Richard Goldstone-MASS MURDERER apartheid hangman

Some thought the KKK was the only group to specialize in hanging blacks.


Recently, it has been discovered that Richard Goldstone , the man the UN is allowing to be the judge and the jury against Israel for defending itself in January 2009, was not only a judge appointed by the apartheid regime and its PM-turned-State President Pieter Willem (PW) Botha and served the purpose of apartheid, or "good neighborliness" in the words of apartheid leaders.

Goldstone ruled against the 1986 appeal of a 13-year-old boy who had been sentenced to jail for disrupting school as a protest against apartheid and increasingly draconian "emergency laws" used to preserve order and squelch opposition to the government. Goldstone, according to The New York Times, provided no comment to his decision to uphold the sentence of the lower court. 

In a similar case that year, Judge Goldstone ruled against two appellants who had been convicted for possession of a cassette tape that had a recording of an interview with Oliver Tambo. Tambo, along with Nelson Mandela, was a founding member of the ANC Youth League and later served Secretary General of the ANC itself.

The case, brought before the Transvaal Provincial Division of the Supreme Court, on which Goldstone sat, centered on whether the two young men had attempted to disseminate the tape on behalf of the ANC, thereby violating the Internal Security Act No. 74 of 1982 -- a piece of legislation that some human rights scholars have called a crucial weapon in the regime's "arsenal of terrorism legislation."

Goldstone commented in that case that Mr. Tambo's opening words on the recording indicated "beyond a reasonable doubt that the cassette in question was published or disseminated under the direction or guidance or on behalf of the African National Congress," -- a fact that, in Golstone's opinion, was sufficient basis to uphold the convictions of the two young men.

Not only this, but recently, YNet just discovered even more about this shady self-hating hypocrite.

During his tenure as sitting as judge in the appellant court during the 1980s and 1990s sentenced dozens of blacks mercilessly to their death.

Yedioth Ahronoth's findings show that Goldstone sentenced at least 28 black defendants to death. Most of them were found guilty of murder and sought to appeal the verdict. In those days, he actually made sure he showed his support for the execution policy, writing in one verdict that it reflects society's demands that a price be paid for crimes it rightfully views as frightening.

Even when it came to far less serious offenses, Goldstone sided through and through with the racist policies of the Apartheid regime. Among other things, he approved the whipping of four blacks found guilty of violence, while he acquitted four police officers who had broken into a white woman's house on suspicions that she was conducting sexual relations with a black man – something considered then in South Africa as a serious crime.


In another incident, Goldstone sentenced two young black men merely for being in possession of a video tape showing a speech given by one of the senior officials in Nelson Mandela's party.



Shame on anyone who would give this guy credibility. Who is he to tell a country that they are the "new Afrikaners," when he himself supported himself by supporting apartheid and killing others? There's really not much difference between this guy and German judges who upheld Nazism. He was "just following orders."

Another instance of Israel's enemies being shady and morally decrepid characters. Even the anti-Israel nutties cannot credibily even really defend Goldstone. They just continue to do what they're good at: spewing hateful tripe.

So Richie, next time you get on the bench, you might wanna wear your robe. Your all white one. Don't forget the hood either.

Tags: Israel, Palestine, Apartheid (all tags)



And somehow Goldstone's findings on the Gaza massacre and war crimes are made null and void?

"Yedioth Ahronoth's findings show that Goldstone sentenced at least 28 black defendants to death. Most of them were found guilty of murder and sought to appeal the verdict."

Did those 1,400 mostly civilian Palestinians, including over 300 children, who were massacred in Gaza over three weeks beginning in December, 2008, somehow come to life as a consequence of Yedioth Ahronoth's alleged findings?

Yeah. Israel is exhonerated. The Gaza massacres never occurred.

by MainStreet 2010-05-11 10:22PM | 0 recs
actually this should lead anyone to question

anything this man writes or says, given his actions during his tenure of apartheid judge.His credibility is dead like those blacks he sentenced to death. And Yedioth Ahronoth, as I showed you, isn't the only one who knows about Goldstone's support for apartheid.


