insult to working people.

by JJE 2009-07-06 05:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Working class?

Yeah, she's more like the petite bourgeouisie image that keeps people from organizing.  They don't want justice, they want her.

by the mollusk 2009-07-07 07:28AM | 0 recs
I think you missed the mark here. I don't think

criticism of Sarah Palin can be attributed to misogny. I don't plan to rehash the 2008 election, but Sarah Palin's performance under national limelight thus far, unfortunately reeks of gross nepotism and incompetence. She reminds me of GWBush.

by louisprandtl 2009-07-06 07:01PM | 0 recs
Re: I think you missed the

Hey, lp--your points are fair enough But the other is happening as well--nepotism and incompetence are standard among pols. Was it Biden who wanted his sone to take his senate seat??

by linfar 2009-07-07 11:44AM | 0 recs
Agreed nepotism crosses party lines. However

Biden's son will still have to run to get elected if he wishes to after coming back from Iraq.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/0 6/14/will_bidens_son_run_for_senate.html

by louisprandtl 2009-07-07 04:27PM | 0 recs
I like her.

I think she's nice.

by Strummerson 2009-07-06 09:48PM | 0 recs
Oh Lin, you're such a troublemaker.

Sarah Palin did eventually demonstrate that she was dishonest, unready for the job, a hypocrite, and skilled at gutter politics.  But she was the victim of below-the-belt attacks from the very beginning.  I remember being appalled at what was being written about her (in the "progressive" blogosphere) in the first few weeks after McCain chose her.

I'm not sure how much of it is sexism, though.  There is definitely some of that out there, cloaked in passionate political debate.  But still, Dan Quayle and Bush 43 were both called stupid.  Bush 41 was called a wimp.  Rush Limbaugh's appearance and drug problem are often belittled.  Sarah Palin is so polarizing that rational discourse is almost impossible.  It's just like talking about Hillary Clinton and the primaries.

Good, provocative diary.  I think people need to read differing opinions.

by psychodrew 2009-07-07 07:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Oh Lin, you're such a troublemaker.

thanks Drew. All I can say at this point is we wonder why their used to be lynch mobs? The level of vitriol about this one woman boggles the mind. I wish the days when we disagreed with people on the issues would return. The politics of personal destruction just sickens me. And I do remember when all of this sort of crapola now being dished about Palin was said of Hillary. She was a scheming, conniving, hypocrite and liar who cared nothing for politics and was only out to make a name for herself and take bribes and on and on and on. And she had fat legs and her kid was ugly and...

by linfar 2009-07-07 11:34AM | 0 recs
Re: The New Witch Among Us!!

I'm a working class guy, always have been, and all the women I know are working class, too. I come from a long line of farmers and workers, and I wear my blue shirt proudly.

The ladies I've known all my life, with their hair wrapped in bandannas and worn-out cotton gloves on their hands, wear their working class badges with as much pride as I do.

You do great disservice when you say Palin speaks like working class women... none I know, or have heard, sound like Palin, even when English is not their first language.

It doesn't take a college education to be able to communicate effectively with others- just some careful thought and common sense works pretty well most of the time. There are women working on production lines, farms, and offices all over who speak clearly, effectively and thoughtfully every day. Comparing these ladies to Sarah Palin is a deep insult to their intelligence.

by banjomike 2009-07-07 07:18AM | 0 recs
Re: The New Witch Among Us!!

My biggest problem with Sarah Palin is that she brings no good ideas or solutions to the table.  She brings sex appeal and snide remarks.  Watch her resignation speech.  What is she so pissed off about?  It's her choice to resign.  If she's reached so much zen with her decision, then why the animosity?

From day one, she has been about cheap shots, attacking, and wearing her own ignorance as a badge of honor.  We tried that already.  It was called George W. Bush.

by the mollusk 2009-07-07 07:21AM | 0 recs
If this was 1692....

Sarah Palin would be sitting in the front row, watching the witches burn in Salem.

Of course, she wouldn't be allowed on the all male committee that condemned the women, but given her type, she probably would have provided evidence on the witches to the tribunal.

This stalking horse for biblical male dominance seems to still fool the older feminist crowd for some reason. The younger women see through her like a pane of glass, but I guess the wounds run too deep for my generations feminists?

I still am astonished at the apologist for Palin among the disaffected Clinton supporters, and sorry to be so blunt, but that is THE ONLY group of women I see that still uniformily come to the defense of Palin.

And, Where oh Where is the acknowledgement that the obsession with Palin's looks begins with Palin?

I ask, as I always do, where were you so called liberal Palin defenders when they picked her, and NOT Olympia Snowe or Kay Bailey Hutchison, qualified Republican women who paid their dues, but alas, didn't have Palin's looks or sex appeal.

