69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

Hillary says help. Obama says help.

And the 69 dead in 61 days are calling your name.

The roll call of the dead began when  the Slaugher Boys known as Bush and Cheney delisted wolves from the Endangered Species Act and Limpy, a Wyoming wolf, was shot the first day.

Another wolf was shot near Grand Teton National Park in a supposedly safe area. Many packs have already been decimated.

Today Defenders of Wildlife went to court in Missoula, Montana, to stop the slaughter until a court case protesting the delisting can be decided.

In my  own Montana days, about 140 miles from Missoula,  I came outside early one morning in the late fall to find the most magnificent dog I had ever seen on a little promontory near my house. I lived with  a siberian husky and I thought it strange I had never seen the dog before. And then like a sun breaking into my confusion it hit me: this is a wolf. I froze then and just stared at the most magnificent animal I had ever seen.  We stood there in the early dawn staring across the species divide, sharing what seemed like  a huge curiosity and maybe even a longing to know each other better. Our unmoving stillness shattered when someone called out, and as their cry split the still air the wolfe turned away from me and bounded away.

I never told another living soul in Montana what I had seen. They still trap wild animals and I knew every hunter within a 50 mile radius would descend on our little town to kill him a wolfe.  

I do not doubt having lived in this part of the US that Defenders of Wildlife needs our help to stop a slaughter aimed at erasing all the gains reintroducing wolves into the wild has accomplished.   The organizatgion does a lot
Your contribution will help support...

Our fight in the courts. Today is one of the first of many court clashes over the elimination of federal protections for wolves. We need your ongoing support to maintain these efforts.

On-the-ground efforts. Each year, Defenders pays for "range riders", livestock guarding dogs, education and training, fladry barriers, fencing and other proactive strategies to keep wolves away from livestock -- and both out of harm's way.

Grassroots mobilization. With your help, our staff has testified in defense of wolves at hearings across the region, mobilized hundreds to speak out on Idaho's proposed wolf hunt and generated headlines in Wyoming for the thousands of Defenders activists who called the governor to urge an end to the state's shoot-on-sight policy and much, much more.

Media outreach. Our staff continuously monitors media accounts, rebutting myths and distortions and countering statements by radical wolf opponents like Ron Gillett, who earlier this year said, "You can nuke `em, poison `em, dynamite -- I don't care. I just want them gone."

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Tags: Barack Obama, Defenders of Wildlife, Grand Teton National Park, Hillary Clinton, Montana, wolves, Wyoming, Yellowstone Natinal Park (all tags)



Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]
linfar, thank you for sharing this with us. It's an issue I care about and many here might not have known that this was even happening.
thank you
by venician 2008-05-29 02:02PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

Hi venican, your welcome.

Spread the word will you? by the time we get a dem adiministration, they could be all gone again :(

by linfar 2008-05-29 02:11PM | 0 recs
Wolves mate for life... If a wolfs mate is killed

or dies, it will often stay by the body until it itself dies.

That is incredibly touching.

We also need to remember that the first dogs were wolves. At some point in the distant, prehistoric past, a human family probably killed a female wolf and found the orphaned pups, and brought one home as a pet.. the rest is history.. now dogs are the most treasured animal many humans know..

Inside every dog is a wolf.. the reason dogs are loyal members of huan families is because of the legacy of their distant past as wolves.

by architek 2008-05-29 02:42PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

Great diary, Linfar. But without wishing to sow dissension where none is needed, were does this fit with 'I've got a gun, my daddy used to take me shooting, Appalachian Penn/Oh/WV/Kentucky thing?  Don't those guys just love shooting critters?

Just sayin' - as a human critter?

by duende 2008-05-29 03:06PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

No need to poke at them with this now, Duende. It's time to let the primary-crazyness die. Who cares what they said about that BS then... let's worry about these poor animals now.

by Tatan 2008-05-29 03:13PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

I am worried about these animals, and their main threat seems to come from humans, or did I read that wrong?

Spent a lot of time lobbying against hunting here in the UK, and always amazed how politically incorrect that is in the USA.