(And no, you cannot turn back and say 'Oh Israel had relations with SA before 1994' because that has nothing to do with the task at hand nor did they ever endorse or enforce apartheid like Goldstone.The US, Britain, France, and many others had relations with apartheid-SA. Even the USSR, which didn't have formal relations bought diamonds thus helping their economy in apartheid-SA)

by Lakrosse 2010-05-11 10:46PM | 0 recs
The End of the Goldstone/Apartheid Brouhaha Plus Rabbi Takes Apart Dershowitz

Huffington Post (MJ Rosenberg)

"On Thursday, Yedioth Achronoth, the mass circulation Israeli daily, revealed that the foreign ministry was sending the word out to Israeli diplomats worldwide that the best way to "get" South African Justice Richard Goldstone for writing his Gaza war crimes report was to link him to the apartheid regime.

A Yediot "investigation" produced some half-baked evidence that Goldstone was implicated in the crimes of apartheid and, almost in passing, noted "that an [Israeli] Foreign Ministry official referred to the investigation as 'explosive PR material,' Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman plans to instruct his office to send the information published in the newspaper to all of Israel's representatives in the world to be used in their PR activities."

Within 24 hours, Jeff Goldberg, Alan Dershowitz, and Jon Chait jumped to it: repeating the Israeli charge.

But then, yesterday, Foreign Affairs magazine's senior editor, Sasha Polakow Suransky, took the Israeli foreign ministry's meme and blew it sky high in Foreign Policy's blog. Polakow-Suransky, the leading academic expert on Israeli/South African relations (and author of "The Unspoken Alliance: Israel's Secret Relationship With Apartheid South Africa") provided a timely reminder.

While Justice Goldstone's record on apartheid was outstanding enough for Nelson Mandela to put him in charge of investigating crimes of the apartheid regime, Israel had been (to the very end) the apartheid regime's closest ally and arms supplier."

Read on here:


by MainStreet 2010-05-12 08:48AM | 0 recs
RE: More on the Dershowitz backblow: Jeffrey Goldberg vs Nelson Mandela

Adam Horowitz (Mondoweiss)

"Sasha Polakow-Suransky, Senior Editor at Foreign Affairs and author of The Unspoken Alliance: Israel's Secret Relationship with Apartheid South Africa, continues to push back against the Goldstone smear campaign. I like how this is shaping up - Jeffrey Goldberg versus Nelson Mandela. I wonder who people will side with?

Polakow-Suransky writing in the Huffington Post:

Goldberg's and Chait's ongoing blog posts on the latest Goldstone uproar betray what is at best a naively ahistorical approach to current events and at worst a willful blindness to Israel's own sordid history of supporting a white supremacist regime.

After all, Israel was the most significant arms supplier to that regime throughout the 1980s and served as a lifeline for the apartheid government during a period when Pretoria faced growing international condemnation and heightened domestic unrest (i.e. protests by 80 percent of the population demanding their democratic rights).

Anyone who served in the Israeli army during the late 1980s, as Goldberg did, should be well aware of this history.

During these years, military intelligence officials from the two countries held annual intelligence-sharing conferences and South African military representatives came to the West Bank to view the anti-riot equipment the Israeli army was using against Palestinians. When foreign journalists in the West Bank encountered visiting South African military officials, the Israeli military censor was quickly ordered to hush it up. Back in South Africa, a large contingent of Israeli rocketry experts was holed up in the seaside town of Arniston helping the South African government put the finishing touches on ballistic missiles intended to carry its next generation of nuclear weapons. . .

There are many legitimate grounds on which to criticize the Goldstone Report, but Goldstone's past is not one of them. Rather than examining the historical record, Goldberg and Chait relied exclusively on the Yediot article in passing judgment on Goldstone's early career. Their posts, and a more recent one by Ron Radosh, fail to acknowledge Goldstone's crucial role in facilitating South Africa's transition to democracy by chairing the investigative Commission on Public Violence and Intimidation from 1991-1994. Among other things, this commission exposed the apartheid government's links to a so-called Third Force--made up of government security and ex-security operatives seeking to derail peaceful democratic elections.

The Goldstone Commission's revelations outraged Nelson Mandela, leading him to conclude that F.W. de Klerk's government had organized covert death squads. (For more on this topic, read the dispatches of British journalist John Carlin, the author of the book that became the movie Invictus.) Goldstone's work earned him Mandela's respect and, in 1994, South Africa's first black president appointed Goldstone to the Constitutional Court--hardly the sort of honor the great moral icon of the 20th century would have bestowed on "a man without a moral compass," as Goldberg calls him."

