Obama throws the GBLT community under the bus

That didn't take long. Why is anybody surprised?  Obama has always been against civil rights.

When asked to specifically define his views on marriage, Obama has stated that he believes "that marriage is the union between a man and a woman.""Now, for me as a Christian, it's also a sacred union. God's in the mix," he added.

I guess now that he is POTUS he doesn't need teh gays.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/ 12/17/aretha-franklin-to-participate-in- inaugural-ceremony/

Aretha Franklin and Dr. Rick Warren, an evangelical minister of the Saddleback Church, are among the select group of people who will participate in Barack Obama's inaugural swearing-in ceremony on Jan. 20.

I thought Obama was a progressive. Looks like he condones homophobia and rewards people who practice discrimination against the GBLT community. This is disgusting and everybody who voted for this man should be ashamed of him.Instead of attacking me, answer the question. After you do that go to http://www.change.org/ and let Obama know what you think about this sickening choice.

Tags: Fraud, homophobia, obama, Rick Warren (all tags)




You have no problem with this desicion? Is the Koolaide that strong? Even at Big Orange hate the #1 rec'd diary and frontpage post are about this. Even Todd has frontpaged it here. I guess you condone homophobia and see nothing wrong with it.

by KnoxVow 2008-12-17 12:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Whatever

You speak as if this is no big deal. Says a lot about you.

by KnoxVow 2008-12-17 01:15PM | 0 recs
no, the way around this

is to NOT invite homophobic fundamentalist to speak at your inauguration.  There are plenty of religious people who aren't homophobes and who do not preach hate from the pulpit.

by Teacher1956 2008-12-17 02:16PM | 0 recs
Re: no, the way around this

It's also not okay to be a regular on a white supremacist website, but who's counting?

by Jess81 2008-12-17 02:46PM | 0 recs
Re: They exist?

So does the KKK- should we invite them too?

by bruh3 2008-12-17 04:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Warren and the KKK

So you are okay with the KKK so long as they stop advocating violence? Then we can invite them? It's the fact you see gay as different than black that will make this an impossible argument for you to win. You can parse, but eventually, we will arrive at where you know your logic already goes.

by bruh3 2008-12-17 04:35PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm not OK with the KKK

you are avoiding the question by answering a question that is not the point of contention. maybe what you are is someone with a vested position who is now spinning.

the quesiton was would you be okay with obama inviting a preacher who said that the bible says Jim Crow is okay,a nd that it should be reinstitute to give his convocation? That is obviously the question given the context of the subject matter being discussed here.

I dont care who you friends are or anything else you post. i want you to answer the question i asked. What you do with your life is also irrelevant to me. We aren't here to discuss your life. We are here to discuss politics and what it means for the rights of all gays. Or for that matter, how your theories would have affected my rights hisotrically speaking as a black person.

by bruh3 2008-12-17 04:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes

That's certainly a different way to see the world. It's along the lines of Sullivan, but , of course, the problem with the train of thought is that it assumes that liberty means a lack of responsibility. By Obama inviting this person it's an endorsement,a nd by endorsing what does that mean for policies that he create? You can say nothing,b ut that's not political reality.

by bruh3 2008-12-17 05:02PM | 0 recs
Well, fine

but there is now need to INVITE them to speak at your graduation or your wedding or your inauguration!!  Jesus!

Obama and his team made a major mistake in inviting a homophobe minister to speak at the inauguration.  

by Radiowalla 2008-12-17 07:27PM | 0 recs
If homophobic ministers are

speaking at events all over the country, then that's all the more reason for Obama to pick a minister who ISN"T homophobic to speak at his inauguration.  By picking Warren, Obama is lending his seal of approval to such bigotry.

by Radiowalla 2008-12-18 06:22AM | 0 recs
It's not a lifestyle

It's a sexaual orientation.  I would think, with your years of experience fighting for the LGBT community you would know this.  

by orestes 2008-12-18 06:24AM | 0 recs
Re: no, the way around this

His other religious guy who is closing the ceremony supports gay marriage ... not to point that out is kind of dishonest

I still don't like the Warren pick. He is bad on most issues progressives care about

by Lolis 2008-12-17 04:24PM | 0 recs
Re: no, the way around this

So- same question- should he invite someone who is against blacks and for them, against latinos and for them? Let's take your logic to its real conclusion- let's not limit this to the present hated group. Let's discuss all o them, to see if you mean whatyou say. S

by bruh3 2008-12-17 04:46PM | 0 recs
Your analogy isn't sound.

