Radical Islam: Where is the outrage?

As liberals, we are generally quick to criticize fundamentalist Christians, like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, etc. And we are right to do so. Their political views promote policies which eat at our personal freedoms and civil liberties. I, and the rest of us, are staunch supporters of minority rights, civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, free speech, etc. We condemn the heinous and terrorist acts of abortion clinic bombers, the Ku Klux Klan, "The Minutemen," etc. As enlightened people, we should always stand against those who preach hate, bigotry, and violence against others.

So when fundamentalist Muslims call for the abolition of freedom of speech, say that one should be arrested or put to death for criticizing Islam, that homosexuals should be hung, that women should wear burkas and veils, that Jews should be killed and Hitler praised (as many Islamists do, as the Brotherhood was founded by Hitler supporters), I am outraged. I condemn this sick ideology. But where are the people on the "liberal" blogosphere on radical Islam? Why does Islam get a free pass Christianity and Judaism do not get?

Why is the idea of Christian imperialism (ie the Crusades) wrong, yet there is always an excuse for groups like Al-Qaeda, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc. who want to create an Islamic Empire, or Caliphate? Why are women's rights so important here, but in Gaza, because Hamas is "democratically elected," is there no outcry over the treatment of women, forced under the veil, into submission, and into stoning at times? Bush and Reagan were democratically elected too, as was Hamas (supposedly). Where is the outrage against the general treatment of women in the Islamic world? (and no, Israel is not as bad. The Haredi are not the law, the modesty buses are rare, and the vast majority of the Israeli population, Jew and Arab alike, do not condone the Haredim and their crazy ways. Israeli women serve in all levels of society as equally as in America and Europe).

While we blog for gay marriage here, where is the outrage against the stoning of gays done in the ME, where in Iran they are hung, in Iraq they were illegal under Saddam and today they are hunted down like Dick Cheney hunts his lawyer, in Saudi Arabia they're killed as in Egypt (or jailed there), etc?

Minorities have no rights under radical Islam nor are they respected by Islamists. Bahais are disenfranchised and killed in Iran, Copts are brutally murdered in Egypt, blacks are being exterminated in Sudan, I could go on. Yet there is only one country in the Middle East where with one exception (the JNF which controls very little land) in which minorities have equal voting rights, run and serve openly and freely in parliament and government, protest without problems, but this country receives all the hatred on the left-wing blogosphere. Why are civil rights good for the Western world, but should we talk of civil rights taking wing in Islamic countries, we are dubbed "neocolonialists" or "cultural imperialists?" Or even "racists?"

There is only one free democratic country in the Middle East. People live under oppression everywhere else near it. And they do it in the name of religion. WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE. Now I'm not saying America should go in everywhere and spread democracy through guns as it has attempted to do in Iraq. But where are the BDS movements for these countries which are not ranked as free in the Freedom House Freedom in the World rankings? Apartheid South Africa had the same FITW rankings as nearly every Islamic country in the world.

And no, I will not accept "colonialism" and "imperialism" as justifications as to why criticizing radical Islam or Islam is wrong. Fundamentalist Christianity and Christianity itself are always the targets of criticism, and for good reason. But they are nowhere near the force that hardline Islamic doctrine is in the world. Plus, every country in the world except the US(since its founding), UK, Nepal, Ethiopia, Japan, China, Afghanistan, and Russia was colonized at a point by imperialists. Yet most of these formerly colonized countries are free from radical religious doctrine, or if there is religious doctrine in them, they are not as strict as in Islamic countries. I will not accept America and the West as the fault of every world problem, every societal ill, every armed conflict, and every fucking imperfection on Earth. There has to be some responsibility and accountability. Some will say "the 1953 Mossadegh affair is why Iran has no democracy." But then, what do you say about Greece and the junta? Or the countless other countries in which democracy has taken wing subsequent to a CIA coup?

Just as racist doctrine kept the vast majority of South African from freedom during apartheid, radical religious doctrine does the same in Islamic countries and communities. This is why radical Muslim groups across the globe are committing acts of gross terrorism and seek empire, as they imperialists they are. The US is not the only country to be attacked by jihadism. Countries who no affiliation with Israel or the Israel/Palestinian saga are attacked and their citizens terrorized by jihad.

