I am Boycotting These Olympics, why aren't you? Or are you?

I have wanted to write an in depth diary as to why I am boycotting these Olympics and why I am amazed that the progressive/liberal/Democrat netroots have not called for a boycott, but... I have been way to busy.

So I leave you with some thoughts from a couple of comments I made on another diary.

"I am Boycotting these Olympics for many reasons.

I will NOT give china and credit and praise for what they do. This reminds me of the Nazi Olympics, but with OUR support and money helping to showcase them as the new economic, and soon to be, military superpower."


"As you revel in the spectacle of the Olympics, I hope you think of a few things like...

Darfur/Sudan, of the mistreatment of lower end workers and slave labor, of the 2.3 million jobs lost from the USA to China during the bush regime, the 1.4 TRILLION dollars we OWE china, of Fulan Gong (sp?), of TIBET, and on and on and on...."

There is so much more. We could probably list a thousand things and still not have 50% of a complete list.

What are your reasons for also boycotting these Olympics?

What are your reasons for not boycotting?

Tags: boycott, china, Olympics (all tags)



I still don't have time

to do this justice. Actually I am beat.

I think I will go and watch Battlestar Galactica on DVD. I own them all... it was a gift!

by kevin22262 2008-08-08 08:28PM | 0 recs
Re: I am Boycotting These Olympics, why aren't you

too damn many commercials.

by QTG 2008-08-08 08:29PM | 0 recs
i'm not boycotting

because its pointless to do so. Then, we might as well boycott half the things that come into our country, all "made in China." Plus, its only every 4 years. And its not like China is killing 6 million Jews. The show just looks too great as well. I'm not THAT PC and militant about things that I'm gonna boycott the Olympics.

by Lakrosse 2008-08-08 08:36PM | 0 recs
I do

try and boycott "made in china" the best I can.

by kevin22262 2008-08-08 09:00PM | 0 recs
Re: I do

Boycott Walmart.

by Hollede 2008-08-08 09:07PM | 0 recs
I do

and always have. I have also gotten others to do the same.

by kevin22262 2008-08-08 09:18PM | 0 recs
Re: I do

that's really going to be difficult since the 'made in USA' 'made in China' etc labels are increasingly meaningless or outright deceptive. all it takes to get a label is to have the finishing labels sewn on somewhere. China's buying airports now in different countries just to ship their stuff, have it labeled in that new country and voila no more 'made in China' even though 99% was made there. the USA did this sort of thing for years. not buying the airports, but in reverse, just import something 99% finished and stick the USA label on it.

boycotts are pretty silly in most, not all but most, cases. my opinion.

by swissffun 2008-08-10 03:18AM | 0 recs
Re: I am Boycotting These Olympics, why aren't
I mentioned the same in the past. This is what I vbelieve
  1. The athletes should never boycott. THis is their moment in the sun. It would be too cruel to deprive them of their only chance. Whagt Carter did was ridiculous.
  2. But we can boycott. I urged people not to visit China during the Olympics because China is using this to spread Chinese propaganda. China is not the most evil country in the world.  But they have not shown that they can exercise their increasing power responsibly. I don't want to be part of some Chinese glorification which is happening in Beijing right now.
  3. If you cannot boycott, at least do a partial boycott. Watch on TV where the rights are already paid for. But do not buy any souvenirs. Send the Olympic committee a message for catipulating to tryanny when they didnt oppose the media censorship.
  4. Chinese hotels are underbooked. Do not get tempted and visit China during the Olympics unless you have relatives or friends competing.
by Pravin 2008-08-08 08:50PM | 0 recs
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Good points!

by kevin22262 2008-08-08 09:02PM | 0 recs
I'm boycotting them because

(among numerous reasons) China will not allow journalists unfettered access to the internet:  to any site that "violates Chinese Law".  China sucks.

by aurelius 2008-08-08 08:59PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm boycotting them because

More GOOD Points!

by kevin22262 2008-08-08 09:03PM | 0 recs
China doesn't suck.

China is a great country full of fine, hard-working people. It is ethnically diverse and has a long and fascinating history.