Being against gay marriage doesn't equate to being "against gays" in the violently hostile manner of the KKK, or even in the deeply prejudicial sense of your average bigot.

I too would have preferred a less controversial choice than Warren, but let's not compare apples and oranges.

by Sumo Vita 2008-12-17 06:58PM | 0 recs
A lot of racial bigotry

is cloaked in other terms- most notably, the war of northern aggression was about state's rights.  

by orestes 2008-12-18 06:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Vox

Yes, the super delegates should have picked Hillary, so what?  It doesn't change that there were plenty of other choices for Obama to make and he chose to throw the gay community under the bus.

I said long ago that if he has not offended your group yet he just hadn't gotten around to it yet.

by Teacher1956 2008-12-17 02:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Vox

Too bad Billy Graham's not available.

To avoid future mistakes, please submit your list of accepted homophobic ministers in advance.

by Jess81 2008-12-17 02:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Whatever

Are you able to make your point without personal attacks?  Just curious.

by Denny Crane 2008-12-17 06:01PM | 0 recs

Doesn't Kos hating it mean you must think it's a good thing?  Seriously, I wouldn't have had him speak, but I honestly don't give a shit.  He doesn't set policy; he gives a speech and goes back to his herd.

by username 2008-12-17 02:44PM | 0 recs
I disagree! He did not invite Anita Bryant for the


by Joshuagen 2008-12-17 12:51PM | 0 recs
Obama has not been as progressive

about GBLT isssues as we wanted him to be. In his desire to reach across the aisle he has gone and shakken th devil's hand. I have no doubt that GBLT civil right issues will take a long step backwards under Obama's presidency.

by ann0nymous 2008-12-17 01:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Really

Nice to see KnoxVow still trollrates comments without cause...  

Some things will never change.


by JenKinFLA 2008-12-17 04:24PM | 0 recs
It's the smidgen of control left in her life.

Troll rating, that is. That'll show 'em!

No KKKwarter can't be fun these days. All that bile spilling over, the retching, the stench!

by Sumo Vita 2008-12-17 07:55PM | 0 recs
At best

this was an insensitive pick. I'm disappointed.

by Neef 2008-12-17 01:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama throws the GBLT community under the bus

Can somebody ban this fool?  It makes talking about serious issues impossible.

If you cared about gay rights, which you do not, you would apply your standards equally.  Being against gay marriage is just wonderful to you, except if you're in Obama's company, then it's just awful.

That's the only guiding principle here.  

by Jess81 2008-12-17 01:48PM | 0 recs
Re: I'll get flamed for this

Because it's less threatening from a woman.

Seriously.  It's a variation on why black people can call each other things that white people can't - in one case it's a threat of violence, in the other it's not.

by Jess81 2008-12-17 02:28PM | 0 recs
Re: I'll get flamed for this

She had gay and lesbian people around her. She had a long history of surrounding herself with gay people. She had stood up for gay people against homophobes for over 20 years. Hillary had a history with us. Obama did not; which made me think he would turn on us when convenient. Which he just did.

by DaleA 2008-12-17 03:32PM | 0 recs
It's all over every blog and barely on the

Rec.List here. It seems that anything that tarnishes Obama's perfectly crafted and created image is not welcome here. Of course the Hillary haters and CDS sufferers start smearing as soon as they feel backed in a corner. Why won't anybody admit Obama messed up?

by KnoxVow 2008-12-17 03:40PM | 0 recs
Re: It's all over every blog and barely on the

Yeah, we actually were, - this is why a lot of us have been critical of Democrats besides Obama, including Hillary Clinton who you brought into the conversation.

But you don't give a damn about gay people.  All you care about is spreading your white supremacist agenda.

by Jess81 2008-12-17 03:44PM | 0 recs
Re: I'll get flamed for this

Yeah - she has a history of publicly opposing gay marriage and coddling homophobes.

by Jess81 2008-12-17 03:46PM | 0 recs
Re: I'll get flamed for this

Stop trolling my diary and my comments. You can always choose not to read it or comment. I have no idea what you get by smearing Hillary. What does she have to do with this? Obama messed up yet all you can do is speak ill of Hillary. Get over your CDS because it was your leader who picked Warren.

by KnoxVow 2008-12-17 03:50PM | 0 recs
Re: I'll get flamed for this

If you don't want people to comment in your diary, don't post it here.