I am a liberal. That is why I support freedom and civil rights for ALL people:Arabs, Muslims, and those who fit neither category. And ladies and gentlemen, this is why I must oppose radical Islam.

Tags: jihadism, netroots, radical Islam (all tags)



Re: Radical Islam: Where is the outrage?

"I am a liberal. That is why I support freedom and civil rights for ALL people:Arabs, Muslims, and those who fit neither category. And ladies and gentlemen, this is why I must oppose radical Islam."

Yes absolutely, and you can add to that list radical fundamentalist Hinduism, Christianity and Judaism. Religion twisted to justify violence and the denial of others rights and the imposition of your world view by force of law and or arms is dangerous and threatens democracy and the future of humanity. It seems to be growing like a cancer in all the world's religions right now.

by hankg 2009-12-24 12:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Radical Islam: Where is the outrage?

Islamophobia, which this diary demonstrates, is a insidious and dangerous condition requiring surveillance in the USA, as it can lead to violence and even murder, as seen after 9/11.

One site, Islamophobia Watch, is dedicated to doing just that.

Islamophobia Watch was initiated in January 2005 as a non-profitmaking project to document material in the public domain which advocates a fear and hatred of the Muslim peoples of the world and Islam as a religion.

Click on: http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/

by MainStreet 2009-12-25 11:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Radical Islam: Where is the outrage?

Outrage? Some data from About.com.

Nearly one-fourth of the world's population today is Muslim. The Muslim population is a diverse community of believers spanning the globe. Over fifty countries have Muslim-majority populations, while other groups of believers are clustered in minority communities on nearly every continent.
Although Islam is often associated with the Arab world and the Middle East, fewer than 15% of Muslims are Arab.

Countries With The Largest Muslim Populations (2009):
Country   Number of Muslims
Indonesia  203 million
Pakistan   174 million
India      161 million
Bangladesh 145 million
Egypt       79 million
Nigeria     78 million
Iran        74 million
Turkey      74 million
Algeria     34 million
Morocco     32 million
Iraq        30 million
Sudan       30 million
Afghanistan 28 million
Ethiopia    28 million
Uzbekistan  26 million
Saudi Arabia 25 million
Yemen       23 million
China       22 million
Syria       20 million
Russia      16 million

So before we take seriously diaries like this one, it is necessary to appreciate the tiny portion of Muslims who might be called radical, and the few countries that practice antiquated religious law. Modern democracies like Indonesia and Turkey and others have legal systems on a part of the US.

Islam is not a danger to the US unlike what Islamophobics would like everyone to believe. Al Qaeda is a threat, but their numbers are miniscule.

by MainStreet 2009-12-25 12:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Radical Islam: Where is the outrage?

You are setting up a straw man. Right wing conservative radical Islam gets no more of a pass then does right wing fanatical anything else.

Human rights abuses in Iran are as loudly condemned as human rights abuses anywhere else whether it's secular Communist China or Democratic Israel.  

Millions of people in the world have been killed in recent history by sectarian and racial violence much of it not involving or initiated by Muslims. Gandhi was murdered by a Hindu fanatic, Rabin by a Jewish fanatic. Ruanda, Uganda, East Timor, Ceylon and countless other places have seen slaughter on a grand scale and violence without a Muslim in sight. Third world countries across Africa, Asia and the ME afford little freedom and abuse woman, minorities and gays no matter the dominant religion in the country.

And the 10's or perhaps hundreds of thousands that have died in Iraq in a war based on a lie. Plenty to get outraged about in the Islamic world and outside it.

by hankg 2009-12-24 01:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Jingoism has its roots in paranoia

You rant: "I will not accept America and the West as the fault of every world problem, every societal ill, every armed conflict, and every fucking imperfection on Earth."

An argument could be made, based on History, starting with the Roman Empire, the Holy Roman Empire, the Crusades, the Great European Empires, The Western Expansion of those empires to the Americas, the cruelties great and small of the Roman church and the Reform Churches, and dribbling on through the 20th Century. That argument would certainly assign the dominant cultures and their armies (both military and religious) some culpability for the broad situation we find ourselves in. To conclude that we are blameless is just silly.

