On recing diaries

On recommend diaries, or the lack there of. At the beginning of the year or thereabouts, the ability to recommend a diary was tied to the ability to rate a comment. Through the abuse of ratings -- troll rating comments that are not against the guidelines -- users lose their ability to rate, and therefore, they lose the ability to recommend diaries.

Also, when you are a "new user" you don't have the ability.

Tags: 2008 election (all tags)

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161 Comments

Re: On recing diaries

Jerome,

That sound fair, except I have never TR'd a single diary ever.  

You all have access to our history I assume, so if I'm wrong by all means say so but I'm quite confident I have never TR'ed anyone or broken any other TOS rule.  

by nextgen 2008-05-15 02:22PM | 0 recs
Not Diary

I meant to say I have never TR'd a single post ever.  

Never insulted another poster
Never insulted a candidate
Never spammed a diary

The issue is something beyond TR caused loss of recommend ability.  

by nextgen 2008-05-15 02:26PM | 0 recs
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We know, but it's a selectively enforced rule.  

Almost everyone abuses the TR function from time to time.  Obama supporters are always operating as if they were on their last warning.  Others are given leniency.

by Agent77 2008-05-15 02:30PM | 0 recs
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Hard to tell, as ones ratings are erased when they abuse them, but I've changed yours.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-05-15 02:32PM | 0 recs
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Why not just change everybody's.

None of this will matter if they cease to become active users.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-15 02:41PM | 0 recs
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See what's happening here? None of the substantive issues are being answered. Some people are having their ratings restored downthread, and go compliant and gushy. Yet they will continue to live in fear. Screw this for a progressive blog. I don't want my rec or ratings restored in this quisling fashion. You've been a stalwart George, and stuck up for other people rather just than for yourself. You're an example to us all, the kind of guy I would want my kids to emulate. So onward and upward, and here's to Obama's victory in November. With people like you supporting him, he'll have no problem. If you don't see me around here again, you'll still have my unseen support

by duende 2008-05-15 04:34PM | 0 recs
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you are so bitter and insulting (claiming the mods here molest kids or something, it was not real clear what you were trying to say) I have to wonder at your continued whining and the agenda behind it.

by zerosumgame 2008-05-15 05:32PM | 0 recs
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Same here.  Thanks for carrying the flag.  I've just been lucking since my rec/rate privs were unceremoniously removed.  Must have offended someone big.  I'm usually quiet.  Was a TU for a while.  Kind of remember HRing some of the more nasty Hillary supporters' comments.  Tried talking to several admins, but I'm not important enought to be talked to.

Tis ok, though.  It will be a good campaign over the summer and fall.  Looking forward to commanding majorities in the House and Senate, and a nice White House of Obama and whomever he chooses.

by Robert in WV 2008-05-15 04:53PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

wow man, read what you wrote. do you really want to come of as that bitter and self-involved?

by zerosumgame 2008-05-15 05:33PM | 0 recs
Really?

Did not mean it to come out that way.

Just meant that life goes on with or without rec/rate privs.  

I still read here and a lot of other blogs.

I just think that it was rude to strip my privs without a warning or heads up.  Further felt it was rude to ignore repeated requests for explanation.

Sorry if I sounded as you read it.  It was not my intent.

by Robert in WV 2008-05-15 05:45PM | 0 recs
I didn't bother asking...

... as I knew that there would be no response.

Jerome, having crashed the gate, is now locking it behind him.

by tbetz 2008-05-15 06:56PM | 0 recs
how does that work?

losing the ability to rate?

is it based on a logarithm?

is it based on moderator intervention?

both?

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 03:45PM | 0 recs
Re: how does that work?

You mean "algorithm."

You of all people, Al!

by Black Anus 2008-05-15 04:14PM | 0 recs
D'oh!

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 04:50PM | 0 recs
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Any chance of an amnesty?  I haven't a clue what I did to lose my privileges.

by Same As It Ever Was 2008-05-15 06:24PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Does this explain it?

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/15/1 81827/066/83#83

by Black Anus 2008-05-15 08:45PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Thanks for the info.

Earlier in the year, either you or Todd mentioned that new users would not be able to rate or rec, or maybe even post for a limited time. Can you clarify what the limitations are on new users (if any)?

by LakersFan 2008-05-15 02:23PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

I don't know the exact settings, its something like a week passes first.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-05-15 02:33PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

I can speak from experience. It's a week to rec, less to rate. I think.

by Falsehood 2008-05-15 02:58PM | 0 recs
I was able to rec and rate

within an hour of signing up.

by Student Guy 2008-05-15 03:41PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

thanks for the explanation.

by denniswine 2008-05-15 02:23PM | 0 recs
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Thanks. I thought this was the case.

by Falsehood 2008-05-15 02:25PM | 0 recs
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Numerous people have lost the ability to rate and recommend despite hardly ever handing out troll-ratings.  In fact, most of them lost it the day Bob Johnson's diary was removed from the rec list, contrary to your claim that it is done on an individual basis depending on how the user rates other people's posts.

