Jackson Jr: Bible should be ammended to include Obama (no joke)

Representative Jesse Jackson Jr., after opining that the most important event in the history of the United States of America was Obama clinching the primaries last week, issued an interesting proposal:

"I cried all night. I'm going to be crying for the next four years," he said. "What Barack Obama has accomplished is the single most extraordinary event that has occurred in the 232 years of the nation's political history. ... The event itself is so extraordinary that another chapter could be added to the Bible to chronicle its significance."


Since I don't want to be seen as racist, I'll plead the fifth on whether or not the Bible should be expanded for this noble purpose.

But wasn't the Independence of the United States, our victory in World wars 1 and 2, Our Cold War victory, the , the emancipation of slaves, etc., a tad more important than this?

Just saying.

Tags: Jesse Jackson Jr. (all tags)



He is really excited

can you blame him?

by Student Guy 2008-06-06 06:00PM | 0 recs

is obviously not very smart.

by architek 2008-06-06 06:02PM | 0 recs
Come on..

I know nothing about JJ Jr. but - how could that possibly be true.

It doesn't make sense to me.

by architek 2008-06-06 06:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Come on..

Very over the top.  Don't know that means he's an idiot.  I know a lot of smart people who still overreact and/or allow their emotion to get the best of them.

by bosdcla14 2008-06-06 11:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Junior

if jesse jr were smart, he wouldn't ever mention crying in a public forum for the rest of his life.

by campskunk 2008-06-06 06:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Junior

He doesn't have to worry about it.  He's not a woman.  just sayin'

by slynch 2008-06-06 11:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Junior

Because he thinks this moment is veryimportant that means he's not smart?

by LiberalDebunker 2008-06-06 06:46PM | 0 recs
That said

I don't care whether the bible adds another chapter as it isn't my faith.

by Student Guy 2008-06-06 06:02PM | 0 recs
i think Obama should really

try to distance himself from jackasses like Jackson Jr., a race baiting scumbag who accused Hillary of not crying for black people back after New Hampshire. Trash like this, Wright, Pfleger, etc. are why people like me and other Clinton supporters are so turned off.

by Lakrosse 2008-06-06 06:00PM | 0 recs
Re: i think Obama should really

well, i'd say jesse jr's tears were at least as sincere as he claimed hillary's were. ok, i'm being snarky.

by campskunk 2008-06-06 06:10PM | 0 recs
Your language usage

is sophomoric.  If you want to critique someone - provide links, rather than referring to someone as a used condom.

"race-baiting" is a shield tactic used to dismiss anyone who points out racism.  

by NeciVelez 2008-06-06 06:37PM | 0 recs
Here's a link.

I respect his father--my parents voted for him in 1988--and I wish Jr were more like him.  This was tremendously insulting to Hillary Clinton--she cried for her appearance but not the victims (read: poor, black victims) of Hurricane Katrina.

by psychodrew 2008-06-06 09:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Here's a link. - which proves what?

why is this race-baiting?  He has expressed an opinion about Senator Clinton;s "tears".

He mentions Katrina, the War, the economy - as examples of things she could have wept about.

by NeciVelez 2008-06-07 01:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Here's a link. - which proves what?

He's says her tears are fake.  That's fine.  A lot of people said that.  I don't agree, but that's a fair assertion.

However, he goes a step further and says REPEATEDLY that Hillary didn't cry for the victims of Hurricane Katrina--a message to the African-American community that Hillary doesn't care about you.

by psychodrew 2008-06-07 01:36AM | 0 recs
Katrina is not just about

African-Americans.  If you ever lived in that part of the country you would know that.  

Katrina was a major national disaster, which was ignored by the POTUS.  

Many of my friends whose lives were destroyed by Katrina are not black.  

However, you are probably correct that he was referencing African-Americans  - which is understandable.  How that can be called "race-baiting" I'm not sure of.  The fact that he was interviewed presumes he has a constituency.  

I am not familiar with him, nor did I vote for his father, who I do know a lot about.

by NeciVelez 2008-06-07 02:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Katrina is not just about

I have a colleague who graduated from Tulane this spring.  He had to switch schools for a semester and he told me a lot about it.  I realize that Katrina wasn't just about the AA community.  The AA community was disproportionately affected by the tragedy and from what I've read, it is something that has angered the AA community as a whole (I concede that I could be wrong on this point).