The radical Islamists suck, but they aren't unique in the world, but their twisted ideology did not arise in a vacuum.

A dispassionate observer, say from another planet, would probably just vaporize the whole planet after a cursory survey of the situation and an assessment of the prognosis.

by QTG 2009-12-24 02:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Radical Islam: Where is the outrage?

To find outrage, you ought to tune into the BBC Middle East page or Al Jezeera English, where reports of extreme Islamic law consequences are posted when incidents occur.

But this, "this country (Israel) receives all the hatred on the left-wing blogosphere."

I just posted a diary about this notion, that the military occupation and colonization of Palestinian land is somehow to be tolerated because its criticism is anti-Semitic.

America participates indirectly in supporting extreme Islamic practices in countries like Saudi Arabia, and it tolerates human rights injustices and violations of international law by giving Israel funding and military aid. Radical Islamic practices in these favored countries is not an excuse to look the other way. America was a full fledged democracy when it tolerated slavery and later Jim Crow segregation. Israel is now in the same place as America pre1964 in its segregation of Palestinian citizens.

You must keep in mind that the kinds of practices you quoted are not seen in modern societies like Turkey and Indonesia, and for that matter in Iran, and that the majority of the one billion Muslims on this Earth are not extremists.

by MainStreet 2009-12-24 04:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Where is the outrage?

There are extremists everywhere who are dangerous to our way of life. Take this one (and I'm not implying that this guy blogs under the name Lakrosse either). He's a nutty follower of Meir Kahane and he is loose on our streets.

Americans Against Hate Chairman, and Meir Kahane admirer, Joe Kaufman leading a protest against CAIR's involvement in Broward County's Adopt-A-Street program.

"The South Florida Sun Sentinel is reporting that right-wing Jewish extremist, and one time vice-chairman of the Republican Jewish Coalition of South Florida, Joe Kaufman is leading the charge against one of this country's greatest security threats: the Adopt-A-Street program in Florida's Broward County. Kaufman is incensed that the county had the short sightedness to allow the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) to participate in its "adopt a street" program. And he's not taking it lying down."

http://mondoweiss.net/2009/12/if-this-st reet-gets-cleaned-then-the-terrorists-wi n.html

by MainStreet 2009-12-25 09:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Where is the outrage?

PS: This guy is an Islamophobe who would agree with everything in this diary. He pumps anti-Islamic hatred.

by MainStreet 2009-12-25 09:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Radical Islam: Where is the outrage?

Thank you for this post which echoes what I have been thinking for years.  I wish more people would stand up and speak out against the oppression which is present in so many Middle Eastern countries.    

by RobertNAtl 2009-12-24 04:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Radical Islam: Where is the outrage?

OK: Radical Islam is bad.  Now what are we  supposed to do about it?

by mikeinsf 2009-12-24 05:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Radical Islam: Where is the outrage?

I just don't know who these people are that make excuses for al-Qaeda.  I'm still waiting to meet even a single one of them.

by Steve M 2009-12-24 06:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Radical Islam: Where is the outrage?

Haven't you noticed that people are trading in their trendy Che t-shirts for Osama t-shirts?

You are right of course.  The problem is not that people apologize for 9/11, but that those who want to address the conditions in which al Qaeda thrives are labeled as apologists.  I would love it if we stood up to the Saudis even once about anything.  And our support Mubarak, while explainable in the immediate through realpolitik, only contributes to the environments that support this growth.  

And while I don't take MainStreet's view of HAMAS as an ultimately benevolent and legitimate arm of resistance, their emphases are not the same as al Qaeda's.  While their charter echoes the transnational goals of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, with which they affiliate, and their perspective is theocratic to a degree, they are not nearly as interested in bringing about a new worldwide Caliphate as they are in alleviating Palestinian suffering, though I think they pursue the latter in counter-productive and unethical ways.  I also do not trust that they would consider a two state solution to be sufficient and permanent, as FATAH would.  But when the US enables Israel's settlement expansion and institutionalized efforts to "judaize" Jerusalem, we support al Qaeda's recruiting efforts.

And yet, unless one supports the de-contextualization advocated in this diary, one is labeled an apologist or apathetic about the bastards that bombed NY and VA.  The problem of moral discourses of "evil" is that they undermine pragmatic approaches to socially systemic problems that produce violent conflicts.

by Strummerson 2009-12-24 07:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Radical Islam: Where is the outrage?