So while you think I'm using this the death of animals to make a political point, I'm much more worried about the reverse: political points using the death of animals.

I don't see how these are dissoluble in a truly moral universe: but maybe you're saying that democratic political primaries are a long way from a moral universe: in which case, I'd have to bow to your superior knowledge. But reluctantly.

by duende 2008-05-29 03:33PM | 0 recs
there are many hunters in the A. Leopold mold

That's really an unnecessary smear on hunters.  

Where I live, if folks didn't hunt we'd be overrun with whitetail deer and I'd lose most of my apple crop.

It's possible criticize this silly wolf hunting without smearing hunters - a mistake a lot of urban Democrats have made in the past.

by emptythreatsfarm 2008-05-29 03:31PM | 0 recs
Re: there are many hunters in the A. Leopold mold

I'm not smearing hunters, but we in the UK have no wolves left, and that's due to 'innocent' hunters. Of course there's an interest in providing stable populations, but that doesn't come from individuals with guns, it comes from a larger sense of environmental responsibility. And where does that come from? Democracy and the ballot box.

Most modern nations now are a balance between city and countryside. Only in the US would my point of view be seen as some kind of urban democrats position. Well, take as you find.

by duende 2008-05-29 03:37PM | 0 recs
Re: there are many hunters in the A. Leopold mold

In parts of southwestern Wisconsin where I live, we are experiencing problems with declines in certain species of forest plants because of an overpopulation of deer.

You cannot attempt to stabilize the deer population without those of us with guns.

Where I live, environmental stewardship emerges not from the ballot box, but from a relationship with the land.  Sometimes that understanding is not perfect.  I know some hunters that would shoot a wolf on sight, but most I know would be thrilled to see one.

Playing around with the "goons and guns" theme is a good way to turn off ethical hunters for whom the annual hunt is a very important cultural tradition.

And by the way, I happen to know some Norwegian hunters whose views on hunting are pretty close to mine.

by emptythreatsfarm 2008-05-29 03:50PM | 0 recs
Re: there are many hunters in the A. Leopold mold

Of course, and I could find Canadian, Scottish and Finnish hunters who have the same views about overpopulation of certain species.

But you and I know when it comes to the US, we're talking about a cultural matter here. Culling can happen without widespread ownership of guns. We can choose to ignore it in this thread, but the main difference between Norway, Canada, Scotland, Finland and the US is: you can't make capital equating gun ownership, hunting and a first amendment in all but one of those countries.

My issue isn't with hunting per se, it's actually with the misuse of stewardship over sustainable populations with recreational gun ownership, often by weekend suburban hunters who have no knowledge of the land. By even mentioning this on this thread I touch a live rail. But let's not pretend that natural hunting has anything to do with the NRA, or in fact the survival of wolf populations.

I'll be unpopular for saying this, partly because this is a European/US difference, but while the 'attempted' murder rate in most European countries is about the same as the US, the actual murder rate varies from five to ten times greater in the US. And why is that?

Because Europeans tend to try to kill each other (since world war II it should be said) with knives and blunt instruments and are less successful. But US gun ownership outstrips Europe (with a few exceptions like Finland and Switzerland) by a factor of ten or more.

The defense of hunting, a key part of NRA lobbying, has been instrumental in keeping up US gun ownership. And while you can castigate me for being an urban democrat, I would much rather fall in the category of defending human and animal rights AGAINST widespread firearms ownership, even if a few hunters feel their rights are being trampled upon.

Sorry, just how I feel. I don't expect you to agree. But I watched these primaries avidly, and I think your genuine belief in sustainable hunting has been used and abused.

by duende 2008-05-29 04:06PM | 0 recs
Re: there are many hunters in the A. Leopold mold

I agree with everything you just said.  I was just giving you my perspective from my corner of the planet.

I can't stand the NRA.  I despise the way they have pissed on the legacy of Leopold and others to make a case for irresponsible gun ownership.

And why would you be jumped on for bringing up the homicide rate in the U.S.?  Have you seen Bowling for Columbine?

