Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

This is a guest diary from the LA Committee to Protest Media Bias on the Westcoast.

THE WE'RE MAD AS HELL PROTEST AGAINST GE/MSNBC HEADS TO LA!!     JOIN US!!!!

There will be a protest this Friday morning at Rockefeller Center in New York against the anti Clinton bias and accepted sexism of much of the coverage and commentary that is aired by NBC and MSNBC.

This diary is meant to give a short history and background to how GE/NBC/MSNBC have worked against Democratic Party interests for over a decade and to announce that we will be presenting another protest/picket in Los Angeles and would like to recruit  people to be involved.

Let's review the basic data about the big political stars of NBC News--Tim Russert (Meet the Press), Brian Williams (Nightly News) and Chris Matthews (cable ranting). They're much more like a fraternal order than like something you'd call a "press corps.

The three were hired or anointed under the regime of conservative mogul Jack Welch; as chairman of General Electric, Welch was in charge of NBC News, and was heavily involved in its operation. Welch recruited the three, and made them multimillionaires; he even let Russert and Matthews live with him amid the swells of Nantucket. And oh yes: The three have been kicking the sh*t out of Dem White House hopefuls from that day right up to this.

As you may have noticed over the years, many liberal leaders, writers and pundits refuse to discuss these striking facts about GE/NBC/MSNBC's role in destroying Al Gore and a decade of trashing both Clintons.   Welch's role in this matter ought to be chastening. Democrats and voters around the Country ought to be told about these matters; it would help them form their ideas (and reservations and concerns) about the people who hand them their "news."

Your "press corps" is full of trivial people, and trivial people love trivia. They don't give a sh*t about how health care works. Hullo... they already have it!    Instead, they like to tell stories about people's character. There's an older word for this trait. They're gossips.

Clinton has been trashed by Chris Matthews in astonishing ways.  Russert and Williams are very bad--but Matthews is a true maniac. His gender disturbance has been on display for years. Few "liberal" have found the heart to complain--or even to notice what's happening. But then, our liberal leaders have long ignored Matthews' woman-trashing, going all the way back to the late 1990s. This is A-OK with our tribe. Absent the unusual person, our tribe doesn't even notice.

Hardball has long since entered full propaganda mode, trashing Clinton at every turn and begging its viewers to see the greatness of the alternate, Obama. Of course, this is precisely what he did in 1999, when he tried to keep Gore from the Dem nomination, before going on to trash him savagely all through the general campaign. You might be surprised to recall a fact: We've sat through this movie before.

But in his current crackpot displays, Matthews shows us what occurs when a middle-class democracy is run by a multimillionaire press corps.

Some say its dumb for tracking Chris Matthews and MSNBC so much, since he and it has a fairly small audience. But the viewing audience isn't the point; the point of Hardball  is the access it gives us to the mind-set of a large chunk of the insider press corps. Chris may (or may not) affect many voters, but he does affect insider journalists; on his show, you get to see their various narratives as they take their shape. It's the closest you'll come to being invited to those fatuous cocktail parties--the parties where this cohort's group dynamic produces the hopeless, gong-show narratives that drive our electoral process. Over the past dozen years, Chris has been exceptionally harmful to Big Major Dems, in large part because of the way he influences the younger journos who rank below him in the insider pecking order.

In this journalistic cohort, narratives filter down from the top; people like Matthews and Russert assert them, and the lower orders agree to repeat them. Chris lies at the very heart of a large chunk of the insider press corps. If no voters ever watched his show, it would still be must-see bad TV.

In the modern world, mainstream journalistic careers go through NBC. They go through Hardball--and of course, Meet the Press. When you see the endless liberal silence about the work of Russert/Williams/Matthews, does it never occur to you that you ought to be furious with the conduct--the morals--of your "leaders?"

Brian Williams is the guy who spent two weeks in the fall of 1999 complaining, crying and belly-aching about Gore's troubling polo shirts and what they said about the VP's "insincerity".  Williams also spent that summer and fall pandering to Bush, in ways which were comically awful. We also know he's the guy who staged that horrendous first Democratic debate this year; And then when we recall the way he worked with Russert in the two debate muggings of Candidate Clinton-- events unlike any other debates in American history. (No, this doesn't always happen. Nothing like it ever happened before.) Sorry, but when Howard Kurtz reports that Williams is Bush's favorite anchor, we're not especially surprised.

Have there ever been debates like these before? A debate where the moderators so plainly intended to spend the evening trashing the character of one of the candidates?  Challenged for his treatment of Hillary in the debates, Russert expressed this Great Escape media dodge ... "You get it from the left and the right," he said, "and I think that kind of confirms you're doing a pretty good job." It's truly a measure of our times--that a journalist paid $ millions per year can respond to this in so empty a way, in a manner that shows so little attempt at anything like real reflection.  But lets look at....Russert's prior conduct toward Clinton:

During Campaign 2000, Russert took a great deal of criticism for his inappropriate conduct in a debate--again toward Hillary Clinton!

What was said in September 2000 about Russerts hosting of her NY Senate debate?
 In the Daily News, columnist Mark Sommer said that Russert had taken "an astonishingly cheap shot" against Clinton.
In the Washington Post, Richard Cohen said this of Russert's behavior: "Not since the old Saturday night fights has TV seen such a low blow."
In an unsigned editorial, the Columbia Journalism Review said this: "Russert pitched a question to Hillary Clinton that was breath-takingly out of bounds."
 Indeed, Cohen went further with his complaints, writing this: "Hillary Clinton's chief problem, her own strategists will tell you, is her inability to tell New Yorkers why she is running. After her debate with Rick Lazio last week she should no longer have that predicament. She's running to get away from Tim Russert and all he represents." Yikes!
Sommer noted that Russert's sex-obsessed questions "certainly wasn't out of character" for the Buffalo blather king. "After all, during the media's coverage of the Lewinsky scandal ...'Meet the Press' continually wallowed in the sex scandal.
In a black mark for network news programming, Russert's show was the first to heap respectability upon notorious Internet smut sleuth Matt Drudge by having him on as a guest."

Over the course of the past fifteen years, your interests have been shipped down the river  as the plutocrat press corps' major fixers have trashed a succession of Major Dems.

DIGBY'S TAKE:  Democrats have to learn how to explain these matters to average voters. In our view, here's the simplest form of the story:

WHAT HAPPENS: Quite often, they hand you novels about the candidates in place of real journalism. Over the course of the past twenty years, these novels have strongly tended to disparage the character of Major Dems.

