Republicans ARE the party of ideas.[Update]

I want to write this diary to express my deepest apologies to Barack Obama. When he was pandering to Republicans and Independents by praising Reagan and the Republican Party as being the party of ideas I was really upset.

IMO the ideas that Republicans have had were and are distaster for the country. But today I've learned that I was wrong and Barack Obama was right.  

Yesterday I read this horrible example of misogyny by U.S. Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Memphis):

According to U.S. Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Memphis, she may be starting to more closely resemble another famous movie character: The psycho lady played by Glenn Close in "Fatal Attraction."

When asked about whether Clinton should drop out of the race on Fox 13's "Good Morning Memphis" program today, Cohen said: "Glenn Close should have stayed in that tub."

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Yes, a Democrat compared Hillary Clinton to a psycho bunny boiler because she won't stop campaigning and just let Barack Obama be crowned. And who do you think came to the defense of Hillary Clinton and commented on the blatant misogyny happily expressed by a Barack Obama supporter? Was it Barack Obama? Nancy Pelosi? Howard Dean? Ted Kennedy or Rahm Emmanuel who were fretting about the things Bill was accused of saying in South Carolina?

Nope.

The McCain campaign commented on it. Yes, that old guy's campaign whose supporters brought us "How do we beat the bitch?!" apparently took offense where no DEMOCRAT did.

"Fatal Attraction" comparisons are kind of TABOO but that isn't stopping the Obama campaign. Check out the story here. ABC's Jake Tapper's analysis is right on here: "I'd posit at the very least that it's not keeping with Obama's lofty campaign rhetoric to compare Clinton's tenacity to psychosis." The Obama campaign already had to repudiate one surrogate yesterday. Will they denounce this one as well?

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So strange to see the Republicans take on the roll of supposed "progressives" and calling out disgusting misogyny when it rears its ugly head. Who would have thought that the ideas that Republicans have is speaking up when people of conscious should.

Even though Barack says he doesn't read blogs if he should ever come across mydd.com and see this then I hope he accepts my apology. You were right, Republicans are the party of ideas.

[Update] The usual suspects launched into the comments section of the diary and failed, like always, to do the right thing. A number of the Obama supporters that have responded so far have failed to do the one thing that they should do. They failed to denounce, reject, condemn etc the really awful comment and analogy. Imagine for a moment if someone on our side had compared Obama's "winning" to something like similar and just as wrong. Imagine the outrage and cries of racism and everything else you'd hear. Can women feel the change and unity in the air?

Tags: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, misogyny, Reoublicans, steve cohen (all tags)

Comments

47 Comments

Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.

Yes, Obama is a closet Republican - and a moonbat liberal - depending on which state is voting next.

by SpideyDem 2008-05-10 04:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.

If not that, then someone who opposes universal health care for the sake of pandering to right-wingers, and calling the Republicans the party of ideas. Oh wait-- he just meant something purely abstract: they had ideas because they had brains.

by bowiegeek 2008-05-11 10:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.

Hmmm.

Well, given the fact you're ignoring Obama's entire "party of ideas" statement just like Clinton did prior to South Carolina, so you can make a political point that would fall flat if you allowed people to read the entire quote, I'm already disinclined to listen to any message you might have to say.

Then you post a quip from the McCain campaign, when even the blog you lifted it from notes they didn't care about Hillary Clinton in any shape, rather than trying to get a dig in at Obama.

After all that's done, any point you might have had originally is gone way, way out the window. Sorry, sir, but I'm afraid this is well warranted:

by ragekage 2008-05-10 04:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.

Warranted possibly, but unhelpful IMO.

by Falsehood 2008-05-10 05:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.

I know your position, Falsehood, but I'm not going to let him get away with this slime unchallenged. I've always addressed the concerns of real Clinton supporters faithfully and honestly- sricki, VAAlex, jarhead, Flint, etc, who support Clinton and don't feel the need to devolve into this meaningless rhetoric- so I'm going to pop this down as soon as I catch it.

by ragekage 2008-05-10 05:18PM | 0 recs
LMAO

You're a former Republican and now you're the judge of who "real" Democrats and "real" Hillary supporters are.

by LatinoVoter 2008-05-10 05:29PM | 0 recs
Re: LMAO

His metric seems to be who responds with thought versus those who respond without thought behind their words.

