• our world is in big trouble. I don't agree with her; think she is being stupid, and probably is more interested in saving her tax breaks regardless BUT to assume someone is racist because they do not like Obama is just ignorant and to use the C word speaks volumes about you.

    If this was snark on your part, I wish you were better at it.

  • comment on a post He Rules Their World over 5 years ago

    precautionary comments of some of us were on the mark after all. It is a shame that some bloggers insisted we were nothing but trolls when we warned that people like Drudge, applauded for his trashing of Clinton by SOME so called liberal sites, would turn on Obama the minute he was done with using up all his CDS energy to trash a good woman who has worked for decades for democratic causes.

    Sad.  What goes around.....as they say.

  • comment on a post The Economy is Taking Over The Campaigns over 5 years ago

    older citizens, women (who often are the caretakers of the elderly and the children and understand the impact the costs of health care on vulnerable people ...more often the elderly and the young),the economy (healthcare costs, equal pay, childcare, jobs) has always been THE ISSUE.

    Interestingly, NOW that the stock market is affected negatively more democrats (especially the upper middle to higher socioeconomic classes), are saying "it's economy stupid" again.  The genius of Bill Clinton is that he understood basics.  Mothers worrying about their babies, their children, their parents, may care very much about the war, but it is the bread and butter issues, the DAILY issues, that really make an impact. Now I understand Bush's stupid and wasteful war hurts the economy too but people struggling to feed their kids think about the cost of milk, the cost of gas in how it relates to them, not to the complexities of how the Defense Department affacts it all.

    But in the early part of this campaign, anyone not focusing on Iraq was a war monger and in the end, it has hurt us all.  

    I hope the Obama campaign starts pounding on the reality of everyday economic issues and can get voters to believe the democrats understand these issues and will put them on the front burner.

  • comment on a post SNL: Palin vs. Clinton over 5 years ago

    from negligence in an overcrowded hospital ER because of a system that favors the rich and could give a damn about the poor and because it was heart related the fact that she was a woman was NOT in her favor.  Don't you care?

    You have totally missed the point. This is about political battles and how we win.....not about the issues.  Is Barack going to fix what happened to our siblings any more than anyone else could have?  NO?  And he can't prevent it from happening to others if he doesn't get elected and until we democrats face our own demons, how the hell to we fight the right wing?

    Hillary did not legitimize FOX news any more than Barack legitimized Bill O'Reilly the other day.
    But when the so called left wing allows racism OR SEXISM from the media to go unchecked, ALL of us end up losing.  That is a fact and the right is now capitalizing on the left's short sightedness.
    If you disagree, fine.  But if we don't learn from our mistakes then we are doomed to repeat them.

  • on a comment on SNL: Palin vs. Clinton over 5 years ago

    See the quote above.

    I have never denied the right is sexist...hell they are sexist, racist and sanctimonious hypocrites.  That is not the point.

  • on a comment on SNL: Palin vs. Clinton over 5 years ago

    what is that MLKJr said...

    In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.

    It's what they didn't say.

     

  • I did not consider the anti-war protests of the sixties to have much to do with anything other than the self interest of those threatened by the draft.

    as a blanket statement.  It certainly may have been true of some but not all.  A lot of us got involved in the anti war movement as an outgrowth of the anti segregation movement, the Freedom Riders whom we saw as heroes, and the anti poverty marches.  
    My first protest was actually about stopping the tearing down of inner city homes to make way for condos....and my first memories of political activism was watching television in our area showing people protesting a black family moving into a white neighborhood in Chester PA which was not all that far from where I grew up.

    And out of the anti war movement, grew the women's movement.  
    So perhaps your statement applies to some but, imo, not to all. I was on strike twice while in my twenties and have done union organizing. I came from a family that was basically quiet about their political leanings because my father's job was a government one (cop) in a county that was very republican.  Any city or county job opportunities were connected to your political registration.  My mother worked in a textile factory, a virtual sweatshop and I can still remember fears and tears when the mostly female workforce talked to union organizers.

    I am an economic populist in many ways but I wear the word liberal proudly.  To me it means being open to accepting other ways of life, to accepting that people in the world, not just in the USA, matter and that democracy only works when people speak out against injustice, including economic injustice.

  • I think a lot of elderly (over 75) have issues with race on a level even they don't get. I told my 85 year old Aunt who gets frustrated for even feeling that way (discomfort with people of color or gay people...even though she loves my gay cousins and interracial cousins) that it is the tapes in her head from her childhood.

    Even my neighbor (who is 83) who in the beginning was concerned about Obama because of race told me she is voting for him because she cannot stand phony McCain, and despise Palin (she whispered to me..."I know I shouldn't say this but 'what is a woman with infant thinking about taking a job like that now?'")