We're probably cross-talking a bit, since the management of deer and wolves are two very separate issues.

by emptythreatsfarm 2008-05-29 04:17PM | 0 recs
Actually, the deer are overpopulating...

... largely because humans with guns have eliminated the predators that used to keep the deer population in line.

It goes both ways.

by tbetz 2008-05-29 04:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Actually, the deer are overpopulating...

tbetz, that is spot on. What happened in Yellowstone when the top predator was reintroduced was a balance that came back naturally. the elk population no longer overran the park.

by linfar 2008-05-29 04:38PM | 0 recs
that explanation is too simplistic

Actually, where I live, the deer explosion has a lot more to do with the humanized landscape than it does with a lack of predators.

We have created a patchwork of forest and field out of what was previously prairie on the ridges or eastern hardwoods in the valleys.  

This makes prime habitat for deer and the agricultural landscape provides an abundance of food for them.

I'm all for predator reintroduction in the right setting, but currently we don't have either the political will or landscape that it would require.  

Maybe in the future.

by emptythreatsfarm 2008-05-29 05:01PM | 0 recs
Re: that explanation is too simplistic

I don't know your area in detail, but it would apply to the highly managed landscapes of northern Europe. England still has a lot of coppices and small woodland tracts, mainly preserved for fox and pheasant hunting. but none I suspect would sustain a wolf population.

But how permanent is this solution? A lot of UK farming is economically unviable, and basically survives through 'lifestyle' subsidy. I have no problem with that (as long as the concomitant 'right to roam' applies to tax payers) but in the long run a lot of current farmland will revert, like much of the Appalachians, back to mixed use and managed forest.  

by duende 2008-05-29 05:28PM | 0 recs
Re: there are many hunters in the A. Leopold mold

And while I think of it: the better way to solve your whitetail deer population explosion, and save your apples, is not to buy a gun, but to reintroduce a good predator - maybe a few wolves.

by duende 2008-05-29 04:17PM | 0 recs
Re: there are many hunters in the A. Leopold mold

Which is exactly what happened in Yellowstone.

by linfar 2008-05-29 04:39PM | 0 recs
Re: there are many hunters in the A. Leopold mold

Apples and Oranges.

That landscape was not nearly as disturbed by human economic activity as the one I live in.

I think what has happed in Yellowstone is fantastic.  Have you seen the photos of how the willows have regrown in the riverways because the elk can no longer (over)graze their safely.  

Those wolves have brought some of the wildness back into the elk minds and have made them less like their ungulate cousin the cow.

by emptythreatsfarm 2008-05-29 05:03PM | 0 recs
Re: there are many hunters in the A. Leopold mold

yeah, what yu said

by linfar 2008-05-29 05:12PM | 0 recs
Re: there are many hunters in the A. Leopold mold

Disclaimer: I grew up a hunter, and don't think there's anything wrong with it.

Can't we help solve both problems by reintroducing wolves to SW WI?

by reenactor 2008-05-29 06:31PM | 0 recs
Re: there are many hunters in the A. Leopold mold

reenactgor, sounds good to me :)

by linfar 2008-05-29 06:48PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

duende, I learned a lot about hunting in Montana from linc on this website. In Montana people still hunt for food and hunting has a long, honorable tradition. I don't hunt. And neither did my Daddy :) But hunters are only part of the problem when it comes to wolves. The biggest problem for wolves are the ranchers and stock herders. Defenders pays them for any livestock killed by a wolf. But some of them are really rabid about wolves. It's not rational. They would machine gun them down and they do still  shoot them from planes in alaska.

by linfar 2008-05-29 04:33PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

I'm with you. I always tend to think of hunters as a part time activity, usually out of an (exaggerated) threat to livestock, or in the case of arctic seals, fishstock. Both are effectively industrialised processes. We can't return to hunter gathering. But we must learn that there are better forms of sustainable food production, and that biodiversity, once lost, can never be recovered.

As I said, great diary Linfar.

by duende 2008-05-29 05:22PM | 0 recs
Really great diary, linfar.