Just as the Bill Kristols and the Republican pundit crowd drooled over the Palin pick, THAT was sexism personified. Rich Lowry was at least honest, it was the sexual fantasy of having Palin that made her so appealing.

And, Palin has ALWAYS used her looks, at every stage of her career, be it beauty queen or Theocratic Presidential Wanna-bee.

Face facts.

Sarah Palin is a 50+ year old non-beauty queen from Alaska, that phone never rings from the McCain camp.  It's her looks that got her where she is today, and the fact that Clinton supporters who watched YEARS of SOS Clinton getting trashed for her looks don't see the irony here is still amazing to me.

Palin is the Anti-feminist icon, a throwback to the day when a woman had to wear the skirts and the high-heels JUST to be the administrative assistant to the fat-head male in the corner office.

by WashStateBlue 2009-07-07 07:43AM | 0 recs
John Cole summed it up hest...

...when he said:

If politicians start suing for erroneous claims and winning, Mr. Barack "birth certificate not a real american pals around with terrorists" Obama might just win the lottery, in the form of a hundred thousand double-wide trailers and semi-used pick-up trucks.

She's a public figure by choice.  She's quitting because she can't take the heat, and plays the lawyer card when scrutinized.  If that makes her s strong woman to you, then so be it.  More like GWB with female genitalia in the larger scheme of things.

by PD1769 2009-07-07 07:53AM | 0 recs
I don't agree

Sarah's problem wasn't her sex or her education, those might have been big pluses, but that she was George Bush, come back to us. They both make me cringe.  It was a cynical play  by the pugs thinking women will support any woman, even George Bush type women.  While jokes about her were certainly sexist, not all of them of course, that was her cover, to claim she was dismissed as a serious candidate only because of her class and sex.  Supporting her would be sexist, setting the bar lower to leave no fathead behind.  

by anna shane 2009-07-07 08:15AM | 0 recs
Classism reared its ugly head in this case.

Thanks for a thoughtful diary; you make several good points. Many in our party wail about the need to appreciate diversity; yet their limited concept of it only extends to race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.---the textbook components.

Governor Palin and her family live in a frontier region, and guess what, folks? The lifestyle there is sometimes different from what we in the lower 48 are accustomed to. In the course of the campaign, the Palins were ridiculed for,
--enjoying moose stew, and eating mooseburgers
--snowmobiling
--her college experience, at the University of Idaho

The reality, at the end of the day, is that this is a beautiful family, and that they are good hard-working people. Sarah Palin's father, Chuck Heath, was an elementary school teacher, and often campaigned with his daughter last fall. It was hard to miss his broad smile as he travelled with her, and his pride was evident.

Given the Governor's position on the political spectrum as a staunch conservative, there were policy differences galore on which liberals could have challenged her. The class stuff was just downright ugly....not to mention the garbage at Kos, which involved her special needs child.

As you suggest, at the end of the day, Palin may have just have had enough. When some third tier journalist pens an article entitled, "It came from Wassilla", things may have reached a tipping point for the Governor. She'll write a book, get tons of money for speaking engagements, maybe get a consulting job with a major energy company. And after making her first million, she'll probably wonder why---starting at her PTA years ago---she ever tried to get involved in the process, trying to make her government better.

by BJJ Fighter 2009-07-07 08:17AM | 0 recs
Nothing says working class

Like a lakeside mansion and your own private plane.  Truly Sarah is right out of The Grapes of Wrath.  Did you know that Steinbeck cut out the bit about Tom Joad's snowmobile racing sponsorship at the last minute?

Christ, every time you think conservatives have reached the pinnacle of whiny self-absorbed victimhood they just go out and top themselves.

by JJE 2009-07-07 08:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Nothing says working class

Christ, every time you think conservatives have reached the pinnacle of whiny self-absorbed victimhood they just go out and top themselves.

I'm on my knees in thanks to Linfar for writing this diary when it evokes responses like that.

by brit 2009-07-07 01:30PM | 0 recs
I'm sorry, ridiculued for WHAT?

Did I miss the massive amount of journalistic laughing and mocking of her snowmobiling and eating mooseburgers?

And which college experience, because they were five.

by DTOzone 2009-07-07 08:34AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm sorry, ridiculued for WHAT?

Yeah - I actually couldn't tell you the name of a single one of them, so I thank BBJ Fighter for that.

This is all really hilarious though.  It's all like "they made fun of her for eating moose and taking her kids to school and being a real mom and going to the University of Idaho!".  Ummm, no.  

by Jess81 2009-07-07 05:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Classism reared its ugly head in this case.

