• on a comment on Labels Keep Us Divided over 6 years ago

    This was written from within the context of Obama's MyBO pages, so it was appropriate to say we are all Obama supporters in that context.

    I was part of the history of the conversation.  Someone had posted a call to everyone as Democrats, and another person impressively politely reminded the group that Republicans were also supporting Obama.

    A long discussion ensued.  As Obama supporters, how do we reference ourselves?  We can't call ourselves Democrats, because we have Independents and Republicans.  Also, some Democrats are not Obama supporters.

    Likewise, how do we talk about Republicans?  Many support McCain, but some support Obama.  Likewise, Republican's did not include Democrats who support McCain.

    We realized that we had to reference ourselves through our candidates.

    So, the group in MyBO would be "Obama Supporters".  

    It got complicated when we talked about "others".

    Then, there were "Hillary Supporters", but that because complicated because they were breaking up into "Hillary supporters who support Obama" and "Hillary supporters who support McCain".  Then, there were "McCain supporters".  There are the "undecideds", "Nader supporters", "Barr supporters", ....  

  • Just to show the one sided nature we all face in supporting our candidates, Hillary did nothing to stop the racial slander of Obama either, whether with the image of Obama in African dress, with rumors of Obama being Muslim, or with Wright.

    We hurt ourselves if we backlash.  This has been an energetic campaign.  Both candidates have fought well and hard.  We need to put that behind us, otherwise we damage ourselves and help the Republicans.

  • I'm an Obama supporter, and I resent that you are treating people this way.  

    It would be more helpful if you provided facts so that people can understand Obama, rather than pushing people to defend themselves.

  • Obama passed legislation called the Lugar-Obama act when the Republicans were in control of the Congress that works toward nuclear and convention disarmament around the world.

    Obama passed legislation called the Coburn-Obama act that gives us federal spending trasparency in a database accessible over the internet for the first time.

    In the Illinois Senate, Obama worked with the police force to win their support to do racial profiling for police stops, and to video tape police interrogation for homicides.  Originally, the police disagreed with the legislation.

    These are just three examples where Obama has successfully worked with Republicans to make important changes.

  • Thank you for the wonderful sincere post.

    As an Obama supporter, I will say there are hurt feelings on both sides.  I think the feelings are inevitable, I think that a perspective in favor of the candidate we side with is the norm, and the reality lies some place in between.

    The media has been an eye opening experience for me.  I'm ashamed of the coverage they have provided, both for Hillary and for Obama.  I'm furious at the sexist comments toward Hillary that have come out.

    But, I do disagree with attributing Hillary's loss to sexism.  I think Mark Penn was a horrible strategist, when I supported Hillary, I sent her lots of mail telling her to get rid of Penn.  The issues like kindergate made a mockery of Hillary, and I blame him for that.  It happened many times.  Now that Geoff is in charge, she's doing much better.  The letter he wrote to the Washington Post scared me as an Obama supporter, because it was so well written.

    I know that Hillary had an excellent chance of winning, but the campaign made some serious mistakes.  If she had gotten rid of Penn, I probably would have stayed with her.

    I don't think it's fair to yourself, or to the country, to vote on relaliation against Obama.  He's got an excellent record of supporting women's rights, the legislation he's passed addresses national security and government ethics, all things we need, and he provides a wonderful model of loyalty and respect of husbands for their wives.

    I do understand the anger, though.  But, I don't think that voting for McCain really gives us the solution that we want, it isn't the right target.

  • Yawn.....

  • Tit for tat.

  • Hmmm, the choice:

    Someone with a 100% rating in support of choice rights, but a strategy some may disagree with (Obama was asked to vote present by pro choice groups, when he was intending to vote pro-choice),

    or

    McCain, someone who outright rejects freedom of choice.

    Someone who respects and loves his wife and kids, or a filanderer.

    Someone who sees through the fallacy of the Iraq war, or someone who tows the line with Bush.

    Someone who ran against Hillary, or someone who would be running against Hillary.

  • Wow, that video was tough to watch.

    I remember when the women first because radio and TV news announcers.  It sounded odd, it didn't sound right.  Now, it just is.  It's the same with Obama, it might take some people a while to get used to the idea.

    I think these people have just as much right to express their opinion and have their say as anyone else.  Following the rules, the person with the winning stats should be the nominee.  

    People in WV and KY really haven't had a chance to get to know Obama, so the resistance to move from what they do know, Hillary, is high.  Hopefully, if he is the nominee, he will have a chance to let them get to know him better, so they can feel more comfortable voting for him.

  • Yeah, people are still reacting and over-reacting, on both sides.

    It's going to take a little while to calm down.

    Hopefully, we can start having a little patience with each other, and see that some people, and hopefully, most people, on each side are willing to treat each other with respect.  

    And, given that, we can start to ignore the people who respond with kneejerk criticism.

  • on a comment on Obama's delegate haul today over 6 years ago

    It is interesting to watch this, and we are all learning a lot about the process.

    The DNC rewards different things, such as having voters from a wider area, thus suppressing the votes in populated areas.  This has actually worked against Obama, although in NV it worked against Hillary.

    Another rule is that the candidates have to have staying power.  Apparently, more of Obama's delegates than Hillary's showed up in the next tier of the election, so she lost a delegate.  The selection process begins with a popular vote, but it isn't a 1-1 representation.

    The electoral math can be just as elusive.  It's possible to win the election without having the popular vote.

    Personally, I'd like to do away with all this funny math and get back to real representation in both the primary and general election.  But, this is the system we have.

  • By that, I simply meant that while some people vote against her because she's a woman, some people vote for her for the same reason.  

    Hillary got where she is because she is a woman, she got where she is because she is smart, dedicated, and hard working.  Some opportunities have been available to her as the First Lady, just as some opportunities were available to Obama because he was black.  But, each of them were able to step up to the opportunities, to walk through the door and do something very important with those opportunities.  Hillary and Obama each deserve credit for their strength and belief in themselves to walk through that door and do good things with their opportunity.

    As an interesting side point, India requires equal representation in some of their government seats: some seats are for the poor, some for women, etc.

    Grassroots, I completely agree with all your points about the underrepresentation of women.  Well said.

  • And how many times has she defended him?

    We need to move past this tit for tat.  

    There are faults on both sides.  There are benefits on both sides.

  • comment on a post A Response to the Denial of Sexism over 6 years ago

    I agree that sexism has been a problem, and will continue to be a problem.

    But, Hillary has also benefited from reverse sexism.  Many women vote for her because she is a woman.  Hillary uses this to her advantage, and has made calls to many women to vote for her.

    Just as I don't fault Wright for working for the black community, I don't fault Hillary for looking for our (women's) vote.  Just as I don't fault blacks for helping each other, I don't fault women for backing Hillary.

    I just felt that I needed to make the point that Hillary has benefited by being a woman too.

    We do have a long way to go before it doesn't matter that a candidate is a woman.

  • Flagpins? Kindergarten essays? Who is more patriotic Wright or Obama?

    Obama has had his fair share of idiocy to deal with.  So has Hillary.

    The media has played both of them, and push issues to drag on and dramatize the contest.

    What I do see, is that as an Obama supporter, I have not been as aware of the issues that Hillary has faced, I missed the cleavage, and some of the others.  Not that I don't care, but it hasn't been in my radar.

    That's probably the case with Hillary's supporters as well.  It's not intentional, it just isn't in the radar.

    I'm really angry at the sexist comments.  I'm also angry at the racist comments.

    It's hard to see the world through a different set of glasses.  Angry mouse found an excellent way to  show it.

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