Thank you. I'll be making a contribution tonight, and I'll email this info to all my friends.

by sricki 2008-05-29 07:56PM | 0 recs
This is a great diary.

Save these noble animals from the dishonorable animals that would call for and participate in their destruction. If you aren't comfortable with wolves then don't build your house where they shop.

by tonedevil 2008-05-29 02:03PM | 0 recs
Re: This is a great diary.

very funny. Truly.

by linfar 2008-05-29 02:11PM | 0 recs
I can't tell...

but I hope you don't take my post as disingenuous, it is not.

by tonedevil 2008-05-29 02:37PM | 0 recs
Its not funny, its true..

Mountain lions too.

by architek 2008-05-29 02:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Its not funny, its true..

Yes mt lions are getting shot too. the demonization of wild animals goes on unabated. Except  with wolves you could see the education effort begin to make a dent in the demonization process. And so many people wrote glowingly about what happened to the ecosystem in yellowstone with the reintroduction of the wolves that you could see people being converted. The problem in part is a macho, hunting, kill everything on 4 feet ethos that still reins in the Wyoming, Idaho, Montana region.

by linfar 2008-05-29 02:51PM | 0 recs
Re: I can't tell...

No I only thought 'don't live where they shop' was a great line. Made me laugh.

by linfar 2008-05-29 02:46PM | 0 recs
Re: I can't tell...

This was in answer to tone devil.

by linfar 2008-05-29 02:52PM | 0 recs

this is really an important subject and I am glad to see us all come together for nature.

by tonedevil 2008-05-29 04:44PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

A noble diary for a noble cause.  Kudos.

by rfahey22 2008-05-29 02:09PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

well, I guess we can see eye to eye on some things, huh? :)

by linfar 2008-05-29 02:12PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

Yes, we must be approaching the End Times.  :)

by rfahey22 2008-05-29 02:16PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

ROFL. Best one. Absolutely...

by linfar 2008-05-29 02:41PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

Thanks for posting this. You've been wrongly maligned on this site. They just don't know the many great diaries you've written to bring attention to Tibet's cause, etc. You are a champion of the underdog. Thanks.

PS - fix you Hillary tag - "hillaary"

by grlpatriot 2008-05-29 02:10PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

thanks grlpatriot. Spread the word about the wolves, ok. For one to die every day since they've been delisted is really bad.

by linfar 2008-05-29 02:13PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

This is very sad.  

Why are people so bloodthirsty that they just HAVE to kill something the second they can.  

by freedom78 2008-05-29 02:21PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

I agree with you. I found Montanans by and large determined to make every mistake we made in the rest of the states as fast as they could. I lived near a sweet, pristine lake where you could wade in and see the bottom. But nobody and nothing was doing much to protect it. And if you said that well, jeeesh, you must be from california or someplace stupid like that :)

by linfar 2008-05-29 02:40PM | 0 recs

This makes no sense at all.  You would think Bush and co would be satisfied with all the PEOPLE they've already killed.  Recc'd.

by lollydee 2008-05-29 02:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Ugh.

they are just killers, thasss all. It isn't just Iraq they have aimed to wreck

by linfar 2008-05-29 02:38PM | 0 recs
They feel threatened by anything they don't contro

They feel threatened by anything they don't control.

That is a symptom of narcissism. They don't realise that we are part of Nature and we are not separate from the animals, we are also animals..and as the ones who can, the ones who are supposed to be able to think, we have a responsibility to protect them, not dominate them.

I don't even like eating meat. I do it because I'm not in the greatest health and I suspect that I wouldn't be getting enough protein if I didn't eat it. But I wish I could eat it and not have to kill animals to do it.

There is a company in Holland that is commercializing a process to grow meat
from cloned cells.

At some point not too far in the future, people may be able to buy a meat machine and make meat like they make bread.. No cows involved..

You could even grow your own meat.. ;)

by architek 2008-05-29 03:04PM | 0 recs
The wolves fit a

noble role in the ecosystem and deserve to be protected.  Here in MN we have a minimum population set at 1600 wolves in our state.