To me, it seemed like and attempt to turn African-Americans against Hillary.  Perhaps race-baiting is too strong a term, but it definitely conflicts with Obama's and Jesse Jackson Sr.'s messages of racial reconciliation.  To Senator Obama's credit, Jr. seemed to fade into the background after that interview.

by psychodrew 2008-06-07 02:35AM | 0 recs

and I think you have to remember that the AA community is not monolithic - Senator Obama is not responsible for the opinions of all AA's - nor even for the remarks of all those who say they support him.  Same goes for Senator Clinton.

Thank you for a cordial discussion/debate.  

by NeciVelez 2008-06-07 03:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Agreed

It's so much nicer around here now that the primaries are over.

by psychodrew 2008-06-07 05:41AM | 0 recs
If you really are "turned off"

of Obama because of Pfleger, then I laugh at you.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-06-06 06:46PM | 0 recs
Re: i think Obama should really

Wright and Pfleger have helped more people then most. If that's trash then you must be a superhero.

by LiberalDebunker 2008-06-06 06:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Jackson Jr: Bible

Guys, considering how much hyperbole gets tossed around hereabouts, you'd think the diarist wouldn't actually bother posting about it in this fashion.

He's happy.  He's expressing it.


by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-06 06:05PM | 0 recs
Hyperbole? I don't think so!

This is the worst statement in the history of the UNIVERSE!!!!1!1!!!

by TCQuad 2008-06-06 08:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Hyperbole? I don't think so!

This HUGE!!!! How dare he speak in metaphor!!!!

by catilinus 2008-06-07 12:56AM | 0 recs
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Its a dumb statement since it could be misconstrued, but its obvious he wasn't serious.  

by yitbos96bb 2008-06-06 06:10PM | 0 recs
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by Kysen 2008-06-06 06:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Jackson Jr:

If we are getting a new chapter is it going into the old or new testiment.


by giusd 2008-06-06 06:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Jackson Jr:

mayber a whole other book, the Newest Testament!


by xenontab 2008-06-06 06:20PM | 0 recs
It will be the new NT

where they will detail the second coming.

by Teacher1956 2008-06-06 06:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Jackson Jr:

Probably the O-testament.

by slynch 2008-06-06 11:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Jackson Jr: Bible should be ammended to includ

    At least Chris Matthews didn't want any Obama-related content added to the Bible, since The Obama Phenomenon already IS the New Testament:

"I've been following politics since I was about 5," said Mr. Matthews. "I've never seen anything like this. This is bigger than Kennedy. [Obama] comes along, and he seems to have the answers. This is the New Testament. This is surprising."
--Chris Matthews, February, 2008. link

by kingsbridge77 2008-06-06 06:30PM | 0 recs
Chris Matthews underscores

the importance of keeping your words few and well chosen.

by phoenixdreamz 2008-06-06 06:38PM | 0 recs
Truer words

have never been uttered.

by you like it 2008-06-06 10:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Jackson Jr: Bible should be ammended to includ

The Newest Testament will utilize the complete Hitchhiker's Guide by Doug Adams.

by nogo postal 2008-06-06 06:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Jackson Jr: Bible should be ammended to includ

I second that.

Always remember to pack a towel.

by colebiancardi 2008-06-06 06:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Jackson Jr: Bible should be ammended to includ

oh kingsbridge...
"row faster"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMBeKmViV lA

may I remind you this a Dem site..

your background in comments indicate you are perhaps, just perhaps, not sincere in supporting our effort...

by nogo postal 2008-06-06 06:37PM | 0 recs
The attitude that because Obama is Obama,

and because Obama is a Black man, therefore doing anything other than singing the praises of either is some kind of offense akin to being a party traitor or racist is creeping me out.

Yes this is a Democratic site, not a Koolaid drinking echo chamber like Daily Kos or RedState.

by phoenixdreamz 2008-06-06 06:51PM | 0 recs
Jesus, what's wrong with you?

Only YOU are this obsessed with race.

God, I hate the faux-offended amongst my fellow whites.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-06-06 06:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Jesus, what's wrong with you?