Hey, BJJ Fighter, you have nailed the classism so well. It's like the media class and the pundits and the political class just can't understand someone who is truly and seriously from yonder. Alaska is what America was 100 years ago. There is still a frontier mentality and I do think she cannot grasp picking on trig. That to her is evil.  

by linfar 2009-07-07 11:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Classism reared its ugly head in this case.

She's well past her first million.

by Jess81 2009-07-07 12:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Classism reared its ugly head in this case.

Hey BJJ. Interesting points, not sure I agree with any of them, but interesting nonetheless. But can you do me a favour.

I'm a Moose, and I find the mention of Mooseburgers and Moose Stew, quite offensive and borderline 'Moosist'

by brit 2009-07-07 01:26PM | 0 recs
Case in point

Lin-

watch the first few seconds of this vid on tpm tv.

http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2 899075&ref=fpblg

Interviewer- "People are confused why you're doing this".

Palin - "You know why they're confused?  I guess people today can't take something at face value."

-Take two-

Any other human being- "I can understand that.  This is an admittedly unusual decision.  But I believe it's the right one.  And I ask all of my supporters, and even my detractors, to trust my instincts on this one.  We'll accomplish much together."

But no, Sarah goes with "eat shit, you commie!"

by the mollusk 2009-07-07 09:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Case in point

I watched the video and I don't quite get your point. I am beginning to think she has been pushed a little bit too far. She looks to me  like a wounded animal who is snarling when it is cornered. I feel for her.

by linfar 2009-07-07 02:23PM | 0 recs
Re: The New Witch Among Us!!

This is insane. First things first, if you are going to bring sex appeal to politics, make damn sure you have something in your head to go along with it.  This is for both men and women.  If Palin was a male, she never would have made it unto the national stage because she would have had nothing going for her.  She physically balanced McCain's ticket.  I understand that most policy positions and talking points are made not completely by the candidate but by those around them in conjunction with the candidate.  So you better have a candidate (man or woman) that is willing to stick to agreed talking points and positions.  There is a reason politicians surround themselves with the smartest people they know.  It may very well be sexism but it didn't start on our side.  You really think the McCain camp thought her best attributes resided inside her head?  They picked her because she was an attractive female to contrast the fact that Obama was African American and Hilary lost.  When the other side picks up on that, whose fault is it?  Are we supposed to ignore faulty tactics because they involve the persons sex?  There are very real obstacles for women in politics but Palin only made it harder for us.    

by selfevident 2009-07-07 09:11AM | 0 recs
Try reading this article; educate yourself

It's one of many that details Gov. Palin's accomplishments, well before she was selected for the GOP ticket:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2 0601109&sid=a13e84JyS2B8&refer=h ome

Is there anything in Barack Obama's background--- in terms of real accomplishments for people---that comes remotely close to the kinds of accomplishments outlined in this article about Sarah Palin? He talks about leveling the playing field for average Americans, but talk is cheap.

So when you suggest that Palin "had nothing going for her", it's just because you're too lazy to go beyond CNN and MSNBC, to really research a candidate's background. Like so many, you just take what they spoonfeed you.

by BJJ Fighter 2009-07-07 09:17PM | 0 recs
Obama was a Chicago community organizer

which you seem to enjoy pissing on...I can make a great list of accomplishments he acheived in Chicago and in the US Senate, but what good what it do, you're just going to shit on them.

I am not impressed by Palin's so-called "accomplishments" sorry.

Real accomplishments for the people...puleeze

by DTOzone 2009-07-07 09:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama was a Chicago community organizer

The article speaks for itself; the accomplishments are not "so-called", they're real. The Governor's negotiations with the titans of American business---quickly bringing them to their knees---is more substantial than volunteer work in Chicago knocking on doors.

by BJJ Fighter 2009-07-07 09:46PM | 0 recs
Actually

it's one accomplisment, not accomplismentS, that consists of a negotiation wherein Palin held all the cards, for a project which has not yet broken grounds.

This must be the soft sexism of low expectations.

by JJE 2009-07-08 07:37AM | 0 recs
Absolutely true....

Anyone holding the advanatage Palin has closes that deal that way.

But, it surely gives the Palin fans fodder to make it seem like she is the second coming of Teddy Roosevelt.

Populist, my backside. Unless your idea of populism is the same old anti-government-dismantle the school system-eliminate reproductive choices to placate the RR base-tough talking militarisitic foriegn policy-fake libertairian economic voodoo Mitch McConnell and the rest of the Southern Republican party has been selling for years...

by WashStateBlue 2009-07-08 07:48AM | 0 recs
Re: I don't care if she cured cancer

Are you from PA?

by selfevident 2009-07-07 09:56PM | 0 recs
Re: I don't care if she cured cancer

Well, nrafter, maybe you just don't value freedom and truth as much as the rest of us do.

