Fineman joins Olbermann lie about Clinton for Obama

Keith Olbermann has become such a disappointment.  As diaries and HIS SHOW display a different agenda than that of his truth telling days we all long for.

Instead, Keithie has decided to become a surrogate of the TV personalities for the Obama campaigns smear machine.  A day I don't think even the Obama followers expected to see.

His show lastnight, as discussed in this diary, was an onslaught on Hillary.  

But he stepped over the line when he claimed that it was Hillary's campaign that told Canada that the NAFTA talk was political.  Sighting an "unnamed source" that heard the Chief of Staff of the PM claim  "someone from Clinton's campaign is telling the Embassy to take it {what ever IF is)with a grain of salt....someone called us and told us not to worry".  But this extremely vague and unidentifiable claim that Keith Olbermann is trying to use as it was Clinton's campaign and not Obama's that said his anti NAFTA talk was "political rhetoric" is a lie.  

Did Keith Olbermann miss all the news?  Did Keith Olbermann decide to take the blade for the Obama camp because he knew it cost them to play such dirty politics and lie?  After all, the Canadian Government stated last week that they had a lower level claim of the Clinton campaign, which the Clinton campaign denied last week.  Here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMpbpov-H cA&eurl=http://www.mydd.com/story/20 08/2/29/84354/2510

And as further reports of NAFTAgate arised, they stated the Hillary Clinton campaign gave full immunity to reveal any name of the Clinton campaign person who they say made this claim.  As they were confident there was no name to give, because it didn't happen.

Here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAJYMgX4J uU&feature=related

And the Canadian government has names, dates and time of when the Obama campaign contacted Ambassador Wilson with the NAFTA assurances.

When Obama himself denied the story, saying it was a lie, and the named advisor Austan Goolsbee was interviewed and refused to deny the story, Canada released the copy of the memo confirming the facts of the story to the AP as we all saw
here.

Keith accused Hillary of doing what the Obama campaign did and had nothing to back it up and Howard Fineman went along with the lie.  So much for jouralistic integrity.

 

Tags: Barack Obama, countdown, free trade, Hillary Clinton, howard fineman, MSNBC, NAFTA, Obama network (all tags)

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22 Comments

Re: Fineman joins Olbermann to lie about Clinton f

I can't believe you've fallen for the lame-ass Clinton spin.

'full immunity?'  What the hell is that supposed to mean, even?  What power would Clinton have to do anything to anyone in any case?

You have your facts backwards on this one, sorry. And it's not KO's fault.

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-07 08:57AM | 0 recs
Debunking...

Heres the subject quote:

"He said someone from [Hillary] Clinton's campaign is telling the embassy to take it with a grain of salt. . . That someone called us and told us not to worry."

Who?  That's the difference here. This is simply not the same thing. This is a second hand hearsay reference to "somebody". It is an important difference. In Obama's case, what we had a story from a major TV network. There was a blanket denial by Obama himself, then someone (Goolsbee) was named and he denied it. Then the memo came out and they strugggled to spin it.

Here what we have is an unnamed source who says another person said something in a room at some point. Unless they can put more details to this, it is simply too flimsy.

Now I'll grant you that if further details do emerge then it will be very interesting and potentially very damaging to the Clinton campaign. But no further details have emerged. If something like this did occur then the Obama campaign needs to flush out the facts. The most obvious thing is to ask Mr. Brodie some questions. Did he talk to someone in the Clinton campaign? Who? What was the substance of the conversation? Are there any notes?

Before KO starts slinging the mud, something he had better come to regret if nothing more comes out or it turns out that these accusations are proven false, I urge him to dig out the truth and get some real evidence.

In fact yesterday the Clinton campaign reiterated their very stong denial of this. Did he mention that in his piece:

"Unlike the Obama campaign, we can and do flatly deny this report and urge the Canadian government to reveal the name of anyone they think they heard from.  The Obama campaign has given a variety of misleading answers to the press and the public about its top economic adviser's contacts with the Canadian government and should come clean about why they did so." - Campaign spokesperson, Phil Singer

Last week, CTV reported that a senior member of Obama's campaign called the Canadian embassy, reassuring officials that Sen. Obama's talk on NAFTA was just campaign rhetoric. The initial report carried a strong denial of similar low-level meetings with the Clinton campaign:

"Low-level sources also suggested the Clinton campaign may have given a similar warning to Ottawa, but a Clinton spokesperson flatly denied the claim."

The Clinton campaign also offered blanket immunity to any Canadian official who could provide names of any initiators or recipients of such contacts.

In contrast, the Obama campaign refused to confirm or deny the initial report. But over the next two days, Sen. Obama and his campaign made a series of false denials about its communication with the Canadian government about NAFTA.

Fact check: Unlike Sen. Obama, Hillary Campaign Never Contacted Canadian Government About NAFTA

Keith Olbermann is being blatetly dishonest and misleading and the Clinton campaign should call him on it.

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-07 08:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Debunking...

The top newspaper in Canada had this story - and it was sourced to a top aide of the Prime Minister.

There's excellent evidence that the Clinton people did what they said Obama's folks did.

by mainelib 2008-03-07 09:22AM | 0 recs
Re: "Where there is smoke there is fire"

Profound.

by susie 2008-03-07 09:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Fineman joins Olbermann
In KO's better days he would have named himself
"Worst Person In The World."
by sgary 2008-03-07 08:57AM | 0 recs
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The truth is hard to hear at times

by poserM 2008-03-07 09:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Fineman joins Olbermann lie about Clinton for

Not if you have your earplugs in real tight.

by Statsman 2008-03-07 10:02AM | 0 recs
Re: media/obama

Even NPR is getting hard to take these days.