The repressive, totalitarian Chinese GOVERNMENT is what sucks.

by Spiffarino 2008-08-08 10:26PM | 0 recs
Re: China doesn't suck.

Agreed. Yet for all practical purposes, the Chinese "GOVERNMENT" has for decades been the face of China to the world. And especially with their new-found wealth, many of the chinese people are buying into that regime's philosophy. The martyrs of Tiananmen Square have been long forgotten in favor of the more material creature comforts. Chinese jingoism is on the rise, and protests over China's occupation of Tibet in this country are often met with counter-protests from Chinese nationalists. The picture isn't black and white anymore.

by Sumo Vita 2008-08-09 05:36AM | 0 recs

I would think if "we all" did this, that maybe the jobs would stay HERE or at least NOT be outsourced to a country like china.

by kevin22262 2008-08-08 09:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Really?

or Mexico or Malaysia or Canada or Taiwan or...
America does not have much of a basic industrial infrastructure left and much of that is tooled for overproduced and wasteful products such as SUVs. Some Japanese companies are coming in and doing a decent job, but there are stories of some of those choosing sites in Canada over Alabama because the workforce is.... literate.

The problem is not China per se, it is the Global scale culture China and America and others have produced.

by notedgeways 2008-08-08 10:04PM | 0 recs
Lots of cars are being produced in Canada

Canadians make more money and have better benefits on average than Americans. So why are auto manufacturing plants moving there?

Universal single-payer health care.

Even with higher wages, more time off, and great benefits it's still cheaper to make cars in Canada.

by Spiffarino 2008-08-08 10:21PM | 0 recs
What does

that matter?

Also, it is much more then that.


by kevin22262 2008-08-09 01:25PM | 0 recs

I will not be watching any of the Olympics this time.

by Hollede 2008-08-08 09:04PM | 0 recs
A very long list

Tibet for starters and that they are probably using super duper giant fans to blow the air pollution away for two weeks. A bit of snark there.

by Hollede 2008-08-08 09:06PM | 0 recs
Re: I am Boycotting These Olympics, why aren't you

I really do see your reasoning for boycotting the Olympics and I agree with it.

In fact, I've never had much interest in the Olympics before now, so I likely would have boycotted.

But I really, really just can't give up the chance to watch world class fencing.

by pomology 2008-08-08 09:18PM | 0 recs

Honestly, I thought that was the best damn opening ceremonies ever. Yes China has a long way to go, but so do we.

by NJDEM1 2008-08-08 09:45PM | 0 recs
I watched the parade of nations

I always do. That will probably be the last time I watch any of the coverage, though. I can't stand the thought of validating a government that pisses on its minorities the way China does.

I boycott anything that features G.W. Bush and any of his cronies for the same reason.

by Spiffarino 2008-08-08 10:31PM | 0 recs
Agreed, and FYI:

Tibetans aren't minorities - they aren't even Chinese. China swallowed Tibet whole back in the mid '60s, and would have likewise appropriated large parts of India as well, had the then-Soviets not deployed their troops on China's northern border, forcing the Chinese to withdraw.

by Sumo Vita 2008-08-09 10:37PM | 0 recs
Engagement rather than isolationment eom

by notedgeways 2008-08-08 10:05PM | 0 recs

Im with you. I always watched the games, and know a few former olympians. My swim coach when I lived in Australia was and might still be their national breastroke coach. Id love to watch Phelps go for 8, and a 41 year old kick some ass, but nope. Along with reasons already mentioned I would add the chinese govt attitude on climate change. Theyve surpassed us as bigest emitter of co2 and will bring a new coal plant online something like every week for a few years. That is teh suck.

by Drewid 2008-08-09 01:37AM | 0 recs
Re: yup

The US is still the largest per capita emitter of co2.

China is a nation of bicycles.  How can we, a nation of SUVs and large homes with central heat, expect a country where the overwhelming majority of families do not own a car and use far less energy per capita, a developing country with poor infrastructure to make sacrafices for global warming that we did not make during our own industrial development and aren't willing to make now.

Despite what you see on TV (or aren't seeing since you are boycotting), it is still a poor country and we cannot expect the Chinese people to curtail their standard of living while we drive large vehicles and use energy to heat/cool large homes and businesses.

by psychodrew 2008-08-09 04:19AM | 0 recs
I'm not boycotting. I'm celebrating!!!