Kudos to you for writing this diary. Recced.

by Student Guy 2008-05-29 02:34PM | 0 recs
Re: The wolves fit a

Agreed . . . phantom rec.

by Veteran75 2008-05-29 03:42PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

thanks sg. I wondered where you would stand on the issue. Please pass the word along ok. I think this threat is truly horrendous and everything done to reintroduce them could be wiped out before we get a Dem administration. A lot depends on Defenders winning their suit. by the way, congratulations on getting a diary in the rec area. :)

by linfar 2008-05-29 02:37PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

I think you would be hard pressed to find any Democrats who don't respect animals and our environment.

I miss the peaceful 90's when Im sure liberals could spend every waking hour on issues that matter.

Now we are stuck fighting incumbant republicans and trying to end an illegal war.

We need to end our wars and elect a Dem majority so that these issues are at the forefront.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-05-29 02:45PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

Well, you wouldn't find a dem putting his dog in a crate on the roof of his car and then stopping at a gas station to wash off the shit running down cause the dog was so terrified. I mean Romney was Unfucking out of his mind.

by linfar 2008-05-29 02:54PM | 0 recs

You are kidding..

if that is true, I agree.. he was unf*** out of his mind..

I used to have a wolf-dog (Ive actually had two but he was the one that lived with me the longest) and he was the best dog that I have ever had. Its been almost 20 years and I still miss him. He was samoyed/shepherd/wolf.

Very smart. He was a local celebrity.
They really do talk, and they have an incredible memory for places.

I know a lot about dog (and wolf) behavior thanks to him. For a while I lived in a very cool rural area where a lot of people had wolf dogs, so I have actually known quite a few. Often, they are sort of uncontrollable, but my dog was very well behaved (considering how smart he was)

I really like dogs in general. Some people just like dogs and dogs like them. I am one of those people. I wish I could have one now but my own life isn't as stable as I would like now and its a BIG responsibility. Its like having children, almost. (another thing that I have not been able to do because of being chronically ill, and afraid of sudden bills from that.)

by architek 2008-05-29 03:13PM | 0 recs

You never heard that Romney story?

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/ 0,8599,1638065,00.html

by map 2008-05-29 03:15PM | 0 recs

That story is why I always refer to him as Mutt Romney.

by Scotch 2008-05-29 03:56PM | 0 recs

More like Jerko Romney. And you know he never saw anything wrong with it!

by linfar 2008-05-29 03:58PM | 0 recs

I still find it hard to believe, don't you? I mean the guy was just clueless.

by linfar 2008-05-29 03:57PM | 0 recs

architek, I am sorry about your health. Sometimes a dog helps :) I got blue, my husky, in Montana when I was really, really sick and no one knew what was wrong. It was an immune system breakdown and I was in bad shape with no help in site. I will spare you the story but I wound up rescueing this little husky puppy--and I think he saved my life.

by linfar 2008-05-29 03:55PM | 0 recs
Thank you

I will, my state rep who I helped to get elected (I put in over 100 hours of door knocking as a 16 year old) is in favor of the limit but there are some in my state house who keep trying to lower the limit.  Also since I am on a college campus for school, I can

Also thank you for the congratulations, though the actions of some people today are making me consider an "I was wrong diary".

Diaries like this one should be what this place is about.

by Student Guy 2008-05-29 02:54PM | 0 recs

The Sea Sheppard saved 500 whales in Japan and had an upperhand in ending the Seal clubbing slaughter season in Canada this year too.

There are many other groups but I find Captain Watson the most compelling in his results.

He actually saves lives, I hope he gets involved with this being that his ship was stolen by the Canadian government.


by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-05-29 02:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Plug

I didn't know about this guy. Good to know. the baby seal slaughter is pretty bad. Most Canadians hate it.

by linfar 2008-05-29 02:56PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

Thanks for highlighting this issue.  Another reason we must get a Democrat, any Democrat, back in the White House.

I'd rec this if I could.

by map 2008-05-29 02:51PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

map, I never thought I would not wince at something you wrote in one of my diaries :) this is pretty amazing.

by linfar 2008-05-29 02:57PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

Content of the diary plays a huge role in how people respond.  It has nothing to do with me or you or Hillary or Obama.  