Liberal though I may be, I think I do a much better job of parceling out the blame for 9/11 than this guy:

by Steve M 2009-12-24 08:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Radical Islam: Where is the outrage?

the thing is both D'Souza and the blogosleftsphere both fail to really blame Islamists themselves for anything. While yes the US is imperfect, nearly all the culpability is in the sick Islamist ideology. And that is what must be blamed on the majority part.

I mean, was the Treaty of Versailles an indirect cause of Nazism? Were the actions of American capitalist bankers part of why Germany's economic situation got to the point where Nazism got popular? The answer to both is yes. But most people blame the Nazis and ultimately the Germans themselves for Hitler. Islamists are not exceptions to responsibility.

Radical Islam is not caused primarily by I/P. Jihadist acts occur in countries with no I/P involvement at all, or even in countries which overtly hate Israel. I'm talking the global movement.

by Lakrosse 2009-12-24 09:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Radical Islam: Where is the outrage?

I get what you're saying, but for a world that won't even try to clean up the Great Pacific Garbage Patch, although they'd jump at the chance and go at it forever if someone told them that they could just blow it up.

There's a global shortage of outrage over lots of real problems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacif ic_Garbage_Patch

by QTG 2009-12-24 09:26AM | 0 recs
sorry, but radical Islam

threatens Western culture and the free world's existence, and forces millions of people into oppression and regression. Did you forget 9/11, 3/11, 7/7, the hundreds of thousands of blacks killed in Sudanese genocide, or the other countless people murdered by radical jihad? Did you miss that burqas are popping up all around Europe, anti-free speech laws there too, or terrorists attempting to get nukes?

by Lakrosse 2009-12-24 11:28AM | 0 recs
Re: sorry, but radical Islam

This is part of the problem.  Saying things like "radical Islam threatens the free world's existence" is bed-wetter rhetoric that leads people to respond in kind by minimizing the threat that radical Islam actually does pose.

Yes, they are very bad people.  Yes, they can cause a whole lot of human suffering.  No, they are not going to kill us all in our beds or make our daughters follow sharia law.

I saw a lady in one of those burka things a few months back and it was pretty creepy, but I did not feel the cold chill of Islamofascism crawling up my spine, I must confess.

by Steve M 2009-12-24 11:39AM | 0 recs
Re: sorry, but radical Islam

"threatens western culture" really? That sort of hysterical rhetoric is straight out of the euro neo-facist, teabagger playbook. The Muslims, Mexicans, gay athiests etc.,are threatening western culture(translation: white christian) The same groups made the same claims about another group of non-christians in the 30's.

There is zero chance of the return of the Caliphate to the Islamic world put that canard down with the elders of Zion and the one world comspiracy theories

by hankg 2009-12-25 02:50AM | 0 recs
Re: sorry, but radical Islam

I agree.

This diary turned into an Islamophobic appear from people like David Horowitz and Daniel Pipes, two Islamophobes and Likud Zionists, whose primary purpose is to pump up the stupid notion that there is a conflict brewing between the West and Islam. Pipes is an AIPAC supported Middle East specialist who testifies before Congress. He also runs Campus Watch where he threatens American professors who do not toe the line regarding Israeli propaganda.

The underlying motive of these jerks is to get America to attack Iran, to do the dirty work of Israel because Iran does not support Zionism. And the idea of having another nuclear power outside of Israel's control seems intolerable. Israel wants to be the only nuclear power in the region.

by MainStreet 2009-12-25 03:59AM | 0 recs
actually, there is a chance that a caliphate

could come back, given that Islamist groups overtly call for its reestablishment, work towards its founding, and a poll of Muslim support for a new Caliphate is extremely high.

