Howard Dean strikes again. Fuzzy on Dem party platform

It's been a while since I've had to drag out my Howard Dean scream, but the other day, Mr. Dean reminded me, that there is still some life left in the mouth that roars.
   A couple of days ago, Dean was on the 700 Club, and the subject of gay marriage came up and Mr. Dean said the following;

"The 2004 Democratic platform says that marriage is between a man and a woman. That's what it says. I think we may take exception with some religious leaders in that we believe in inclusion, and that everybody deserves to live with respect, dignity, and equal right under the law".

Really, the 2004 Democratic platform I know doesn't say that at all. This is what it says.

We support full inclusion of gay and lesbian families in the life of our nation. We also seek equal responsibilities, benefits and protections for these families.

Can you say OOPS!!!???

Either Dean has some fuzziness with the Democratic party platform, or he just out and out screwed up. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt here, but this is just one more example of Dean being a less than stellar pick to lead the Democrats. Sometimes, Dean can be right on, rebutting Republican talking points and making a great case for Democrats and their agenda, and then he has times like this.

Tags: 700 Club, Democratic Party, Howard Dean (all tags)



Liebermanlives stirke again. Fuzzy on timeliness
Oh my, I believe this was covered on the front page in the last 24 hours.
by KTinTX 2006-05-11 11:28AM | 0 recs
Wasn't covered at MyDD

Not hear it wasn't. Why am I not surprised!!!

by liebermanlives 2006-05-11 11:35AM | 0 recs
It was covered, I don't know if it was front page

Here is the link

Now, out of curiosity, what is Lieberman's position on gay marriage?

by molly bloom 2006-05-11 11:40AM | 0 recs
Lieberman and Platform

I am not sure where the issue was covered myself, as for Liebermans record on the issue is mixed.  He says he is opposed to gay marriage and was one of 85 Senators to vote for the DOMA in 1996.  In 2006 he voted against the federal US amendment, which failed, but was unclear if he was voting against this version of any amendment, looking at it in an obetive manner he votes with the majority opinion on this issue.

by THE MODERATE 2006-05-11 12:27PM | 0 recs
So Liebermanlives is

ragging Dean because....

by molly bloom 2006-05-11 03:18PM | 0 recs
Re: So Liebermanlives is

Because he is the party chair and can't seem to remember his own platform. Rather strange dontcha think??

by liebermanlives 2006-05-12 05:33AM | 0 recs
The same as the Democrats

Something the screamer doesn't seem to remember

by liebermanlives 2006-05-11 12:00PM | 0 recs
Re: The same as the Democrats

The loser can't even remember that G.W. is the bad guy and Iraq was a bad idea.

Go Lamont.

by teknofyl 2006-05-11 12:34PM | 0 recs
Howard Admitted he was wrong

On Thursday, Dean issued the following statement: "I misstated the Democratic Party's platform, which does not say that marriage should be limited to a man and a woman but says the party is committed to full inclusion of gay and lesbian families in the life of our nation and leaves the issue to the states to decide. The Democratic Party remains committed to equal protection under the law for all Americans. How we achieve that goal continues to be the subject of a contentious debate, but our party continues to oppose constitutional amendments that seek to short-circuit the debate on how to achieve equality for all Americans."

So when is Lieberman going to admit he was wrong about Iraq?

by molly bloom 2006-05-11 03:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Howard Admitted he was wrong

Yeah, Howard admitted he was wrong, after a near riot by gays and lesbians everywhere.

by liebermanlives 2006-05-12 05:34AM | 0 recs
Re: The same as the Democrats

Wow. You are really enjoying the opportunity to act like a troll on this one aren't you. Get a life (and get a new hero).

by Andrew C White 2006-05-11 05:45PM | 0 recs
Re: The same as the Democrats

Why should I get a new hero. This one will do fine. What's the matter Andrew, I can't bring up the fact that Howie screwed up?? This is your leader. Defend him, and don't attack me for telling the truth.

by liebermanlives 2006-05-12 05:36AM | 0 recs
Re: The same as the Democrats

You were engaging far too much in enjoying yourself to make it worth much trouble other then to call it bs.