    I do believe most of the older boomer that I know are voting for Obama, but would have preferred Hillary.  I was talking to my cousin just now and she feels what I feel...Obama would have been fantastic in eight years.  Now, he comes off as unsure and unsteady. I think he could have learned a lot from Hillary and we would all be better off.
    That will not change for me.

    And when I hear people say, "the boomers are over, they had their chance," I see red.  BOOMER MEN had their chancer...we, the women, were cheated AGAIN.  I will take that to my grave.

  • on a comment on Palin and Clinton on SNL over 5 years ago

    DID NOTHING.

    So them now claiming it's a parody, claiming there is no sexism, makes the left look stupid.  Even a fool can turn to them, and say, "How would you know?  You were silent when the media was trashing Senator Clinton with sexist smears! You obviously don't care about it."

    You can deny it until hell freezes over.  Dean, Brazille and the DNC and the Obama camp were silent when the media attacked Hillary in sexist ways.  And yet these same people, including Obama himself, scolded Ed Schultz for what he said about McCain but never said one word about Rhodes calling Hillary a "wh***" or

    Some of us warned here and elsewhere way back then that the dems should be taking the media to task for their sexism, but NO, they were defended by the left.  Well, now the media is being trashed by the right....and guess what, they are bending over backwards to make sure they are not sexist, and scolding those that are...

  • on a comment on Palin and Clinton on SNL over 5 years ago

    Shrill is sexist.....
    Cankles is sexist...
    Saying someone reminds you of all the ex-wives outside the courthouse after the divorce is sexist...
    Calling someone a scolding school marm is sexist
    Making fun of HER always wearing suits, but never mentioning HIS always wearing suits is sexist...
    Saying men would not want to hear HER voice for four years is sexist....

    and these were just some of the midler comments on MSNBC from the so called liberal commentators.

    NOT a damn peep of protest from Dean, Brazille or the DNC.....

    and yes, the right is playing the  sexism card...and what can the left do?? Not a thing because the left blogs, the so called liberal media reveled in their sexism...and the minute the few women given a voice brought these things up, Matthews, Maddow and MSNBC whined about her "playing the gender card."

    Either you weren't paying attention or this is not an important issue to you.  To me, it's huge.

  • comment on a post SNL: Palin vs. Clinton over 5 years ago

    I loved this part: Both women agreed on one thing: That sexism had become an issue in the campaign. It was an issue that "I'm frankly surprised to hear people suddenly care about that," Poehler-as-Clinton deadpanned.

    Wow...it was like she had read my mind.

    And this morning there was some real irony on MSNBC.  A McCain surrogate (white male) and an Obama surrogate (white female) were going at it. And the McCain guy says "I can't believe how the media has gone after her (Palin) and using sexism...it's just awful...I haven't seen anything so bad (bigotry) since Clarence Thomas was nominated for the Supreme Court."

    Now we all know that as usual the right was using sanctimonious hypocrisy.  That's a given. But what is so sad is how little the female host and the female Obama surrogate could say about it. (The host did say, "Hillary Clinton might argue your point...")

    But what could they say without being as sanctimoniously hypocritical as the right.  They were on MSNBC and only if you are from another planet did you not see the open, derogatory, derisive sexism used against Hillary on MSNBC.  And what was the answer on the left to that sexism?  SILENCE.  Now the right is speaking out the way the left should have and UH OH.......

    Obviously some here are still touchy about what happened in the primaries...even getting their win wasn't enough.  Sigh!  Whether they choose to believe it or not, the sexism, real, not just perceived, to most, ( of course there will always be insecure deniers....) has affected the democratic party and can affect the outcome of this race, especially if the DNC does not HONESTLY deal with what they did and especially with what they did NOT do.

    by Jjc2008 on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 02:10:11 PM EST

  • on a comment on Palin and Clinton on SNL over 5 years ago

    Hillary character said that.

    I also loved this part: Both women agreed on one thing: That sexism had become an issue in the campaign. It was an issue that "I'm frankly surprised to hear people suddenly care about that," Poehler-as-Clinton deadpanned.

    Wow...it was like she had read my mind.

    And this morning there was some real irony on MSNBC.  A McCain surrogate (white male) and an Obama surrogate (white female) were going at it. And the McCain guy says "I can't believe how the media has gone after her (Palin) and using sexism...it's just awful...I haven't seen anything so bad (bigotry) since Clarence Thomas was nominated for the Supreme Court."

    Now we all know that as usual the right was using sanctimonious hypocrisy.  That's a given. But what is so sad is how little the female host and the female Obama surrogate could say about it. (The host did say, "Hillary Clinton might argue your point...")

    But what could they say without being as sanctimoniously hypocritical as the right.  They were on MSNBC and only if you are from another planet did you not see the open, derogatory, derisive sexism used against Hillary on MSNBC.  And what was the answer on the left to that sexism?  SILENCE.  Now the right is speaking out the way the left should have and UH OH.......