And so the hate Goldstone campaign is falling apart as quickly as it surfaced. Dead is dead, and there is no way that Israelophiles are going to undo the atrocities that occurred in Dec 2008 through Jan 2009.

by MainStreet 2010-05-12 02:53PM | 0 recs
Needless to say, Ronald Reagan, for purely racist reasons, supported Apartheid South Africa.

Still, it is interesting that this topic of Apartheid is so close to home for Israel, because that is where your Likud friends are leading Israel today. Perhaps Goldstone is only a reminder that when racism governs a country's policies, it creates the circumstances experienced by the Afrikaaners.

As for Goldstone, I would be inclined not to disparage him for his past, whatever it was. I haven't looked into it. What he saw in Gaza was what many news reporters also saw, what the victims reported, and what even Israeli soldiers confessed to. 

Gaza was a massacre of innocents for the sake of politics.


by MainStreet 2010-05-11 11:54PM | 0 recs
Goldstone is a mass murderer. the end.

Israel was protecting its citizens and it had no choice but to respond to never ending rocket attacks. Each rocket was designed to kill at least 1 person. So if the Palestinian terrorists had their way, at least 10000, if not more Israelis would be dead.

by Lakrosse 2010-05-12 12:57AM | 0 recs
RE: Goldstone is a mass murderer. the end.

Apparently ignorant of the circumstances, you continue to repeat Israeli propaganda, in this case, the true causes of the Gaza massacre.

Two months before the Israeli election, and four months into the ceasefire, during which time no rockets were sent into Israel by Hamas, six Hamas fighters were killed near the border, apparently by Barak's hand. Given the coming Israeli election, Barak was interested in counteracting Netanyahu's claim that Kadima was "soft on Palestinians," whatever that meant. Barak broke the ceasefire, expecting Hamas to reply with the resumption of rockets, and they did.

Hence, the purpose of the Gaza invasion was to show that the Olmert-Livni-Barak group could kill Palestinians as well as Ariel Sharon or even Netanyahu.

It didn't work. Netanyahu got a vote majority, and although Barak saved his ass, it was at the cost of 1,400 Palestinian lives. Palestinian life is so cheap that this murderer was rewarded by retaining his position as defense minister.



by MainStreet 2010-05-12 11:30AM | 0 recs
Lakrosse, are you really Alan Dershowitz?

You cetainly sound like him.

by MainStreet 2010-05-12 12:04AM | 0 recs
RE: Lakrosse, are you really Alan Dershowitz?

And whatever happened to Canadian Gal? Wasn't she a devotee of Dershowitz's?


by MainStreet 2010-05-12 12:06AM | 0 recs
RE: Lakrosse, are you really Alan Dershowitz?

And what ever happened to your alter Ego, your superEgo, I might mention, whatever his name was?

by MainStreet 2010-05-12 12:09AM | 0 recs
Another view of Goldstone (contra Dershowitz)
Goldstone helped end apartheid; Israel helped prop it up

by Philip Weiss on May 10, 2010 · 20 comments

Lately Israel lobbyists (including Jeff Goldberg with gusto and, more queasily, Jonathan Chait) have been attacking Richard Goldstone because he was a judge in Apartheid South Africa, responsible for many death sentences. At Foreign Policy, here is Sasha Polakow-Suransky, author of a new book, The Unspoken Alliance: Israel's Secret Relationship with Apartheid South Africa, on Israel's close friendship with Apartheid South Africa, pointing out the hypocrisy of this line of attack, which by the way is aimed at one thing, justifying the killing of hundreds of civilians in Gaza as all in a day's work:

Goldstone's apartheid-era judicial rulings are undoubtedly a blot on his record, but his critics never mention the crucial part he played in shepherding South Africa through its democratic transition and warding off violent threats to a peaceful transfer of power-a role that led Nelson Mandela to embrace him and appoint him to the country's highest court.

More importantly, Ayalon's and [Reuben] Rivlin's moralism conveniently ignores Israel's history of arming the apartheid regime from the mid-1970s until the early 1990s. By serving as South Africa's primary and most reliable arms supplier during a period of violent internal repression and external aggression, Israel's government did far more to aid the apartheid regime than Goldstone ever did...

[Netanyahu] categorically denied Israel's extensive military and trade ties with South Africa, calling charges of lucrative arms sales "flat nonsense" and accusing his critics of trying "to defame Israel."