If I see content that I consider a smear I'll speak out against it.

If I see content that is worthy I'll praise it.

by map 2008-05-29 03:11PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

Except when it comes to politics, map, one person's smear is another person's truth. Hillary and Obama people here are basically Democrats with a lot of same values and ideals.I know I feel that way. And I don't want to do it here,now;  but I wish to God there was a diary where we could just express our doubts etc. without getting clobbered. I am a Tibetan buddhist and that tradition asks that people don't just accept 'received truth' but doubt and question. And this is the way you make the dharma your own. I am a doubter from the git-go so it works for me. Not sure this made any sense at all :)

by linfar 2008-05-29 03:23PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

It makes sense but it's a debate for another time.  I don't want to spoil your diary.

by map 2008-05-29 03:25PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

we should do it though :) A diary where everyone agrees to lay out arguments not rants, etc. And asks questions, like that. I dunno. Probably wishful thinking...

by linfar 2008-05-29 04:22PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

Tell ya what linfar...
This is way worse

Clinton and McWars voted
to trust Bush on military action against Iraq in 2002...
Please defend Clinton's vote on this...

by nogo postal 2008-05-29 03:03PM | 0 recs
Not helpful here

don't drag this into this diary.  If doesn't deal with the nomination at all.

by Student Guy 2008-05-29 03:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Not helpful here

I agree SG, lets focus on the wolves and the environment. I am really tired of fighting.

by linfar 2008-05-29 03:11PM | 0 recs
Why don't all you go read Samantha Power's

"A Problem From Hell" - read the chapter about Iraq- which is about the period when the US was SUPPORTING SADDAM, even as he was killing hundreds of thusands of Kurds in cold blood.. in genocide.. and then you tell me if you still are angry at Hillary for voting to remove Saddam Hussein, who killed 1 MILLION of his own people..

Its NOW that we need to be getting out of Iraq, NOT THEN.

BTW, Obama wants to INCREASE the Pentagon budget.. thats money that could go to schools, infrastructure, student aid so that todays young people can HAVE a future and so America can HAVE jobs in the future.. WE CAN'T LIVE ON 'HOPE'.


by architek 2008-05-29 03:19PM | 0 recs

This diary isn't primary related.  Chill.

by lollydee 2008-05-29 03:26PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

 Nogo--Well, I thought it was too good to last. If I answer this we are going to be off and running and frankly I am enjoying the break. Let's focus on the wolves, ok?

by linfar 2008-05-29 03:09PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

And whats wrong with CATS!


Im tired of the Feline species getting underhanded!


but really, cats are better than dogs :P

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-05-29 04:15PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

Tajii here, and I couldn't agree more. I had to live with this doofus of a husky who just smiled and whoowhooed at Everybody--can you imagine?? Now I rule the roost here. Kats rule for sure.

by linfar 2008-05-29 04:20PM | 0 recs
Awesome Diary!

And a beautiful video.  I really loved your story of the wolf outside your house one morning.  My aunt and uncle have a place in the Catskills and adopted a dog from there something like 15 years ago.  That dog was one of the most picturesque animals I've ever seen in RL.  I learned later that summer that it was part wolf and thus I think I understand how magnificent these creatures are.

I would just like to add that after reading this diary from your linfar my opinion of you has changed dramatically.  I defy any person to call you a troll now.  Good luck with your effort and know that you have a TU who will have your back in the future if people abuse you as before.

by nklein 2008-05-29 03:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Awesome Diary!

Hey, nklein, thanks. It has been a rough, rough time--that's for sure. So  having you at my back  feels pretty  good. I had a lover who had a cabin in Sullivan County--catskills basically, and we used to go there a lot. Beautiful country.

by linfar 2008-05-29 03:16PM | 0 recs
Absolutely gorgeous country in the Catskills...