Gore is the obvious example. Today, he holds the Nobel Peace Prize. Eight years ago, they invented tales about him for two years-while hyping the now-discredited Bush. This is a simple, and important, story. Liberals have refused to tell it.

By the way: The mainstream press corps did this to Gore, now they are doing it to Hillary. Why do high profile liberals stay quiet and away from this tale?  It's funny--odd---coincidental--when those same leaders often turn up as guests on MSNBC itself...

To their credit, conservatives fought back against the press corps, starting in the 1960s.

We are babies in this fight.  Outside of Media Matters, the Daily Howler, Digby and a very few others, there are few brave enough to speak out in public for the outrage that many millions of Democrats around the Country feel about the hijacking of our Party's dialog once again by the bad actors of GE/NBC/MSNBC.  

BUT, so far because of efforts by Democrats who just refuse to take it anymore...:

1) Chris Matthews was forced to apologize: In January, one of NBC's biggest political players was forced to apologize for insulting comments--about Hillary Clinton!

2) David Shuster was forced to apologize, then suspended: A few weeks later, one of NBC's political reporters was forced to apologize, then was suspended, for insulting comments--about Hillary Clinton!

But the patterns of bad behavior of GE/Universal/NBC/MSNBC News departments persist.

The protest that will be taking place this Friday morning outside of the windows of NBC's Today program will be taken to other cities and other NBC offices and affiliates.

We are looking for people to join us in these efforts.

Next we will be putting together a protest outside of NBC/Universal in Los Angeles.  We would like to also present another picket and protest in Washington DC and one outside the HQ of MSNBC partner Microsoft in Seattle, Wa.  

If you live in any of those three cities please write us at msnbcpushback@gmail.com. 

If you live in a city that has a NBC affiliate and would like to take the protest there too, also be sure to write.

These are some materials that Murray over at the NYC protest sent to us.  

1. MAIN PROMO HOMEPAGE for PROTEST
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/april 11

2. PROMO IMAGE for PROTEST
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/image s/april11.jpg

3. PROMO IMAGE HANDOUT for PROTEST
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/image s/april11.pdf

4. PROMO DOCUMENT HANDOUT for PROTEST
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/april 11handout.pdf

5. PROMO AD for PROTEST (VIDEO)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceym55Xlm zg

6. HATE SPEECH AGAINST HILLARY CLINTON (VIDEO)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2 iM

7. HILLARY CLINTON ONLINE NETWORK
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/prohi llary

8. HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTERS FORUM
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discu ssion

Tags: Digby, Hillary Clinton, Media Bias, protest (all tags)

Comments

139 Comments

What if you threw a Pity Party...
...and nobody came?
by jwolf 2008-04-09 09:21AM | 0 recs
Re: What if you threw a Pity Party...

So a Question? If the bias was toward an AA or Hispanic or AI would you still call it a pity party?

Yes? No? and what why would it be any different?

by J Rae 2008-04-09 09:40AM | 0 recs
Re: What if you threw a Pity Party...

of course he wouldn't.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-09 10:13AM | 0 recs
Re: What if you threw a Pity Party...

on the other hand...  if the protest is in response to anti-Democratic treatment by MSNBC et al, why is it considered a "Hillary protest"...?

Did I miss the memo whereby she is the only Democrat?

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-09 11:52AM | 0 recs
Re: What if you threw a Pity Party...

Well, please. Do you go to the website?  It's clearly not advocating anything on Obama's behalf.

by mikeinsf 2008-04-09 12:15PM | 0 recs
Re: What if you threw a Pity Party...

I saw the links, but I will admit, I didn't find them...

I'm just saying that the anti-Dem bias has been present for years...  for this to not be a total Democratic thing seems limiting.

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-09 12:25PM | 0 recs
Re: What if you threw a Pity Party...

Yeah... I agree.  I just think that if this was really about anti-Dem bias and not just bias against a favored candidate, the website would better reflect that. I view it more as an extraordinary protest against Hillary losing.... an unacceptance that she's losing by the rules she agreed to by an opponent that just might be better.

by mikeinsf 2008-04-09 01:02PM | 0 recs
Re: What if you threw a Pity Party...

that is certainly how the media will look at it... instead of looking at it like they should...

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-09 01:17PM | 0 recs
Re: What if you threw a Pity Party...

So organize one yourself instead of out of hand critisizing what's being done.

by Soitgoes 2008-04-09 02:25PM | 0 recs
Re: What if you threw a Pity Party...

Best of luck.

by bookish 2008-04-09 05:39PM | 0 recs
Re: What if you threw a Pity Party...

What if... Obama said,

"For those of you who are just weary of the primary, and feeling kind of ground down or that it's like the Holocaust, I just want everybody to know that the future is bright."

instead of what Obama did say:

"For those of you who are just weary of the primary, and feeling kind of ground down or that it's like a Bataan death march, I just want everybody to know that the future is bright."

--Sen. Barack Obama -- NYC, NY 3.27.08

Today is the Anniversary of Bataan Death March which was a War Crime vs. Senator Obama's race to win nomination.

by Vote4Hillary 2008-04-09 08:56PM | 0 recs
Re: What if you threw a Pity Party...
Yes indeed. Some of his views are truly distorted.
 
by NJ Liberal 2008-04-09 09:44PM | 0 recs
Re: What if you threw a Pity Party...

Media bias is problem for everyone and especially for democrats who received scathing press during the 90's while this administration has got coverage that couldn't even qualify as a slap on the wrist.

Oh yeah and sexism is bad. Not to mentioned biased news coverage

by world dictator 2008-04-09 09:42AM | 0 recs
Re: What if you threw a Pity Party...

hey world, what you said :)

by linfar 2008-04-09 09:54AM | 0 recs
What if you didn't have your
blinders on and were so quick with your narrow tongue? What if? What if?
by linc 2008-04-09 09:55AM | 0 recs
If Obama gets the nomination
and the begin to trash him as they will, don't whine to the rest of us.
But your inability to mind the behavior of these men because it helps your candidate says a lot about you and Obama both...because he is the same way.  In fact he has counted on and courted this bias for months.
by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-09 10:12AM | 0 recs
Re: If Obama gets the nomination

I throw up in my mouth a little every time I see our sig line. At least it alerts me not to attempt to translate whatever it is you're trying to say.

by bookish 2008-04-09 12:36PM | 0 recs
Re: If Obama gets the nomination

Oh, come on, soshitgoes - no hide rating? Surely a zero would show me how much you mean it.

by bookish 2008-04-09 03:22PM | 0 recs
TR'd for the "shit." Knock it off!

by Rumarhazzit 2008-04-09 03:45PM | 0 recs
Re: TR'd for the "shit." Knock it off!