I am very excited about the Olympics.  I just relocated to the US from China a few weeks ago.

The Olympics are not about politics.  China's hosting is not about the government.  It's about the people.

Who decides what a politically correct country is?Should the US be excluded from consideration for hosting the Olympics on the basis of Iraq?  Guantanamo?

After 150 years of war, internal chaos, and extreme repression, reforms began to transform China and her people for the better in 1978.  The Chinese people want to showcase the new China to world.  Allow the Chinese people to enjoy this moment under the sun.

by psychodrew 2008-08-09 04:12AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm not boycotting. I'm celebrating!!!

Which "Chinese people" want to showcase China to the world? The ones languishing away in the villages that you aren't allowed to visit, so that the gleaming facades of their cities remain untouched, those people?

The "new China" comes courtesy of rampant and abusive child labor, military-owned businesses, the stifling of internal dissent, and an oppressive polical regime that has actively and shamelessly promoted the proliferation of nuclear weapons to rogue states like Pakistan and North Korea. The decades-old invasion and continued occupation of Tibet, and the methodical and deliberate extermination of ethnic Tibetans and their culture cannot be excused away as being even remotely similar to the Iraq affair.

All that this "moment under the sun" achieves is to promote the ugly face of Chinese nationalism abroad, does little for the betterment of its people, and endorses the repugnant actions of it's so-called government. It's one shameful, bloody moment, and nothing to be proud of.

by Sumo Vita 2008-08-09 05:54AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm not boycotting. I'm celebrating!!!

Maybe psycho is "proud" of all the money he made off the backs of the Chinese peasants.

by venician 2008-08-09 01:53PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm not boycotting. I'm celebrating!!!

What did I do for a living there?
Who did I work for?
What kind of lifestyle did I live?
Did I employ any Chinese people?  If so, how many?

The fact of the matter is that we--ALL AMERICANS--enjoy a higher standard of living because of the hard-working Chinese peasants.

by psychodrew 2008-08-09 04:52PM | 0 recs

I think it's safe to say I usually get along with you. But that was way, way over the top. HR'd. Sorry. If everyone could just cool it a bit, that would be great.

by sricki 2008-08-09 07:31PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm not boycotting. I'm celebrating!!!

It's not a country without problems, but it's not the vicious police state that you think it is.  I'll be posting at TM about this either tomorrow or Monday evening.  If you are interested in a civil discussion on the topic, please stop by!

by psychodrew 2008-08-09 04:54PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm not boycotting. I'm celebrating!!!

Fair enough - though I'm not sure what TM stands for..

I don't doubt your sincerity, and didn't mean for you to take the brunt of my ire. I look forward to your take on recent goings-on in that country.

by Sumo Vita 2008-08-09 10:29PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm not boycotting. I'm celebrating!!!

agreed. not the examples of Iraq per se, but jeez i can't believe Americans fall for the propaganda about China --- 90% of which I think is to deflect rage from what the US government does. the rage that has been spewed about the Cheeks being denied a visa for example. GIVE ME A BREAK!! I think he should have been allowed - BUT no American should feel self-righteous that this reflects the evils of China, since the USA would deny VISAs on much less grounds than this, and has for decades!!!!

hmmmm wasn't a jumbo jet rerouted just a couple years ago because the USA decided CAT STEVENS should not be allowed in the country???  At least the Chinese could show that Cheeks was an activist against China ---

no, starting to apply the standards people are trying to propose for hosting the olympics, and hell the USA and quite a few other countries will NEVER get them. Ironic that Switzerland hasn't been awarded the Winter Olympics for a long long time.

by swissffun 2008-08-10 03:26AM | 0 recs
I never watch them.

I don't own a TV and never have so I'm off the hook. I try to live in my immediate actual world while being alert to the bigger thing mine sits in but I was never much of a big ridiculous spectacle fan.

As for the idea that China is essential to our material well being, that's ridiculous.

Practice Slob Chic and never buy any thing new that isn't essential and we'll deftly disengage from the global swindle.

