Rep. Murtha: No healthcare reform this time

Well, its official.  Democratic Congressman John Murtha believes that we will not pass healthcare reform this year.  This basically translates into not ever passing it.  We certainly cant pass it in 2010 during the red hot election season and will not be able to pass anything after the 2010 elections which is almost certain to shift Congress a good few more steps to the right. cle/ALeqM5h_Tlozn8QichhC8zq6TVdOfRJBIgD9 A2S0UO0

This is a sad day for healthcare reform and for the Democratic party.  The party has promised time and time again that they would pass healthcare reform and they have given us nothing but failure.  With Obama's approval ratings headed down into the 40's, the 2010 elections look like a trainwreck for Democrats.  The one thing that could have saved us is healthcare reform and now it looks almost certain as if it wont happen.

We better hope the economy makes a huge surge in the next few months or the House will be lost in 2010, as even many Democrats are privately admitting.  Thanks Democrats.  You deserve everything that is coming at you.  I am not enjoying this rerun of 1993-1994 one bit.  

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Re: Rep. Murtha: No healthcare reform

Why are you putting so much stock in what Murtha says?

by Nathan Empsall 2009-08-14 05:31PM | 0 recs
Because he is the closest to Pelosi

out of almost anyone in Congress.  

by Kent 2009-08-14 05:40PM | 0 recs
Obviously not

since he points out that Pelosi wanted to ram it through last month and it was people like him who stopped it.

by DTOzone 2009-08-14 07:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Obviously not

Except the whole point of delay was to kill it.

by bruh3 2009-08-14 10:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Rep. Murtha: No healthcare reform this time

First, the article is terrible. Murtha says, "it's not clear it will get done before January" and that turns into the headline, "Murtha predicts no healthcare overhaul this year." That's NOT what he said.

Second, what make him prescient?

It will get done.

by Travis Stark 2009-08-14 07:15PM | 0 recs
Even Kucinich predicts it wont happen

Jesus, will this finally be the time that Democrats will realize that this is a loser issue for them?

by Kent 2009-08-14 07:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Even Kucinich predicts it wont happen

"even Kucinich"????

by Jess81 2009-08-14 07:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Even Kucinich predicts it wont happen

Sorry, that should read...

"even Kucinich"???

by Jess81 2009-08-14 07:49PM | 0 recs

and Kucinich's credibility with predicting legislative outcomes is what?

by DTOzone 2009-08-14 07:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Rep. Murtha: No healthcare reform this time

It will get done this year.

Yes, but this is the liberal blogosphere, where every bleak statement is accepted as fact, every misleading headline is etched in stone and every bit of good news for Democrats and porogressives must be stomped down mericlessly.

Oh and where Dennis Kucinich is going to save us all.

Palinvs. Kucinich--the Flying Monkey Right meets the Gimme-a-Pony Left.

by spirowasright 2009-08-15 06:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Rep. Murtha: No healthcare reform this time

Wow, if, Majority Leader Murtha says it won't happen, then there's no way it'll get to President Hillary Rodham Clinton's desk in my lifetime.

...or any other predictions Murtha's made recently...

In all seriousness, even if he's right, he's not saying what you're saying he's saying, and even if he were, it doesn't imply what you think it does.  So basically, not only are you quoting someone with about the same prescience as a Magic Eight Ball, but you're quoting him wrong!  "Shake again."

by Jess81 2009-08-14 07:41PM | 0 recs
In UpstateDem's world

Probably=no, Definitely=probably not, and no=hell no and yes=electoral disaster.

by DTOzone 2009-08-14 07:46PM | 0 recs

Well, its official.  Democratic Congressman John Murtha believes that we will not pass healthcare reform this year.  This basically translates into not ever passing it.

Based on what?

by DTOzone 2009-08-14 07:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight

Right now I'm cracking up reading that sentence over and over again.  I must look like a loon.

I think it was Steve M who theorized that Kent is part of some secret office pool that pays out to the first person who declares something dead.

by Jess81 2009-08-14 07:51PM | 0 recs
Kent is UpstateDem from DailyKos

I figured it out one day when I read one of the Kent's comments and thought "wow, he sounds like UpstateDem" told him so, then found the same exact comment on DailyKos 15 minutes later.

by DTOzone 2009-08-14 08:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Kent is UpstateDem from DailyKos

I believe I saw the same diary.  

by Khun David 2009-08-15 12:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight

You think we can try this again if we dont pass it this year?

by Kent 2009-08-14 07:51PM | 0 recs
Why wouldn't we pass it this year?

by DTOzone 2009-08-14 08:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Why wouldn't we pass it this year?

Maybe because we are being blocked by conservative Democrats.  

by Kent 2009-08-14 09:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Why wouldn't we pass it this year?

