We should not send new troops to Afghanistan........

President Obama should not send our troops to Afghanistan. It is really not our war. We should give all the logistic support we could give to NATO, Pakistan and Afghanistani troops. For haven's sake I do not understand why Obama thinks that we should put our young men in that God forsaken place.

As Rudyard Kipling said:

 When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
So-oldier of the Queen!

We should train and arm Afghanistanis and Pakistanis to fight against Taliban Just as we did against Soviets (a war I would not have supported).  I do not want any more of out troops to die.

Now don't tell me that we are the only people in this world that have to defend freedom of every one else.

President Obama I have great expectations of you don't disappoint me. Please don't out source our troops. President Obama the whole world is inspired by you please don't become Bush II by sending new troops to Afghanistan.

Here is some thing I read about you in an Indian news paper:

Obama's victory in the American presidential elections may be seen as one of the most seminal moments in world history, after the fall of the Berlin Wall and 9/11. It's a paradigm shift in American history because a man from a community, which was excluded from the American dream till recently, is all set to move into the White House. Now, a dream is coming true for African-Americans.

But Obama is not just the first African-American president of the US, he has something of the world in him: his father was Kenyan; his mother was from Kansas; he did his early schooling at Jakarta in Indonesia; and then he moved to Honolulu in Hawaii. Post World war II, US presidents have all been solidly Atlanticist; for them the world hinged around the America-Europe axis. And the Bush presidency represented an America that effectively seceded from the world.

But Obama, who has been able to reach across divides of race, class, gender and politics and unify his country as never before, represents a diverse and global America. He could become the first truly multicultural US president.

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Get Back Barack

We don't need more troops in Afghanistan, we need to support local efforts to improve the prospects of ordinary Afghanis.  We need to make a clear and bold change, not more wars (they're all stupid), but  more diplomacy and more real assistance through local enterprises.   We need a leader that has the vision, of peace,respect, empathy, no more our way or the highway.  

by anna shane 2008-12-31 03:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Afganistan........

2 words:


by QTG 2008-12-31 05:20PM | 0 recs
two words? Are you missing my brain again?

Good grief..what did you do?

by louisprandtl 2009-01-01 07:06AM | 0 recs
Re: two words? Are you missing my brain again?

"2 words:


youre an idiot

by moscow 2009-01-02 01:14AM | 0 recs
Re: idiot

 So, it worked!

by QTG 2009-01-02 02:04AM | 0 recs
what's wrong in being an idiot?

by louisprandtl 2009-01-02 08:36AM | 0 recs
Afganisthan is our war

It is our war. We are part of NATO and this is a NATO operation. The war on terror was always in Afghanistan. You overlook the fact that the Taliban when in power gave safehaven to Al-Qaeda. Bin-Laden and other senior members of Al-Qaeda had freedom of movement and used Afghanistan as their staging ground for global terrorism.

To allow the return of Taliban to power would be a serious mistake in my view. They terrorized the population to such an extent that even art was banned. Women weren't allowed to learn to read and write. I don't believe in cultural relativism. Evil is evil and the Taliban defines evil.

That the Bush Administration has mismanaged the Afghan war from the start cannot be denied. They have tried to fight it from the air to minimize US casualities. Unfortunately, winning the war in Afghanistan and now likely Pakistan will require boots on the ground and yes that's likely to bring more US and NATO casualities. That's unavoidable unfortunately. At the same time however, we need to rebuild Afghanistan. This is war we can also win by winning hearts and minds. That means more roads, clinics, and schools and more than likely a legalization of opium poppy production. I doubt there is the political will for the latter objective but it is not clear to me what other economic alternative the Afghan people have. It would also help if we realized that Afghanistan in the long run is going to be a failed state given its deep ethnic cleavages so pursuing a partition or perhaps the return of a constitutional monarch might be ideas worth considering but again too often our policy makers fail to think outside the box. There are no easy answers when it comes to Afghanistan but the return of the Taliban must be avoided at all costs.

by Charles Lemos 2008-12-31 06:40PM | 0 recs
You are missing the point.....

Taliban is a creation of Pakistani ISI. Pakistan which has encouraged and outsourced terrorists to fight their proxy wars has huge army. We should insist on them  fighting the war against Taliban.

We should not let them off the hook!

by Joshuagen 2009-01-01 04:11AM | 0 recs
And how do you think we are going to do

that? Pakistan's ISI had been doing this for last 30 years...

by louisprandtl 2009-01-01 05:59AM | 0 recs
We must send our troops to Afganisthan..

But lets be clear about this. Even if we had done everything right conditions in Afghanistan would only be better not good.

This was after all the battlefield Bin Laden chose. This is where the signal for 9-11 was given on the 9th by a fake camera crew.

Afghanistan will be a generational struggle. That we have made major missteps can be overcome.

by Judeling 2008-12-31 09:19PM | 0 recs
Let the Pakistanis and Afghanistanis spill their..

blood. We should not outsource our precious youg men for their cause. Taliban is a Pakistan ISI created problem. Don't forget they have the firm responsibility to fight this war. We let Iraqis off the hook we should not let Pakistanis and Afghanistanis off the hook.

by Joshuagen 2009-01-01 03:50AM | 0 recs
9/11 happened, in part

Because we did the sort of thing you're advocating.  I'm not a fan of adventurism, but we promised the Mujaheddin help rebuilding their country after they tossed out the Soviets.  We bailed on them.

For better or worse, we owe the Afghanis our best efforts at helping them build a future, assuming they want us there.  Unlike in Iraq, in Afghanistan a large swath of people want us there.

