Rewritting history- sore winner style

The primaries ended, what last June?  Why isn't it that some of us are unable to let bygones be bygones?  Why are some of us so insistent on rounding up all of our ancient foes and putting them on the public square?  I happen to think one of the best things about Democrats and our party is our ability to respect differing views and when our own views prevail, that we tend not to act like children on a play ground.

You don't like the way Jerome handled himself during the election past.  OK, we got it back then when you complained about it and we get it now.  You should get over it and stop acting like a retribution seeking Republican with no ability to look forward.  Focusing on the past is one thing if it means progress for the future.  Focusing on the past for petty grievances is just that, focusing on the past for petty grievances.  

If you are so intent on being so cowardly, so unwilling to write about the future and what you are contributing to make this community and our world an even better place, then please, make your actual intentions known:  you are a poor winner, a sore winner in point of fact.  You are so bent on your own dominance of historical pettiness that you must insist on detracting from the pressing issues of today and the future.  You are the type of person that values the actual act of winning over the outcome the victory entails.  It is sad.

So, if you must have it in writing from another (as if you hadn't seen it a million times before): you won, you were right on your pick of candidate, your guy beat the gal and the other guy that we all wanted to beat.  I am very proud of you.

Tags: give me a break (all tags)



Go ahead

give it to me, I can take it.  I have been on many a playground in my life.

by linc 2008-11-29 12:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Go ahead

Now I remember why I stopped coming to MyDD. Are you guys seriously still writing these tit-for-tat posts?

by not Brit 2008-11-30 04:50PM | 0 recs

Pretty much 50% of the rec'd diaries on the site are either still fighting the Primary Wars by proxy or still trying to reconcile the factions.

I'm pro-reconciliation (I rec'd this diary), but I think MyDD has a very serious problem. Does anyone come here for anything but drama? Whether you are causing it or trying to solve it, the subject is still Obama/Clinton drama. The only solution is to force content (as opposed to drama) to take over the rec list.

by X Stryker 2008-11-30 05:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Go ahead

Thanks alot for this diary linc. As someone else pointed out, I think you nailed it. After suffering through 8 years of Republican corrruption, abuse of power, and mismanagement, I am just sooo relieved the Democratic party is poised to take over control the White House and has increased it's majorities in both houses of Congress, that I am unable to harbor grudges. We ALL won this time. Even partisan Republicans who voted for McCain won simply because he lost, whether they appreciate it yet or not. That's just how I see it with the number and seriousness of the issues confronting us, brought on in large part by Republican ideology that may look great on paper, but clearly has no basis in fact in the real world.

by phoenixdreamz 2008-12-01 03:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Rewritting history- sore winner style

My god, you totally missed the point of the diary you are trying to dis. Maybe it's time to grow up?

by venician 2008-11-29 12:39PM | 0 recs
Oh, I got it

and thats why you of all people are offended.

by linc 2008-11-29 12:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh, I got it

Offended? HUH?
Should I now write a diary:

Rewriting history: sore loser style?

Good Grief!

by venician 2008-11-29 12:51PM | 0 recs
If you are so inclined

and really do insist on not letting bygones be bygones.  Go for it, I wouldn't put it past you.

by linc 2008-11-29 01:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Rewritting history- sore winner style

So what was the point of that diary? Because IMO, Linc nailed it.

by skohayes 2008-11-29 01:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Rewritting history- sore winner style

The only thing he "nailed" is using Alegres old trick of instead of comenting in said diary, she would start a new one with a rearranged title.

by venician 2008-11-29 01:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Rewritting history- sore winner style

Did she also misspell words in her rearranged titles?  I can't remember.

Cool trick, regardless.

by SpanishFly 2008-11-29 02:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Rewritting history- sore winner style

The point of the other diary was to scream "traitor" at every user who didnt support Obama in the primary. This is after Obama won, what more do you people want? Dumbasses!

by bsavage 2008-11-29 01:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Rewritting history- sore winner style

Must you always resort to name calling?

by venician 2008-11-29 02:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Rewritting history- sore winner style

"The point of the other diary was to scream "traitor" at every user who didnt support Obama in the primary."

That's so hilariously wrong (and you probably realize that).  Even if you replace "primary" with "general" you're off the mark, although not totally in outerspace.

by Jess81 2008-11-29 02:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Rewritting history- sore winner style

Getting meta on the meta.