Your reply skews his comment, in my opinion.

by Falsehood 2008-05-10 05:36PM | 0 recs
Re: LMAO

Ahh, yes. Once a Republican, always a Republican. Functionally, with that attitude, you've got more in common with Republicans than I do. Congratulations, you should join the 28%ers- I'm sure they'll enjoy your company.

Oh, and yet you still ignored any of the points I brought up in favor of an ad hominem attack. Really, you love proving me right, don't you? ;)

by ragekage 2008-05-10 05:41PM | 0 recs
Pot to Kettle.

I gotta admire the way the call out people for doing exactly what you're doing and not showing any shame.

What was your response to my diary if not an ad hom that failed to address the issue? You got your panties in a twist about something the diary wasn't even about and then posted your family portrait.

You followed that up by making yourself the judge of who real Hillary supporters are and still failed to address the issue.  

Guess what? You're not that important.

by LatinoVoter 2008-05-10 05:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Pot to Kettle.

Heh. You've yet to address the points I bring up, which weren't ad hominem attacks at all. They were serious and biting dissertations on what you wrote, which you can't actually address as that would destroy any semblance of making an actual point.

Then you insulted me personally, just now; and then you codified my characterization of Clinton supporters between ones who actually think and engage the issues honestly, and the ones who spew rhetoric and ignore anything not convenient to them- as you did. Accurate, I'd have to say.

Nope, I'm not important. I'm just a guy on a blog fighting ignorance wherever I can.

by ragekage 2008-05-10 06:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Pot to Kettle....

You got no point.

You responded to something that wasn't even in the diary in order to avoid the issue. Nowhere did I say that Barack said the "ideas" the party has had were good or bad.

Your responses have been as apropos as the rantings of the crazy guy who hangs out at the entrance of my favorite greasy spoon here.

 

by LatinoVoter 2008-05-10 06:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Pot to Kettle....

You said Obama was cozying up to the Republicans, lauding them, claimed they were the party of ideas... without any of the caveats or explanations Obama gave on that statement. You continue to ignore it; but remember, just because you ignore it doesn't mean it's not there.

by ragekage 2008-05-10 07:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Pot to Kettle.

They can only do that, b/c BO gets about 1 billion dollar worth of free advertising courtesy of press.  b/c the press repeats his campaign's talkings points (including punctuations), but won't call his campaign on the shit it peddles.

Yet, right at the moment that they think their guy have clinched it, watch for them to emotionally blackmail you to vote for him.  

As someone wrote on the Confluence:

This is what I've always thought. The entire course of Human history hinges on me voting for their guy, but they can't be expected to be polite.

by ghost 2 2008-05-10 06:52PM | 0 recs
Yep, I'm feeling the unity

Where's my damn pony?!

by OtherLisa 2008-05-10 07:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.

Now WHY am I not surprised that you've completely ignored the sexit and hateful comment by Cohen?

Silly me for thinking that DEMOCRATS would be outraged by what he said.

by alegre 2008-05-10 05:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.

Gee, Alegre, I don't know. Why aren't I surprised you've never answered a hard question in the time you've been around here?

by ragekage 2008-05-10 05:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.

Speaking for myself, I've never seen the movie, so I don't think I have the context to speak to the comment. Of course it sounds like a horrible comparison, and I suspect I'd be more offended if I had seen the movie. (A bunny boiler?)

I think this shows part of the bias of any supporter.

As a Clinton supporter, I would see this diary as exposing a hateful comment.

As an Obama supporter, I see a diary that fits into the "Obama supporters are bad people" narrative. I don't want to defend Cohen, but my first instinct is to defend the implication I see against the Obama campaign, or that Republicans have the ideas. Also, my bias has an interest in ignoring the comment/changing the subject, because it not helpful to the case I'm trying to make.

It's not right, but I hope it helps to illustrate the lack of immediate sympathy.

by Falsehood 2008-05-10 05:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.