I cannot stomach the notion of bailing on them again.  We've fucked them over too many times as it is.  I don't want to see my friends and family sent over there, but I can live with it far more easily than with Iraq.

by Reaper0Bot0 2009-01-01 04:47AM | 0 recs
Re: 9/11 happened, in part

I did not say that we should not support them. All that I am saying is that we should let them do the fighting the same way we did when they fought the soviets. We should supply arms and offer logistic support to fight a smart war but we should not put our people in the front line. Unlike Iraq Pakistan has a huge well trained fighting force.  

Let us learn from our mistakes in Iraq.

by Joshuagen 2009-01-01 05:20AM | 0 recs
We are already giving Pakistan military

a billion a year (or somewhat a large amount) and our supplies are getting blown up or taken over by Pakistani based Talibans...

by louisprandtl 2009-01-01 06:27AM | 0 recs
Not our War?

Just to be clear. It is our war since we started it.  And as far as being part of NATO we asked for NATO countries assistance, it was not the other way around.

Now as whether we should continue it, that is another discussion.

by jsfox 2009-01-01 05:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Not our War?

For the record Pakistan started the war by creating Taliban and encouraging Al-Qaeda militants.

I did not say that we should not support them. All that I am saying is that we should let them do the fighting the same way we did when they fought the soviets. We should supply arms and offer logistic support to fight a smart war but we should not put our people in the front line. Unlike Iraq Pakistan has a huge well trained fighting force.  

Let us learn from our mistakes in Iraq.

by Joshuagen 2009-01-01 05:39AM | 0 recs
Umm...sorry I thought they came here

and blew away the Twin Towers and attacked the Pentagon...and we responded...

by louisprandtl 2009-01-01 06:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Umm...sorry I thought they came here

They didn't attack me.

by moscow 2009-01-02 01:16AM | 0 recs
Oh I'm so glad..

by louisprandtl 2009-01-02 08:37AM | 0 recs
We walked away once, they send jehadis to destroy

the financial center of our country. And you want us to walk away again?

by louisprandtl 2009-01-01 06:04AM | 0 recs
We can support them with arms and logistics!

We do not need to be on the front lines and get another 4000 Americans killed.

by Joshuagen 2009-01-01 06:24AM | 0 recs
We are already doing that and it is not helping..

the reason being Pakistani military does not share our goals...

by louisprandtl 2009-01-01 06:28AM | 0 recs
We really can not win this war unless Pakistan....

military shares our goal and is ready to fight the terrorists.

by Joshuagen 2009-01-01 06:37AM | 0 recs
Well we have a serious problem at our hands...

don't we? Pakistan' military and intelligence services' strategy of dominating the region using Islamic jehadis as a tool for proxy war is not synonymous to our goal of getting rid of the jehadis, Al Qaida and Taliban. So the inherent paradox of the situation is not going to help our cause if we decide to sit out on the sidelines and depend on Pakistan military. For goodness sakes, now the logistics route through Khyber Pass is even closed and we are now negotiating with Russia and other Central Asian countries to reroute our troops and logistics to Afghanistan...

by louisprandtl 2009-01-01 06:45AM | 0 recs
The converse of it .......

Even if we go into Afghanistan and kill a bunch of Taliban and other terrorists Pakistan could recreate the problem. the solution is not getting a bunch of our people killed but to work on the militants in Pakistan. We should try to convince Saudis that they have to change their ways.

We should also try to defend ourselves the best way we can.

Sending more new troops to Afghanistan is not the solution.

by Joshuagen 2009-01-01 07:01AM | 0 recs
Please be more explicit on
  1. What do you mean by work on the militants in Pakistan? Negotiate with them?
  2. We should also try to defend ourselves the best way we can.

What's the plan besides asking us to seat on the sidelines and depend upon unreliable allies like Pakistan military? Convince the Saudis to talk to Pakistan military? Saudis are one of three countries (other than Pakistan and UAE) who recognized the Talibans.
by louisprandtl 2009-01-01 07:05AM | 0 recs
I disagree

because I feel we were right for going there in the first place but... once again, BUSH fucked up! If we had never gone to Iraq, Afghanistan would be a much better place.

After 9/11 the world, yes the world was on our side and on the side of saying ENOUGH to this terrorist BS.

We.. the USA... had a chance to make some lasting positive changes... and we and the bush crime family BLEW it big time.

We can not leave that country hanging... once again.

by kevin22262 2009-01-01 12:48PM | 0 recs
Right on!

Well said, kevin!  And so true.

by cameoanne 2009-01-05 05:50AM | 0 recs
Re: We should not send new troops to Afghanistan..

i don't agree with the diarist's approach.  just because we are not fully to blame for the situation in afghanistan (although our arming of the majahedin and then bailing on the country after the soviets left was not so bright) does not mean that we should sit by while the taliban comes back in force.

furthermore, it's my opinion that as in so many of the problems in the mideast, the saudis are a major factor.  until we light a fire under their ass, they will still have outsize influence.  the only way that his can happen will become completely energy independent.  

in my opinion, the strongest weapon a country has with regards to foreign policy is strength of will.  for too long, we have tried to manage the world by coercing others' behaviors.  we need to affect others by our OWN behavior.  Step number 1: no more imported oil!

by bluedavid 2009-01-01 04:45PM | 0 recs
Re: We should not send new troops to Afghanistan..

I agree, no more imported oil!


We've got to STRENGTHEN america!

by moscow 2009-01-02 01:19AM | 0 recs


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