I love it.

by spacemanspiff 2008-11-29 12:49PM | 0 recs

It seems to be my MO lately.

by linc 2008-11-29 12:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Rewritting history- sore winner style

This site was a wonderful place to post, and visit, and I'd been coming here for years.  Then, suddenly, Alegre and crew took over, having fled DKos for whatever reason.  This turned into a place (and Jerome was always pro-Clinton, and that was fine) where one couldn't disagree with the high priestess of blogging without having minons downrate you constantly.  Where one person would blog nightly without saying much of anything, attacking "Barry" and posting bizarre diaries with titles like "And still she shines... like polished gold."

Good conversations dried up as sockpuppets sprung up brazenly to downrate and rec as needed.  The front page diaries were (and are) still quite informative, but whoever was tasked with moderating the public forum completely fell asleep at the wheel.

That's why this diary is on the recommend list with a whopping one rec (which has been the case for a long while).  The degredation of this site has very little to do with Jerome's support of Clinton (and disappearance after her loss), but instead with the lack of moderation after the Alegre takeover.

by ihaveSTILLseenenough 2008-11-29 12:51PM | 0 recs
weird that

I felt the same way about dailykos when it became straight Obama and Obama only.  Interesting how we have a shared perspective from different sides.  Can we move on now?

by linc 2008-11-29 12:54PM | 0 recs
Re: weird that

Sadly enough, it seems pretty much everyone has- to somewhere else.

by ihaveSTILLseenenough 2008-11-29 12:55PM | 0 recs
They will come back, I promise!

and to prove my intention to play my own little part in making that happen, I promise to write a whole series of articles on green, economics, fair-trade and conscientious consumerism as soon as the semester is over.

by linc 2008-11-29 12:58PM | 0 recs
Re: They will come back, I promise!

without rewriting history and then pretending like everyone who tries to set the record straight is the offender who needs to get over it?

by lockewasright 2008-11-29 03:48PM | 0 recs
Re: They will come back, I promise!

Please, no.  Can we keep TexasDarlin and Alegre elsewhere?

by mikeinsf 2008-11-29 07:01PM | 0 recs
Re: weird that

Please, for the love of God, explain to me why the bad behavior of people at DKos (and yes the behavior was abominable there,) somehow meant those of us who hung out here deserved to be accepted to the same sort of bad behavior; just in the inverse.

by JDF 2008-11-30 01:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Rewritting history- sore winner style

Just for the record at the height of the Alegre period I made the tactical mistake of posting a dissenting comment in one of her diaries and received twenty-something hide-ratings.  After applying personally to Jerome these were all reversed immediately and my trusted-user status restored.  Things were not quite so one-sided as they may have seemed and I have quite a bit of respect for Jerome's even-handedness.  I think his position, as he stated once to me, is that pretty much any point of view is welcome so long as we don't take politics too 'personally.'  That seems a fair comment and a pretty decent guideline, and would apply to our attitudes to his opinions as well.  Criticism is fine, personal attacks not so much.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-11-29 01:24PM | 0 recs

Coups on blogs.

Who knew?

by iDemocrat 2008-11-29 08:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Rewritting history- sore winner style

It's the old quality of the site, and the hopes that it might be what it was that keeps people coming back.  But you're right: after "the gang" arrived it went to hell, and after they left it was like it just went from one extreme to another: used to be that you couldn't disagree with Alegre: now that guy who's always posting about "Old Rodham Clinton and Hussein" is on his fifth diary.

by Jess81 2008-11-29 10:38PM | 0 recs


But my diary was about dishonesty.  CURRENT dishonesty.  It may look back for evidence but I'm discussing the MyDD we have today.

I like your diary, though, and will Rec it, in the spirit of fairness and good humor.

by SpanishFly 2008-11-29 01:06PM | 0 recs
Re: LOL!

That's funny, I didn't get that at all from your diary.

by skohayes 2008-11-29 01:10PM | 0 recs
Re: LOL!

I did.  Just saying.

by Jess81 2008-11-29 01:19PM | 0 recs
Re: LOL!

Of course YOU did.  Just sayin', too.

by ChitownDenny 2008-11-29 01:21PM | 0 recs
Re: LOL!

It seems to have genuinely gotten under your skin.  Why do you think that is?- it wasn't really about you.

by Jess81 2008-11-29 01:24PM | 0 recs
Re: LOL!