I'd TR myself, if possible. But with soitgoes engaging in TR abuse every single day, it's totally worth it to get that off my chest. I'll knock it off when the administrators start showing some administrative capacity.

by bookish 2008-04-09 04:01PM | 0 recs
For what it's worth, I do understand. I have

seen so much abusive TRing coming from some of my fellow Hillary supporters that it has taken away the "power of the 1." It's almost meaningless at this point.

by Rumarhazzit 2008-04-09 08:18PM | 0 recs
Re: For what it's worth, I do understand. I have

Agreed.

by bookish 2008-04-10 03:25AM | 0 recs
3 Weeks ago it was Obama was their target

And Clinton supporters LOVED IT!

Not so much fun when the shoe is on the other foot is it?

Also Rans like Hillary just don't get the same kind of coverage as the Front Runner does.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-04-09 08:11PM | 0 recs
3 Weeks ago it was Obama was their target

And Clinton supporters LOVED IT!

Not so much fun when the shoe is on the other foot is it?

Also Rans like Hillary just don't get the same kind of coverage as the Front Runner does.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-04-09 08:12PM | 0 recs
Re: What if you threw a Pity Party...

I assume you are an Obama supporter.

I have noticed a shocking lack of concern about media bias from the Obama camp. In a few months, let's see if the shoe is on the other foot.

by bluestatedude 2008-04-09 10:18AM | 0 recs
Re: What if you threw a Pity Party...

Yeah... probably not a lot of concern about bias for the nine months that Hillary's candidacy was "inevitable", but, hey, I think this little yell on the street corner will make for a sweet spectacle.

by mikeinsf 2008-04-09 10:37AM | 0 recs
Obama will be fine

The networks will all want a piece of the big Obama war chest.

Obama is going to be in a position to make ad buys of at least 30 to 40 million dollars on each of the major networks. People seem to wise up a bunch when they realize that they might be biting the hand that feeds them.

by johnnyappleseed 2008-04-09 01:23PM | 0 recs
Right.

Because if Sen Clinton were teh DEmocratic candidate, she wouldn't buy any ads at all.  Sen Obama is the only politician who advertizes on TV.

Sheesh.

by Quicklund 2008-04-09 05:21PM | 0 recs
Re: What if you threw a Pity Party...

Suppose you kindly -

Go Fly Yonder!

by johnnygunn 2008-04-09 02:09PM | 0 recs
Re: What if you threw a Pity Party...

What if your candidate somehow won the nomination, and Clinton supporters stayed home?

by cc 2008-04-09 05:14PM | 0 recs
Re: What if you threw a Pity Party...

If you liked Bush you'll LOVE McCain, and if you stay home than you deserve him too.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-04-09 08:15PM | 0 recs
Re: What if you threw a Pity Party...

Should we all show up to the protest dressed as sour grapes?

P.S.- Math.

by nocore 2008-04-09 06:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

Why even bother commenting? Media bias has hit Hillary hard, but Obama will be on the receiving end if he becomes the nominee. Wake up and smell the coffee, huh?

by linfar 2008-04-09 09:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

LOL - Oh, it's occurred plenty to Obama supporters that he may not win. Why else demand she step down? If Rezko is convicted for bribery, Obama and his $625k strip of land, are gonna look a lot less presidential and a lot more thugidential.

I'll be there. It's right down the street.

by Little Otter 2008-04-09 09:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

great otter. Be sure to write the email addy, Ok ?

by linfar 2008-04-09 09:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

That sounds creepy.  And do you know anything about the Rezco trial because it has nothing to do with Obama's house.

by mefck 2008-04-09 09:42AM | 0 recs
Why bother commenting?

Oh, it's strictly for amusement.

Hey, I just noticed the graphics for your event mention "voter suppression", which isn't mentioned in the article you pasted in.

Is Tweety suppressing votes, or is there another, uh, "target" that you aren't mentioning? Oh, wait, there is....lets jump to the screaming large fonts:

We demand Florida & Michigan votes COUNT as cast!

We demand an END to Rigging of the Democratic Primary!

It's patently dishonest to sell this event as simply a "Media Bias" event when it obviously is going to be used against Obama.

Count Florida and Michigan AS CAST? Who the hell are you kidding?

by jwolf 2008-04-09 10:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Why bother commenting?

thanks for making it very clear what you think.  Don't count the votes and sexism and unfair targeting in the media is fine as long as it helps your candidate.
Fucking pathetic.

Your claim that the elections in FL and Mi were not fair because Obama didn't campaign or because people  were told their vote wouldn't count is simply ridiculous and worse it is immoral.
Obama is the one blocking the revote. Hows that cognitive dissonance doing?  
Obama wants votes he didn't even get.  Baring that he is willing to make sure no one gets to vote again. He's a scumbag.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-09 10:23AM | 0 recs
Angry Psychos for Hillary!
Good grief...you really sound like you need some help. All that misplaced anger. "Obama is a scumbag"? "Michigan is not going to count for anything". Hillary Clinton My, my what a ridiculously immoral thing for your gal to say. Words...they mean stuff.
by jwolf 2008-04-09 11:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Angry Psychos for Hillary!

Troll rated for "angry psychos"

by LadyEagle 2008-04-09 01:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Why bother commenting?

"He's a scumbag"

I really hope that she wins so that people like you can carry the torch for the democratic party.

by Newcomer 2008-04-09 11:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Why bother commenting?

Speaking of pathetic...  how about wrapping up  protest that needs to occur... i.e. sexism in the media... a conversation we should be having... and throwing in a bunch of other issues that serve a more narrow purpose.

That's beautiful...  you could get a million people to show up for the lofty purpose of protesting sexism in the media and the media themselves will report it as something else.

Yet again, stripping a good argument of almost all meaning.

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-09 11:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Why bother commenting?
why so angry? (Your signature is also offensive.)

I think protesting the lousy media is a fine idea, but y'all are just too late "for your cause" (Hillary).

I've been complaining about the media for YEARS. Sure the media sucked during the campaign. They even made sexist and racist comments...

But I didn't vote against Hillary (especially not because of her gender). First, I voted FOR Obama. Secondly, I voted AGAINST the DLC because the DLC is the equivalent of the corrupt Republicans on K-street that we are trying to purge. I'm dissapointed that Hillary took sides with the DLC, and creepy Mark Penn.