In fact, Israel was profiting handsomely from selling weapons to Pretoria at the time. Writing in The New York Times, Thomas Friedman estimated that the two countries did $400-$800 million of business in the arms sector in 1986. According to declassified South African documents, the figure was likely even greater: a single contract for modernization of South African fighter jets in the mid-1980s amounted to "approximately $2 billion," and total arms sales in 1988-one year after Israel imposed sanctions against the apartheid regime-exceeded $1.5 billion. As the former head of the South African Air Force Jan van Loggerenberg told me bluntly: "Israel was probably our only avenue in the 1980s."

Declassified South African arms procurement figures (which exclude lucrative cooperative ventures and shared financing arrangements) reveal the full extent of Netanyahu's lie. The "independent IMF figures" he cited (which excluded diamonds and arms) suggested trade was a minuscule $100 million dollars annually. It was actually between five to ten times that amount-depending on the year-making the apartheid regime Israel's second or third largest trading partner after the United States.


by MainStreet 2010-05-12 12:14AM | 0 recs
RE: Another view of Goldstone (contra Dershowitz)

Lakrosse, does this article help to get you better oriented to the reality?

Goldstone's does little to change the war crimes that were conducted by Israel in Gaza over a year ago. It was probably just as bad as Sharon's massacre in Lebanon in 1982, even though the body count of innocent civilians and children there was consideraby higher. At least Sharon was finally condemned as a war criminal and never left Israel except for the US as a consequence.

Imagine that: the US protecting war criminals.

by MainStreet 2010-05-12 12:19AM | 0 recs

none of those weapons, if Israel actually sold any, were used to carry out apartheid as those weapons were for military warfare. The weapon that was used to carry out apartheid was Goldstone's gavel.

Goldstone's rulings a "blot?" Uhh he's a mass murderer.

by Lakrosse 2010-05-12 01:02AM | 0 recs
RE: hahahahh

Support of an Apartheid state is still support of an Apartheid state, especially when done in the context of an international boycott movement that was in the making.

by MainStreet 2010-05-12 07:55AM | 0 recs
RE: hahahahh

Support of an Apartheid state is still support of an Apartheid state, especially when done in the context of an international boycott movement that was in the making.

by MainStreet 2010-05-12 07:55AM | 0 recs
RE: hahahahh


Most African states broke ties after the 1973 Yom Kippur war and the government in Jerusalem began to take a more benign view of the isolated regime in Pretoria."[5] Ethan A. Nadelmann has claimed that the relationship developed due to the fact that many African countries broke diplomatic ties with Israel during the 70's following the Arab-Israeli wars, causing Israel to deepen relations with other isolated countries.[6] 

By the mid 1970s, Israel's relations with South Africa had warmed. In 1975, increasing economic co-operation between Israel and South Africa was reported, including the construction of a major new railway in Israel, and the building of a desalination plant in South Africa.[7] In April 1976 South African Prime Minister John Vorster was invited to make a state visit, meeting Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin.[5] [8] Later in 1976, the 5th Conference of Non-Aligned Nations in Colombo, Sri Lanka, adopted a resolution calling for an oil embargo against France and Israel because of their arms sales to South Africa.[7] In 1977, South African Foreign Minister Pik Botha visited Israel to discuss South African issues with Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin and Foreign Minister Moshe Dayan.

In 1981, Israeli Defence Minister Ariel Sharon visited South African forces in Namibia for 10 days[9], later saying that South Africa needed more weapons to fight Soviet infiltration in the region.

In 1984, Pik Botha again visited Israel but this time only for an unofficial meeting with Israeli Foreign Minister Yitzhak Shamir.[10] 

By 1987 Israel found itself alone among the developed nations in still maintaining strong, even strategic relations with apartheid South Africa (Among African nations, only Malawi maintained diplomatic relations with South Africa throughout the Apartheid era ).[11] On March 18, 1987 the Inner Cabinet of the Israeli government denounced the Apartheid policy of South Africa and limited Israel's security ties with Pretoria. On September 16, 1987 the Israeli Cabinet approved a series of measures designed to limit trade, sports and cultural ties with South Africa. Among them was a clause in the "measures" package stating that effective immediately, only colored, Indian and black students would be allowed to attend leadership courses held in Israel.[12]


by MainStreet 2010-05-12 08:02AM | 0 recs
RE: hahahahh

Links are in the original, but they work in this post.