For you to suggest that Gov. Palin is a "vile, hateful, and ignorant bigot"...and that this somehow appeals to me? Well, put up or shut up: provide the links/articles that back this up.

Otherwise, you're just proving the case that many of us are making: that this good woman is being maligned unfairly by a bunch of blowhards, with charges that usually are false, and that have little basis in fact.

by BJJ Fighter 2009-07-07 09:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Are you saying she was telling the truth

Doesn't make her a bigot...and many in the country questioned Obama's association with Bill Ayres, well before Governor Palin mentioned it. Hillary Clinton brought up Ayres during the primary debates; does that make her "a vile, ignorant bigot"?

Get a grip, man.

by BJJ Fighter 2009-07-07 10:16PM | 0 recs
Re: No

I've never said or written that I support such a constitutional ammendment, and you're wrong to engage in lies like that. Again: provide proof when you make such allegations...otherwise, STFU.

by BJJ Fighter 2009-07-08 06:49AM | 0 recs
You voted for a constitutional amendment

to ban gay marriage, did you not?

by DTOzone 2009-07-08 07:08PM | 0 recs
Re: You voted for a constitutional amendment

First off--I don't live in CA, so no....I didn't vote for Prop 8, if that's what you're referring to. If I did live in California, I would have voted for it.

The current thread--arguing whether or not Gov. Palin supports such a constitutional ammendment--obviously is a discussion over whether the Federal Constitution should be ammended. I don't favor ammending the Federal Constitution for many things, and I certainly wouldn't ammend it to ban gay marriage. Very few issues in today's discourse merit tinkering with our Constitution.

Like President Obama, I believe this matter should be left up to the states.

by BJJ Fighter 2009-07-08 07:37PM | 0 recs
Few issues merit tinkering with our Constitution

but with the states'...go nuts.

Yeah, that makes complete sense.

by DTOzone 2009-07-08 08:06PM | 0 recs
You're creating your own reality.

"Hillary Clinton did not accuse Obama of palling with terrorists....."

Oh, really?

You've got a really disturbing tendency to create your own reality. As the saying goes, you're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. Here are the relevant comments, from a debate sponsored last Spring by ABC, in which Stephanopolous raised the issue:

http://www.zimbio.com/Barack+Obama/artic les/2051/Hillary+Clinton+Questions+Obama +Barack+Bill

Did she use the word "palling around"? No...but her comments were probably more damming, in that she reminds viewers that "people died" as a result of Mr. Ayres' activities.

Palin and Clinton both called out Obama on the Ayres connection. If you want to deny this, go ahead, have at it.

by BJJ Fighter 2009-07-08 06:59AM | 0 recs
Because she didn't use the world

"palling around," she did not subtly accuse Obama for being treasonous or anti-American...she accused him of being shady, corrupt, or, at worse, criminally negligant, which is not nearly the same as the crap Sarah Palin implied about him, that he, flat out, hated America.

That's because Hillary Clinton was more class and more maturaity in her earlobe than Palin has in her whole body.

by DTOzone 2009-07-08 08:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Because she didn't use the world

Wow....as I read your comment, I'm starting to wonder what the meaning of the word "is" is.

by BJJ Fighter 2009-07-08 09:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Because she didn't use the world

I'm back from my European vacation. I see you are still an asshole.

by QTG 2009-07-15 04:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Try reading this article; educate yourself

Woah now.  Don't call me lazy.  Now you are getting ahead of yourself.  I am talking about what she would bring to the ticket.  Do you really think that anything that she did before she was announced matter?  You really think that is what the mccain camp was looking for?  If so it is not me that you need to put the blame on.  Maybe you should go back to politics 101

by selfevident 2009-07-07 09:59PM | 0 recs
In the year of the crude oil shock,

with crude hitting $147/barrel, most would consider it a smart move to have an expert in oil/gas E&P on the ticket. Guess it's just politics 101.....

God only knows what Biden's appeal for a national ticket was supposed to be. Of course, I suspect that President Obama is asking himself that question right about now.

by BJJ Fighter 2009-07-07 10:13PM | 0 recs
I doubt it

since Obama won by 7 points I doubt he's regretting the Biden pick from a political perspective.

by JJE 2009-07-08 07:33AM | 0 recs
Well, but then you have to govern

At this point, Biden is to Obama as Ed McMahon was to Johnny Carson. Just an occasional point for comic relief.