Your reputation already precedes you with many around here, always has... in both names, KnowVox and your current incarnation... you have a tendency to stir the pot.

by JenKinFLA 2008-12-17 05:06PM | 0 recs
Re: I'll get flamed for this

Oh, and just in case people are wondering why people are discussing Hillary, it's because the diarist brought her up:

They laughed when we said Hillary was the progressive candidate.

Who is laughing now bots?

by KnoxVow on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 05:58:40 PM EST

by Jess81 2008-12-17 03:56PM | 0 recs
Re: I'll get flamed for this

I have black friends!  Really!

by username 2008-12-17 05:59PM | 0 recs
Please she openly and proudly walked in

the NY Gay Parade while Obama refused to be photographed with Newson, the gay mayor of SF!

Do you really believe that she would have invited and asked Warren to officiate at her inauguration? She's too politically astute for that, unlike Obama, with his inflated ego, knows he can get away with anything, thanks to the likes of you who cover for him and for his republican moves/appointments. The next four years are going to be hard to swallow!

by suzieg 2008-12-18 02:06AM | 0 recs
Gavin Newsom is not gay

by orestes 2008-12-18 06:34AM | 0 recs
You're right, I stand corrected!

by suzieg 2008-12-18 09:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Stood up?

She no longer supports DADT BUT Obama has decided to put off abolishing the policy until further notice. How's that for throwing supporters under the bus?

And now he chooses Warren.

by cuppajoe 2008-12-18 12:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Stood up?

She doesn't support a full repeal of DOMA.  Obama does.

I'll never stop being amazed at what she gets away with.

by Jess81 2008-12-18 07:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama throws the GBLT community under the bus

What is your contribution here? You and venician are the type of people who are always looking for fights. You are nothing more than trolls. What do you do besides smear the Clintons and attack everybody who says something negative about Obama? All anybody has to do is check out your comments and behavior on this diary. You already had to apologize once because you called Hillary homophobic in Todd Beetons post.

Re: If she did (none / 0)

She has, is, will always get a pass for her homophobia.

If you hold a cat by the tail you learn things you cannot learn any other way.
by Jess81 on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 07:03:20 PM EST
[ Parent | Reply to This |   ]

Stop abusing the ratings system troll and get over your CDS.

by KnoxVow 2008-12-17 03:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama throws the GBLT community under the bus

They laughed when we said Hillary was the progressive candidate.

Who is laughing now bots?

by KnoxVow on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 05:58:40 PM EST

by Jess81 2008-12-17 03:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama throws the GBLT community under the bus

I don't see that comment anywhere in this diary. Try again troll. Why don't you admit you are Clinton hater?

by KnoxVow 2008-12-17 08:43PM | 0 recs
Re: This is a joke, right?

Not only that, but she tried to bring NoQuarter over here with her.

The failure of that proves that she's only marginally more tolerated there.  Probably a white pride thing.

by Jess81 2008-12-17 04:03PM | 0 recs
Re: and for the record

Hey, I've been uprating you whenever Knowvox trollrates you for breathing.  Could you, like, return the favor?

by Jess81 2008-12-17 04:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama throws the GBLT community under the bus

Your comment, "Stop abusing the ratings system troll and get over your CDS."

My comment, "Seriously, coming from you"...?  

I have taken a break for here for a while but you certainly have not changed... you trollrate dissenting opinions just because they are dissenting opinions.  That actually violates the rules... look them up.

by JenKinFLA 2008-12-17 04:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama throws the GBLT community under the bus

My goodness, I feel honored that you mentioned me in your comment. You see folks it hates me because I outed it when it crawled out from under it's rock and slimed it way back on to these boards. Glad to see that others see you for what you are knowvox.

by venician 2008-12-17 06:08PM | 0 recs
Re: This is a joke, right?

Asking Jerome to ban assholes is kind of like asking someone to shoot himself in the head.  I came here in 2004 for the policy; now I come here for the lulz -- it's like pumapac.org with complete sentences and a kick-ass peanut gallery.

by username 2008-12-17 06:09PM | 0 recs
Re: This is a joke, right?