by MainStreet 2010-05-12 08:04AM | 0 recs
I am just wondering

Did any of the black South Africans whom Goldstone sentenced to death actually, you know, murder the person they were accused of murdering?  I am just wondering because you seem to skip right over that question and it seems pretty important in terms of, you know, figuring out whether Goldstone unjustly sentenced them.

by Steve M 2010-05-12 05:26PM | 1 recs
RE: I am just wondering

Good point. Also wondering if he sentenced white offenders who were convicted of the same offense.

by MainStreet 2010-05-12 06:15PM | 0 recs
given what we know about apartheid SA

its tough to know. But he also sentenced people who did minor "crimes"

Even when it came to far less serious offenses, Goldstone sided through and through with the racist policies of the Apartheid regime. Among other things, he approved the whipping of four blacks found guilty of violence, while he acquitted four police officers who had broken into a white woman's house on suspicions that she was conducting sexual relations with a black man – something considered then in South Africa as a serious crime.


In another incident, Goldstone sentenced two young black men merely for being in possession of a video tape showing a speech given by one of the senior officials in Nelson Mandela's party.

by Lakrosse 2010-05-12 06:52PM | 0 recs
RE: given what we know about apartheid SA

Sure, I saw that.  But since you're repeatedly calling him a MASS MURDERER I wondered if you had any idea whether he actually sentenced innocent men to die.

Matt Yglesias noted yesterday that Goldstone went on to play a very important role in South Africa's transition to democracy and that Nelson Mandela himself appointed Goldstone to South Africa's Constitutional Court in 1994.  Like Yglesias, I find it hard to believe that Mandela would have installed Goldstone on the highest court in the land if he had truly been a racist mass-murdering executioner for the apartheid regime.  Can you argue with that proposition?

by Steve M 2010-05-13 11:00AM | 1 recs
RE: given what we know about apartheid SA

No Lakrosse cannot argue any proposition. He is just dovetailing onto a new propaganda campaign against Judge Goldstone to vilify him, as if that will somehow erase the war crimes that occurred in Gaza. At most it is a temporary distraction.

What seems to be more relevant is the fact that the UN is not acting on his Report, in what is apparently another example of exceptionalism. Israel gets to commit horrific crimes against families and children, but is given reprieve because, afterall, think of the Holocaust.

The Holocaust is being misused if anyone really believes that it erases war crimes.

by MainStreet 2010-05-13 11:14AM | 0 recs
RE: given what we know about apartheid SA

Well I think we all know how inclined the UN is to give Israel special breaks.

by Steve M 2010-05-13 01:43PM | 0 recs
RE: given what we know about apartheid SA

Not the UN per se. The US has had Israel's back at the UN for decades, blocking Security Council resolutions right and left on numerous human rights issues and illegal actions relating to the unending occupation and colonization of Palestinian lands which continues today.

We should be ashamed of ourselves. And now the UN is blocking action on Goldstone's findings.

by MainStreet 2010-05-13 03:13PM | 0 recs
An OUTRAGEOUS diary--inc. "mass murderer" and "self-hater"

The blinder-wearing supporters of the Israeli government NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO can rush to follow directions to promote calumny wherever they want, but when they call a Jew a SELF-HATER because he dares in his role as a jurist to issue a report critical of Israeli war crimes in Gaza, then you need know nothing else about where these hacks are coming from.

by Thaddeus 2010-05-13 09:06PM | 1 recs
a sad day for Mydd

this grotesque character assassination of Richard Goldstone is part of an Israeli government disinformation campaign, just as some of the comments have pointed out. I am astounded to find it posted here. I think you need 5 columns that seriously address the Goldstone Report and the indefensible attack on Gaza just to clear up the stench. I am speechless.

by brooklyngal 2010-05-13 10:17PM | 0 recs
this is what lakrosse wrote about rachel corrie

what gives this person, who engages in bizarrely heated rhetoric, the basis for diaries on myDD?

here's a random comment, on Rachel Corrie, posted by lakrosse in the past.

she committed suicide, knowing she was helping a terrorist group kill Jews and commit genocide. She also burned American flags in front of Palestinians to rile them up to hate Israel, America, and the West. Even tho she believed she was good intentioned, she only added to the whole problem.

by brooklyngal 2010-05-13 10:20PM | 1 recs
RE: this is what lakrosse wrote about rachel corrie

That is just vintage lakrosse.