I beg your pardon?  spanishfly, er sillyfick, didn't post a diary quoting my words, words meant for reconcilliation, and it wasn't about me?  He didn't trash Jerome.  He didn't have rec'ers?  Please!

by ChitownDenny 2008-11-29 01:28PM | 0 recs
Re: LOL!

Gotta give you credit.  You use puppets so to cover your ass, now you accuse me of being someone else too.  You're awesome.  Are you sure you aren't a Republican?  This one is right out of their trickbag.

by SpanishFly 2008-11-29 01:33PM | 0 recs
Re: LOL!

That's exactly what he is, and why he's so upset. You're blowing his cover.

by venician 2008-11-29 01:44PM | 0 recs
Re: LOL!

No, not really.

For someone with your tag, you throw out more HRs and personal attacks then anyone on this site.  I may have mistaken that for something getting to you, but you may just be like that.

by Jess81 2008-11-29 01:43PM | 0 recs
Re: LOL!

Because Spanish Fly hit to close to home for chi. and it appears he thinks he was outed.

by venician 2008-11-29 01:29PM | 0 recs
Re: LOL!

For example: when a certain frontpager who's been horribly embarrassed this year, and yet won't stop posting diary after diary about how wrong everyone else has been, I wrote "that's really big of you to see where your misperceptions were, and to promise to try to do better.  It's all any of us can do" or something like that and I was buried in mojo.

by Jess81 2008-11-29 01:24PM | 0 recs
Re: LOL!

Can the official MyDD censor please explain why

"Re: LOL! (1.66 / 3)

I did.  Just saying."

is worthy of a troll-rate?  Please explain my ideological impurity and I promise to purify myself to your satisfaction.

by Jess81 2008-11-29 02:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Rewritting history- sore winner style

Great diary, unlike that moronic one.

by bsavage 2008-11-29 01:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Rewritting history- sore winner style

I love the fact that the same people who rec'ed the other diary also rec'ed this one.

Make of that what you will.

by Jess81 2008-11-29 01:53PM | 0 recs
I was looking for...

...the comment thread on the impact of potential Obama administration national security appointments on the future of international nuclear non-proliferation negotiations. It must be around here somewhere...

by Michael Bersin 2008-11-29 02:08PM | 0 recs
by linc 2008-11-29 02:46PM | 0 recs
Re: I was looking for...

MyDD isnt that sort of site. We no longer discuss real issues. We fight about the past instead of the future and attack one another. That's just how we do things around here.

by bsavage 2008-11-29 05:01PM | 0 recs
The potential of Obama appointments

on future nuclear non-prolieration treaties must, of necessity, be severely entailed by the fact that:

For example i will never forget when you referred to HRC supporters as "ignorant white voters" during the KY and WV primaries.

Do you remember because i consider that pretty racist and we are still waiting for an apology.

Oops, wrong cut and paste.  Oh, wait, it works.

by Dumbo 2008-11-30 11:02AM | 0 recs

Oh, wait, it works.


by Michael Bersin 2008-11-30 02:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Rewritting history- sore winner style

It is funny that an Obama supporter would be so upset, after all his candidate did win. I would think that if my candidate won - I would be happy!!

by nikkid 2008-11-29 02:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Rewritting history- sore winner style

Like I said upthread, we're a very diverse and lively bunch.  It was a lot more fun on this side during the general election - sorry you missed out.

by Jess81 2008-11-29 03:09PM | 0 recs

I can't stand it when people make big long rants to "you" without providing a link to what or whom they are talking about. It might make you feel better, but for me, you sound like a crazy person who's hearing voices.

by riboflavin 2008-11-29 03:02PM | 0 recs
But I am!

Did you hear?

by linc 2008-11-29 03:27PM | 0 recs
Re: You?

I know what you mean.  The "you" in this case is the invisible flying vampire who's leaving all the jars in her refrigerator unscrewed.

Hopefully that clears the whole thing up.

by Jess81 2008-11-29 03:59PM | 0 recs
Yes, we wouldn't want to

accurately assess history in order to learn from it or anything.

by lockewasright 2008-11-29 04:01PM | 0 recs
This diary does not work as a stand alone

Either fix it or delete it.

by Carl Nyberg 2008-11-29 04:04PM | 0 recs
This should be good

please explain, I don't understand!?  Also, if I don't, what happens to me? ;)

by linc 2008-11-29 04:14PM | 0 recs
Re: This should be good

It doesn't even link to the diary you are rebutting.