There are some serial TR abusers here who skate by.  You can tell who they are because every comment they zero-rate gets rescued by several other people.

by Skaje 2008-05-15 02:31PM | 0 recs
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Well, we both know why you lost yours.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-05-15 02:34PM | 0 recs
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Haha yeah I deserved it.  Not sure about everyone else though.

by Skaje 2008-05-15 02:38PM | 0 recs
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It's so easy,  make one action against hundreds, and then blame it on Bob Johnson and Skaje.

What are we republicans?  Were not that dumb.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-15 02:49PM | 0 recs
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Skaje has his rating powers back because he 'asked nicely'.

by duende 2008-05-15 04:13PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Is there any truth to this theory?

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/15/1 81827/066/83#83

by Black Anus 2008-05-15 08:47PM | 0 recs
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Im a hillary supporter and can't remember when I could rec diaries.

Any chance of getting rec'ing powers back?

by switching sides 2008-05-15 09:58PM | 0 recs
Who is Bob Johnson?

I am new to MyDD.  I missed this diary but I see people referring to it a lot and to this user as well.  

by BPK80 2008-05-15 02:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Who is Bob Johnson?

Bob Johnson and his dog are an ascerbic duo that have a strong following on the Great Orange Satan.  Bob was one of the few "known" Dkossacks that stuck it out on MyDD.  Sometimes he was witty, many times irreverent, but he felt that it was his duty to try to represent Obama supporters fairly.

I knew he was going to catch it for that diary the moment I opened it.

by Sychotic1 2008-05-15 03:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Who is Bob Johnson?

Oh, wow. Sychotic, you were just TR'd by one of the biggest (and possibly most blatant) trolls on this board. Uprated. And perhaps this would be a good time to ask Jerome why relatively new users -- who've had almost every comment they've ever made TR'd or HR'd by multiple people -- are allowed to downrate others.

by sricki 2008-05-15 05:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Who is Bob Johnson?

I asked that very question in a diary earlier today. No one gave a satisfactory answer.

by awobbly 2008-05-15 07:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Who is Bob Johnson?

Thank you.  At the risk of opening a can of worms, would it be possible to summarize what the diary was about?  It's piqued my curiosity since I've seen so many references to it.

Also, if you wouldn't mind helping me fill in another information gap...

I wasn't reading blogs earlier this year.  Dailykos was not a place I was reading regularly anymore and it took me a while to get used to other more balances blogs (this one being my favorite).  On youtube, I was doing a search one day for campaign related stuff and saw that Larry Sinclar video.  I read an article that it made mainstream media in Puerto Rico but not in America.

I've never seen any refernece to it on any blogs and am wondering if it's been thoroughly debunked while I wasn't reading blogs.  I'm not sure whether it's something people aren't aware of or whether it's something that caused an uproar and then was discredited.

Thanks for the feedback so far. :-)

by BPK80 2008-05-15 07:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Who is Bob Johnson?

You can still read the two Bob Johnson diaries in question. The first one:

Clinton backers behind deceptive robo-calls aimed at blacks

That one made the rec list and then was knocked off. Then he did a second one:

TPM on deceptive robo-call story

I didn't actually know the banning had taken place until later.

by sricki 2008-05-15 07:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Who is Bob Johnson?

Bob said he wasn't banned. He said his posting rights were suspended until he accepted a warning, and he wouldn't accept it because he believed it to be unwarranted. Larry Johnson did the same thing at DKos when he stopped posting.

by Black Anus 2008-05-15 08:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Who is Bob Johnson?

Thank you.

I was reading MyDD in April, and I remember that diary.  I guess being new here I didn't notice the individual user name Bob Johnson.  

by BPK80 2008-05-15 09:32PM | 0 recs
Thanks, Jerome. That explains a lot. It would

be good, though, if someone could add the concerns of many people here who claim they've never even TR'd a comment and have lost the ability to rate and/or rec, such as nextgen above.

by Rumarhazzit 2008-05-15 02:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks, Jerome. That explains a lot. It would

Add me to the list...

Can't say I neer TR'd a comment... I wouldn't be surprised if I TRd blatant racism.  But I', neither new, nor a TR abuser. I am an Obama supporter. And I have been critical of this site when it is deserved.  I have acted no different here than at Kos or Talk Left.  So... let's do the tally.  Jeralyn banned me because I disagreed with her posting a Rove attack on Obama (without comment and with implicit agreement); MyDD took away me ability to rate a couple of months ago; DailyKos has allowed me to speak freely and rec posts and diaries.