Apoparently what's wrong with me is that I suddenly find myself in a party full of sanctimonious, judgemental, thin skinned, abusive bullies, and yes.. that too is creeping me out.

by phoenixdreamz 2008-06-06 07:02PM | 0 recs
It's all in your head

Seriously, you are obsessed with the racial implications, but it's all in your head.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-06-06 07:27PM | 0 recs
Re: The attitude that because Obama is Obama,

What are you talking about?  What does what Jesse Jackson said have anything to do about criticizing Obama?  

by ProfessorReo 2008-06-06 07:02PM | 0 recs

I assume when someone says "I poo'd a brick" you actually imagine a brick-shaped hole in their arse? Don't take things so literally!

by terra 2008-06-06 06:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Jackson Jr: Bible should be ammended to includ

let's email jesse junior a link to that "is obama the messiah?" webpage, and see if he thinks it's for real. i bet he'll fall for it.

by campskunk 2008-06-06 06:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Jackson Jr: Bible should be ammended to includ

Campskunk, glad to see your respect for religion and African Americans.  I'm sure you've been vigilant about religious bigotry and racism all throughout the campaign, just like you've been vigilant about sexism.  Your moral integrity and principled advocacy of social justice issues is commendable.  

by ProfessorReo 2008-06-06 06:45PM | 0 recs
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by campskunk 2008-06-06 06:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Jackson Jr: Bible should be ammended to includ

You're welcome.  You are a role model for all young people out in the blogosphere.  Your comments are beacons of integrity and honor and reflect strongly  upon the character and integrity of those candidates you choose to support.    

by ProfessorReo 2008-06-06 06:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Jackson Jr: Bible should be ammended to includ

well, if i played any small part in turning you into the exemplar of civility which you have become, then i have truly done my job.

by campskunk 2008-06-06 07:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Jackson Jr: Bible should be ammended to includ

No, you've played no part, since I've never seen your comments until today.  But, still, I want to restate just how much I believe your character reflects upon the character of those candidates you choose to support.  I'm sure your candidates are as principled, honorable, and engaged in the selfless, non-self serving fight for gender and racial equality as you are.  

by ProfessorReo 2008-06-06 07:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Jackson Jr: Bible should be ammended to includ

heh! caught another one. ok, my creel is full. don't want the warden hassling me about daily catch limits.

by campskunk 2008-06-06 07:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Jackson Jr: Bible should be ammended to includ

You're misconstruing the statement.  It's not meant to be taken literally, but metaphorically.  

Try not to get caught up in the literal meaning of Jackson's quote and try to hear what he's really getting at with his reference to the bible.  He's speaking for the millions of African Americans, especially older ones, who've lived through segregation, lynchings, and publicly sanctioned denials of their humanity, who never thought an African American ever had a real chance at becoming president.  These older African Americans tend to be very religious and so I'm sure they understood what Jesse Jackson was getting at with when he said what he did.  

by ProfessorReo 2008-06-06 06:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Jackson Jr: Bible should be ammended to includ

This was posted as well on TPM.

Now as Obama supporter even I will admit this is so far over the top as to be as to be in orbit.

Come on Jesse get a grip.

by jsfox 2008-06-06 06:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Jackson Jr: Bible should be ammended to includ

You think he was serious?

by LiberalDebunker 2008-06-06 06:48PM | 0 recs
This diary is lame
  1. spell "amended" right
  2. discover difference between "could" and "should"
  3. learn about hyperbole
  4. get a life
by Slim Tyranny 2008-06-06 06:44PM | 0 recs
Re: This diary is lame

Do you believe it "could" be added to the Bible?

I think "could" is even less justifiable than "should", in this instance.

by kingsbridge77 2008-06-06 06:48PM | 0 recs
Stop being dense

The "could" goes directly to the hyperbolic nature of the statement.  "He's so strong, he could lift a truck!"

Furthermore, the "no joke" plus "should" in your diary title is misleading (but you know that).

Finally, you focused on the least consequential item on my 4-part list for you.

Do you know even "hyperbole" is?  Or are you playing dense just to be obnoxious about the excitement an African-American politician is feeling about this historic event?

by Slim Tyranny 2008-06-06 06:51PM | 0 recs
now slim...

...remember your instructions...