Think thrift shops and yard sales and just making your stuff from found material the way people did during rationing in World War Two.

by chris rich 2008-08-09 06:05AM | 0 recs
Boycotting the Olympics isn't an issue for me

The IOC is corrupt, China is corrupt, the U.S. is corrupt, so what's the point, the athletes like Michael Phelps who train 4 hours a day their whole life for this once every 4 years chance to shine deserve our respect and admiration, not our faux outrage over China as we go out and buy half our goods made there and they are our biggest national debt holder. Solve those problems, and then I will think about what the Olympics mean.

by Dog Chains 2008-08-09 06:10AM | 0 recs
Let our athletes have their moment of glory.

The Olympic Games are a fine tradition, and nothing can detract from that. But China's attempt to exploit the games to self-aggrandize and whitewash their excesses should be called out for what it is - a facade.

by Sumo Vita 2008-08-09 06:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Let our athletes have their moment of glory.

The whole pomp and circumstance is a facade, and anyone buying into it is just silly. The same facade we'll see when both parties send the homeless people to the movies during their conventions so none of those precious delegates are bothered by what really goes on in our cities.

by Dog Chains 2008-08-09 06:18AM | 0 recs
Like China is the only

country that hides their poor, has excesses and has invaded other countries.

The USA has held the Olympics many times while at the same time training and supporting regimes like those in South and Central America in the 50s, 60s, 50s and  80s (Pinochet to name one)........ditto for the French, the Brits and everyone else. Do you think Mexico City showcased it's poor barrios during the games of the 70s?

Punishing athletes for the political problems of a government is as stupid now as it was when Carter did it.  

We IGNORED/boycotted Chine for decades and decades and that helped Chinese people how???????

by Jjc2008 2008-08-09 06:51AM | 0 recs
No sophistry, please

There's a key difference between the activities of any country's counter-intelligence agencies, and the 40+ year occupation and cultural decimation of a sovereign nation. There's a key difference between not showcasing your slums, and maintaining a civilized image through a tightly controlled and policed facade.

No one's arguing that the athletes boycott the games - but there's no reason why the rest of us can't do so.

by Sumo Vita 2008-08-09 10:12PM | 0 recs
Re: No sophistry, please


Why is my argument false?  YOUR view of what is bad (ie, the suppression of a nation for forty years) is yours...doesn't mean the rest of us have to agree that it is the worst thing a nation has done.

by Jjc2008 2008-08-10 07:48AM | 0 recs
It wasn't "suppression"

It's 40+ years of invasion, occupation, and brutal ethnic subjugation. I called you out for your attempt to draw parallels with blatant aggression, and the kind of subterfuge engaged in by counter-intelligence agencies.

by Sumo Vita 2008-08-11 07:16AM | 0 recs
Re: I am Boycotting These Olympics, why

I agree.

Then there's this:  

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/07/sports /olympics/07china.html

Which speaks to both the hypocrisy of the Chinese government, and the normal "breathing conditions" for the Chinese people, not to mention the level of pollution and energy abuse they are contributing to the world.  

I wish we could take some of our industry back.  I wish Americans would choose to live with less stuff, but stuff whose creation does less damage.  

by mady 2008-08-09 07:01AM | 0 recs
Re: I am Boycotting These Olympics, why aren't you

The U.S. is not in ANY place to criticize China for becoming a military superpower or for violating human right. I think this diary is another example of the U.S. hubris, still thinking we are better than other countries. We are not. A Palestinian woman I heard speak was shocked to see homeless people all over America. See, in SOME other countries people actually care about stuff like that.

Besides, it is stupid to boycott an event that is all about the athlete's hard work.

by Lolis 2008-08-09 07:42AM | 0 recs
I'm not boycotting

because I think it punishes not China, but all the athlete all over the world who have worked so hard for this.  The Olympics is not a political convention or a meeting of the G8.  It's about the sports and the fellowship of these fine athletes.

President Obama will have plenty of opportunities to make the Chinese government see the light starting next year.  No need to punish the athletes to make a statement that will have no effect whatsoever on the Chinese government.

by Denny Crane 2008-08-09 05:17PM | 0 recs
Please tell me how

my boycotting the watching of the Olympics "hurts" any athlete?