Let me commenting history at all three places be the judge.

by dannyinla 2008-05-15 04:12PM | 0 recs
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I can rate and I cannot rec. I have only given one negative rating in the duration of my time here.

by terra 2008-05-15 02:34PM | 0 recs
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Has to do with duration.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-05-15 02:37PM | 0 recs
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Really?

As in how long we've been registered at MyDD.  Do you care to tell me how long I've been registered here?

by dannyinla 2008-05-15 04:16PM | 0 recs
And it never comes back?

It's been a couple months now, and I've gotten a fair amount of mojo.  But I lost rec/mojo privileges after the account was a few days old, and never saw them again.

by McNasty 2008-05-15 02:39PM | 0 recs
Re: And it never comes back?

Did you recommend a diary that was removed from the rec list?

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/15/1 81827/066/83#83

by Black Anus 2008-05-15 08:53PM | 0 recs
Re: And it never comes back?

spam

by switching sides 2008-05-15 10:01PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Which was Bob Johnson's diary?  I lost my ability for recing a diary, but it may not have been the same one.

by Agent77 2008-05-15 02:41PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

The one which basically called Hillary a racist because she (or rather, people in her campaign) was conspiring to "keep black people from voting". Or some nonsense like that.

by sricki 2008-05-15 02:45PM | 0 recs
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Oh, I didn't rec that one.

There was another diary critical of site administration that I recced.  Diary - gone.  My reccing ability - gone.

by Agent77 2008-05-15 02:49PM | 0 recs
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Yeah... I'm careful not to rec things like that. I've never had any problems, anyway. I've only gotten one warning, and it was richly deserved.

by sricki 2008-05-15 02:52PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Sricki, you know we all love you.

But there in lies the problem.

WHY should anyone FEAR reccing a diary?

The big word here is FEAR,  we are on a liberal blog and have to fear being liberal?!?!

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-15 02:58PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Well, for one thing, I have no reason to rec a diary that calls out Jerome/Todd/whomever (I don't think Obama supporters have a problem with Jonathan) because I've been unaffected by all the things other people are complaining about. A lot of those diaries also have a pretty harsh tone, too, and I no longer rec anything that isn't positive about Democrats, informative, or full of GOP-bashing.

And I know it sucks for people to have to be so careful about what they recommend, but I'm not inclined to buck the system. It's Jerome's site, so he can do what he wants. I do wish, however, that he was a little more transparent about it -- like, if you lose your ability to rate/rec, I think you ought to know why. And I think you should also know when/if you'd be getting your privileges back.

by sricki 2008-05-15 03:30PM | 0 recs
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sricki, the answer as to why you still have your ability is in your sig line.

And because you're incredibly reasonable, but so are half the people who've lost theirs.

by Agent77 2008-05-15 03:07PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

I know, but I spend a lot of time defending Obama, too. I think most of the Hillary supporters around here dislike me. I'm almost as bad as an Obama supporter to them, and I have no idea how I come across to the mods.

by sricki 2008-05-15 03:17PM | 0 recs
Speaking for myself, sricki, I could never

dislike you. I may sometimes disagree with you, but most times I think we agree. I admire that you defend Obama when you feel it necessary...

by Rumarhazzit 2008-05-15 04:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Speaking for myself, sricki, I could never

Thanks. You've always been one of the reasonable ones, and I'm grateful for that. We have some really crazy/mean people around here.

by sricki 2008-05-15 04:14PM | 0 recs
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Where did you get the idea that the rest of us dislike you?

by Denny Crane 2008-05-15 04:36PM | 0 recs
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Well, not everyone, but I've gotten the impression that a lot of Clinton supporters sort of think that defending Obama and saying that you like him is kind of... a betrayal, or something.

by sricki 2008-05-15 04:56PM | 0 recs
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I don't know who you've been talking to, but whoever it is sounds less like a Hillary supporter and more like a troll to me. Obama isn't my favorite candidate, but he's light years away from McSame. I have Hillary sign in my window right now. If Obama is the nominee, I'll put up the Obama sign. But I'll still be a Clintonista!  :-)

by Denny Crane 2008-05-16 06:20AM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Thanks for that, Denny. You've always been one of the most respectful Clinton supporters here. I wish everyone could be more like you. If Obama's the nominee, we'll support him, but we'll still be Clintonistas at heart.

by sricki 2008-05-17 09:23PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Sricki.I never even had a warning. And as a Hillary supporter, have I ever struck you as an abusive Obama supporter? And yet I've now talked to a dozen overt McCain supporters who have the ability to troll and hiderate me, and I have no such powers. This is not about troll abuse or intemperate comments. A larger principle is at stake - and on that principle I'd wager, the legitimacy and reputation of MYDD.