When getting grilled about the Stimulus Plan a couple of weeks ago, Biden snarled at reporters that the Economy wasn't his strong suit, (hmmm, where have we heard that one before?) and that he was actually a foreign policy guy. And then you realize that his signature proposal in foreign affairs was some nation-building scheme to carve Iraq into three countries.

Did someone say "Dan Quayle"?

by BJJ Fighter 2009-07-08 07:48AM | 0 recs
Nobody's disputing

that Biden says dumb things.  But as a matter of campaigning, it worked out quite well and I doubt Obama is second-guessing it as you asserted.

It's kind of odd, though, considering Biden's working class bona fides are stronger than Palin's, that you, who are so senstive to alleged classism against Palin, are piling on Biden instead of defending him from these attacks.

by JJE 2009-07-08 07:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Nobody's disputing

Well, because nobody is attacking Biden for having working class roots. Actually, I doubt most people are even aware of his background or care....but bottom line, I don't think it's ever been an issue. I used to see him on the Metroliner between DC and Wilmington, and always admired his determination to balance family and work, and to be there for his kids.

Most criticism of Biden seems to relate to "the gaffe thing", and to his troubling tendency to occasionally make things up.

by BJJ Fighter 2009-07-08 08:15AM | 0 recs
It seems to me

that you and Linfar are able to conclude, based on very thin evidence, that criticisms of Palin are motivated by her non-existent working-class roots.  

Given that, it seems you should also be willing to extend the same defensiveness and knee-jerk invocation of class-identity politics to defending Joe Biden, who supports policies designed to aid the working class to a far greater extent than does Palin.

by JJE 2009-07-08 09:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Nobody's disputing

Hey, Biden provides the much needed bullshit fodder the 24hr newsies require and allows Obama to attend to the important things. Biden also has a magnetic personality which compliments Obama very well. Kind of a flip of the Clnton/Gore days and helluva lot better than tha previous eight years of Darth Vader as VP and having to call the dingleberry twitching on his ass Mr. President.

I loves me some Biden. Helluva a guy that makes me proud.

by JerryColorado23 2009-07-08 09:58AM | 0 recs
He's also a heartbeat away, which is chilling

I agree with you that Joe Biden is a nice guy. But I think we need to have a higher standard for someone who is just a heartbeat away from the Presidency. My hope is that President Obama will replace him in 2012 with an individual of real stature, who can add value to the Obama brand.

All in all, Biden is a well meaning old man. But having spent just about all of his adult life in government, he is exceedingly ignorant of finance, economics, and how the private sector works. At the end the day, a man of very ordinary capacity.

by BJJ Fighter 2009-07-08 07:49PM | 0 recs
This diary would be improved

if you would define what it is you think it is that makes Sarah Palin "working class," as specifically as possible.  You seem to think it's self-evident but to most of us it is not.  

by JJE 2009-07-07 12:16PM | 0 recs
Re: This diary would be improved
The operative definition is: anyone white with a regional accent.  Economic and social status seems to play no role whatsoever, otherwise Barack Obama
(mother on foodstamps, middleclass upbringing) would qualify.
by Jess81 2009-07-07 12:33PM | 0 recs
Re: This diary would be improved

Yeah, JJE, I see that now. I never dreamed people didn't understand that about her. Class is the way you talk, the way you walk, the way you think, the way you see the world. It is so much more than the clothes you wear or the salary you make. I wish I could put it into one good sentence for you, and I can't. All I know is she is the first genuine working class woman on the political scene and whether or not it is generally understood, this is contributing to her objectification.

by linfar 2009-07-07 02:27PM | 0 recs
Gonna have to disagree

Class is about what kind of job you do, whether you're the boss or the one getting bossed, whether you're making a profit or making wages.  Your class status is defined by your relationship to capital - whether you work for it or it works for you.

Those other things are cultural signifiers that are imperfectly mapped onto your class status, but they aren't class itself.  You can talk like Peter Jennings, listen to Bach at night, and discourse on Plato, but if you scrub floors or lay cement all day for a wage you're still working-class.

by JJE 2009-07-07 02:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Gonna have to disagree

ahem, as a working class person I reject this  reduction of classs to wage and salary. By that standard, Huey Long was among the elite. Ditto Richard  Nixon.

by linfar 2009-07-07 03:10PM | 0 recs
I'm not reducing it

to wage and salary.  That is part of it, but only part.  It also depends on job duties - professional, the amount of physical work required, white vs. blue collar, the amount and nature of education required, etc.  And of course the most fundamental distinction is between those who own capital and those who do not.  What you seem to have latched on to are ways of speaking and behaving that can be indicators of class but not the same as class.  That's why George W. Bush and Sarah Palin can adopt those signals despite the fact that they are privileged elites.