Hillary should have fired Mark Penn a LONG time ago, and I mean fired for real - not just symbolically. Penn has run a terrible campaign and he's cost Hillary a LOT of money for taking her from big-time front-runner and inevitable candidate to a disappointing 2nd-place finish...

by power of truth 2008-04-09 12:55PM | 0 recs
Hillary suporters don't believe that you could...

vote FOR Obama. By and large, they just don't believe it. They believe that Hillary is so far superior to Obama that any vote for him is driven by sexism or misogyny. It is one of the reasons they are so angry.

by johnnyappleseed 2008-04-09 01:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Why bother commenting?

You seem very angry. I hope you find peace.

by johnnyappleseed 2008-04-09 12:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Why bother commenting?

If I had to guess, I'd say the anger comes from the active attempt to block Democracy (just in Clinton states, though) by the Obama camp.

At least, I know that's why I'm angry.

by hornplayer 2008-04-09 08:05PM | 0 recs
Hide rated for calling the democratic

frontrunner a scumbag.  If you are a Democrat, act like it or be treated like a republican.

by GFORD 2008-04-10 06:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Why bother commenting?

The LA event is not the NY event. Will not be identical.

by linfar 2008-04-09 10:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Why bother commenting?

it's always ALL about Obama. How narcistic can that campaign and its supporters get????

by swissffun 2008-04-09 01:07PM | 0 recs
I have a suggestion for you

Forget the protest. Work on Friday, take the money that you make and buy some GE stock. Then bombard their board of directors with your concern as stockholders.

The GE board includes prime targets for potential boycotts including the CEO of consumer good titan Proctor and Gamble, the CEO of Avon, and the CEO of ConocoPhillips. IF you really want to get their attention, stop buying their products and tell them about it.

A protest of a couple hundred people is to GE, what a fly is to Godzilla. Any kind of serious reform will only happen after a coordinated long term effort. Also your protest is dueling with the protests revolving around the Olympic torch. You will receive little or no earned media coverage.

by johnnyappleseed 2008-04-09 12:56PM | 0 recs
Daily Howler Bob Somerby

should be an honored guest. Good on yah, great idea for a protest!

by fairleft 2008-04-09 09:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Daily Howler Bob Somerby

 I like howler too :) pass the info along, ok?

by linfar 2008-04-09 09:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

Mydd is becoming more and more like the movie PCU every day.

by mefck 2008-04-09 09:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

Except less funny.

by fogiv 2008-04-09 10:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

Another day at MyDD and another completely unwarranted TR.  Way to go Catfish!

by fogiv 2008-04-09 01:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

Is this an open protest concerning the free ride given to McCain over Clinton and Obama or Clinton specific?

by nogo war 2008-04-09 09:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

So far Clinton specific, but I think anytime we protest the lousy media coverage accorded democrats [other than our pop star] in general,  it is worth it. Since even the media conscurs media coverage of Hillary has been abyssmal, she is focus.

by linfar 2008-04-09 09:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

Given media bias has cost us the past two Presidential races, or at least assisted in that, I don't understand the narrow focus.

Certainly this is an issue that Democrats as a whole should be concerned about... especially headed into a general election versus John (favorite son) McCain.  But to bill it as Hillary specific...?  I think you are missing an opportunity here.

This is one issue we should actually be united on as it affects all of us.

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-09 12:02PM | 0 recs
Again, organize your own if you don't like what

you see happening instead of just complaining. Do it if you care so much.

by Soitgoes 2008-04-09 02:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Again, organize your own if you don't like wha

I'm not complaining... as I am no where near NY or CA, I cannot attend either one regardless.

But, my point was, if you truly care about media bias as it affects Democratic candidates, why limit it by being Hillary specific?  Certainly you do not believe she is the only Democratic candidate ever to suffer bias at the hands of the media...?  Or do you?

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-09 05:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Again, organize your own if you don't like wha

No, of course not. But I'm not the one complaining about what this action is or isn't doing. If you want to see a certain kind of action take place, the best thing to do is organize one yourself.

by Soitgoes 2008-04-09 08:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Again, organize your own if you don't like wha

She's calling out the hypocrisy. Take the loyalty blinders off!

by zep93 2008-04-10 06:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Again, organize your own if you don't like wha

Right back at ya.

by Soitgoes 2008-04-10 11:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Again, organize your own if you don't like wha

Boy you sure got me.

by zep93 2008-04-10 12:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Again, organize your own if you don't like wha

Huh. Is it possible for your comebacks to get any more intelligent? Why are you hounding me? What was it I said that was so offensive to your sensibilities? Or do you just itch to fight? Anyway, I want to be done with you. Tra-la.

by Soitgoes 2008-04-10 07:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Again, organize your own if you don't like wha

You are correct, I am a very unintelligent sap. It's amazing that I can get myself dressed to peddle on the streets each afternoon. Toodles.

by zep93 2008-04-11 06:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Again, organize your own if you don't like wha

Good luck with it.

by bookish 2008-04-09 05:38PM | 0 recs
Don't be surprised if the media....

doesn't cover it. The media hates criticism even though they deserve it. Plus, the media only covers what they want to.

Last Sept. I protested in D.C. against the Iraq war. The crowd was massive. The protest was barely mentioned on the news. Also, the media gave equal coverage to the pro-war protesters; their numbers - approx 1,000...anti-war protesters approx 100,000.

by soyousay 2008-04-09 09:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Don't be surprised if the media....

The committee organizing this on Westcoast is fairly media savy so I am hopeful. Turnout is a lot of it. See you there

by linfar 2008-04-09 09:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

Matthews teased the segment with McCaskill by asking, "[C]an Obama woo more regular voters -- you know, the ones who actually do know how to bowl?" As Media Matters for America noted, on the March 31 edition of Hardball, Matthews said of Obama: "[T]his gets very ethnic, but the fact that he's good at basketball doesn't surprise anybody, but the fact that he's that terrible at bowling does make you wonder."
Then this
MATTHEWS: OK. Let me ask you about how he -- how's he connect with regular people? Does he? Or does he only appeal to people who come from the African-American community and from the people who have college or advanced degrees?