Noone who comes here wants the group think of Dailykos. They thrive on dissent and reasoned argument. But if that dissent is fixed, if the vote is rigged, and one side - and it is predominantly one side - selectively disenfranchised, then the whole principle of direct democracy collapses.

It's a storm in a tea cup. It's a meta issue. But it's also a fundamental principle, and the general wrongness of what has happened is deterring many from this famous site.

In the short term, there might be more site traffic. People love watching a car crash. In the longer term, it's a disaster, the possibility of understanding alternative points of view, of having the kind of mind opening dialogue we have had, will be lost.

I'm happy to be called a whiner in defence of that.

by duende 2008-05-15 03:14PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

I've never seen you say anything rude or disrespectful. No one who behaves the way you do should be penalized, especially since you've gone out of your way to (re)build bridges with Hillary supporters.

I do think there are some people Jerome should ban. I'm sure we'd all love to submit a list to him. We have racists and Republicans running around here, and some of them get HR'd all the time (yet nothing happens to them). He banned some of the worst offenders awhile back, but it wasn't nearly enough -- I bet a lot of them are coming back under new user names, though.

At the risk of being banned myself, I'll go ahead and say that I think there's a clear bias, and I'd like to see that change. Some people I really liked have either been banned, or have left on their own because they felt they'd been treated unfairly. I don't want Obama supporters to leave. There's nowhere else to talk to them (as a Clinton person). The environment is still toxic at dKos, so I stay out of candidate diaries when I'm there, and I never mention who I'm supporting. Hillaryis44 and NoQuarter are full of racists and lunatics, so this is really the only place where both sides can talk.

I do hope Jerome displays a bit more leniency toward Obama supporters. The fact that I can find plenty of reasonable people who are backing Obama (but not nearly enough of them to overwhelm me they way they do at dKos) is the main reason I come here. If I wanted to, I could safely spend all my time at the Great Orange Satan as long as I didn't mention Hillary, but I'd really rather be here. I like the fact that it's smaller, and I like the diversity of viewpoints on the election. And if Obama supporters didn't feel like they were walking on eggshells, site traffic would increase, which would be good for Jerome as well as the community at large.

by sricki 2008-05-15 04:00PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Have some phantom mojo. Well said.

by awobbly 2008-05-15 04:35PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Thanks. Have some real mojo because I'm a Clinton supporter and therefore haven't been penalized (yet).

by sricki 2008-05-15 04:58PM | 0 recs
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This may be the reason:

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/15/1 81827/066/83#83

by Black Anus 2008-05-15 08:54PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Never read that one. Did read one about allegations that a women's rights group was making confusing calls about registering for the primary versus the GE in NC. I suspect it's all been cleared up now though.

by duende 2008-05-15 03:22PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Technically, I think that's the same one -- though there were actually two. But Bob specifically said it was racially motivated and that the Clintons and/or the people in her campaign were trying to disenfranchise African Americans.

by sricki 2008-05-15 03:34PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

We read different diaries, clearly, even if they had the same words. And I note your silence about my comment just above.

by duende 2008-05-15 03:39PM | 0 recs
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No, I had to go do something. I responded.

by sricki 2008-05-15 04:00PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

And how are we reading it differently? In Bob's diary:

The piece documents similar efforts to disenfranchise African-American voters through deceptive calls in previous primary states.

And Bill Clinton and the Clinton campaign and its surrogates and supporters want to claim that the Obama campaign is "playing the race card?"

While Clinton backers are trying to disenfranchise black voters?

How did you read it?

by sricki 2008-05-15 04:12PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Where's the rest of it? Playing the race card, as I've said countless times defending the Clintons, does not a racist make. And why single out Bob Johnson's diary for some kind of smear attack, when it was backed up by links with creditable newsagencies. I don't believe the allegations, but I'm not such an idiot not to need my own mind made up for me. Bob is a difficult, truculent writer, but he abides by the source rules. And remember EVERY OTHER rec list diary was accusing Obama of playing the race card, most sourced from candidate websites rather than news sources.