It is absolutely not the same as protocols. Muslims are not the Jews, ever. How does radical Islam threaten our free way of life? Because radical leftists like you ignore that many Muslims hold views far to the right of us in the name of "tolerance," and their population is growing rapidly although their religious stays in the dark ages, for a lot of Muslims. This is mostly going on in Europe. But sorry, the fact terrorists and their fans want a caliphate is proven fact and possible.

by Lakrosse 2009-12-25 08:19AM | 0 recs
Re: actually, there is a chance that a caliphate

Islamophobes will say anything to demean Islam, especially those who use it to support right wing Likud politics like Horowitz and Pipes.

by MainStreet 2009-12-25 09:24AM | 0 recs
why can't we criticize Islam?

people here and all over criticize Christianity. is there some reason Islam must be protected from criticism?

by Lakrosse 2009-12-25 10:11AM | 0 recs
if you wanna see women subjugated,

gays killed, alcohol and all drugs including marijuana banned, and other freedoms that "liberals" are supposed to support, then go ahead, and don't mind radical Islam's growth in Europe. Once Europe becomes a continent under Sharia law and the US all of a sudden has few to no allies in Europe, and enemies who want to bring about a caliphate and more war, I wonder what you'll be saying. I don't oppose radical Islam because I think Christianity is inherently better. Its not. The difference is the non-Muslim world is mostly secularized, the Islamic world is not yet.

by Lakrosse 2009-12-25 10:25AM | 0 recs
Re: if you wanna see women subjugated,

I'm afraid to say it, but you know little about Islam and the one point 2 billion who practice it in, what is it, about 40 countries? If what you mean by radical Islam you are talking about a small group in Saudi Arabia accounting for less than one percent of Muslims, the Al Qaeda followers, nobody might disagree with you.

But dumping another billion people into your Islamophobic net is not appropriate. I cannot disagree as well that religious extremists like the Christian Zionists or the extremist followers of Judaism in Israel and the US are the source of problems in the world, e.g., the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

But to defame a religion on the basis of a small number of violent radicals is just outlandish.

by MainStreet 2009-12-25 10:54AM | 0 recs
Re: actually, there is a chance that a caliphate

Yes a minority of Muslims are fanatical kooks. A minority of jews are fanatical kooks and same for Christians , Hindu's etc., there are even examples of secular extremist leftist kooks as in Cambodia and the Shining Path Maoists nuts in Peru.

The chances of the establishment of the Caliphate in the Islamic world ZERO. In Europe ZERO times infinity. Of Fundamentalist Islam conquering Europe, America or the Islamic world ZERO.

Trying to demonize a group to justify ethnic cleansing, common to all racist fanatics be they Muslim, Christian or Jewish. Well we have seen that before. You sadly have plenty of company with Birchers, European anti-immigrant facists, Osama and his gang of terrorists, the Israeli Hill Top Youth and assorted hate mongers.

by hankg 2009-12-25 09:33AM | 0 recs
why is everything with you types

skin color? Its blacks who are being killed in genocide by Islamists in Sudan. its radical Muslims who are the neofascists. I never said anything bad about Mexicans: I'm for allowing illegals pathways to citizenship and am against deporting them all. I don't hate Muslims as people. I just hate that radical Islam is a growing force in the Islamic world, and that European Muslims, who are offered everything on a silver platter, have been shown in polls to, in significant part, support anti-liberal policies, such as Sharia law

by Lakrosse 2009-12-25 10:27AM | 0 recs
Re: why is everything with you types

You are again attempting to defame, without any supportive data, an entire religion on the basis of a small minority of extremist followers.

Your thesis here could very well be summoned up by the radical Islamophobes and Islam haters in this country like David Horowitz and Daniel Pipes.

You diary is a clear demonstration of Islamophobia, hatred and prejudice toward people of the Muslim faith. Really sad to see this happening openly on a liberal blog.

by MainStreet 2009-12-25 11:00AM | 0 recs
Re: why is everything with you types

"European Muslims, who are offered everything on a silver platter"

You quote chapter and verse from right wing European neo-nazi groups propaganda. Of course here the minutemen and militia groups would insert illegal Mexicans instead of Muslims. So you oppose right wing hate groups that direct their venom against Mexicans or Jews but the same groups in Europe are OK as long as it's Muslims they are attacking.

by hankg 2009-12-25 01:20PM | 0 recs
Good thing

the Swiss blocked them from constructing the 5th minaret there.  Otherwise we'd barely be able to see the Alps.

by Strummerson 2009-12-25 03:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Good thing

Oh come on. You know better than to use cynicism with this crowd. They will take you seriously.

by MainStreet 2009-12-25 04:08AM | 0 recs

One of my greatest pleasures is watching the tranquil, snow-buried slopes that comprise the western Alps. Whether it's getting lost in observing the completely human-less processes of snow accumulation (fall) or reduction (melt, evaporation, wind erosion)... OR watching the humans that try to interfere incur serious bodily injury... Well, either way, it's a great show for a free ticket.