Both sides can go on and on...It's McCain that gets the ride just as Bush did.
Good Luck...

by nogo war 2008-04-09 09:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

I see your point. Mathews gets a thrill on his leg one day and goes nutz the next. McCain will get a free ride, no doubt. That could be your sign :)

by linfar 2008-04-09 09:57AM | 0 recs
oh ome on
there is no equity here.  The media, in particular MSNBC has been drooling over Obama for months.  He has been the beneficiary of their attacks on Hillary and they haven't given McCain nearly the amount of good press.
They have specifically and pointedly gone after Hillary and if you can not admit that, please do now whine about the treatment gets in the fall should he be the nominee.
by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-09 10:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

Being able to get a good media coverage is an important quality if you want to win the General Election.

It's part of the game, another reason why HRC should have fired Penn and Wolfson 15 months ago. It's not good if your team is described by some journalists as kneecappers. If they are doing that you should check what you have done wrong and not blame someone else.

by hebi 2008-04-09 10:01AM | 0 recs
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Being able to get good media coverage is about being a Republican or conservative in my opinion. The fawning going on right now for Obama will evaporate the minute he gets the nomination.

I think you are misintepreting the reason for the media bias. Al Gore, John Kerry, Bill Clinton, and Mike Dukakis all got treated this way. The Democratic congress has been treated in this unfair way as well. This is an institutional bias based on corporate and conservative control of media content.

by bluestatedude 2008-04-09 10:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

Me thinks, we'll see pretty soon !!!

by hebi 2008-04-09 11:13AM | 0 recs
nonsense

take the blinders off.  They have gone after her since 1992 and she has survived it.  You should be celebrating that, instead you use it to make specious talking points about your candidate's ability to get good media.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-09 10:36AM | 0 recs
Re: nonsense

Really strong leaders are able to look at their own performance, see what they do wrong, admit mistakes and adept. You can change who you are and what you do, in a democracy it's impossible to force a change in the behaviour of other people especially the media, so it's absolutelly futile to continue griping about "bad press".

I see BHO making mistakes and adepting every day in his campaign. He'll be great during the GE. Really looking forward to him working with the media and winning big.

by hebi 2008-04-09 11:21AM | 0 recs
Re: "Futile To...Gripe About Bad Press"

No, it's not.  You're entirely correct...you can't change press behavior.  But you can damn sure throw a blanket of doubt over what they report.

Too many Americans rely solely on the traditional media for all their political news. They need to know that the trad media is not to be trusted...that there is no substitute for studying the candidates' positions and then using your own brain to choose one.

Good luck with the protest, LA.  Thank you!

by creeper1014 2008-04-09 12:46PM | 0 recs
Re: "Futile To...Gripe About Bad Press"
That's not what I said. I said you can't force the media to change, but by campaigning different BHO has proven that you can influence media behaviour in a positive way.
That's the way to go if you want to become POTUS and not use Repub style tactics.
by hebi 2008-04-09 10:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

So let's get this straight... you cite right wing news sources and anti-Muslim blogs like Creeping Sharia in your diaries, and now you are encouraging a protest of the "mainstream media" for their bias.  Awesome?

Just so we're on the same page here... is Creeping Sharia the model that you want the mainstream media to follow?

by thatpurplestuff 2008-04-09 10:07AM | 0 recs
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I know you want to drop a pickle into the oil all the time, tps, but as a former
AP news reporter who understands checking facts--unlike I suspect yourself--the horrendous media bias which this protest will bring attention to is why right wing sites and sources are becoming more mainstream. The old idea that you didn't accept certain sources  doesn't apply anymore. And just so you know, I worked for the AP when Sy Hirsch's story on MyLai was considered disreputable, a bad source, and they didn't run it. the excuse they gave was it was too long.  Look at Hillary on Joe Scarborough this morning. That guy was actually fair. It is all up for grabs these days. Of course, Mathews gets a thrill when your guy gives a speech so why should you care,right? Did you ever hear that expression [paraphrased here] about when they came for the communists, I didn't protest, and when they came for the jews I didn't protest, and when they came for the homosexuals I didn't protest and then, when they came for me, there was no one left to protest.
by linfar 2008-04-09 10:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

Ironically, I'm referencing the site that YOU sourced that spends all of its time attacking Muslims.  Don't give me some guilt trip about "first they came for the Jews," because YOU'RE promoting a site whose sole purpose is to attack Muslims.

You are the one that used disgusting sites to perform a hatchet job on a fellow Democrat.  If my reminding you that sites like Creeping Sharia shouldn't be used as a source by any rational human being is considered "dropping a pickle in the oil" then so be it.  That site was disgusting and you might as well have been sourcing stormfront or some other neo-Nazi site to express your hatred.

I'm all for holding the media accountable, but from someone who thinks that Creeping Sharia, Investigative Project, and WorldNetDaily are legitimate sources of unbiased information.... all I can say is spare me the faux outrage.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-04-09 10:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

I think you should take your tag line to heart. It seems as if all you really want to do is screech, exaggerate and bully. As best I can recollec-- because all my diaries have been  deleted--I quoted from  one source, WorldNetDaily in one article in all the time I have been on mydd. And that was after the LA times published the same material. Please repeat this sentence 3 x. That is it, tps, so take your slander and exaggerations elsewhere. You are in my opinion, seriously close to crossing the line--for lying.

by linfar 2008-04-09 10:36AM | 0 recs
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Here's a cut and paste from someone who found your diary and said that the "Republicans will love this one."  They've got the links from your "[Updated 2x] Wright, Hamas, Obama" diary that was subsequently deleted.

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:HwW 0bWl-d3IJ:www.democraticunderground.com/ discuss/duboard.php%3Faz%3Dview_all%26ad dress%3D334x9417+%22wright,+hamas,+obama %22+mydd&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7& amp;gl=us&client=firefox-a

In it, you cite WorldNetDaily, Creeping Sharia, InvestigativeProject.org, and Camera.org.  Are you honestly going to pretend that you didn't cite those sites and then try to call me a liar in the same breath?  You are either lying or misremembering.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-04-09 10:46AM | 0 recs
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If you would follow your own link you would see that other s posted stuff that had nothing to do with me or my article on mydd. I used on source, the one in the LA Times. Is this a deliberate smear on your part. Because this is what people hate about the Obamacampaign.They use smears and exaggerations. You are distorting what happened. And this is all you get. I won't answer you again. Even if you next escalation says I personally killed Micky Mouse and then quoted him in a diary.

by linfar 2008-04-09 11:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

It is a direct cut and paste of the first few paragraphs of your actual diary.  You're just attempting to be deliberately obtuse to cover up your tracks now (hopefully because you're ashamed of yourself for citing that garbage).