On Diane Rehm show today, one of the guests brought up Rush Limbaugh's last minute urge to repubs in TX to vote for HRC.  There was not any mention of the group Republicans for Obama which has been encouraging crossovers to obama since the primaries began (having an influence on BHOs success in the red states).  There was no mention of the RFOs circulating that email for the past few weeks in TX telling Repubs to crossover and vote against Hillary by voting for Obama.  This had been going on for weeks; Limbaugh was just one last minute rant.

Anyway, it was also brought up that AFTER the primary in Florida closed, Hillary went to Florida to thank those voters who cast their votes for her.  The quests on show were implying it was wrong for her to do that, even though she broke no DNC rules. Again, nobody on the show mentioned that Obama gave a press conference, breaking the DNC rules, in Tampa, Florida right after the primary season opened last fall.  Hillary followed the rules and gets blamed for I-still-don't-know-what; and Obama actually broke the rules and not a word is mentioned.

It's more subtle on NPR, but the bias is there; and that bias especially effects the minds of progressive types (who supposedly think for themselves).

by moevaughn 2008-03-07 10:00AM | 0 recs
Re: media/obama

There is a difference when the Republicans were urged to vote for Obama because the urgers believed he was the best candidate as opposed to Rush wanting to hurt the Dems chances in Nov. by getting the mudslinging to continue and having the Dems tear themselves apart.

But I'm sure you will not see it that way. Love is blind.

by Statsman 2008-03-07 10:06AM | 0 recs
Re: media/obama

except that the email Republican for Obama sent out encouraging crossovers sai nothing about voting for O because he's the best candidate.  It said a vote for Obama is a vote against Hillary, and specifically said after voting for Obama in the primary/caucus, then suggesting going back to Repub side in GE and voting for mccain.

by moevaughn 2008-03-07 10:21AM | 0 recs
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And the Canadian government has names, dates and time of when the Obama campaign contacted Ambassador Wilson with the NAFTA assurances.

You're shockingly ill-informed. Obama's advisor visited the chicago consulate to meet Georges Rioux, not Michael Wilson. It was not to talk about NAFTA, and the canadians called him (directly, not through the campaign), not the other way around. Goolsbee says the only mention of free trade was consistent with Obama's public position, and the Canadian government investigation has disclaimed accuracy of the memo.

Also, it was reported that "multiple reporters" heard the NAFTA comment about Clinton from Ian Brodie, who is the Chief of Staff for Canadian PM Stephen Harper. By the way, Hillary giving him immunity (or immunity to her staff) doesn't mean anything, since he is ALREADY in serious trouble for what he revealed - it is serious enough that Canadian news are reporting that it may cost Harper re-election, and it was probably illegal, so he's certainly not going to say anything more now, for fear of prison. (Which Hillary can't spare him from) So Hillary can offer immunity even IF she knows someone said it, because she knows he's not going to say anything anyhow.

(For the record, I don't think the evidence against Hillary amounts to much either, but the evidence against Obama is equally specious. If Hillary wants to attack him on it first and get the facts straight later, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.)

by mattw 2008-03-07 10:04AM | 0 recs
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That's some serious spin.  If someone spoke on Hillary's behalf and she says its OK to go public with who it was, then it's OK to go public with who it was.  That's all.

But Brodie made it up to cover his butt after it was exposed that he had meddled in a foreign election by leaking a memo that made Obama look bad.   If Brodie didn't make it up, there's absolutely no reason not to reveal the source.  

by dcg2 2008-03-07 11:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Fineman joins Olbermann lie about Clinton for

McCain/Clinton in 08!  Bring it on.

by Drummond 2008-03-07 10:21AM | 0 recs
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Please, get real.

by HillaryKnight08 2008-03-07 10:25AM | 0 recs
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She's already boosted McCain's campaign enormously.  Why not take the final plunge?

by Drummond 2008-03-07 11:09AM | 0 recs
Pure Smoke Screen by Obama

This is a pure smoke screen by Obama.  It is the Rovian tactic of responding to evidence of your wrongdoing by alleging any wild-ass claim that qbfuscates the issue.  Has anyone asked this Canadian official who at the Clinton camp made this alleged staement?  Where is the proof?  The only proof is that an unsubstantiated statement was overheard.  Wow, impressive evidence.

by Edward3615 2008-03-07 10:25AM | 0 recs
I will believe it..

when I hear names, dates, and times from the Canadian source.  Otherwise this is all just desperate backpedaling.  

by JustJennifer 2008-03-07 10:31AM | 0 recs
Re: KO drank the kool-aid

.
KO drank the kool-aid.
with  him suffering the Clinton derangement syndrome, the rage is uncontrollable.

just wait for him to slip up.
don't take much for him to spew
the ' B' word one day.

his self-anointed, self-rightous pompous
act is wearing thin. don't watch it anymore

by toddy 2008-03-07 10:35AM | 0 recs
KO has a BO problem

KO and BO, two very apt names for those two nasty beings.

by moi moi 2008-03-07 10:54AM | 0 recs
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repost this link because it is killer!

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jrFPk leRZmbmPtPxHBGNAPSzfUtwD8V5OLP00

by vivelosdiablosdelsol 2008-03-07 11:08AM | 0 recs
Fineman joins Olbermann in telling TRUTH!

Up is down.

War is Peace.

Knowledge is Ignorance.

Freedom is slavery.

And now Fineman telling the truth is a lie.

And I thought 8 years of Bush was bad...

by Walt Starr 2008-03-07 11:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Fineman joins Olbermann in telling TRUTH!

How is it the truth? how do you know this? It's totally unfounded and denied by one party.

by Mayor McCheese 2008-03-07 12:03PM | 0 recs

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