"It is TIME for us to adjust our language about HRC to be more inclusive... My suggestions is: to keep our allies, friends we have made during this sites existence and use them to PERSONALLY email to gripe or complain about a HRC or McCain topics, while KEEPING THE GROUP BOARDS FREE OF ALL HRC or anti-McCain TOPICS. A SAFE way to do this is to COPY OBAMA's message, to repeat what he is saying on the group boards while utilizing private emails to blow off steam to those you know are true OBAMA supporters. This will be a true task to pull off, but we can do it! We MUST do it in order to win the election in November."

- Obama's `Community Blogs' page

by campskunk 2008-06-06 06:54PM | 0 recs
heh, thanks troll

by Slim Tyranny 2008-06-06 06:57PM | 0 recs
Re: heh, thanks troll

well, keep practicing. this will be hard for you at first.

by campskunk 2008-06-06 07:48PM | 0 recs

Your attempts to be condescending are pretty lackluster.  "Keep practicing."

by Slim Tyranny 2008-06-06 07:50PM | 0 recs
Re: ha

hey, it worked on you, didn't it? now spit that hook out ;-)

by campskunk 2008-06-06 08:06PM | 0 recs
lol "keep practicing"! zing!

by Slim Tyranny 2008-06-06 08:08PM | 0 recs
Re: This diary is lame

It is not clear that this was hyperbole. It is a matter of interpretation. There are people who actually think about outrageous things and mean them. Literally.

by kingsbridge77 2008-06-06 06:50PM | 0 recs

God, you are hilarious.  "It's not clear."


You're right though, it is a "matter of interpretation." And the "manner" of your interpretation reveals you to be a troll.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-06-06 06:52PM | 0 recs
Re: hahahahahahahahaha

Just typing "hahaha" doesn't make it clear that he used hyperbole.

by kingsbridge77 2008-06-06 07:01PM | 0 recs

basic reasoning skills makes it clear that he used hyperbole.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-06-06 07:25PM | 0 recs
Re: This diary is lame

Oops, I had to add yet another comment. That's how much ammunition your post gave me.

Do you believe his claim that Obama's victory was the most important political event in our history was hyperbole too?

Will everyone from now on, after being caught in gross exaggeration, use the "hyperbole" excuse?

Are there cases in which people actually exaggerate, without using hyperbole?

by kingsbridge77 2008-06-06 06:52PM | 0 recs
ha - "ammunition"

Please, describe the "ammunition" you got by me pointing out your basic spelling mistake.

Jesus, you're sad.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-06-06 06:53PM | 0 recs
Re: ha - "ammunition"

That makes no sense. I said you gave me much ammunition. I never claimed to have received ammunition from that particular observation, namely, the one about my bad spelling, which was a good observation, since I misspelled "amendment".

But when it comes to putting arguments together, there's no match between you and me.

You can keep your spelling skills. I'll keep the logic.

by kingsbridge77 2008-06-06 07:03PM | 0 recs
You have an opinon...

but "Look how stupid JJjr is" isn't exactly intellectual heavy lifting.

by Ida B 2008-06-06 07:23PM | 0 recs
"I'll keep the logic"!!! bwaaaa!!!

wow, just plain wow.

You're right, there is no match between you and me.  You're getting destroyed.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-06-06 07:26PM | 0 recs
Re: "I'll keep the logic"!!! bwaaaa!!!

Nope, you are.

by kingsbridge77 2008-06-06 08:54PM | 0 recs
Wrong again

Only one of us is logic-free enough to be arguing that someone wants to LITERALLY "ammend" the Bible to add the Obama nomination.

That argument takes a special kind of irrational approach to life.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-06-07 03:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Wrong again

You just said nothing, basically. You repeated what we already knew. That you believe he wasn't been kooky, and I did. The man really believed, at the moment of his comment, that the Bible should contain a part related to Obama's win.

Try to contribute something new.

by kingsbridge77 2008-06-07 03:48AM | 0 recs
See, here's the deal

If you really believe that he believed that the Bible should be "ammended" to add an American political event, then that does bear repeating.

It's totally irrational for you, based on nothing, to conclude that interpretation is the correct interpretation.

I'm sorry you dislike this politician so much, but only you look foolish in this diary.  Jackson looks excited and joyful; you look mean-spirited and irrationally literalist.