Jesus.  That sums it all up rather nicely.

Mad props.

by fogiv 2008-12-17 06:52PM | 0 recs
Re: This is a joke, right?

does it?  

some douche was suggesting the other day that any opposition to kennedy as senator to NY is a puma/primary thing.  it seems to me a lot of the so-called witty remarks are people who also cannot get over the primary even though their first-choice primary candidate is soon going to be president.

as they say - it takes two to tango.  i just await the day from most that the clinton comparisons stop and further that posters call out people (no matter troll or otherwise) that argue ideas that are anything but progressive (hint:  its not only the diarist).

by canadian gal 2008-12-17 08:02PM | 0 recs
Re: This is a joke, right?

Thank you for sticking up for me canadian gal. You always look out for PUMA's around here and it is appreciated. I present the facts and they smear Hillary. That is what they do best. Keeping fighting the good fight on this board.

by KnoxVow 2008-12-17 08:27PM | 0 recs
Re: I don't think she was sticking up for you

I'm pretty sure she was speaking of your CDS loser. Just take a look at the confrontations you are having on both threads that deal with this topic. Why the need to drag Hillary into this diary? Why do you take every chance you get to smear her? canadian gal is a PUMA who is more diplomatic about it and that is why I admire her.

by KnoxVow 2008-12-17 08:37PM | 0 recs
i think my brain just melted.

im not looking out for you nor am i a puma (not that this has any meaning now, since well - obama will be the president in just about a month).  

and friendly advice - chill.  none - i repeat none of this has anything to do with clinton, stop kindly please stop dragging her into this.

by canadian gal 2008-12-17 09:02PM | 0 recs
Re: I don't think she was sticking up for you

You're the one that enjoys confrontations. You're the one that needs something to hang your general ugliness and bitterness around.

Keep clinging to the myth that anyone here supports you. Humiliation must be your middle name.

by Sumo Vita 2008-12-18 03:37AM | 0 recs
Re: This is a joke, right?

Yeah, it does.

I don't know which douche you're referring to and I'm a tad confused why your remark is directed at me.  I'm not making any Clinton comparisons, nor do I need for hints about what MyDD has become.

I sincerely hope you're not suggesting I'm one of those "who also cannot get over the primary even though their first-choice primary candidate is soon going to be president."

If so, you're wildly off the mark.

by fogiv 2008-12-17 10:24PM | 0 recs
Re: This is a joke, right?

because you're cheering  on a comment that suggests that mydd is like pumapac?  btw - even though the diarist is despicable - he did not mention clinton did he?

and no i dont think you're in that group however many, many are and dont know it.  like say people who mention clinton in a troll diary or suggest that clinton would have/not have done things differently.  or mojo comments that do - you know that kind of thing.

by canadian gal 2008-12-18 04:38AM | 0 recs
Re: This is a joke, right?

I cheered on a comment that suggests MyDD is like pumapac because there has been a recent invasion of surly folks from places like TD's blog, Hillaryis44, and (gasp) the various and sundry pumapac havens.  The diarist did drag HRC into it -- it's posted and reposted throughout the thread.

While I appreciate any and all efforts to view things strictly from policy/position perspectives, it's nigh on impossible to accept criticism from a user who refuses to acknowledge their unwavering support for a politician who's policy positions are identical (or nearly so), or from users who chose to put policy aside and support the Republican fear machine, republican frames and tactics, and sometimes going as far as voting for McCain.  In such cases, it's clear that said users crtiticisms, attacks, and smears come not from honest disagreement, but from a from a far darker place.

I'm not suggesting there aren't assholish Obama supporters -- there undoubtably are, and I'm happy to rail against unfair criticisms or outright lies, regardless of target.  

Also, I agree that claims that HRC would have/not have done things differently are unacceptable, unless of course they are based on fact, on public record.  In this particular thread, much of the HRC related pushback directed at the diarist is accurate, and I have no problem whatsoever when the facts/record are utlized to illuminate true intentions and/or disingenuity.

by fogiv 2008-12-18 10:55AM | 0 recs
Re: I'll get flamed for this

Maybe you didn't know, but "she shines like polished gold".  I'm thinking the glow trumps all else.

by fogiv 2008-12-17 04:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama throws the GBLT community under the bus

Comment by KnowVox | 2008-12-17 17:55:58

Did everybody see how The One threw the GBLT community under the bus? It's safe to go back to MyDD and post there as well. I have been posting for 2 weeks now and have not been hide rated or banned. The place is dead and it woud be great to take it back to further our cause of exposing Obama as a fraud. The trolls and obots got tired of the place.