I don't want to go back over that particular issue, which is actually connected to some more complex commercial factors. The principle of 'letting us make our own minds up' and 'calling out the diarist ourselves' is what is a stake. To attack that diary in this context is a bit like saying, while watching people burning copies of Satanic Verses, well, it was a crap novel really. How do we know it's crap if it's burnt to cinders.

by duende 2008-05-15 04:22PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

I didn't say Bob deserved to be banned for it, or that people who recommended it deserved to be punished. Nor did I even say that it should have been removed from the rec list. I just pointed out which diary it was because someone asked. And I wasn't smearing him--

Wait, are you talking about what I said or what Jerome did? In any case, I wasn't trying to smear him, I was just saying that the diary implied (and at one point explicitly said) that people in the Clinton campaign were intentionally disenfranchising African Americans. And I linked to the rest of it in my comment above. You're right, people don't need others to make their minds up for them. I don't know why Jerome removed it from the list, and I don't think the people who recommended it should have had their rec/rating abilities taken away. And yes, there was a lot of unsourced crap on the list which should have been removed (there usually is), and Bob's diary was obviously singled out.

You sound really angry. Are you mad at me or at the admins? I certainly didn't intend to offend anyone. I've said before that the site lost a valuable asset when Bob was banned.

by sricki 2008-05-15 04:53PM | 0 recs
Wow I thought

"the Bob Johnson dairy" was the one that talked about the site and how some stuff gets to stay up on the rec list...

by Student Guy 2008-05-15 03:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Wow I thought

As I said, there were two. I'm not sure which one people got in trouble for recommending.

by sricki 2008-05-15 04:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Wow I thought

Both.

by Black Anus 2008-05-15 04:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Wow I thought

Wow, your user name is Black Anus. That's creative.

by sricki 2008-05-15 05:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Wow I thought

This is the one I was talking about, though.

by sricki 2008-05-15 04:13PM | 0 recs
Thanks for the link

I was at home farming when that diary went up.

I think it was over the line.

WVWV was a good 'guy' (using guy in the figurative sense here) back in 2006 getting people to vote, over on Dkos Adam B got specific questions answered by WVWV and in my opinion they were just incompetent.  They aren't an arm of some shadowy Clinton organization.  Obama has ties to the board too.  I know I've been chided about linking their due to its sexism, but over at Chris Bower's site there is a good defense of WVWV.

by Student Guy 2008-05-15 04:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks for the link

I'm not sure why Jerome reacted the way he did to that diary. Some people on dKos were trying to link him to that group. I have no idea whether he has anything to do with them, though. I'm pretty sure it was ultimately established that all of that was a mistake, and certainly not intended to specifically disenfranchise AAs.

by sricki 2008-05-15 05:11PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Is there some reinstatement process?  I haven't had that ability since early February, and honestly I have no recollection why that might be.

by rfahey22 2008-05-15 02:41PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

I'M FREE!  HALLELUJAH!

Seriously, thanks.

by rfahey22 2008-05-15 03:07PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Free at last! Free at last! :D

by animated 2008-05-15 03:12PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

But the mental chains still stay.

by duende 2008-05-15 04:36PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Jerome,

I've never troll rated anyone, nor do I even get into heated discussions here, and was stripped of my privileges some time ago without warning. Can I have my account privileges restored? I'm a big fan of this site, but inability to fully participate makes me want to come here less often.

by animated 2008-05-15 02:44PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Yeah - what (s)he said.

by dannyinla 2008-05-15 04:18PM | 0 recs
Why

Why does a PROUD REPUBLICAN  who Troll rates ALL THE TIME get free reign on this site

His name is ChitownDenny,  he campaigns for John McCain and is a welcome member to this site.

Here is his website:
http://777denny.wordpress.com/
http://777denny.wordpress.com/
http://777denny.wordpress.com/

Also, dont believe the nonsense, if you read the threads EVERYONE said they lost their REC privledges after reccing diaries.

When you are a new user you do not have "Trusted User Status".   Now the afflicted are still "trusted users" that can not rec.

Please read this thread for realism and no spin on this matter:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-15 02:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Why

I haven't laughed so hard in a while.  Thanks for the giggle.

by ChitownDenny 2008-05-15 02:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Why

No please, dont leave Denny.

We need people like you to show off the weak democrats we have.

you do serve a purpose.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-15 02:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Why

So Jerome,  did Denny just commit TR abuse right under your nose, in this diary and the front page one?

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-15 02:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Why

Such a graphic example of breaking the guidlines one could not imagine.

This has happened to me regularly in the last two months. Obviously republicans have trolled and hide rated me (powers I never use except in cases of abusive racism or sexism). I've fought to keep this site clean of freepers, and have exposed a number of trolls, including Pagan Power two days ago.

And yet I'm the one who is penalised. And McCain supporters go unpunished.

The world turned upside down

by duende 2008-05-15 03:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Why

How could anything happen to you for two months when you have been posting here for just over a week?

by souvarine 2008-05-15 03:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Why

Time flies when you're having fun

by duende 2008-05-15 03:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Why

May I suggest that if you ever sign up for another username, let it be "duodenum." Then we can team up.

by Black Anus 2008-05-15 04:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Why

Can't I be larynx or something higher up the alimentary canal?