While you may come from a working class family or a working-class background, unless you are doing a working-class job you are not working-class.  Putting aside the fact that, as you note, Palin's father is a schoolteacher (arguably a professional job, not a working-class one) and no governor can be classified as belonging to the working class.  

by JJE 2009-07-07 06:51PM | 0 recs
Re: The New Witch Among Us!!

Mark Sanford gets ridiculed for his behavior, Dan Quayle for his smarts, Richard Nixon for his ethics, but Sarah Palin is the TOTAL package.  You don't have to pick and choose with her - she's got it all.  In light that I don't know how you can conclude that people are making fun of her because she's.... a woman.  

I'll give you this though, that if everybody makes fun of her, which most people are going to be inclined to do, it can be unseemly.  But that doesn't mean I feel sorry for her.  After the mini-lynch-mobs that she held at her campaign rallies last year no one should be surprised that she gets some in return.

by Jess81 2009-07-07 12:28PM | 0 recs
Well, let's throw Pelosi into the mix.......

Since you mention Nixon and Quayle, I got to thinking about Joe Biden...and then Nancy Pelosi. As to Gov. Palin, I think that on many key issues, she shows a depth of understanding, experience, and tangible accomplishments. But on those occasions when she obviously came up short, e.g., the Couric interview, the elite media fell all over themselves ruminating about her "ignorance".

It didn't get much play at the time, but about a year ago, Nancy Pelosi---then the highest ranking Democratic official in the country---gave an interview to ABC's "This Week". When asked why she and her husband had invested so heavily in Boone Pickens' new Clean Energy Corp., she explained that they both were committed to Natural Gas, as a way of getting this country "away from its reliance on fossil fuels":

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/08/24 pelosi-on-natural-gas-fossil-fuel-or-no t

Folks, is anyone else alarmed that the Speaker of the House is so incredibly ignorant on basic energy policy fundamentals? Worse yet---in view of the Speaker's cluelessness---should we believe that a hastily crafted Waxman-Markey Energy Bill actually represents sound policy?

And after Vice President Biden was tasked with overseeing implementation of the Stimulus Plan (at a hastily called "fiscal accountability" seminar), very few questioned Obama's choice of his VP for something so important. But four months later, as things seemed to be going South, Biden snarled at reporters that the economy isn't "his strong suit", and that he's really "a foreign policy guy!"

Sarah Palin isn't perfect, and probably isn't qualified at this point in her career to be President. But as one looks at people like Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden, she ain't the only one who's occasionally in over her head.

by BJJ Fighter 2009-07-07 07:42PM | 0 recs
Re: You had me until the second sentence

Try negotiating a major nat-gas pipeline with people like Jim Mulva, CEO of Conoco Phillips. It's a little different from being a community organizer.

by BJJ Fighter 2009-07-07 08:02PM | 0 recs
Not really

No...A deep understand...God, how delusional are you people if you think Palin has a deep understand of issues?

It's funny, I've seen the same people claim Obama has hypnotize people...Seems Palin did it too.

by DTOzone 2009-07-07 08:11PM | 0 recs
Facts are stubborn things......

It's clear from your comment that instead of researching issues and/or dealing in facts, you prefer to throw around phrases like "you people" and "delusional".

Here a link to a Bloomberg article on Sarah Palin from Mar. 2008, well before the Governor was selected for the GOP ticket:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2 0601109&sid=a13e84JyS2B8&refer=h ome

The article describes Palin's toughness in dealing with oil giants Exxon and Chevron. Instead of letting her state go bankrupt like Arnold in CA, she got concessions from these companies that translated into tax rebates for Alaskans.

Imagine if Gov. Schwarzeneggar aggressively tried to develop HIS state's resources, via offshore drilling royalties near places like Santa Barbara. Maybe he wouldn't be issuing "Monopoly Money" today, in the form of IOU's to pay for state services.

The broader take-away from Palin's accomplishments is that they show the importance of being tough as a negotiatior---a point which I hope won't be lost on President Obama. Sometimes, being nice, apologizing, and trying to please your adversaries isn't an especially effective strategy.

Sorry, DTO...facts are stubborn things.

by BJJ Fighter 2009-07-07 08:48PM | 0 recs
And sometimes it is

look at Obama's foreign policy, which has been excellent as so far.

by DTOzone 2009-07-07 09:22PM | 0 recs
Re: And sometimes it is

That depends on your vantage point....personally, I prefer strength over weakness. In Obama's first trip abroad to Europe, Gibbs mentioned two objectives prior to the trip:

---persuading EU members such as Germany to boost economic stimulus, and
---getting NATO members to provide more combat troops for Afghanistan

For the first, all he got was a lecture from Merkel on why fiscal stimulus was a bad idea, particularly for future generations. For the second, he got nothing.