There used to be a lake next to my aunt and uncle's house that was truly beautiful.  I loved to go fishing there.  The most beautiful area I think I've seen in this country is a tie between the mountains of northern New Hampshire and the desert along I-10 in New Mexico.  This country is often too beautiful for words.  That's one of the reasons why I love to drive and hate to fly.

by nklein 2008-05-29 03:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Absolutely gorgeous

I used to backpack and one year I did a lot of he appalachian trail. New Hampshire is great. I neve did make it to Katahdin in Maine tho :(

Listen, who is Caro???

by linfar 2008-05-29 03:32PM | 0 recs
She's a blogger here whose sig line says...

something to the effect of "called a racist, GOP troll.  You call this unity?"  And I know it's inappropriate to call out other users, but that really got me and I just wanted to point out that many Obama supporters have been equally trashed.  I further wanted to say that our efforts at unity are sincere.  Once the primaries are done, I'm going to go back to quoting Franklin on safety and liberty.  Nobody says it better than Benjamin Franklin.

I never made it Maine either, but I assume it must be beautiful country.

by nklein 2008-05-29 04:06PM | 0 recs
Re: She's a blogger here whose sig line says...

I guess I never read her sig line. So here's to beautiful places...

by linfar 2008-05-29 04:11PM | 0 recs
Back at ya...there's nothing like a beautiful...


by nklein 2008-05-29 04:45PM | 0 recs
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Great diary.  Rec'd.

by Koan 2008-05-29 03:14PM | 0 recs
Great Diary, linfar, phantom rec

and a contribution as soon as I can afford anything - got your site bookmarked.

We just moved down from Dorset, Ontario.  There are lots of wolves there.  I was just back there for a week and stopped to watch one on a ridge near our road (I had seen him cross ahead of me).  We sat there and looked at each other for a few minutes, then he loped off into the woods.

Keep up the good work, and I don't think this is at all off-topic for a progressive blog.



by chrisblask 2008-05-29 03:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Great Diary, linfar, phantom rec

thanks chris. Lucky you and Dorset. Appreciate your comment. Welcome to the site if you are new.

by linfar 2008-05-29 03:29PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

Look at us all getting along...on a linfar diary none the less. Great diary.  And a good wake up call for me not to write people off too quickly.

by proseandpromise 2008-05-29 03:27PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

Yeah, me too.

by linfar 2008-05-29 03:29PM | 0 recs
My kitty brought a mouse into my

bedroom last night- from somewhere inside the house (Yikes!)and I took it away from her (it was small) and put it outside- I think it was still alive. My sister came over today and I told her about it and she said I needed to get some poison and put it out. I told her "No way. I'm not a killer." She gave me a look and I said "Well, OK. I'd kill Bush and Cheney but no way would I kill a poor little mouse."  Thank you for this diary from a proud PETA, Defenders of Wildlife and Obama supporter!

by Voxlisa999 2008-05-29 04:02PM | 0 recs
Re: My kitty brought a mouse into my

Boy, you are something. I can never get the mice or bird away from my killer kitty. I can kayak right up to a whale but when it comes to mice and birds I am a real fraidy cat :(

by linfar 2008-05-29 04:09PM | 0 recs
Re: My kitty brought a mouse into my

Wow. Love the kayak story. My cats are pretty tame- they know who's the boss but I've dealt with some ferral cats who aren't so nice. Ouch! Again, thank you for this diary. I know many folks would disagree but I think it is extremely wrong to kill animals unless one is about to kill you or you're starving. Science has proved that eating a diet derived in large part from animals is deadly to humans!

by Voxlisa999 2008-05-30 09:44AM | 0 recs
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Wonderful diary, linfar! I like wolves and all critters and varmints, being one myself. Not only shouldn't this be a Hillary/Barack issue, it shouldn't even be a R/D issue. We all have a stake in this planet so we should all care about nature.

It was wrong for the Bush admin to de-list wolves. Let's hope efforts to protect the wolves succeed.


by Nobama 2008-05-29 04:17PM | 0 recs
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I like that picture. thanks.

by linfar 2008-05-29 04:45PM | 0 recs
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No problem...
given most of your posts...
yes I am hesitant to cheer this on ..
especially when someone else posted this call out for wolves
last week without a single comment from you.,,or most folks..hey it did get 6 rec's
it slipped away...