  • generational frames.

    I am over sixty, and overwhelmingly the people in my world, friends, colleagues, relatives are left, are life long democrats.  They may not be as left as we were in the sixties, but not one has gone to the right.  But more than a few our kids (thirty and forty somethings) and many of our younger colleagues were "Reagan" lovers.....and while some  suddenly found being independent or libertarian a way to justify their former support of right wingers, they are the people whom I think put W into office.

    A few of my much older colleagues (in their seventies) are more to the right.  But my peers (fifties and sixty somethings) are hardly dominated by  the right wing mentality. Yes, I understand that you see W as one of ours....well so were Bill and Hillary my peers.  More of us are like them and maybe you see them as to the right, most of us see them as having learned some life lessons.  Our generation sanctimoniously refused to vote democratic in 1968 because we did not get our way.  So we bit off our nose to spite our face and got Nixon.  We learned the hard way.  In 1980, I was 35 and I was appalled how many younger voters (first time voters) rallied and worked for Reagan. The college near my home, where I taught courses, has a huge OBAMA coalition.  Back in 1980, we could barely get a handful of kids out to protest apartheid, to protest Reagan or his policies. Those college students are now the forty somethings.

    My friends and I were disgusted.  We couldn't believe it. We were stunned. I do not know one person in my close circle of friends and relatives who voted for Reagan....and in fact to this day we blame those younger and older by a decade for his popularity.  

    And while many bloggers love to blame "old white women" for Obama's failure to jump ahead, I hardly think that is anything more than spin for talking heads looking for some drama.  

    None of us, unless we are pollsters, can give a view except that which comes from our own circle of friends, colleagues, co workers, relatives.  Overwhelmingly those in my circle supported Hillary and now will vote Obama, if not totally enthusiastically....still a vote is a vote.  
    On my block alone, in a conservative city, six out of seven homes are supporting Obama.  Five out of those six were former Hillary supporters.  All of them are households headed by older women.  Across the street the die hard McCain supporters are one older couple (seventy plus, and three younger (fortyish couples).  Up the street there are several really elderly widows (80s, and they remember FDR).  ALL wanted to caucus for Hillary but could not (due to age).  All are voting for Obama. I know because I was precinct chair and have contacted them for voting, for support etc.

    Economic populism would help us a lot....and so would universal health care.  This myth that retirees are living high on hog of our riches cracks me up.  Few of my friends have that and they only have it because they came from money and inherited it.  The rest of us, who have been working steadily since we were teens, thought we would be happily retired and enjoying our later years.  Most of us have gone back to work, at lower paying jobs, just to make ends meet.  
    So, to imply that boomers support the free market does not resonate for me.

  • comment on a post What Makes People Vote Republican? over 5 years ago

    simplistic. Or can be shown in one way or the other.

    I grew up in a poor family, mostly first generation immigrants.  My father and all his brothers gladly fought in WWII. WHY?  They had been raised by immigrants who escaped poverty and fascism and religious bullying from southern Europe.  So their parents emphasized to them over and over how lucky they were to be Americans...to have the chance at education, a better future.

    It shocked my parents when we, their children, protested the actions of our government in Vietnam.  But my cousina and I were lucky.  Our parents worked in union factories, worked hard, long hours but over the years were able to do things their parents could not do...give their children an education; buy a small home.  
    Neither of my parents graduated hs, yet my siblings and I all have college degrees.

    So we essentially became the left....while many from my old neighborhood, who did not get to college, went to work in the factories of our parents, veered right, especially after those factories, those jobs died.  Now their children face an uncertain future, with parents who lost jobs, lost retirements, lost a lot.  These people worry more about whether or not they can pay for a sick parent or child's health care than about the Iraq war.  

    And the younger people? While some here want to depict all the younger people as going left,  in the poor schools where I taught up until I retired three years ago, many of the young parents were military and many of them were first generation Americans or Mexican nationals. I was shocked at how many supported Bush and the war.  The military offered opportunity.....and the notion of fighting for America was a good thing.  I was stunned at how many of these people voted republican...or talked like they did.   Maybe they have changed now.  This notion that the young are left and the old are right does not fit at all in my world.

    Now until after Katrina did I see some of these people looking like they too had issues with the Bush administration.  
    It's complex, it's tribal, it's community and it is an us against them mentality.  When I was a little kid, during the cold war, I remember reading a scifi book about how when aliens invaded the earth the Soviets and the Americans came together to save the world.  I was fascinated with the notion that the cold war could end because of a common enemy.  

    I think in our complex world, we sometimes forget how people put those closest to them first, and that there is more to the notion of the "enemy of my enemy."

  • the so called liberal blogs, I fear, disproved your theory. I saw and was shocked by the amount of ageism and sexism on these blogs....as well as elitism.

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