0 for 2...that doesn't sound excellent to me.

by BJJ Fighter 2009-07-07 09:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Facts are stubborn things......

Boy howdy, quite an accomplishment.  How's that pipline she's so darned proud of coming along?

To many outside of Alaska, it may therefore come as a surprise to learn that not only does such a pipeline not exist, but--even as Alaska's deep winter darkness gives way to the first light of spring--the prospect that it will be built within Sarah Palin's lifetime grows dimmer by the day.

[snip]

And as former Governor Tony Knowles, a Democrat, told me over coffee one morning in Anchorage, "It's as if getting the gas pipeline built is only her second-highest priority. Her highest is making sure the oil companies don't build it."

You see, before she became the woman who John McCain said "knows more about energy than probably anyone else in the United States"--and long before she became the new darling of the newly disenfranchised far right--Sarah Palin had been a bare-knuckle backwoods populist who'd built a career out of puffing up dragons she could then slay. Her tactic was first to demonize, then to defeat. She'd ridden her luck for 10 years, from the Wasilla city council to the governorship. And when she became governor, in 2006, she found herself eyeball-to-eyeball with Alaska's most demonizable dragon of all--Big Oil.

How better to defang the industry that had ruled Alaska like a colonial master for 40 years than to make sure its major players would be no more than spectators at the state's next grand pageant, the building of a new pipeline that would carry natural gas from Alaska's North Slope to what Palin called the "hungry markets" of the Lower 48?

In her zeal, however, Palin overlooked one salient fact: It was Alaska's three largest oil producers--Exxon Mobil Corp., BP, and ConocoPhillips Co.--that controlled the natural gas the new pipeline would need if it were ever to pump anything more than hot air.

By writing the rules in a way that excluded the oil companies from the process, Palin--although she gained the short-term approval-rating points that made her seem attractive to McCain last summer--all but assured that the "largest private-sector infrastructure project in North America" would never be anything more than her personal field of dreams.

Mike Hawker, the Republican co-chairman of Alaska's House Finance Committee says The only thing standing in the way of an Alaska gas pipeline is the Sarah Palin administration.  Oh, and TransCanada (a foriegn owned company) gets a cool half billion from (drumroll) us!

You're right, that's quite an accomplishment.

http://www.portfolio.com/executives/feat ures/2009/03/17/Governor-Palins-Big-Ener gy-Battles

by fogiv 2009-07-07 10:00PM | 0 recs
Boy howdy, try to be a little more current

Sorry, bud...your article is a little outdated; didn't you see that it was dated 3/17/2009?

Wake up! Exxon (an American company, in case you didn't know) signed on to the pipeline project on Thursday, June 11th:

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis /Article.aspx?id=479475

You need to keep up with the news; there's a whole world outside the blogosphere.

by BJJ Fighter 2009-07-07 10:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Boy howdy, try to be a little more current

You don't have any idea how the permitting process for projects like these work, do you?  Exxon on signed to to partner with TransCanada (who pockets the 500 million).  Sorry bud, that's a fat giveaway.

Rep. Hawker (R) is quoted in the ADN politics blog (link below) as saying the whole announcement at noon today will be an "overblown media circus" and that Exxon will basically be hired as a subcontractor.

Speaking of "current", isn't Palin's resignation effective this month or next?  Will the pipeline be completed by then (if ever)?  

http://community.adn.com/adn/node/141725 ?pageNum=2&mi_pluck_action=page_nav# Comments_Container

Yeah, so a still unconstructed pipeline that can't get off the ground for at least several years (even in the best scenario, and even if it ever happens) that awards the bulk of the labor, operation, and maintenance to a foriegn company, and tryies to jump into bed with Exxon (who litigated their way out of responsibility for the the Valdez spill) is an accomplishment?

Alaskans, in general, are pissed.

by fogiv 2009-07-08 09:13AM | 0 recs
Wrong again, rafter

Maybe you should read relatively current articles instead of stuff that's four months old. Exxon Mobile signed on to the Palin Pipeline project on June 11:

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis /Article.aspx?id=479475

I guess we'd call that "Accomplishment SUCCEED"

by BJJ Fighter 2009-07-08 06:42AM | 0 recs
Er

it's easy to negotiate when you have the a much stronger hand, in this case the power to evict the oil companies from a state-owned oil field.  Not really an impressive accomplishment.