I mean, it's ridiculous to me that you're even pursuing this line of argument --- REVISE the Bible? Really? You can't give him the entirely modest benefit of the doubt and conclude that, of course, he was using hyperbole to discuss the momentous nature of Obama's nomination?

by Slim Tyranny 2008-06-07 05:16AM | 0 recs
Re: This diary is lame

"Do you believe his claim that Obama's victory was the most important political event in our history was hyperbole too?"

No, I think it was merely for him the moment of revelation that made him perceive as real the 222 years filled with moments of transition.

Moments of Transition vs Moments of Revelation. We tend to value the latter, because it's then that the former become manifest for us. But the significance lies in the former, not in the latter.

The event isn't that Obama won the nomination, it's that white-majority America became gradually comfortable with such a nomination after a long period of 222 years. The nomination is merely the revelation of that fact for some people like Jesse Jackson.

But do you think that's something to mock? I wouldn't mock a man for being so overwhelmed with his revelation of an event that he momentarily thinks the revelation, not the event, is the important one.

by Aris Katsaris 2008-06-07 06:32AM | 0 recs
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i think we ought to start a petition drive to get jesse jackson junior nominated for press secretary. this man has the gift!

by campskunk 2008-06-06 06:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Jackson Jr: Bible should be ammended to includ

He certainly is living proof that the apple sometimes falls VERY VERY VERY VERY far from the tree.

by psychodrew 2008-06-06 09:36PM | 0 recs
Don't cry over spilled milk...

has nothing to do with milk.

Concrete thinking...Mental processes characterized by literalness and the tendency to be bound to the most immediate and obvious sense impressions, as well as by a lack of generalization and abstraction.

Since you are serious I hope you are a minority of one,by attempting to make Jackson seem foolish you make youself seem ...well,slow.

by Ida B 2008-06-06 06:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't cry over spilled milk...

Could you restate what you said more concretely?  It might be a bit too abstract for the diarist to understand.  

by ProfessorReo 2008-06-06 07:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't cry over spilled milk...

or maybe just more slowly.

by slynch 2008-06-06 11:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't cry over spilled milk...

The problem with your argument is that sometimes exaggerations are hyperbole, and sometimes they aren't. This time you interpret this one as a hyperbole, and I don't.

If one person said, "I drank a million beers yesterday, I'm drunk as hell", it would be an obvious hyperbole. But Jackson's words may have been simply exaggeration product of his bias. NOT hyperbole, which is a deliberate attempt to exaggerate. When hyperbole is used, the author knows he doesn't literally means what he says.

Inn this case, you believe he used hyperbole, I don't. It's as simple as that. You are having a hard time pretending I'm obviously wrong.

by kingsbridge77 2008-06-06 07:20PM | 0 recs

Given that you are suggesting that Jackson Jr. means that the Bible should be LITERALLY "ammended" to mention a single recent moment in U.S. political history, you ARE obviously wrong.

REVISING the Bible is very obviously an action of hyperbolic meaning.

But whatever, you want to throw cold water on this man's enthusiasm by pretending he wants to treat the Bible like a Wikipedia entry and revise it based on this nomination --- if you get satisfaction from being such a literalist spoilsport, go for it.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-06-06 07:34PM | 0 recs
Do you...
I will assume then that your way of understanding,engaging and communicating with others is working for you.
My understanding of the JJjr quote is different but the Democratic Party is a big tent. So do you boo.
by Ida B 2008-06-06 07:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't cry over spilled milk...

Do you honestly have such a low opinion of Jesse Jackson Jr.'s intellect that you think he literally meant that the bible should be amended?

Please, tell me on what basis you are making this judgment.  What else do you know about JJJ that suggests you are right in your conclusion that he was speaking literally and not figuratively?  

by ProfessorReo 2008-06-06 08:35PM | 0 recs
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since when was the Bible the sole property of the US?

by colebiancardi 2008-06-06 07:03PM | 0 recs
Holy crap,

five recs gets you on the rec list at MyDD now? WTF?

by sricki 2008-06-06 07:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Holy crap,

slow night.

by colebiancardi 2008-06-06 07:07PM | 0 recs
Well considering

how inactive this site has become it isn't that surprising if they were all right in a row.

by Student Guy 2008-06-06 07:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Well considering

I still prefer mydd over dailykos.

here, while we still bicker about stuff, Obama supporters & HRC supporters have come to a truce, for the most part

over there, if someone makes even the slightest faint positive comment about HRC, the pile on is amazing.

by colebiancardi 2008-06-06 07:11PM | 0 recs
Ah, man...