So there was no damn way I was gonna let ANOTHER one of them whatever-you-calls-its get between my eyes and whatever was behind them. I have rights y'know.

So I just tried to identify as many of THEM building another one of THOSE as I could (an aside - Ann Coulter's paint chip isn't nearly as helpful as she'd lead you to believe)... and we all came to an understandin'.

Anyway, I'm glad someone else brought this up. There's just no way anyone who has to wrap that much stuff around any or all of their body could understand or appreciate...

Hold on, looks like MS just left a comment... oh... my... well, MS makes a good point. You never know when some rube might actually believe something... ummmm....

... and to think my mother was convinced that my striking Rosanne Rosanadana impersonation would never be of any use.

never mind

[just a little Christmas morning {here} snark; now back to your originally scheduled conversation]

by RecoveringRepublican 2009-12-25 05:39AM | 0 recs

More cynicism. I love it but again there are people here who hate Muslims that may take you seriously.

by MainStreet 2009-12-25 06:52AM | 0 recs

The background of the minaret ban: racism.

Langenthal was the next battleground for the anti-minaret campaigners. In 2006, the city gave permission for the construction of a dome and minaret, on the condition that it wouldn't be used for call-to-prayer. After numerous complaints were filed with the canton's capital, Bern overrode Langenthal's decision to permit the construction, citing zoning regulations--and the absence of enough parking lots.

According to the Independent, "Switzerland's `stop minaret' movement is backed by the influential ultra-conservative Swiss People's Party, (SVP) which was re-elected in 2007 with its largest ever share of the vote after mounting an anti-foreigner campaign that was denounced by the United Nations as racist. "

http://www.menassat.com/?q=en/news-artic les/7155-swiss-fear-symbols-islamic-powe r-will-ruin-quaint-landscape

by MainStreet 2009-12-25 07:01AM | 0 recs
Sorry If I Wasn't Clear

The minaret reference in my earlier nonsense was supposed to be coming from the point of an ignorant racist.

In other words, if you thought "damn, my Dad sounded just like that" then I was probably successful.

The process of banning said minaret in my earlier post was entirely ficticious and was not inteded to represent or approximate any person or persons, real or factious. Unless, of course, you're a phobic prick, in which case yeah, that was you!

by RecoveringRepublican 2009-12-25 08:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Discovered those other 4 minarets.

And you're right, you can't see the Alps.

by MainStreet 2009-12-25 07:18AM | 0 recs

the Muslim hordes are moving their aircraft carriers into position, readying their artillery pieces, and training paratroopers in preparation for an invasion at this very moment.  And the left blogosphere says nothing, NOTHING!

by JJE 2009-12-26 05:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Indeed

Lakrosse is right. Where's the outrage?

by MainStreet 2009-12-27 01:35AM | 0 recs
The left tends to have a blind-spot

when it comes to radical Islam.

I suspect that there are a number of reasons for this.

One reason is that the left operates within a paradigm that defines US foreign policy as a matter of victims and oppressors, with Israel and the US as the oppressors.  When viewed in this way, groups like Qaeda or Hamas or Hez, are often seen as victims fighting back against colonialism and/or imperialism.

I think that most western liberals tend not so much to support such groups as turn a blind eye toward them.

Another reason has to do with GWB and the patented "War on Terrorism." Since the war on terrorism was essentially a bogus endeavor designed bolster Republican political power and move financial resources in various directions, this means that somehow terrorism itself is not really a problem... or should not be focused on as a problem.