See also, Obama, GM and Chrysler, DIP financing.

by JJE 2009-07-08 07:26AM | 0 recs
Re: The New Witch Among Us!!

Well this diary brought me out of my post-election malaise. I've barely glanced at a political blog in 7 months, but this hunka, hunka burnin' love sparked a fire within me.

The language available for ridicule of a female may seem especially harsh in this case, or is it that we have had so few prominent women in national politics that the language seems harsher than it really is? We may have grown accustomed to referring to men as "Nazis" or as someone who will "rape" the land, the budget, the whatever. But when we utilize equally demeaning language on females, is it really unwarranted or a step too far?

Rewarding mediocrity is dangerous. Sure, everyone has the right to their ignorance. Everyone has a right to their delusions. Everyone has a right to their conceit. But at no point do they have a right to be rewarded for trying to make those traits comely. Those are some of the worst elements of the human equation and the public is right to react negatively to her.

To me, the greatness of Barack Obama and Bill Clinton is that they rose from modest beginnings by working harder than everyone else with focus and determination thus transcending expectations. They also seem to have genuine empathy for others. Palin shares none of these traits. She may rely on her working class bona fides, but she has done nothing to transcend them.

I suspect if she somehow manages to control her erratic behavior, starts to string together a couple of sentences that don't contain easily refutable blatant lies and gets some serious policy discussions under her belt, she will be a force.

by JerryColorado23 2009-07-07 02:27PM | 0 recs
wow.

a diary with over 100 comments!!! how long has that been??? for that i am reccing... but i am too tired now to dole out the mojo or HR of which there are many that are deserving.

now - as to the diary... i dunno - there is some merit to what you are saying about palin - namely that blatant sexism was thrown at her. one of the things that bugged me the most during the election is that groups like NOW et al really didn't act of behalf of palin (especially in the media) which in my mind sends a sinister message to women of different political persuasions than democrats....

that said - i have come to realize (embarrassingly only recently) that palin is deserving of scorn. her political record - on its own - is one of derision and hyper-partisanship. while i think there are attractive qualities about her as a politician, i also think that she also has terrible instincts since she got onto the republican ticket.

this whole thing with letterman was a perfect example... he was completely and utterly out-of-line, yet if she either kept quiet or gave a subtle response - MOST - people would have shared the outrage.  but no, no she had to take it 1000% too far which diminished how wrong the original slight was.

i suppose i am somewhat in agreement with you and somewhat not... opinion limbo is a weird sensation i must say.

by canadian gal 2009-07-07 06:29PM | 0 recs
Re: wow.

I know just how you feel.

by Jess81 2009-07-07 07:08PM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATED]The New Witch Among Us!!

What seems crazy to me.

Here is a person who ran for public office and
won. She has a mandate from the people, this mandate is for a certain period of time.

Then all of a sudden before the end of the mandate she declares that she will resign, and her resignation speech is such that days nobody really knows why she resigned. Apparently she no longer felt like going on like this and she doesn't exacly know what she'll be doing from now on.

When you have a mandate, it's a moral contract with the people you represent. If you resign, the least you owe them is a clear (and preferably truthful...) explanation, if not apologies to your constituents.

POLL : I used the personal pronoun 'she' in the above.
That makes my contribution

(1) sexist
(2) grammatically correct.

by french imp 2009-07-07 11:24PM | 0 recs
180 comments on a MyDD diary - that hasn't

happened in a while afaik.

Quite an accomplishment, Lin!

by chrisblask 2009-07-08 04:53AM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATED]The New Witch Among Us!!

I'm not a Palin fan, but completely agree with your post on her. NO WOMAN will be able to become President with the way the press tears them down.

by nikkid 2009-07-08 06:32AM | 0 recs
My favorite moment of the 2008 campaign...

Was the bet I had going with my GF's boss.

She is an Alpha Female Black Lawyer, boomer age, who I loved to argue politics.

Early, I asked who she was backing, and she said Hillary.

I replied I was going with Obama.

She said "White America will never put a black man in the White House.."

My answer was "I got 5 Bucks says you're wrong..."

I'm pretty sure her attitude was endemic in the black community.

So, I have to disagree with you in one regard.

Yes, probably, as the US electoral demographic is configured at the moment, I think a women would have difficulty getting elected President.

But, except for the strangest of karmic draws, I think Hillary Clinton would be President right now.

Maybe we will have to wait a couple of cycles, but in my daughters electoral lifetime, there will be a women POTUS.

by WashStateBlue 2009-07-08 07:29AM | 0 recs
199. n/t

by sricki 2009-07-08 11:05AM | 0 recs
200

by Kysen 2009-07-08 11:05AM | 0 recs

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