I must have been lying and having a conversation with the invisible man in your actual diary (since you got banned for inflammatory rhetoric, your side of the conversation and the diary itself is absent):

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/3/20/1 42052/602/31#31

And I also must have been lying when I wrote a diary about users being cited by right wing blogs, and using right wing sources in their own blogs:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/31/1621 6/2610

Anyway, this is pretty fruitless since you're just going to keep pretending that you don't know what I'm talking about.  You've got to live with yourself though, and we both know the truth.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-04-09 11:12AM | 0 recs
Busted...
Wow! Sorry LF, you are BUSTED! Shameful...

None of that belongs on a DEMOCRATIC site. I realize that some people here support Hillary and not the Democratic party, but we all need to respect that this site is for electing Democrats.

by power of truth 2008-04-09 01:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

Game, set, match.

by Koan 2008-04-09 02:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

Great research on your part. Crickets from the other side.

by zep93 2008-04-10 06:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

Okay, ...  I will just have to point out that no one owns a patent on using exaggerations and smears this primary season.

It has been done by both sides repeatedly.

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-09 12:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

Linfar. Since you were an AP reporter you should have known the sources. I read those diaries to and was very disturbed by the cut and paste.

Journalists are supposed to be objective and fact based. I think here you're being more op-ed and polemical. Which is fine, as long as you 'own' it.

As an outside observer, BTW, I think there is quite a bit of misogynism out there from the MSM (as well as other 'isms'), but I must say it speaks volumes about Hillary (and perhaps Bill's) media operation that the press and TV has also been absolutely fawning over her on some occasions. How many times has she been the 'comeback kid'. How long did it take the media to realise that actually, duh, SHE LOST TEXAS.

There's a lot of scurrilous nonsense in a lot of the press, but I think a large segment has been scared of the Clinton's for some while. There's a backlash now, to be sure, and it's probably unfair.

But you can't tell me

a) Hillary knows the machine she's a fighter

AND

b) Hillary is complete victim

It just doesn't add up. Sorry.

by brit 2008-04-09 01:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

HA! AP and fact checking.

If I had a dollar for every story the AP fucked up that I was a stringer on, I could by ocean-front property in Dubai.

by pinche tejano 2008-04-09 10:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

this was some time ago when the AP was, like all the media outlets, a more responsible organization. Commenting isn't very much fun if its all about hurling accusations and defending same. If that is your goal, it is succeeding. And if you want to go high-five somebody over that, so be it. But you do not help your candidate when you do it. It just makes Hillary voters in in there heels. I don't even think you bothered to read the diary.

by linfar 2008-04-09 10:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

Ha, I'm a socialist from Texas, voting Brian Moore.

Great angle on trying to concern me with a candidate I am not even supporting. How did that work out for you?

by pinche tejano 2008-04-09 10:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

WooHOOOO!

by LindaSFNM 2008-04-09 10:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

GIVE 'EM HILL!!!

by Nobama 2008-04-09 10:30AM | 0 recs
Please please please film this

... and post it!

by mikeinsf 2008-04-09 10:32AM | 0 recs
Please please please film this

... and post it!

by mikeinsf 2008-04-09 10:32AM | 0 recs
Protest Sexism against US Service women

I know this isn't as important as "sexist" media bias against Hillary but I thought it would be worth a look.

I know these aren't women running for office but I think they are almost as important.

I don't think it's fair they have ZERO access to the justice process.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5GigADEv OA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_gxEfMo6 Bs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11E8jLANQ mQ

by GeorgeP922 2008-04-09 11:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Protest Sexism against US Service women

This is very important, george P, sex abuse in Iraq from our own side is outrageously widespread. All  women deserve a voice.

by linfar 2008-04-09 11:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Protest Sexism against US Service women

Lets not forget the Iraqi women and children, but in that same breath I think this issue if horribly frightening, and its even worse that the media doesnt cover it.

I dont think the media is doing it out of callous, I honestly think they know Americans would go as frothing mad as you saw Cenk do in that second clip.

Unfortunatly the MSM wants to depress you, but not so depressed you get off the couch and miss the commericals.

by GeorgeP922 2008-04-09 11:36AM | 0 recs
My heart is with you 100%

Congrats on getting this together!!  I pray your voices will be heard.  Maybe there is a courageous journalist with some investigative skills who will take some measure of strength from what you are doing and begin to tell the unbiased truth about Hillary AND about Obama.

by The Smoldering Crone 2008-04-09 11:10AM | 0 recs
Re: My heart is with you 100%

Hi, and thanks for your comment. Hearts are very important!!

by linfar 2008-04-09 11:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

Linfar - I know a bunch of "mad as hell" women in LA - I will forward your diary to them.

by nikkid 2008-04-09 11:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

Great. Great. And I myself feel  mad as hell afer posting this diary and reading some of the obama supporters comments. It is so clueless to think this doesn't concern them. Or that they help anything by attacking me, I  dunno ::shaking head::

by linfar 2008-04-09 11:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

Is there anyway to do a virtual protest in tandem to the street protests?

I can't get to NY or LA on such short notice.  

by bellarose 2008-04-09 11:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

Please send this info and qustion along to the email addy in the diary. Sounds good to me :)

by linfar 2008-04-09 11:26AM | 0 recs
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I understand your frustration, however I think I believe you fail to grasp the larger picture. I'm all for people taking it to the streets.

As an Obama supporter I think the instances of the Obama/Osama confusion as media bias. I think the media's failure to report on John McCain's Iraq gaffes.

It's a larger issue. Anytime anyone is protesting GE it's alright with me. Go for it!

by sacca28 2008-04-09 11:38AM | 0 recs
Questions...

I have a few sincere questions, so please don't accuse me of being a rabid Obama supporter right off the bat.  I truly want to understand where you're coming from--but not in talking points and accusations, because that's all that seems to be happening lately (on both sides).

What is this "media bias"?  Specifically?  
I understand sexist comments have been made by those in the media, and I also understand the news coverage has largely been "How can she pull off winning this thing?"  

Also, there has been plenty of negative reporting, but for both candidates.  If one candidate has had more "negatives" occur in their campaign, how is reporting that biased?  I mean, they played the Reverend Wright thing to death.

What is this "hate speech"?
Again, sexist comments, I get it.  But what, in your mind, constitutes hate speech toward Hillary?  I am yet to hear anyone in the media say "Geez, someone should just shoot her now, the good for nothing woman.  We really should just round up all the women and get rid of them.  The world would be better off."  