Anyway, that's my theory.

by Karmafish 2009-12-24 07:31AM | 1 recs
Re: The left tends to have a blind-spot

 I disagree. I think what is mistaken for sympathy towards Hamas or Al Quaida is a more nuanced appreciation for the circumstances and history which brought about their emergence and spread, and for how the acts of counter-productive escalation of efforts to vanquish them using force further vulcanized their appeal and re-enforced stereotypes of Westerners in minds of the populations affected by both parties. If the standard reactionary approach to violent Islamists weren't failing so miserably, then a prescription of 'more of the same' would seem reasonable. Problem is, we're in a bad place with few options thanks to past decisions.

by QTG 2009-12-24 07:54AM | 0 recs
Re: The left tends to have a blind-spot

Before putting Hamas and Al Qaeda in the same sentence you ought to look up the history of Hamas and understand why it exists, and then appreciate Israeli propaganda toward Hamas and the Palestinians in general. Al Qaeda is not fighting a military occupation or a colonization of their lands.

See Peace, Propaganda, & The Promised Land, a documentary by specialists to understand where your beliefs and knowledge about the IP conflict come from. I know how difficult it is to realize that what one takes as knowledge turns out to be just propaganda, falsehoods. But sometimes we just have to face up to the reality and admit, I've been duped, taken in.

by MainStreet 2009-12-25 04:15AM | 0 recs
I think this guy points some of the

phenomenom out

by Lakrosse 2009-12-25 12:24PM | 0 recs
Re: I think this guy points some of the

How does that harangue, which contains not a single fact or smidgen of logical substantiation prove your case.  It seems like a baseless rant by a disturbed individual overcome by paranoia.

No one here supports or apologizes for al Qaeda or any of its allies.  But we think that these "phenomena" need to be understood and opposed.  I cannot condone the manipulation of actual phenomena in the service of pumping up Western hatred and paranoia until we become the caricature that groups like al Qaeda rely upon.

by Strummerson 2009-12-27 05:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Radical Islam: Where is the outrage?

The chief victims of violent hate crimes in Europe are not secular white liberals, Jews or Christians of any denomination they are Muslims. Spurred on by the skinhead neo-nazi rhetoric and racist screeds propagated by right wing anti-immigrant nationalist parties and repeated here by Lakrosse it's becoming open season on Muslims in Europe.

Reminds one of another period of European history. Where is the outrage indeed.

by hankg 2009-12-27 02:36AM | 1 recs
Italian Mafia: Where's the Outrage?
Let's profile all Italian's. Because there is a documented history of Italians and Italian-Americans terrorizing certain cities in America up to and including bombings and mass murderors. Sure most of the victims are other Italians but they might show up in my town. We just can't afford due process. Bomb bomb bomb. Bomb bomb Italia. Lacrosse logic. Or maybe Lacrazy logic.
by Bruce Webb 2010-01-01 12:00AM | 0 recs
One free democracy in the ME
Which exempts Haredi yeshivah students from military service even though they carry weapons to use against Palestinians. A democracy whose Foreign Minister proposes disenfranchising Israeli Arabs who refuse to swear that Israel is a Jewish State and also to serve in the military. A democracy which allows the Orthodox Rabbinate to define who is or is not Jewish and to pass judgement on the legitimacy of marriage. What the fuck kind of "true democracy" is that? Israel was a true democracy, one widely admired around the western world. Until Likud decided to tolerate terrorists who claim that assassinating Prime Ministers was protected political speech if it is in the interest of Greater Israel. Read your Bible goof. Joshua under direction of Y-h w-h moved into the Promised Land and proceeded to kill all the inhabitants of every city except the one he preserved to be hewers of wood and carriers of water, I.e. slaves (without the cover of an Arbeit Macht Frei sign). If anyone can point out the difference between this and Aryanism and Lebensraum please educate me. And rather than settlers (most of whom were not directly victims of the Shoah) doing some reflection on the horrific irony, the followers of Meir R and Avigdor L take Joshua as a fricking strategy guide. Greater Israel = Lebensraum. Why Lakrosse do you expect Goyim Liberals to embrace your brand of eliminationism? And where I live crushing young American girls with Army bulldozers is not a "regretable accident" not at least when too many American Lukidniks dismiss Rachel Corrie's death as "Bitch had it coming" As far as I am concerned Sharon can burn in hell and when the time comes accompanied by his little Bibi. Fascism is as fascism does and there is not a bit of difference between deliberately triggering Intifada by his armed visit to Temple Mount and Kristalnicht
by Bruce Webb 2010-01-01 12:44AM | 0 recs


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