But a diary that rebuts another diary should be a comment in the original diary, not a diary unto itself.

But you probably already knew these things and chose to violate the norms.

by Carl Nyberg 2008-11-29 04:17PM | 0 recs
Re: This should be good

You'll be slapped with a wet noodle until you pray to the Obama gods for forgiveness.

by SpanishFly 2008-11-29 04:17PM | 0 recs
It is hurting a lot to see all those Clintonites

now getting into Obama administration. Good grief, even HRC herself is now being considered for SoS.....I'm wondering whether the Docs would prescribe Prozac for this prolonged depression bout that may afflict several folks here...

by louisprandtl 2008-11-29 05:35PM | 0 recs
Re: It is hurting a lot to see all those Clintonit

Why would I be depressed? They are working for Obama!

Remember Obama said he looked forward to having Hillary advise him..

by obama4presidente 2008-11-29 06:12PM | 0 recs
well most of us have moved past the primaries

long time ago. Now we are more focused on the immediate perils that our dear nation face. Thus Obama needs all hands on the deck..

Some folks here, of course, are still suffering from the primary blues. Thus the headaches and the depression bout..:)

by louisprandtl 2008-11-29 06:17PM | 0 recs
Re: well most of us have moved past the primaries

Linc was a Clinton supporter....

by Jess81 2008-11-29 08:14PM | 0 recs
sure I know that very well from the primary days..

My comments were not directed towards her. It is intended for the same folks her above diary addressed to...

by louisprandtl 2008-11-30 02:34PM | 0 recs
It's going to be ok.


Engels is back, and the "Rodham-Clinton" moron makes a frequent appearance. Add that to the regular coterie of trolls, and we have plenty of buffoons to slap around till after the holidays, when wingnut idiocy will be back on full display.

Peace on Earth and all that. Happy Holidays!

by Sumo Vita 2008-11-29 06:48PM | 0 recs
Re: It's going to be ok.

This is the funniest shit I've read in ages.


ROFLMAO (and all that conveys laughter)

Dude. Seriously. I can't stop laughing.


Is it just me or is this a random epic hysterical post?

by spacemanspiff 2008-11-29 07:51PM | 0 recs
I think it's just you.

But in the spirit of the season, I'm glad to have brightened your day!

by Sumo Vita 2008-11-29 08:07PM | 0 recs
An Iron Rule

Those who say "let's not point fingers" know full well that the fingers point at them.  Hi, Linc!

by mikeinsf 2008-11-29 07:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Rewritting history- sore winner style

I haven't been away too long...or so i thought.  What happened here?  I thought we knew who the foes were and while they have made quite a few stops on this site, it didn't seem to divide us.  Will the primary wars last until Obama is no longer president?  Really?  Come on.  There is more work to be done.  We still have people without jobs and families that can't afford to have a Christmas. I believe there are better things to do be done with our time that flames wars on the interweb.  I believe Obama will be a great president but let's show everyone that has doubts that we support him and we support the American people as a whole and start helping each other out.  While politics has generally been a dividing force, let's make it a uniting one.  please.

by selfevident 2008-11-30 02:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Rewritting history- sore winner style

I'm a little behind here, so... maybe instead of just arguing over what was or was not appropriate in some other diary, someone could, you know, post a link to it so I can figure it out for myself?

by juliewolf 2008-11-30 02:48AM | 0 recs
Sometime after the Dailykos Strike,

this site morphed from a progressive political site into a sore loser crybaby site.  My only excuse for staying here is, well, it's not the only site I frequent, and I've been here longer than almost all of the crybabies, and, yeah, I guess the bad part of me loves watching the pie fights because they don't have that same kind of entertainment on awful, terrible, racist, misogynist sites like DailyKos.  Former Hillary supporters on those sites tended to reabsorb back into the fold quickly, possibly because of the exodus of the few persecution-complex losers.

by Dumbo 2008-11-30 10:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Rewritting history- sore winner style

The guy who wrote the other diary is named "spanish fly". I presume because he could not fit his  "I'm an asshole" alert sign in every post. But I think it comes thu.

Don't let him rain on your parade. He probably voted for bush. Probably twice.

by redwagon 2008-11-30 01:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Rewritting history- sore winner style

Agree totally!