Which I did.

by Andrew C White 2006-05-13 03:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Howard Dean strikes again. Fuzzy on Dem party

I wouldn't let my dog anywhere near the 700 "Club."

by blues 2006-05-11 01:57PM | 0 recs
I agree Blues

Question is why Dean went there himself??

by liebermanlives 2006-05-11 02:07PM | 0 recs
Re: I agree Blues

On this we agree... WTF would any self-respecting rational person go the 700 club?

It's a frikkin' bizzaro world!

by teknofyl 2006-05-11 02:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Howard Dean strikes again.

Re: Dean changes his statement d30814.asp

by bruh21 2006-05-11 03:21PM | 0 recs
Ya got that right

Lucas- on both counts.

by molly bloom 2006-05-11 03:21PM | 0 recs
Re: I agree Blues

There is a difference between being a man or woman of God, and endorsing discrimination. This is a lesson that the Southern apologists had to learn in the Democratic Party, and sadly, I think it is one that they will have to learn here. Many of the arguments for slavery, and Jim Crow, although it is not talked about now, were based on Biblical interpretations that said the inequality under the law was 'okay.' Indeed, many of the arguments against gay marriage are exactly the same as the laws against people of color- ie, in 1910 or so- a Congressman actually wanted to pass a Constitutional amendment against marriage between blacks and whites. Indeed, much of the reasoning was that it was against God to have mixing. It's funny how all of this history has been forgotten. Which is how I am in part viewing all of this. That Americans fundamentally don't understand how history has repeated itself on these sorts of issues of equality. As for being Christian- now,  like then, you will find many of faith who are not all of one voice as the Christian right would have you believe. I am actually gay- but some of my friends are Evangelicals who are okay with the idea of a civil union which according to the polarized logic here- isn't suppose to happen. Indeed, someone I disagree with often- Andrew Sullivan- had an excellent essay over at about how people confused the Christian right with Christians. They aren't one and the same. If Dean wanted to talk to Christians- then he should have talked to Christians- and not confused it with the Christian right. It's funny for a guy who seemed to get soem of this in 2004, he seems to have forgotten this here.

by bruh21 2006-05-11 04:01PM | 0 recs
He's clarified himself.

Good, I'm glad he did. Subject closed. Time to move on.

by liebermanlives 2006-05-11 05:47PM | 0 recs
Deaniac admits Dean misstep, how about you

I am a Deaniac. And I admit he fucked up with the clumsy way he handled the 700 Club thing and then had to issue a retraction. Now when will you attack your boy, Lieberman, for his costly mistakes regarding the war and other things? If i am going to have a leader commit a gaffe, I will take Dean's over Lieberman's any day.

All your diaries seem so one sided and the tone is just akin to a little kid saying "nyah nyah my guy is better than yours"

by Pravin 2006-05-11 07:41PM | 0 recs
Those that can't...teach.

And thoe who love...well...scum in their political candidates have to mouth off. Thus Liebermalives.

by ElitistJohn 2006-05-11 07:48PM | 0 recs
Those who mouth off, do so

And then some who can't stand the truth, call others names. Thus ElitistJohn.

by liebermanlives 2006-05-12 05:31AM | 0 recs
Re: I agree Blues

The idea of gaining a voice in the "red states" is a very good one indeed. Perhaps the 700 "Club" may have been one of only a few, or no, openings. I used to work in satellite communications in the early 80's and, for some strange reason the 700 "Club" was given virtually a whole transponder on what was, at the time, merely a handful of geosynchronous TV satellites. This meant I had to watch this stuff for hours at a time! My idea is simply that, if I somehow found myself forced to go on that disgusting excuse for a "show," you can bet my first move would be to puke all over the "reverends."

As mentioned below, Dean has cleared up his statement. The gay and lesbian marriage thing was, I am convinced, a trap from the get-go, but now that is has sprung, we may as well at least make off with the cheese. So I guess we need to be endorsing it.

by blues 2006-05-12 05:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Howard Dean strikes again. Fuzzy on Dem party

Dean is pretty good. His biggest shortcoming is his lack of experience in the beltway circus. Even though he has done things that were clearly mistaken, I would again endorse Kerry. Gore would be very good. I think Edwards would be good. Hillary Clinton is doing all she can to make herself into a problem. Anyway, her hubby set us up for the whole Iraq debacle, in my opinion. Lieberman... should just enlist.

by blues 2006-05-12 05:48AM | 0 recs


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