I was thinking of Mandelstam or Mayakovsky would be more appropriate.

by duende 2008-05-15 04:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Why

Wouldn't "V" work just fine?

by Black Anus 2008-05-15 04:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Why

Make up your mind.  Are you calling me a Repub or a Dem, not that I care either way?

by ChitownDenny 2008-05-15 03:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Why

You repugs are desperate. That blog of yours is pretty sad.

Is that all you got?

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-15 03:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Why

Seen that guy. Very suspicious. Stirs shit and gets Hillary supporters riled up for amusement. Has started some pretty nasty flame wars.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-15 02:59PM | 0 recs
just so you know

your post not only was a weak attempt to 'out' another user it was filled to the brim with insulting language and just plain stupidity. now you can debate the TR you got or you can keep on whining.

by zerosumgame 2008-05-15 05:44PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

I haven't been able to rate for weeks, and I almost never used 1, I usually only used it when I wanted to mojo someone.

and it strange to be able to lose it forever or how it seems and have no explanation as to WHY I lose it.

by TruthMatters 2008-05-15 02:47PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

I was banned with no explanation.  The last thing I did was hide rate a comment from someone who said the Obama adviser was connected with Hamas-which wasn't true.

by mefeck 2008-05-15 03:59PM | 0 recs
I can rate and recommend

sometimes I cannot rate though. I'm not a 100% sure but it might be a computer issue as opposed to a site issue. Last night I ended up logging out (on firefox). Tried to go back to mydd, but got nothing. Blank page. Cleared cache and history. Still nothing. Ctrl F5. Nothing. So, much to my dismay, I logged in using IE, and there it was, I had my rating capability back.

This site has some caching issues is what I figured.

Now question, can someone "over-mojo"? As in, if you mojo a lot, does it hurt?

by lizardbox 2008-05-15 02:51PM | 0 recs
Wow

This answered EVERYTHING, now I am going to Rec this.....

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-15 02:57PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Jerome

You know what happened two weeks ago. You banned a dozen people including Bob Johnson, and then removed the reccing powers of many more. The majority had not abused the site guidelines but had merely recced his and Mumphrey's diaries which you bounced from the rec list.

It's so transparent that you do yourself more favours by admitting it, than pretending it had to do with trolling or hide rating. If that was the case, then these people who would turned up as trollers in the hidden comments section. But it was an entirely different cross section of the MYDD populace.

So fair is fair. It has been a difficult time, and I can understand you need to make sure the site wasn't swarmed by the blogosphere majority of Obama supporters.

But in the process you deprived the reccing powers of some long term users, and its an insult to their intelligence and their contribution to your site not either to:

a) Just restore those powers and help MYDD to restore its natural equilibrium now that the primary flame wars are nearly over

or

b) Just admit that this is no longer a community, with bottom up powers of self regulation and promotion, but a top down editorialised blog, answering to the agenda of its owner.

I'm actually hoping this is a temporary aberration, and that you will actually big big enough to go with option a). I think you'll find a lot of the vitriol towards you and this site will disappear.

But there may be other issues at work, and I don't rule out b)

by duende 2008-05-15 03:01PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Here's an invisible mojo.

by Agent77 2008-05-15 03:11PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries
Through the abuse of ratings -- troll rating comments that are not against the guidelines -- users lose their ability to rate, and therefore, they lose the ability to recommend diaries.

Would the same hold true for up-rating a comment that was against the guidelines?  Cause I see that constantly.
by map 2008-05-15 03:04PM | 0 recs
Thanks!

Jerome,

Thanks for both posting this and for responding to the comments.

by igottheblues 2008-05-15 03:19PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Wow.  Jerome reinstated my rating and recommending ability.  I have to say, I'm actually kind of shocked, out of all the people here, I have the least claim to being unfairly hit, I lost mine because I zero-rated Jerome in his Preening Obama post.  

Obviously, my opinion of Jerome and his site has significantly changed with this.

by Skaje 2008-05-15 03:22PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

I'm so happy for you. Solidarity rules. Especially when fighting for crumbs from the emperor's table

by duende 2008-05-15 03:28PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Jerome has reinstated 2 other people in this thread who just asked nicely.  Yeah, this site still has major problems, but with the primary wars ending soon, it looks like Jerome is at least making some kind of effort to listen.

by Skaje 2008-05-15 03:40PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

So if I ask nicely, then I'll have my privileges restored?

by duende 2008-05-15 04:10PM | 0 recs
Perhaps Jerome knows whose been naughty

and whose been nice in the past... say... two months... as opposed to... say... the past one week.

by PJ Jefferson 2008-05-15 04:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Perhaps Jerome knows whose been naughty

Hey. How long have you been on this site?