Clearly, Rep. Jackson, Jr. is speaking in hyperbole, expressing how deeply it means to him as an African-American.  I imagine that according to how he sees the world, this is a very, very significant event, one that touches him personally.  And personal moments always outweight events that we only see through the lens of students of history.

Jackson is not suggesting that we convene a modern version of the Council of Nicea to amend and re-edit the Bible.

by jaywillie 2008-06-06 07:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Ah, man...

I agree.  I hope others will understand that when HRC supporters talk of Hillary in similar terms, it is the same feeling and touched us at a very personal level and was just as significant.

by colebiancardi 2008-06-06 07:15PM | 0 recs
Bible should be the constitution. Why not?

Jessie Jackson Jr.  Well, if this isn't taking it to cult status, I don't know what is.  He is sounding pretty out there.  But then of course Huckabee wants to change the constitution to be more like the Bible, so I guess the constitution and the bible are interchangeable now.  My stomach is starting to hurt.

by Scotch 2008-06-06 07:31PM | 0 recs

It's called hyperbole.

I love how some of you need to take a crap on this man's excitement over an historic event.  Do you guys also crash Christmas parties to yell "Santa isn't real!" at little kids?

by Slim Tyranny 2008-06-06 07:35PM | 0 recs
Re: relax

Hyperbole is done on purpose.  He said this spontaneously.  It was a really stupid comment, but kindof shows his mindset.

by Scotch 2008-06-06 07:37PM | 0 recs
Something can be both

"on purpose" and "spontaneous."

If you are excited, you exaggerate for effect.  "I'm so nervous, I could shit a brick!"  That might be spontaneous, but it was done on purpose.

Seriously, use a little common sense.  It was a purposefully over-the-top suggestion on how to immortalize this historic event.  How can you really believe he'd want to sit down and REVISE the Bible?

What's going on here = people wanting to put down this man specifically (for his Katrina tears business) and Obama excitement generally (because the Obama supporters are "cultists" and zealots).  It's lame and you should be better than that.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-06-06 07:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Something can be both

You are certainly all worked up about it.  Are you related to Jesse or have some connection to him  that would make you take peoples opinions about a public figure so seriously that you have to insult each and every poster who makes a comment?

by Scotch 2008-06-06 07:49PM | 0 recs
Well, I guess this is your attempt

to admit you were wrong about the whole "hyperbole" thing.  So thanks.

Not related to Jackson, I just don't have much tolerance for purposeful stupidity used to make mean-spirited attacks.  Here, the diarist wants to pretend Jackson was literally serious.  Rather than just accepting that the statement was purposefully over-the-top and is a genuine demonstration of Jackson's excitement over this historic event, the diarist wants to be small-minded and deflate that excitement.

You as well.  You brought up the "cult" nonsense.

I don't want to insult "each and every poster" who makes a comment --- just the obnoxious ones.  If Hillary Clinton said "I'm so proud of my daughter Chelsea, my heart could burst", I wouldn't post an obnoxious diary saying that Clinton clearly needs to read up on basic anatomy, because a heart can't burst from pride; I wouldn't say that "the interpretation could go either way" on whether Clinton was being literal; and I wouldn't focus on the nonsensical specificity of her hyperbole rather than celebrating the excitement and sentiment itself.

We all know what's going on here --- Jackson has made himself a target for the Katrina-tears thing, and now this innocuous statement is being manipulated and purposefully misinterpreted in order to attack him.

It's lame, and I think you know it.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-06-06 07:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Well, I guess this is your attempt

Just give it up.  You are being nasty and pretty childish.

by Scotch 2008-06-06 08:02PM | 0 recs

Sorry you can't admit that attacking this statement as literal is grossly absurd.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-06-06 08:06PM | 0 recs

and getting lectured on "childishness" by someone whose comment played the "cult" card is always funny.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-06-06 08:07PM | 0 recs
what bothers me

I understand his emotion, and I believe that blacks in America have every right to celebrate this amazing victory. It has not only been a long time coming, it comes at a time when we, as a nation, still have much work to do to assure equal status for all our citizens. It truly is a time to feel immense pride.