Conservative Democrats who are being given a pass by President Obama, who for whatever reasons feels no need to have statements "accidently" released that condemn conservatives as Rahm for example has done with progressives.

by bruh3 2009-08-14 10:06PM | 0 recs
Weren't you the one who said

Conservative Dems couldn't block healthcare? lol 22212#commenttop

by DTOzone 2009-08-14 10:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Weren't you the one who said

Yes, I said that the conservative bark here is louder than their ability to bite. How is that inconsistent when saying the WH should tell them to  fall into line or else rather than propped up by the president? How is that inconsistent with saying that progressives should be supported rather than attacked by Rahm and other surrogates? Are you even trying here? Because your commment makes no sense.

by bruh3 2009-08-15 09:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Rep. Murtha: No healthcare reform this time

Who the heck are these Democrats who are "privately admitting" that we may lose the House next year?  Anyone who actually thinks the Republicans could take the House knows nothing about politics.

by Steve M 2009-08-15 06:12AM | 0 recs
There aren't any

he made it up.

by DTOzone 2009-08-15 07:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Rep. Murtha: No healthcare reform this time

If we don't pass healthcare, then, yes, we will lose the house...

by LordMike 2009-08-15 09:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Rep. Murtha: No healthcare reform this time

Under what scenario could we actually lose the House? We could lose some of the conservative Democrats, but overall beyond the Chris Bowers scenario (considering how hated the GOP is) how is it a realistic prospect?

by bruh3 2009-08-15 09:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Rep. Murtha: No healthcare reform this time

Very realistic... for example, there is a very good chance that I may quit politics altogether if decent health care reform doesn't pass... what's the point if you can't pass health reform with supermajorities.   A lot of us will stay on the sidelines.  The GOP will be motivated, we won't be... That's the EXACT same scenario that played out in 1994.  Unions, minorities... they all felt they got the shaft from Clinton, and indies looked at him (and the dems) as incompetent 'cos thee couldn't get the simplest stuff through...

If health care reform passes that is decent enough to keep most dems onbard, then we are safe...

Right now, Nate Silver is giving a loss of the house about a 30% chance...

by LordMike 2009-08-15 09:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Rep. Murtha: No healthcare reform this time

That puts me on a tangent:

I hope that I will not become disillusioned again.  You are right about 1994, but at the time I was a true believer in politicians. Ironically, I remain a moderate, but the DC bubble lurched so far to the crazy right that I am considered a progressive by DC bubble standards. The public option, for example, is basically a moderate response to avoid market failure, and yet now to read comments here you would thing it's communism rather than meant to address real concerns that moderates have like with say monopolistic rents by insurance companies. I have to remind people it was Teddy R, who first sought to bust trusts. A Republican. So I have no problem with Republican ideas.

Now, we see consolidating industries, and no one seems particularly worried by it. I know the DOJ is pushing for greater antitrust efforts, but the higher ups in the WH are trying to block it. But I disgress.

As for your point:

I have to hope things will work out with health care despite Nate's predictions. Coming here to read the comments (Which I sum up to my friends as "DC bubble wannabes" rather than private citizens advocating their own self interests for real reform") I am less optimistic than I was a few weeks ago.

Regardless of how I feel personally, I don't know if there is a chance for a repeat of 1994 in 2010. The demographics have changed a great deal and it would require a massive depression of Democratic leaning voters. Impossible? No. Likelihood? I think it is highly unlikely.

To end on a positive note: I really liked President Obama's speech today. He seems to learn from his mistakes, but I wonder how many times he is going to be allowed to make mistakes like he did with the death panel, I think he will support the public option, and I think the dynamics still favor watered down version passing, but I am not as optimistic as before, but still hopeful.

by bruh3 2009-08-15 10:31PM | 0 recs

Republicans had a better chance of winning last year's Presidential election and had a better chance of retaining Congress in 2006.

by DTOzone 2009-08-17 09:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Rep. Murtha: No healthcare reform this time

The assumption is this: an-white-voter-strategy

Nate Silvers says it requires a 7 point swing. I don't see that happening, and I don't imagine the Bowers' strategy would really work since it requires one to meet a lot of assumptions.

I am skeptical of it, but it makes sense that the people most concerned about their political prospects if a healthcare bill should not materialize or economic recovery are the Blue Dogs.

hey are the ones who can be harmed in a low turn out year with a repressed base and a successful GOP strategy.  Again, I doubt the ability to retake the House, but I don't question the GOP's ability to take some of the Blue Dog seats.

by bruh3 2009-08-15 09:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Rep. Murtha: No healthcare reform this time

Murtha is headed for prison. So anything to distract is a good game for him.

by cmpnwtr 2009-08-15 10:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Rep. Murtha: No healthcare reform this time

Well, it the right wing hack site Politico is pretty much ignoring it... the AP downplaying the comments as well, I think that Murtha's office must have walked back the comments a bit... otherwise the media would be ALL over it like stink on a pig!

by LordMike 2009-08-15 10:17AM | 0 recs
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by QTG 2009-08-15 06:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Rep. Murtha: No healthcare reform this time

We already have free health care, technically.  All around the country in Walgreens due to the down economy, they will check you out for free and immunize for free. And we have discounted clinics anyway. We don't have a health care reform commercialize.

Obama is beating all the Republican candidates for president in the early stage of the election.

I say scrap the plan and try for a single payer system later on.

As far as the economy, we will have to wait for new jobs to replace the old jobs, it's is as simple as that.  The old manufacturing jobs aren't coming back.

by olawakandi 2009-08-18 01:36PM | 0 recs


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