Fair enough.  Thanks for a reasoned response Falsehood.  And for calling BS on the comment upthread.  Maybe we need to try a different tack here in trying to generate discussion around this unacceptable remark by Cohen.

by alegre 2008-05-10 05:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.

Your diary worked fairly well (I'm afraid peace hasn't quite broken out yet) - I think being explicit is often the best tack, instead of expecting people to follow someone else thought pattern.

by Falsehood 2008-05-10 07:55PM | 0 recs
Re: duh derrrr. . . go listen to tory amos and cry

dude not helping

by obamaovermccain 2008-05-10 06:16PM | 0 recs
Re: duh derrrr. . . go listen to tory amos and cry

What is wrong with you?

by letterc 2008-05-10 06:22PM | 0 recs
Definitely feeling the Unity!

I should have enough freakin' ponies for a carousel by now.

by OtherLisa 2008-05-10 07:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.

Obama's insults are subtle.

First, he claims to take the high road, but he always manages to take a jab at others who he perceives as not taking the high road along with him.

"I would never say anything negative about a candidate, unlike that Hillary Clinton and her buddy John McCain who are so negative all the time!"

Obama prefaced a recent comment he made, saying that McCain "lost his bearings," with a dialogue about positive campaigning.  He then went on to insult John McCain on account of his age.

I think McCain's age and Obama's race will be the prime foci of the general election, however subtly or directly they are stated.  

by BPK80 2008-05-10 04:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.

Obama didn't insult McCain about his age.  The McCain folks claimed he did from the "losing his bearings" remark, which instead refers to losing touch with one's core values.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-10 05:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.

No.

Words like these are chosen carefully to remind people of McCain's age.  Just as "anti-American" is code for "anti-white" and "urban" is code for "black" and "small town" is code for "white."

Believe it or not, you can defend Barack Obama and still be objective at the same time.  I've seen others do it.

by BPK80 2008-05-10 05:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.

ummm... whoa whoa whoa why is anti-american = anti-white?

I am sorry but Whites don't automatically get to be Americans, you saying that a black person isn't American?

you know what, nevermind

by TruthMatters 2008-05-10 05:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.

Calling Wright anti-American, trying to imply that Obama was anti-American, both of these were cases where anti-American was code for anti-White.

by letterc 2008-05-10 06:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.

 now with regard to code, i dunno - but in my opinion, wright is anti-american, not anti-white.

by canadian gal 2008-05-10 09:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.

Was he anti-American when he volunteered to serve in the US marines for several tours in Vietnam, inspired by John F. Kennedy's call to "ask not..." or when he was part of the medical team for LBJ? Is he anti-American when he works to better the lives of thousands on the South Side of Chicago? Was he anti-American when he talked about how Bill Clinton was good for America (in the "God Damn America when..." speech)? Or only when he called nuking Hiroshima objectionable, when he called genocide against Native Americans objectionable, when he called the Tuskeegee experiments objectionable?

As Ammon Hennessy said to Utah Phillips, "You know you love the country. You come in and out of town on these trains singing songs about different places and beautiful people. You know you love the country, you just can't stand the government, get it straight! He quoted Mark Twain to me, 'Loyalty to the country always, loyalty to the government when it deserves it.'"

Was Ammon anti-American? What about Mark Twain?

by letterc 2008-05-10 10:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.

sorry - i stand correct it:  the comments he made from the pulpit selected to be included on the video that he chose to sell for the church are anti-american.

by canadian gal 2008-05-10 10:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.

How so?

by letterc 2008-05-10 11:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.

Have you listened to the longer videos? I found them very inspiring (not the anti-Hillary Clinton rant, that one I've never actually seen a full copy of, but I found it sexist and obnoxious from what I've heard of it).

by letterc 2008-05-10 11:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.

Oh stop with the "he was a Marine" crap.  So was Tim McVeigh.  Some Marines are assholes.

***A

by adrienne4dean 2008-05-11 05:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.