What "prejudice"?
The "She can't win because she's a woman" prejudice?  Or the "Chances are she won't win the nomination" prejudice?  Because, to be honest, chances are she won't win the nomination.

Why, on earth, would you want votes counted in primaries that were unfair to ALL of the candidates?

I understand Hillary won in both of those states.  However, many people didn't vote because they knew it wouldn't count, and many voted because of other issues on the ballot.  What about those voters who would have voted for Hillary (or any other candidate) had they thought it would have mattered?  Furthermore, where was the outrage and claims of voter suppression previous to her "winning"?

Who is rigging the Democratic primary, and how?
This is obviously a flawed process, but it is not being "rigged" to favor one candidate over the other.  The DNC did not take away Michigan and Florida's delegates MONTHS before they voted in an attempt to keep Hillary out of the White House.

by asherrem 2008-04-09 11:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Questions...

CUE crickets.

by bookish 2008-04-09 12:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Questions...

Well...I tried.

I really am trying to understand the "Clinton Supporter Point of View."  I'm beginning to think it's all talking points and accusations because any time I ask a question, I get nothing.

What truly concerns me is the constant exageration and feigned outrage.  Here we are, discussing a "Hillary is being treated unfairly" protest, while at the same time there is a diary complaining that Obama hasn't called on Bush to boycott the Olympics.  Hypocritical much?

This is what I've observed:

Little to no outrage over voter suppression/disenfranchisement prior to January.

Little to no outrage over a man who preaches the word of God being labeled a racist and anti-American.

Absolutely no mention of pressuring any Democratic candidate to call on Bush to boycott the Olympics opening ceremony until Hillary decided to do so.

People throwing around terms like racist,  sexist, hate-speech, and suppression like they mean nothing.

I mean really...this tit for tat crap is really getting obnoxious.  There are ways for us to support our candidates that don't involve smearing the other, and getting pissy everytime someone on the tv says something we don't like about our candidate.

Instead of holding the candidate the other supports accountable for everything under the sun, perhaps we should start holding ourselves accountable for all the crap that's coming out of our mouths.  

by asherrem 2008-04-09 04:26PM | 0 recs
It's the feigned hysteria

that is driving me up a wall.  It's limited to a few diarists and commenters. I won't put that label on all Hillary supporters or even most Hillary supporters.  If someone says 'Hillary has next to no chances of winning' certain people will cry misogyny and claim it's hate speech, etc.  I just see these people as troublemakers (or that other T-word) and the so-called Obama supporters who call Hillary names fall in that same category.  Regular Dems don't do that kind of thing as we have our eye on the prize.

by GFORD 2008-04-10 07:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

I have a question, I get the feelings of bias and sexism, not sure I agree, but I see where you're coming from, but voter suppression? How does that charge stick? Senator Clinton's name would remain on the ballot and people would still be able to vote for her. Whose vote would be suppressed?

by Obama Independent 2008-04-09 11:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Protest Coming to LA!!

I sent a letter to local editor a couple months ago on media bias -- as a warning.  I wish more had heeded my warning!!  Although we NH people saw through the media hype -- and voted accordingly.   Here's a copy:  (my monster comment inadvertantly turned out to be quite prophetic!)

To the editor:

In case everyone has forgotten, the media doesn't really have a great track-record in their picks for president.  Well, to be more precise,  they are good at getting their choice elected; but after the election is over, that choice becomes a disaster for the country.

How does the media get their candidate elected?  First, it almost seems they predetermine who'll be the next president.  Then they create a wonderful, warm and fuzzy personality for their choice, at the same time creating unattractive personas for anyone else.  The point is it's the media making up and spinning these personalities.  They could take the creepiest person around and render him all warm and fuzzy to their viewers; and vice versa turn a very engaging and intelligent person into a monster.

Remember 2000:  Gore was so "cold and wooden and unattractive; but, hey, what a likeable fellow that Bush is -- wouldn't you just love to have a beer with him?"  (Forget the fact that it might not be such a good idea to have a drink with a recovering alcoholic.)

Then in 2004, in similar vein, the media painted John Kerry as cold and unappealing.  And anyone who would yell at a noisy campaign rally like Howard Dean did must be a total nut.  Not to worry though, that likeable guy Bush is still around to have another beer with.

In the primary phase of election 2008, the media has again from the get-go been having fun creating their personalities. This time it's cold, calculating and cackly Hillary, on the one hand, and Mr. Charisma himself Barack Obama, on the other.  And that Hillary has always been so ambitious.  Not Barack though -- he just gets elected to the Senate (first term) and right away starts running for president.  Has anyone ever called him too ambitious?  To the contrary, following the media spin, wouldn't you just love to have a beer with such a likeable guy?  (Hey, and maybe Bush could join you!)

When you see the media blatantly giving a candidate the proverbial free pass (a la Obama), crowning their choice from the outset, and you're inclined to trust the media's taste in presidential candidates, all I have to say to everyone is:  caveat emptor.

by moevaughn 2008-04-09 11:59AM | 0 recs
The media has tried to tarnish Obama...

... but the public doesn't seem to care.  If you step back for a moment, you'd see that the media has treated both of our candidates awfully, it's just that Obama has been more skillful at deflecting the bullshit.  

Remember when everyone said Wright would sink Obama's campaign?  3 in the morning?  The 'rhetoric over experience' meme?  Rezko?  Too black?  Trashing his wife?

He turned all of these to his own advantage, which is an ability that will surely help him in the GE.

This protest is basically a plea to the media to go easy on Hillary, while turning up the heat on Obama.  It's basically your typical republican 'liberal media' strategy.  Shameless.

by dystopianfuturetoday 2008-04-09 12:29PM | 0 recs
Re: nore skillful?

or maybe just MSM's kid gloves?
by moevaughn 2008-04-09 01:30PM | 0 recs
The MSM isn't MS.

by dystopianfuturetoday 2008-04-09 06:29PM | 0 recs
Re: The media has tried to tarnish Obama...
Spot on, dystopian!
by jwolf 2008-04-09 03:00PM | 0 recs
Why not protest media bias agaisnt all Dems...

... and not just the one you support in primary season?

by dystopianfuturetoday 2008-04-09 12:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Why not protest media bias agaisnt all Dems...