There used to be someone around who would give him a paddle or two when he misspoke or lied, but he's now gone. Shame.

by MainStreet 2010-05-13 10:55PM | 0 recs
RE: this is what lakrosse wrote about rachel corrie

That person would be named Strummerson. Don't know where he went, but he regularly chastised lakrosse for his inane comments. We miss him, if only for that reason. I suspect that Strummerson has given up entirely on the two state solution, and is now in hybernation waiting for the Apartheid-One State battle, the next phase of the IP conflict.


by MainStreet 2010-05-14 10:46AM | 0 recs
RE: this is what lakrosse wrote about rachel corrie

Does anyone who has been there and considered it objectively believe that the two-state would ever happen?  I remember when I went over with the NJDC a few years ago for a weeks tour, there was a moment, when we were up on a hill surveying the many fences already in place, but noting all the things awry, that I concluded it just isn't going to happen. Assimilation and democracy is the only hope-- and I did get a bit of the latter by the end of the trip, with a thing called the Abraham Project, which was teaching bilingual all across Israel, starting with K-3rd, working its way up; the long haul, if they don't use the nukes on Iran before then, 25-40 years away.

by Jerome Armstrong 2010-05-16 09:02PM | 0 recs
RE: this is what lakrosse wrote about rachel corrie

It has been obvious to many who have not visited the region as well. 


In a different context, a 2 state solution has been tried before (read: India/Pakistan).  It does not solve any problems, and rapidly degenerates into a 3 state (Bangladesh) and eventually into multiple states.  Neither India, nor Pakistan are free of centrifugal forces.

by Ravi Verma 2010-05-17 01:59PM | 0 recs
RE: this is what lakrosse wrote about rachel corrie

Do we have any estimates handy of the number of Palestinians who will be killed, "decimated" to quote Jeff Halper's term for it, before a one state solution could ever come to pass, if ever? 25-40 years of what? I said "if ever."

Does anyone believe that Likud and the religious parties now in control of Israel do not know what they are doing by taking the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and preparing to declare Greater Israel? Will a left wing, now a paultry minority, somehow magically resurface and bring Israel into a state of true democracy where Jews and Arabs, excuse me, Palestinians, live together in equality and peace?

In my view, if a real two state solution does not come to pass, the Palestinians will be condemned to live in bantustans surrounded by Israeli military forces, kept in bondage, via "economic peace," in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, in a pseudo-state. Those who refuse will die or be transferred out. The international press will conform to the view that once a terrorist always a terrorist.

The next phase of Apartheid will be, not a nonviolent peace movement that never makes the frontpage, but a quiet death nell to any notion that Israel will ever allow nonJews to participate in governing Israel, whether it be original Palestine or not. We have already seen Palestinian legislators, who refuse the oath to be loyal to a "Jewish state," flee for fear of arrest and prosecution.

And it will be justified by liberal presidents like Obama, SOS's like Clinton, and all paid for by the US taxpayer.

What's there to hope for?

by MainStreet 2010-05-17 04:57PM | 0 recs
again, why is this rabid person writing diaries HERE is the question
the IDF and the Israeli state are well practiced in deputizing rabid American jews to carry their water. but this belongs with Pam or Debbie, not here.


Why should we have to read & respond to this? and what is the reason that it is up there on the most popular list? I've been reading myDD for years but lately.... {Jerome? you there?}
Richard Goldstone-MASS MURDERER apartheid hangman

Some thought the KKK was the only group to specialize in hanging blacks.


by brooklyngal 2010-05-14 04:41PM | 0 recs
I have to thank you and MainStreet

as the reason this is on the "most commented" list is because you guys have given me attention! And now liberals all around the world can read about Goldstone's apartheid past!

Maybe real liberals, as opposed to leftists, see the virtue on Israel and the evil in apartheid, not to mention communism and fascism and Islamism.

by Lakrosse 2010-05-14 06:31PM | 0 recs
RE: I have to thank you and MainStreet

You are up on the most commented list for a reason, but I doubt that you have the capacity to recognize it. Contact Strummerson to find out, as your insight is apparently quite limited.

by MainStreet 2010-05-14 07:30PM | 0 recs
RE: I have to thank you and MainStreet

If only Nelson Mandela had seen the evil in apartheid, maybe he wouldn't have appointed Goldstone to South Africa's highest court, right?

by Steve M 2010-05-14 10:00PM | 0 recs
although Mandela generally supported worthy causes....

he was not a God! He became a politician after being a political prisoner, so of course he appointed some apartheid people, meaning he didn't hire the worst of the worst apartheidists, so Goldstone wasn't THE worst, but he was bad. Mandela isn't perfect, like for example his ambivalence on people like Robert Mugabe. He also failed to keep crime down in the new South Africa. While I do honor his cause to end apartheid, he was by no means God. Also, don't forget that without De Klerk, who was SA's Gorbachev, apartheid may never have come down.

by Lakrosse 2010-05-15 02:26AM | 0 recs
RE: although Mandela generally supported worthy causes....