I was here four years before the Bob Johnson saga.

If this is your idea of direct democracy - well good for you. Enjoy that solipsistic slide into self-congratulation and irrelevance. I'll be watching the inevitable.

by duende 2008-05-15 04:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Perhaps Jerome knows whose been naughty

"I was here four years before the Bob Johnson saga."  You forgot the one little tidbit about being BANNED before you returned as sockpuppet "duende."

by Caldonia 2008-05-15 06:21PM | 0 recs
That's exactly what I was referring to. nt

by PJ Jefferson 2008-05-16 06:47AM | 0 recs
Naughty? Compared to you

Loved your last diary by the way, asking for dozens of MYDD Obama supporters to be banned.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/5/10271 8/9499

There's no better indication of the weakness of someone's arguments than their inability to brook dissent.

But hey, we know what happened with that kind of politics over the last four months.

by duende 2008-05-15 04:59PM | 0 recs
So, what R all your other usernames, past/present?

by PJ Jefferson 2008-05-16 06:48AM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Would that be under you banned name?  Or your sockpuppet name?

by Caldonia 2008-05-15 06:19PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

your, not you

by Caldonia 2008-05-15 06:19PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Unfortunately, probably not.  I really don't know why I got mine back.  I suggest ask them to give you back your old account once the primary wars are over, they'd probably be willing.

by Skaje 2008-05-16 01:28AM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries
Thank you for addressing this issue. I do not feel I ever abused the rating system or engaged in any untoward conduct, yet I am unable to rec diaries. I could point to many regular users who are regulars on the hidden comment page for good reason who are able to rate and rec. One of them has never, ever given a rating above '1' to anyone - how is that not ratings abuse?
What can I do to regain my "mojo"?
by awobbly 2008-05-15 03:23PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Jerome,

Many people are suspicious because they lose their powers without any warning.  Why can't you make it simple and  have an email/warning handy to send to these people if they've crossed whatever the line it is to lose their rec/rate powers

by reggie23 2008-05-15 03:25PM | 0 recs
by tbetz 2008-05-15 04:10PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

So what is the recourse if you lose your ability?
And you might want to add an explanation of it to new users. I have no idea if I abused mine or not, since I didn't think things listed "mojo, troll, hide" were things anyone took seriously. I actually thought they were like sections or something to the site.

Not that it matters since all the controversy be done soon...

by Lettuce 2008-05-15 03:30PM | 0 recs
One peeve:

The button "Who's recommended this diary ?" should be changed to "Who has recommended this diary ?" ... I can hear my middle school English teacher cringe every time I click on that button =)

And thank you for hosting a wonderful site !!

by SevenStrings 2008-05-15 03:50PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Uhm, shenanigans? I lost my rec/rate ability, after very carefully watching how I was using 'em given the need to walk on eggshells, and once the Bob Johnson thing came along, woom! Done.

This, even though I've been a frequent supporter of this site over places like Kos. Comments get biting sometimes, but we're all adults, for God's sake. Do we really have to wear kid gloves?

by ragekage 2008-05-15 04:18PM | 0 recs
Question, Jerome

When you bumped the two Bob Johnson diaries off the rec list, did you cause them to fall by removing the rec and rating privileges of each person who recommended one of those diaries, so that the recommendations would all be erased and the diaries fall off the list?

I've asked that question in a few different places already and have yet to receive an answer.

by Black Anus 2008-05-15 04:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Question, Jerome

Wow, great point, I never thought of that before.  I only rec'd it after Jerome removed the diary from the rec list because I thought the move was bush league. Then I lost my powers the second time the diary was removed from the rec list.  I guess I thought Jerome had this ultimate power to remove whatever he wanted from the rec list.  Maybe that was his only way of removing the diary without deleting it.

by reggie23 2008-05-15 05:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Question, Jerome

Well, I've asked the question several times now and never get a response. I can't say precisely what that means. I suspect I'm right, and that as a result Jerome wasn't telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth in his diary to which this comment is appended.

If this really was the mechanism by which Jerome managed to move Bob's diaries off the rec list, that certainly doesn't speak well of Jerome's regard for his loyal users. It's really a shitty thing to do en masse to a bunch of people who're simply trying to be part of a democratic community.

by Black Anus 2008-05-15 08:39PM | 0 recs
thanks jerome!

im getting tired of the complaining from people i have seen continually break the rules.

by canadian gal 2008-05-15 04:28PM | 0 recs
Re: thanks jerome!