Posted at NoKKKuarter, with a link to this diary.

by PotVsKtl 2008-12-17 02:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama throws the GBLT community under the bus

A white supremacist?  Why am I not surprised.

by Jess81 2008-12-17 02:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama throws the GBLT community under the bus

Sigh.  Here we go again.

by Skaje 2008-12-17 03:30PM | 0 recs
Please, do bring your idiot friends back.

It would be nice to have some deadenders to humiliate for a change.

by Sumo Vita 2008-12-17 07:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama throws the GBLT community under the bus

Funny this diarist has proclaimed Hillary, who has exactly the same position as Obama on gay marriage, as "loved by the LGBT community."

by fugazi 2008-12-17 02:12PM | 0 recs

but she doesn't actually and she is not the one chosing to let a religious bigot speak at the inauguration.

by Teacher1956 2008-12-17 02:20PM | 0 recs
Re: funny....

When did she come out in favor of gay marriage?

by Jess81 2008-12-17 02:29PM | 0 recs
Re: funny....

Ah, Knowvox, so you can read.  Perhaps you can answer my question?

Perhaps you would you feel among friends if I put on a klansman outfit?  Would that coax an answer out of you?

by Jess81 2008-12-17 03:50PM | 0 recs
Re: funny....

Typical Obot behavior. Calling everybody you disagree with racist. Get over your CDS.

by KnoxVow 2008-12-17 03:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Answer my fucking question

No. I will not go out with you. Now leave me alone!

by KnoxVow 2008-12-17 04:01PM | 0 recs
You ARE alone.

And clearly, misery loves company.

by Sumo Vita 2008-12-18 03:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama throws the GBLT community under the bus

They're both for civil unions, neither support gay marriage, and both opposed a constitutional ban on same sex marriage.

by fugazi 2008-12-17 02:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama throws the GBLT community under the bus

not true. he's against civil unions too.

by bruh3 2008-12-17 04:21PM | 0 recs
Re: No he's not

i am speaking of warren

by bruh3 2008-12-17 04:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama throws the GBLT community under the bus

Ehhhh!!!!  Incorrect actually.

Courtesy of Pew:

He advocates the complete repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) because "federal law should not discriminate in any way against gay and lesbian couples, which is precisely what DOMA does." He supports granting civil unions for gay couples, and in 2006 he opposed a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage.

by JenKinFLA 2008-12-17 04:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama throws the GBLT community under the bus

do you know how to read before typing?

by bruh3 2008-12-17 04:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama throws the GBLT community under the bus

Oh sorry, it was a vague comment where you said "he is against civil unions"...  Given the post you were responding to was referring to Obama as the "he", that might explain my confusion...

I posted prior to your clarification on your subject.

by JenKinFLA 2008-12-17 04:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama throws the GBLT community under the bus

that;s fine. I am just a little annoyed right now, it's not your fault.

by bruh3 2008-12-17 06:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama throws the GBLT community under the bus

What a trainwreck of a diary.

What a trainwreck of a diarist.  Go back to NoQuarter.

by Jess81 2008-12-17 04:00PM | 0 recs
Yeah, the truth hurts, doesn't it?

by BJJ Fighter 2008-12-17 04:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah, the truth hurts, doesn't it?

Yes - I've never been fond of how mainstream Democrats hold the LGBT community at arm's length.  The only thing surprising to me is how long people can lie to themselves about that fact.

I swear to god, even if you took a full on Ludovico technique of 8 hours a day having clips of Hillary Clinton opposing gay marriage and the same people (you, Knowvox) just WOULD NOT GET IT.

by Jess81 2008-12-17 05:28PM | 0 recs
Get over it troll.

by KnoxVow 2008-12-17 08:44PM | 0 recs
usual crapfest.

usual pooflingers.  while clinton and obama's positions on gay marriage are not shared by me - a message to all of you - why the feck are we still talking about the SOS position on this?

a good point to be made about this unfortunate turn of events at the inauguration is somewhat hindered by the messenger and most commenters.

by canadian gal 2008-12-17 04:25PM | 0 recs
Re: usual crapfest.