This plea for wolves does not negate your gottcha Obama camps posts...
If and when you diary other positions of mutual support I may give you the benefit of the doubt..
not now...

by nogo postal 2008-05-29 04:30PM | 0 recs
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I never saw the earlier diary. I have been consumed with the primary debate. nogo, I still support Hill and you support Obama but that doesn't mean we can't be respectful, does it?

by linfar 2008-05-29 04:44PM | 0 recs

thanks for being so pure.

by kevin22262 2008-05-29 06:08PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

Thanks Linfar,

I'll donate.  

by bellarose 2008-05-29 04:30PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

terrific. I think they are going to need every penny. Ranchers and other big money folks have been waiting for the delisting to try and exterminate them again.

by linfar 2008-05-29 04:47PM | 0 recs
Great Diary!

Nice job linfar....

by hootie4170 2008-05-29 04:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Great Diary!

thanks hootie. Can't believe we are speaking civilly...I really can't she said in amazement.

by linfar 2008-05-29 04:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Great Diary!

had $75 after bills this month, gave $25 to the cause!!  Keep up the good work and keep us informed, thanks again...

by hootie4170 2008-05-29 07:16PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

This is a site dedicated to Democratic issues; environmental protection is one of the core ones. No need for the [off topic] classifier.

Excellent diary, thanks for the heads up, rec'd and all that good stuff!

by TCQuad 2008-05-29 04:54PM | 0 recs
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Thanks TC. I appreciate it. Spread the word ok? Every day it seems another wolf gets shot.

by linfar 2008-05-29 05:00PM | 0 recs
Thank you for this

excellent diary.  I have a network of environmentalists and am linking your diary to an email with your permission.

by gchaucer2 2008-05-29 05:09PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

link away, gchaucer who I remember from Kos and that incrfedible diary we kept going for 2-3days about wildfires in my nick of the woods. It was bloggings finest hour as far as I am concerned.

by linfar 2008-05-29 05:15PM | 0 recs
Thanks linfar

will do so tonight -- I have about 250 names on the list and a wildlife biologist cousin in Wyoming with similar connections.  May we be as committed to this issue as the wildfire one.

One last point, I believe you have accomplished something quite remarkable with this diary.  You've managed to rally to the troops from both camps for a common cause.  Kudos.

by gchaucer2 2008-05-29 05:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks linfar

Unintended and so much the sweeter for being so.

by linfar 2008-05-29 06:25PM | 0 recs

For bring this out! I had no idea!

You really do put together some great diaries!

By the way, this diary would fit PERFECTLY at the EENR blog! Please cross post it there.

by kevin22262 2008-05-29 06:06PM | 0 recs
OK, I've now recommended a linfar diary.

I think this is one of the signs of the apocalypse, isn't it?

She's right. This is a huge issue and deserving of all of our attention.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 06:24PM | 0 recs
Re: OK, I've now recommended a linfar diary.

Travis, you are probably as surprised as I am :) Will wonders never cease???

by linfar 2008-05-29 06:27PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

Thank you for posting this.

by jfashwell 2008-05-29 06:28PM | 0 recs
Thank you Linfar

We disagree on so many things, but on this we are completely in line. It means so much to me personally that you posted this and I am actually in tears right now.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Recc'd big time.


thank you
I can't say it enough.

by JDF 2008-05-29 07:13PM | 0 recs
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Thanks, and Rec'd... but I've got to ask:  Why is this "off topic"?  

Isn't this a typical Democratic cause on par with, say, electing a Democrat in November?

by xeju 2008-05-29 08:43PM | 0 recs
Re: 69 dead in 61 days Action Item [off topic ]

Thank you linfar for bringing this to our attention.

Thank you also for showing (and allowing the rest of us to show) that, when we put down the primary sticks we've been beating each other with, we really can come together again when it is important.

by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow 2008-05-29 08:59PM | 0 recs


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