Is it more likely that Mandela couldn't find any candidate for the Constitutional Court aside from a mass-murdering hangman apartheid judge... or that you've gone overboard with this snap conclusion you've drawn?  I mean, your logic is that Goldstone was a judge under the apartheid regime, he sentenced some people to death for murder, ergo HE MUST HAVE BEEN A MASS MURDERER.  That's not the most elegant syllogism I've ever seen.

by Steve M 2010-05-15 09:37AM | 0 recs
RE: although Mandela generally supported worthy causes....

Strummerson usually took care of this kind of thing from lakrosse. Where the hell is he?


by MainStreet 2010-05-15 10:42AM | 0 recs
RE: although Mandela generally supported worthy causes....

Yeah, he has more credibility confronting closed-mindedness than, say, yourself.

by Steve M 2010-05-17 05:03AM | 0 recs
RE: although Mandela generally supported worthy causes....

Everyone's opinion is worth a listen including yours.

Lakrosse is not closed-minded; he's a right wing propagandist, whose lies are always self-evident, as in this diary.

by MainStreet 2010-05-17 09:21AM | 0 recs
Dershowitz’ Latest Outrage, Compares Goldstone to Mengele
Alan Dershowitz no doubt flew over the cockoo's nest this time around as reported by Richard Silverstein at Tikun Olam. Listen for yourself.

The Video:

or go to the LINK below.

Silverstein writes:

Here’s the latest from Dershowitz Watch: not content to label Goldstone an “evil, evil man,” and to claim his UN report on the Gaza massacre was a “blood libel,” and that the eminent jurist is a moser (betrayer of Jews), Dersh has now likened the him to Josef Mengele.  The context for the charge is a new line of attack which the hasbarists have developed which charges Goldstone with being an “apartheid judge” who “just followed orders” in personally hanging innocent South African blacks.


Judge Goldstone was an appeals court judge who ruled on 28 capital cases in which he upheld the punishment.  Only in two cases, did he himself render the first judgment of death (in the other cases he upheld an earlier sentence).  Alan Dershowitz is a criminal lawyer.  Never been a judge (and likely never will be after this outburst).  Likely knows next to nothing about South African law.  Easy for him to say what Judge Goldstone should’ve done 20 years ago during the apartheid era.

Of course, Dershowitz, being the intellectual slimeball that he is, omits the fact that Judge Goldstone delivered the critical legal ruling that began the undermining of the apartheid system.  No mention of the bravery it took for a single judge to write a ruling that he knew would be detested by the entire white power structure which had appointed him.  No mention of the fear he might’ve felt from the security services who were known to deal with the regime’s enemies rather harshly.

Read on at Tikun Olam:

by MainStreet 2010-05-14 07:34PM | 0 recs
re: although Mandela generally supported worthy causes....

i remember strummerson, but s/he isnt necessary to point out that this crap is a waste of ether. You have no idea how important the expose of the 3rd Force was—I was living in SA at the time, and it seemed like there would be another interblack war between Zulus and ANC, until this secret white-govt force was exposed. Goldstone's work here was immensely important. On the other hand, you, Lakrosse, have no idea what the working process in SA was, how Mandela positioned himself—not as a god or even a Fearless Leader but as the SPOKESPERSON of the ANC, where, as he pointed out, decisions were taken by the leadership as a whole. Your way of talking about political process is limited and barely juvenile. "generally supported worthy causes" blahblahblah "by no means God" erferferf. You are writing about a daydream of your own. "failed to keep down crime'— give him more six guns. 'Ambivalence on Mugabe"—, why that old reprobate. As I say, you don't have a clue what you are writing about. Nor, I suspect, do you have a clue about Israel. (And i can't imagine what you do or don't get about US politics...)

by brooklyngal 2010-05-15 10:24PM | 0 recs


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