It only hurts the broadcasters, advertisers and hopefully the Chinese government (because they spent way to much on these Olympics)

by kevin22262 2008-08-09 07:01PM | 0 recs

I will not support anything that the Chinese government does.

by kevin22262 2008-08-09 07:02PM | 0 recs
Re: plus

They loan us money.  Lots of it.  That allows us to continue running the enormous trade deficit that they have.

by psychodrew 2008-08-09 07:57PM | 0 recs

this means what? This is not a good thing and yes it is gdubs and the neo-cons fault. But this is just one more way we are selling our country to the chinese government.

I believe in the USA Today, they had a piece that basically said we, the USA, should be more like the Chinese.

Fascism works so much better for corporations and dictators. All the benefits of a capitalist economy without the messy democracy part.

by kevin22262 2008-08-10 11:52AM | 0 recs
Re: and...

My point is that the Chinese support us and we support the Chinese economically.

And I think that authoritarian is a better term to describe the government.  Facism conjures up images of Hitler and Mussolini.

by psychodrew 2008-08-10 02:47PM | 0 recs
Re: and...

sorry.... but they are a fascist country. We are becoming more like them under the bush/neo-con regime.

by kevin22262 2008-08-10 06:45PM | 0 recs
Re: and...

There is nothing about the PRC even comparable to the textbook examples of facism--Hitler and Mussolini.  The PRC today is much more moderate in domestic and international affairs than the PRC of forty years ago.

And the Chinese people are MORE satisfied with their own government than we are of ours.

I'm posting on this at TM tomorrow night.  Come check it out and join the discussion.

by psychodrew 2008-08-10 08:23PM | 0 recs
once again

sorry... but

Back in the day (before things went war crazy), people around the world, in the USA and people within Germany said similar things

"There is nothing about the PRC even comparable to the textbook examples of facism--Hitler and Mussolini.  The PRC today is much more moderate in domestic and international affairs than the PRC of forty years ago.

And the Chinese people are MORE satisfied with their own government than we are of ours."

Do you think the polls of people here would show that they were satisfied with our government if they were doing well economically? The war, the internal spying, etc. would not matter because they would have money in their pockets.

Also, who was "polled" in China? Who were they allowed to poll? Did they poll the people living and working in sweat shops and labor camps? Did they poll the rural and the poor?

You give the chinese communist/fascist government way to much credit. Much like the righties do for the bush regime.

We have elements of fascism in the USA and under the bush regime it has only gotten worse!

To deny that China has become a version of extreme fascism is to deny the truth.

by kevin22262 2008-08-11 09:38AM | 0 recs
Re: once again

Here is the link to my post at TM.

http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view .php?id=28204

Stop by and read it.

The Chinese government does a lot of HORRIBLE things.  I know that firsthand.  I know somebody that was sent to a village on the Russian border during the Cultural Revolution.  I know somebody else whose entire family was sent to Xinjiang.

But the Chinese government has delivered for its people in a way that no other government has in the history of mankind.  Just read the post and let me know what you think.

by psychodrew 2008-08-11 03:31PM | 0 recs
Re: I am Boycotting These Olympics, why aren't you

applying these political standards to host the olympics should then exclude the USA and a few other countries as well.

why did UTAH of all places with strange politics, and the USA with well----let's not start, get the winter games a few years ago? why didn't Switzerland win them? by your standards that should have been a no brainer. sometimes the outrage shown in this diary can only be taken seriously when applied equally to all cases --- not just one China.

by swissffun 2008-08-10 03:30AM | 0 recs

It is not the same. Not even close. To compare Utah/USA or Switzerland to the chinese government is way off.

I will admit that our current government wants to be more like the chinese government (it would make things easier for them to do what they do).

I know that most countries governments are a part of the Olympics hosted in their country, but no where near to the extent that the chinese government is.

These games are purely propaganda along the lines of the Nazi "coming out party" with their Olympics.
..."Look how wonderful we are, look how wonderful these games are, look at how successful we are.... don't you want to be like us?" ... "At least stop talking about all the bad things we do... ok?"

I could go on, but I won't for now.

by kevin22262 2008-08-10 06:52PM | 0 recs


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