I think I'd rather not have this group representing my interests. It will likely end badly, as they have a hard time presenting anything more than circumspect evidence of supposed biases even in forums such as this. When the lights are in your face and you have no answer or, conversely, you're foaming at the mouth, it never comes across well.

by bookish 2008-04-09 12:59PM | 0 recs
Has it occurred to you that perhaps

the piss-poor campaign the Clinton's have been running deserves criticism?  It's been a mess of pushed-back goalposts, Mark Penn, failed messaging (we're on campaign theme what, 9?), not paying vendors, failing to get their act together for the caucuses (you know, the election they're in, not the election they want), and bizarre numeric claims of potential victory.

It's become a punch line, and that shouldn't make you mad, it should make you worried.

by steampunkx 2008-04-09 12:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

Who puts out a press release with "shit" in it?

by freedom78 2008-04-09 12:33PM | 0 recs
Is this a straight line?

Who wants to take this one?

by Quicklund 2008-04-09 05:23PM | 0 recs
You'd be so much

better served by directing all this effort into GOTV operations for your candidate, instead of trying to cloak a demand to get your way in the primary into a "protest" against media bias. It's kinda hard to see what NBC can do about Michigan and Florida, isn't it?

by MBNYC 2008-04-09 12:43PM | 0 recs
Ratings abuse

by the troll catfish1.

by MBNYC 2008-04-09 03:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Ratings abuse

He's a coward.

by zep93 2008-04-10 06:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

I live in the Seattle area.  I am interested in joining the protest.  

by JustJennifer 2008-04-09 12:45PM | 0 recs
The Media is a MESS! MSNBC = TalkShow

Has anybody noticed that every show on MSNBC is a talk show? Somebody will read a news item, then invite two other "journalists" on to discuss the news item. Then they read another news item. All day long.

Great idea! Is there one in Northern California?

by catfish1 2008-04-09 01:52PM | 0 recs
I think it is totally fair to target C. Matthews

We need to take an example of him.

Count me in with my wife, my two daughters and my 2 years old grandson protesting the despicable NBC/MSNBC outside their headquarter in NYC (I will be bringing with me a dozen of well rotten eggs. An old trick from the Vietnam war protests)

MSNC totally lost it. Over the years i became insensible to bias, but what has been happening in MSNBC over the last 4 months is just unbelievable.

by Prisoners dilemma 2008-04-09 02:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!
The media drools over McCain....and will trash ALL Dems.
why..ah well because the Republican mindset of greed and less regulation feed this monster.
http://www.mediachannel.org/ownership/ch art.shtml
by nogo war 2008-04-09 02:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

not on this is of course GE/Microsoft with NBC and MSNBC..

Folks...they demean both candidates. They have never really provided the scope of anti-war protests. They did not provide real coverage of the illegal police etc activity in NY and Boston in 2004. They have panels on Sunday shows dominated by Republicans interviewing Republicans...

by nogo war 2008-04-09 02:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

Your "it's the media bias that's hurting Clinton" argument comes down to a presupposition that people are sheep who vote however the somehow unified media wants them to. In other words, Obama voters are dupes.

As one of of five Democrats who switched from Clinton to Obama, I find that offensive. I came to the conclusion that Obama was a better candidate all by my lonesome.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-09 03:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

Hey, I was trying to remember when all those protests for Carole Mosley Braun in 2004 occurred.  Can anyone help me here?

by mikeinsf 2008-04-09 03:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

"The media did it to my candidate" is the same claim George HW Bush's folks made in 1992 when they could not believe that the upstart Bill Clinton was actually preferred by the American people.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-09 06:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

Yes sure media bias.
"Come on Hillary, the world is dieing to know.
Is it pearls or diamonds"

Many of us had to sit back and listen to these swooning questions in horror.

by joachim 2008-04-09 06:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!

I'm looking forward to the Los Angeles event.

by Athena2 2008-04-09 08:13PM | 0 recs
Pretty irrelevant

considering that Chris Matthews is already looking for other work.  They talked yesterday about the prospect of his running against Spectre (as a Democrat) for PA Senate.  Other rumors are that he may get Face the Nation on CBS.  (Bad fit, in my opinion.)

I can see why you might not like Matthews.  He has been tough on both Clintons and said a lot of stupid, embarrassing things.  But there has been some awful collateral damage in all this.  There has been hatred vented against Keith Olbermann -- KEITH OLBERMANN! -- for his reporting on Hillary, as if the progressive movement would be better off with K.O. gone.  And David Shuster, the guy who almost singlehandedly made the Plamegate story a network news issue was suspended... and probably lost his chance at Tucker's slot because of it to that pro-war tool David Gregory.

MSNBC has been the most anti-war of the three cable news networks.  It's sad to see the pro-Hillary forces targeting it.  Especially when the primary season may be so close to being over.  

by Dumbo 2008-04-10 12:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!
Pretty good smack down on Tapper...
http://mediamatters.org/columns/20080408 0001
by nogo war 2008-04-10 06:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Protest Coming to LA!!
oohhhh Linfar got owned!!!!! asherrem excellent questions I really hope a Hillary supporter can answer this so I can see their side of it I have a few sincere questions, so please don't accuse me of being a rabid Obama supporter right off the bat. I truly want to understand where you're coming from--but not in talking points and accusations, because that's all that seems to be happening lately (on both sides). What is this "media bias"? Specifically? I understand sexist comments have been made by those in the media, and I also understand the news coverage has largely been "How can she pull off winning this thing?" Also, there has been plenty of negative reporting, but for both candidates. If one candidate has had more "negatives" occur in their campaign, how is reporting that biased? I mean, they played the Reverend Wright thing to death. What is this "hate speech"? Again, sexist comments, I get it. But what, in your mind, constitutes hate speech toward Hillary? I am yet to hear anyone in the media say "Geez, someone should just shoot her now, the good for nothing woman. We really should just round up all the women and get rid of them. The world would be better off." What "prejudice"? The "She can't win because she's a woman" prejudice? Or the "Chances are she won't win the nomination" prejudice? Because, to be honest, chances are she won't win the nomination. Why, on earth, would you want votes counted in primaries that were unfair to ALL of the candidates? I understand Hillary won in both of those states. However, many people didn't vote because they knew it wouldn't count, and many voted because of other issues on the ballot. What about those voters who would have voted for Hillary (or any other candidate) had they thought it would have mattered? Furthermore, where was the outrage and claims of voter suppression previous to her "winning"? Who is rigging the Democratic primary, and how? This is obviously a flawed process, but it is not being "rigged" to favor one candidate over the other. The DNC did not take away Michigan and Florida's delegates MONTHS before they voted in an attempt to keep Hillary out of the White House
by wellinformed 2008-04-10 06:44AM | 0 recs

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