I'm wondering if you formulated your post before or after you clicked on the diary.  I'm guessing before.

by Jess81 2008-12-17 05:01PM | 0 recs
nah - after.


by canadian gal 2008-12-17 05:17PM | 0 recs
Re: nah - after.

Just cause it would be funny if you were expecting anything different.

by Jess81 2008-12-17 05:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama throws the GBLT community under the bus

Under The Bus

The mating call of PUMA.  All 37 of them.

by fogiv 2008-12-17 05:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama throws the GBLT community under the bus

by fogiv 2008-12-17 05:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama throws the GBLT community under the bus

Oops.  Weird.

by fogiv 2008-12-17 06:57PM | 0 recs
Here's a statement to consider:

Statement by Rea Carey, Executive Director
National Gay and Lesbian Task Force

"President-elect Obama campaigned on a theme of inclusivity, yet the selection of Rick Warren to give the invocation is a direct affront to that very principle. This was a divisive choice, and clearly not one that will help our country come together and heal. We urge President-elect Obama to withdraw his invitation to Rick Warren and instead select a faith leader who embraces fairness, equality and the ideals the president-elect himself has called the nation to uphold."


I agree with this statement.  Obama made a big error in judgement here.  

by Radiowalla 2008-12-17 07:42PM | 0 recs
Oh, how he loves the religious right! This is all

about his re-election campaign - getting Warren to be grateful therefore to speak well of him from now on! Giving this man, who spews hate, a platform such as this is way beyond despicable if not disgusting! No wonder I have no regrets leaving the party!

by suzieg 2008-12-18 02:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Oh, how he loves the religious right! This is

So are you Green Party now?  Or are you in the officially homophobic party?

by username 2008-12-18 06:33AM | 0 recs
I belong to no party - I'm an independent!

by suzieg 2008-12-18 09:20PM | 0 recs

If you consider gay rights issues a mere "whine" then FUCK YOU, nrafter.

by Aris Katsaris2 2008-12-17 07:45PM | 0 recs

I agree.

Fuck you nrafter!

by KnoxVow 2008-12-17 08:29PM | 0 recs

You don't give a damn about gay rights either, merely pretend to as an excuse to bash Obama and praise Clinton (though Clinton's objectively  worse where gay rights are concerned) , so an even bigger FUCK YOU to you.

by Aris Katsaris2 2008-12-18 02:48AM | 0 recs
Get a clue.

You aren't liked here.
You aren't wanted here.
You have no support here.
That isn't going to change as long as you persist with your spiteful, toxic gibberish.

And oops, it looks like you just got hide rated above. So much for your "I have been posting for 2 weeks now and have not been hide rated or banned". Presumably that must represent some kind of a record for you. My very best wishes, loser.

by Sumo Vita 2008-12-18 03:48AM | 0 recs
It's getting crowded under here!

Slide over, enviromentalists.

by Deeg 2008-12-17 08:01PM | 0 recs
Not being in the driver's seat

isn't the same thing as being under the bus. Or even being at the back of the bus.

The outrage here is that certain other people weren't thrown under the bus. That he dared allow anyone but the faithful on the bus.

This is what being inclusive is all about, self-regarded progressives. It isn't just being inclusive of those you personally approve of.

by Sumo Vita 2008-12-18 04:02AM | 0 recs

Just 4 recs at 11:08 PST and this crap ("Obama has always been against civil rights") is in the top rec'd diaries?


by mikeinsf 2008-12-17 09:08PM | 0 recs
Some inbred PUMA morons still hang

around here.

by Geekesque 2008-12-18 04:46AM | 0 recs
You think Hillary would have done differently

Hillary too believes that this is a center right country, as did her husband.  He even signed the Defense Of Marriage Act for god sake.  

by Kent 2008-12-17 09:58PM | 0 recs
Do you really believe that she would have chosen

Warren for her inauguration?

by suzieg 2008-12-18 02:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Do you really believe that she would...

If it would have helped her politically, absolutely.  Let's not pretend she's as pure as the driven snow... she's just as much a political pragmatist as Obama.

by mistersite 2008-12-18 03:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Do you really believe that she would have chos

Do you really have to ask?

by username 2008-12-18 06:35AM | 0 recs
Warren is saying a prayer.