He was a marine medic, who signed up expressly to serve his country (taking time off from college to do so), who was highly regarded in the military, promoted multiple times, served multiple terms, and, after switching over to the navy, was given the extremely high honor of serving on the president's medical team. I'm not someone who generally glorifies the military, but that seems like a career that is hard to square with anti-Americanism.

Trying to compare him to a terrorist is rather tacky.

by letterc 2008-05-11 11:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.

I can't wait for the primary to be over so we can finally get rid of the republicans from this site.

by obamaovermccain 2008-05-10 04:51PM | 0 recs
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

you woke me up for this?

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-10 04:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.

In yesterday's diary by canadian gal, I mentioned one of my sticking points is the way that vicious attacks on Hillary Clinton were so obviously allowed by the party establishment.

This is a prime example. They haven't changed at all.

Steve Cohen can go to hell.

by OrangeFur 2008-05-10 05:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.

One of my sticking points is the way that vicious attacks on Barack Obama were so obviously allowed by the party establishment. Nobody ever stepped in to decry Clinton's unwarranted and baseless attacks on Obama. For instance, like how he's suddenly going to let Republicans repeal Roe versus Wade in liberal states, and how he loves abortion in conservative states.

by ragekage 2008-05-10 05:20PM | 0 recs
now you are just making shit up

by TeresaInPa 2008-05-10 05:55PM | 0 recs
Re: now you are just making shit up

Funny you should mention that. Google it. Prior to NH, Clinton slammed Obama in a mailer as being not strong enough on abortion issues, and prior to TX/OH, flipped to the other extreme. Check it out.

by ragekage 2008-05-10 06:02PM | 0 recs
Re: now you are just making shit up

Pot meet kettle.

by venician 2008-05-10 06:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.[Update]

Representative Steve Cohen can go fuck him self with a rusty pipe. I denounce and reject him thoroughly for this sexist bullshit. This garbage is sad and disgusting.

I'll be voting for Obama here in Oregon, unless Clinton starts campaigning on the idea of better health coverage, and not on the idea that she appeals to white voters more than Obama does, so I guess I count as an Obama supporter.

Pretty sad when McCain's campaign objects to the sexist bullshit before Obama's does.

by letterc 2008-05-10 06:19PM | 0 recs
Thank you!

by LatinoVoter 2008-05-10 06:59PM | 0 recs
well Obama has wanted republicans

in his administraton for a long time.  I say let him have them and see how that wins over democrats.  His Reagan statement was telling; his critque of the Clinton administration more telling.

So if he thinks they are so great, then he should choose hagel, lieberman (r-senate), colin powell.. there are plenty out there to choose from.  

Thanks for pointing this out again, that Obama thinks the repugs are the party of ideas.

by 4justice 2008-05-10 06:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Republicans ARE the party of ideas.[Update]

Do we really have to pretend that what Obama said was supportive of Republican ideas?  He was simply saying that they drove the national dialog under Reagan.  I know some like to be purposefully obtuse, such that they can misinterpret the comments to suit their own biases, but why are we doing so about things said (and discussed ad nauseum) months ago?

Anyway, the Fatal Attraction comment was stupid.  I haven't seen that movie, but that scene is pretty famous, and I have a rough idea of what it's about.  Shame that some can't keep their mouths shut when silly comparisons like these come into their minds.

by freedom78 2008-05-10 08:04PM | 0 recs
Steven Cohen is trying to pander to his voters

He is the only white congressman in a majority black district and that only happened because two other black candidates split the vote in the general election.  There are already black primary opponents lined up against him who have been endorsed by members of the black caucus.  He's doing anything he can to save his neck.

Steve Cohen is a sniveling weasel like many Democratic elected officials.  Personally, I think the blacks will dump him anyway.

by lombard 2008-05-10 08:28PM | 0 recs
Steven Cohen is trying to pander to his voters

He is the only white congressman in a majority black district and that only happened because two other black candidates split the vote in the general election.  There are already black primary opponents lined up against him who have been endorsed by members of the black caucus.  He's doing anything he can to save his neck.

Steve Cohen is a sniveling weasel like many Democratic elected officials.  Personally, I think the blacks will dump him anyway.

by lombard 2008-05-10 08:29PM | 0 recs

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