Florida "protected" marriage, too!

Thanks to "new" voters, Obama turned Florida blue.

McCain received only 48.4% in Florida, or 3,938,166 votes.

Obama won 50.9%, or 4,142,174 votes, and took this swingiest of swing states.

However, the Florida Marriage Protection Amendment did better than either.  

In a state which requires constitutional amendments to obtain 60% to pass, "Yes" for "marriage protection" received 62.1%, or 4,758,737 votes.  "No" received only 37.9%, or 2,909,086 votes (including me and my kids).

Give the "progressive" Democratic voters the benefit of the doubt, and assume every single McCain voter was a "Yes" for "marriage protection".

And, give the Democratic voters the further benefit of the doubt, and assume every single minor party vote was also a "Yes" for "marriage protection".  (There were 14 presidential tickets on the Florida ballot, gathering approximately 61,000 votes in toto.)


My rusty math skills indicate that still leaves over approximately 759,571 "Yes" votes.  

In fact, under the above overly generous assumptions, it means at least 18.3% of Obama voters in Florida voted "Yes" to "protect" marriage.

A simple question - - if these new socially conservative voters have permanently joined the Democratic coalition, and weren't at the polls solely for the person of Barack Obama, how will this impact future Florida Democratic primaries?

CROSS POSTED AT FAR RIGHT DEMOCRAT http://farrightdemocrat.blogspot.com/ and anywhere else they'll let me UPDATE: I hope that this community reads this diary (information neutrally shared followed by a reasonable rational question) and then reads the first 3 comments below. Ask yourselves, "Who are the trolls that are destroying free discussion on this site, the diarist or the purity troll anonymous commenters?"

Tags: 2008, Florida, marriage protection (all tags)



by Dracomicron 2008-11-12 04:15AM | 0 recs
Re: In other Fox News...

It's so cute when the trolls try to troll-rate.

by Dreorg 2008-11-12 04:23AM | 0 recs
Well it does raise a good question

Is it really trolling when you troll trolls?

by Dracomicron 2008-11-12 04:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Well it does raise a good question

There are some among us who believe so.  And they'll attack you as being rude while they stand by as a-holes post divisive diary after divisive diary.

by the mystical vortexes of sedona 2008-11-12 08:56AM | 0 recs
Ah well

I'll just continue to do the right thing as I see it.  I don't mind what people think of me.

by Dracomicron 2008-11-12 10:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Well it does raise a good question

I don't think so.  Personally trolls should be either mocked or ignored.  Other than to correct them if they're spreading information.

by Dreorg 2008-11-12 11:37AM | 0 recs
Poor Selma Hyak!
by Sandy1938 2008-11-12 08:42AM | 0 recs
A pity, really

I'd much rather be the one addicted to suckling at Salma Hayak's bosom.  I suppose it's fine if we both like it.

by Dracomicron 2008-11-12 10:25AM | 0 recs
Re: A pity, really

Sheesh.  What does kosnomore have against Selma Hayek?

by Jess81 2008-11-12 11:16AM | 0 recs
I don't know

I thought she was great in Desperado!

by Dracomicron 2008-11-12 11:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Florida "protected" marriage, too!

Since you never post responses, I would say that the troll is you.  You're just a coward promoting his own blog.

by rfahey22 2008-11-12 06:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Florida "protected" marriage, too!

More than one blog.  See my response downthread.

by fogiv 2008-11-12 08:14AM | 0 recs

. . .how will this impact future Florida Democratic primaries?

Unanswerable until the next election and we know what or who is on the ballot. Also this may be the only issue on which these Democrats are socially conservative. Also we don't know how ingrained their position.  Can a number be moved over to vote for gay marriage? If yes they they really aren't socially conservative as much as terribly uninformed. The right loves a information vacuum. It's easy to fill with simple messages of fear and loathing.

Next, this is the second diary where you have attempted to link Obama to the passage of protect marriage measures. Fortunately the argument doesn't hold up.