Let's round up our ancient foes and put them on the public square!

by Bush Bites 2008-11-30 02:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Rewritting history- sore winner style

Yay! democrats won!  I personally think that we should divide this place by primary pick and play dodgeball.  That would work out a lot of this built up and seemingly infinite tension.

For the record, I hope all of us take a little time to be thankful that a fucking fruitcake, Sarah Palin, isn't a heartbeat away from the presidency; that should put things in perspective.

by KLRinLA 2008-11-30 06:33PM | 0 recs
For those interested...

I see a number of people here asking for a link to the original post that spawned this one.  Here's the link: 3/1496

I've posted a closing comment there and plan to move on.  Take from it what you will.

Note that the diary was rec'ed by 25 users.  This represents a significant number for this site these days.  What I think it suggests is that while I'm not a very good messenger at times, the message itself struck a chord with many here.  I hope the leadership here takes this to heart because it's clear most of the people here don't like what's happened to one of their favorite places in cyberspace.  

To those above who choose to call me an asshole and "shoot the messenger" I wish you well on your journey.  To those that posted support and additional examples in my diary, I thank you.

I'm moving on.  If the wars continue here, this'll be the last you hear from me.

Happy holidays.

by SpanishFly 2008-12-01 08:15AM | 0 recs
Re: For those interested...

It would be a shame if you left here, and the positive responses to your diary should be proof that your opinion is valued here. We need more voices like yours.

by venician 2008-12-01 09:07AM | 0 recs
While I don't think I'd ever GBCW ...

... I do seem to be coming here less and less.

Then I remember how much the trolls hate me and ...

" I feel this thrill going up my leg!"

You're always welcome at the Moose.

Troll free blogging.

by spacemanspiff 2008-12-01 11:28AM | 0 recs
Happy Holidays to you, too!

Well, seems your POV is supported by "long-time conttibutors".  BTW, your participation on this site is documented as being short-lived, at best, divisive, at worst...

"Oh, and Denny, I'm also posting at Kos and AmericaBlog regularly.  It doesn't stop me from peaking in here, a site I used to admire, to view the carnage that carelessness created.  Had Jerome followed my advice (and the advice of many solid contributors here at the time) this site wouldn't be a fucking laughingstock."

You state you have been a regular contributor to DKOS, and Americablog.  Are you aware that the owner and main contributor of Americablog is openly gay?  If you were, and harbored no homophobic tendencies, I have no doubt this comment from you would not have been uttered by you:

"This diary (1.33 / 3)
Is yet another example of why this site sucks shit.  The fact that it ended up on the rec list is hilarious.  
You go girl!  Tell everyone how they should "get over it" now that the Obama team is setting an agenda and picking their cabinet.  LOL
I was with Obama from the start.
by SpanishFly on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 11:14:23 AM EST

REALLY?  You hate this site, you make homophobic slurs against me and participants whose thoughts you disagree with, without knowing the sexual orientation of those you slur, and create havoc among the weak of mind.  Your hate for this site, heterosexuals, homosexuals, and I assume, African Americans, Hispancis, Asians, Women, any who disagree with you, is better placed not on a forum where it can be documeted.  
Looking forward (HA!) to spanishmosquito, because spanishfly is documented!  

by ChitownDenny 2008-12-01 01:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Happy Holidays to you, too!

Oh!  Is there a correlation between sullyfick, spanishfly, and spacemanspiff?  HMMMM.  

by ChitownDenny 2008-12-01 02:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Happy Holidays to you, too!

You are only making yourself look more the fool by trying to accuse Spliff of what you in fact are doing.

by venician 2008-12-01 03:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Happy Holidays to you, too!

V, please refer to above comment; i.e., "weak of mind".  I know you have to have the last word, so have at it because, eom.

by ChitownDenny 2008-12-01 03:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Happy Holidays to you, too!

Just saw this.

You seriously think I have the time you have to not only create sockpuppets but post and have them engage?



That's funny.

Whatever dude.

Have fun with policechief and fireman loser.

by spacemanspiff 2008-12-01 05:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Rewritting history- sore winner style

At a certain point, the best way to move on is to, you know, move on.

by Captain Bathrobe 2008-12-01 12:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Rewritting history- sore winner style

Not addressed to anyone in particular.

by Captain Bathrobe 2008-12-01 03:58PM | 0 recs


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