I don't agree with the Warren pick either.  I think it's a bad choice, and I can think of ten people off the top of my head who would be better choices.  He's not only a bigot but a hack, and I don't think he should have a platform of any kind.

However, he's delivering a prayer, not setting policy or running a Cabinet department.  It'll be two, three minutes tops, during which he'll speak some spiritual platitudes but say nothing at all controversial and then sit down.  I understand those who are upset, but I also think it's a bit of an overreaction.  Obama's position, while weak, hasn't changed on the matter.  Anyone who thought we were getting Dennis Kucinich was deluding him/herself.

In addition, the fact that a known PUMA troll is bringing this issue - and apparently inviting his/her PUMA friends from racist hate sites - reeks of opportunism.  While there are honest reasons for people to be upset about this, the comment quoted from Larry Johnson's StormFront site above indicates KnowVox and his/her troll friends are more interested in stirring up s**t and spreading their racist hatred of President-Elect Obama than they are in the actual issue.  That this site's administrators continue to allow them to post here with obvious sockpuppet usernames after having been banned is disgraceful.

by mistersite 2008-12-18 03:52AM | 0 recs

I wish I could rec this a '2' 10 times.

by mikeinsf 2008-12-18 05:50AM | 0 recs
Good lord people

this isn't about Hillary vs Barack on LGTB rights, it's about Obama's horrifically tone deaf choice of a prominent anti gay preacher to deliver the invocation at this particular momentous national occasion.

Horrible choice. Insensitive and yeah, he's throwing us under the bus.  

He can meet with Rick Warren, consult with him, give him a pander hug from time to time, but the Inauguration should belong to the spirit of inclusion, not exclusion.

by sarany 2008-12-18 03:59AM | 0 recs
But it's precisely that spirit of inclusion

that you're horrified with.

I agree it was tone deaf, but I don't think it merits the opprobrium it's been generating. When he invites Rick Warren to write policy, then we can talk about being thrown under the bus.

by Sumo Vita 2008-12-18 04:08AM | 0 recs
Re: But it's precisely that spirit of inclusion

And we need to see some action from both the Congress and from Obama.  DADT needs to be repealed fairly soon.  I am not looking for a 100 day turnaround, but this needs to be addressed in 2009.  

I would also like to see them address some sort of Federal Domestic Partner legislation that would at least address some issues such as Hospital visitation and some basic rights to protect partners from disapproving relatives.

by gavoter 2008-12-18 07:49PM | 0 recs
"I thought Obama was a progressive."

Liar, liar
pants on fire.

This is not a PUMA reserve.  

by Geekesque 2008-12-18 04:46AM | 0 recs
Look, Knowvox invited all this friends....

Bad actors attracting their lowly friends.

First, I also am wary of Warren, I think he is a wolf in sheeps clothing.

That being sad, I think being in the tent with these folks is a better method then outright war.

So, I think folks with real stakes in the LGBT community should express their outrage.

We need to keep Obama's feet to the fire, the stances he took during the campaign, repealing DADT and opposing gay marriage bans MUST not be backed off from. Period.

But, lets be clear about Knowvox and his buds.

One, NONE OF THE RETURNING POSTERS HERE gave a rats ass about LGBT issues when Hillary was approaching the stance essentially the same way Obama was. Unless they could use it against Obama (Danny McClurkin) they just didn't show any interest in LGBT issues, basically, again, because Hillary's stances were essentially the same as Barack's.

Secondly, anyone doubt what they would be saying if Hillary was president-elect and did the same kind of move....

Hell, they would be breathing fire at anyone daring to go against "their gal"

Thirdly, all these folks have been breathing "Hussien Obama" and "birth certificate" enough that the stench of racism reeks from all of them.

Yup, I am calling you all out, because you don't have a frickin leg to stand on when you want to suddenly get back in the civil rights game.

Peace out, and back to the usual MyDD fun and games...

by WashStateBlue 2008-12-18 05:03AM | 0 recs
KnowVox, rankles-lemon-miles, teh engles . . .

who's next, Universal?

God we can only hope.

by Koan 2008-12-18 08:46AM | 0 recs

Working for gay civil rights and liberties means we are whining?

I think your words mean you're a bigot. Or are you so obsessed with your man that you can't tell right from wrong?

by cuppajoe 2008-12-18 12:51PM | 0 recs


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