My sense, and I am willing to admit it is a guess, that no matter who was on the ballot Obama or Hillary the end result on these votes would have been the same.

by jsfox 2008-11-12 07:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Florida "protected" marriage, too!
You know ksn, if you weren't such a single minded troll, who never comments in their own diaries and only posts diaries to try and get traffic on their own (wasteland of a) blog, you might get a good discussion.
Then in a fit of irony, you troll rate people who comment in your diary!!
How stupid is that?
by skohayes 2008-11-12 07:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Florida "protected" marriage, too!

Yes, FL did it too.

This doens't prove anything other than Democrats don't march in lockstep  on all issues, unlike Republicans.

I don't understand your obsession with attempting to make the Democratic numbers look bad all the time, unless you are Hannity or O'Reilly.

by emsprater 2008-11-12 07:41AM | 0 recs
Your blog is fugly..

...fucked up and ugly.

Get a life troll.

by spacemanspiff 2008-11-12 07:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Your blog is fugly..

As ugly as it is, his "Concerned Democrats for McCain" blog is even more an eyesore. Troll hunting is sooooo fun (and easy) sometimes. Note that the contact e-mail addy for both:



http://concerneddemocratsformccain.blogs pot.com/

are one and the same. This, ahem, "bloggers" name is apparant, and a little Google-Fu will tell you all you need to know about him.  

So, kosnomore:  did you get that $450 fine paid up?

by fogiv 2008-11-12 08:11AM | 0 recs

Maybe the mods will clean this garbage up.

by spacemanspiff 2008-11-12 08:29AM | 0 recs

I'd bet you money (or mojo) that they won't.

by the mystical vortexes of sedona 2008-11-12 08:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Your blog is fugly..

Haha nice catch... this guy repeatedly refers to Barack as "B. Hussein", yet now pretends to be a concerned Democrat.  By "Far Right Democrat" do you mean race-baiting, fear-mongering asshat?

Too funny that he deleted all his old posts in an attempt to cover his tracks, but Google cache is your friend. X1e17bEJ:concerneddemocratsformccain.blo gspot.com/2008_10_01_archive.html+http:/ concerneddemocratsformccain.blogspot.co m&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl =us&client=firefox-a

by thatpurplestuff 2008-11-12 08:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Your blog is fugly..

Oh my god, this guy is a total nutcase.

Anyway, I put it on a notepad - how about during his next diary we paste his entire posting history?

by Jess81 2008-11-12 11:39AM | 0 recs
Power word: real name

Ouchies for kosnomore.

by JJE 2008-11-12 09:37AM | 0 recs
Good catch!
It should be re-named "Concern Trolls for McCain" though. hehe
by Sandy1938 2008-11-12 10:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Your blog is fugly..


Wednesday, November 5, 2008
I'm taking one or two days off . . .

I'm taking one or two days off . . .

then I'll be back as FAR RIGHT DEMOCRAT.


I hope you'll follow me / sign up for my new site as a follower.

Posted by Barry Jay Warsch at 3:20 AM 3 comments

Translation: I plan on trolling Democratic websites, so hang out for a bit while I try to hide my past.

by Jess81 2008-11-12 11:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Your blog is fugly..

Heh.  Totally.

by fogiv 2008-11-12 11:24AM | 0 recs
Your numbers are off.

According to the exit polls, Obama supporters voted 43% yes and 57% no.  McCain supporters voted 81% yes and 19% no.  First-time voters only made up 11% of the electorate and they vote 62% yes and 38% no, the same percentage as those who were not first time voters.

by psychodrew 2008-11-12 08:28AM | 0 recs
Of course it's they're fault.

I thought that went without saying.  Don't we just blame everything on people of color, now?  

by psychodrew 2008-11-12 08:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Florida "protected" marriage, too!

So, you supported McCain?  Why did you lie about it?

by Jess81 2008-11-12 11:33AM | 0 recs


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