However what bothers me is the emphasis on finality; calling it the "greatest political accomplishment of our 232 years." I don't see that. It is a remarkable step forward, but I think I would like to save those greatest political platitudes for November, because after we win in November, that will be the truly great accomplishment and not just another step forward.

by pollbuster 2008-06-06 07:49PM | 0 recs
Re: what bothers me

Well, I'm sure when Obama wins in November, the "greatest political accomplishment" would reset to that event.  I don't think he meant it with any finality, but then again, this is all over-analysis of a statement made out of pure joy and excitement over the Obama nomination and what it means for American politics.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-06-06 07:58PM | 0 recs
Re: what bothers me

Given the incredible severity of our "original sin" by grandfathering in slavery, I can see how the descendants of the aggrieved and enslaved might see this as catharsis.  I do not begrudge them that.

A man who's not too distant ancestors (broadly speaking, not Obama's in particular) were enslaved is the nominee of one of the major parties.

It is breathtaking.

It's not why I voted for him, but it's certainly gravy.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-06 08:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Jackson Jr: Bible should be ammended to includ

This Diary is soooo pre-Tuesday...

by nogo postal 2008-06-06 08:47PM | 0 recs
An atheist's perspective

As a white atheist male, over fifty, college educated, Jewish, Obama supporting Democrat and from Canada now living in New York City;

I think its amazing that a black man is nominated for president, while people are alive that marched in Selma.

I also think its amazing that a woman came so close to be nominated for president, while people are alive who were not allowed to vote because of there gender.

This may be insulting to some people but to me the bible is a fictional book of fairy tales -while the accomplishment of Hillary and Barack are very real and tangible.

Let's live in the here and now. We have to beat McBush and get back the country.

by benjaminsp 2008-06-06 09:30PM | 0 recs
He was certainly serious

The Jacksons don't do irony.

Senior (and clearly Junior) are phenomenally bad politicians, riding on MLK's coattails and warping into the sort of identity politicians MLK would almost certainly have despised.

That being said, I'm not sure how much can be gleaned from one guy saying some stupid shit. I'm black, and I don't think the Bible needs a new chapter.

A simple Constitutional Amendment will do.

(hopefully it goes w/o saying but, Snark)

by Neef 2008-06-06 09:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Jackson Jr:

I didn't know you could add a chapter to the Bible.  Huh.

by JustJennifer 2008-06-06 09:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Jackson Jr:

The bible should be made open source.

by Aris Katsaris 2008-06-07 06:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Jackson Jr:


by Scotch 2008-06-07 06:45AM | 0 recs
This diary fits the definition of trolling

in as much as it involves someone who frequently pisses me off, even more so since I so love his dad.  It's Friday night. They seem to be blog flame wars nights about unfortunate things people have said. You're mainlining with some really powerful stuff. What happens in another shooting gallery should stay in that shooting gallery. Can we leave it at that?

by Jeter 2008-06-06 10:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Jackson Jr: Bible should be ammended to includ

Well, I think he was definitely excited, and I do think it was a tad bit much, but I find it hard to believe that anyone could believe he was honestly implying that such a thing should actually be done.

I mean come on, use a little common sense. This is the Bible, not the Constitution.

by Massadonious 2008-06-06 11:56PM | 0 recs
Moments of Transition vs Moments of Revelation

Let me repeat (rephrasing) as a direct comment what I buried in some thread higher up:

The whole thing is a Moments-of-Transition vs Moments-of-Revelation. We tend to value the latter, because it's then that the former become manifest for us. But the significance lies in the former, not in the latter.

So, no the Obama nomination wasn't the most important event in the history of America. It probably isn't anywhere in the top 50 events in the history of America. But for Jesse Jackson, personally, it was the moment that revealed him as real all the previous 222 years filled with moments of transition to this point.

The real event is the acceptance by white-majority USA of black people as true equals. It didn't happen now. It didn't happen in any particular point of time -- it's an event that happens in a million different moments of transition: and Barack Obama's nomination is one of its results, not one of its causes.

As such Obama's nomination is vastly insignificant in one sense, but for Jesse Jackson (and I'm guessing many others) it was vastly significant as a revelation that this transition has been real.

And I don't think we should mock a man for being so overwhelmed with his revelation of an event that he momentarily portrays the revelation, not the event, as the important one.

by Aris Katsaris 2008-06-07 06:43AM | 0 recs


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