Thus spake the user who regularly trolls anyone who disagrees. With compliments like yours, who needs insults.

by duende 2008-05-15 04:39PM | 0 recs
Re: thanks jerome!

remember the last time i responded to you?  i said, and will repeat again - REALLY FOR THE LAST TIME - please stop spreading mistruths about me as my record speaks for itself.  thanks.

by canadian gal 2008-05-15 05:07PM | 0 recs
Re: thanks jerome!

You uprate every comment that is pro-clinton...

by hootie4170 2008-05-15 05:08PM | 0 recs
Re: thanks jerome!

hootie i will respond to you but the other person i have no interest. not that i have to justify this to you, but generally i uprate comments that make me think or i agree with and alternately i very rarely TR/HR comments.  but if i do, its either horrifically offensive to a either a user, myself or EITHER CANDIDATE.  now that i have explained myself to you, what's your criteria?

by canadian gal 2008-05-15 05:18PM | 0 recs
Re: thanks jerome!

I can't, I'm one of "those" Obama supporters...who doesn't know what he did...And my Pens are losing 3-0...

by hootie4170 2008-05-15 05:22PM | 0 recs
Re: thanks jerome!

who are they playing?  philly?  dont worry - they'll pull it out, like HRC? ;)

by canadian gal 2008-05-15 05:30PM | 0 recs
You troll record says it all

by duende 2008-05-15 05:09PM | 0 recs
Re: You troll record says it all

Oh, that's rich.  

by Caldonia 2008-05-15 06:17PM | 0 recs
Re: You troll record says it all

Not rich at all. I hardly ever troll anyone.

I've made no secret to anyone, including the admins, about what happened. Check downthread. I haven't been banned under my old user name Brit, just barred from posting and commenting. They haven't replied to emails, thus the only way I can contact them is through a new account.

Simple isn't it? Get this user name banned if you can. It will just prove my point. You have nothing substantive to say and only taunts to make. If posters like you thrive here, and others are repressed, then you're welcome to it. You'd be doing me a favor.  

by duende 2008-05-16 03:48AM | 0 recs
Re: thanks jerome!

Thus spake the sockpuppet.

by Caldonia 2008-05-15 06:16PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

The only comment I had down-rated prior to losing my privileges was one that claimed Obama was clinically insane and had been molested as a child.

(But I didn't lose it then; I lost rating access after recommending a Bob Johnson diary).

Please restore my access.

by MattHucke 2008-05-15 04:39PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries
Jerome,
May I please have my privileges restored?
by awobbly 2008-05-15 04:39PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Jerome, can you help me out...I don't know why my rating/rec privs went away...Can you put me on probation or something like that??

by hootie4170 2008-05-15 05:07PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Looking at the way this panned out, it's quite clear there's no response. No honest account has been given to those who did not absue the site guidelines

Instead, a McCain supporter and two of the most egregious abusers of the trolling system swing by with impunity. Meanwhile, the classic divide and rule. A few people 'who asked nicely' have had their powers restored, and now claim 'free at last', while actually we all know - in the absence of any explanation for what happened - they will blog here in fear, worried about what diaries they rec and who they mojo.

This is direct democracy turning into indirect compliance and complicity. To see independent, strong minded bloggers abase themselves this way is very instructive. This site is now a byword for censorship, republican talking points, and craven top down management.

I think I'll have to write a play or feature about it one day.

In the meantime, farewell. Obama is the nominee and will win the fall.

by duende 2008-05-15 05:18PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Weren't you previously banned from MyDD under another user name?  Why are you even here at all?

Other than flaunting your sockpuppetry to the blogosphere, that is.

Cheers!

by Caldonia 2008-05-15 06:15PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

He was basically banned for no reason, though, as far as we can tell.

by sricki 2008-05-15 06:36PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

A user is not allowed to return as a sockpuppet once banned.  Everyone knows that.  

Plead your case, get reinstated.  But sockpuppetry?  Bad form, bad netiquette.  Dishonest.

by Caldonia 2008-05-15 06:39PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

I get the impression that he tried to get in touch with Jerome, who never responded. Why does it matter to you, anyway? Never broken a site rule? I doubt it. Everyone has at one point or another.

by sricki 2008-05-15 06:53PM | 0 recs
I'm glad you care so much

Thankyou for your kind concern, Caldonia. I actually wasn't banned completely, but had my abilities to post, rec and comment removed arbitrarily, and am still waiting for an explanation. I feel no qualms about returning to question this..

But what is amusing in the extreme is to see you appeal to 'netiquette' after your behavior in this thread.

Fortunately, it's a public forum, and for anyone reading the name 'Caldonia' will become synonymous with infantile taunting and unintentional ironies.

Besides, a genuine sock puppet is infinitely preferable to a two faced hypocrite.

by duende 2008-05-16 03:39AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm glad you care so much

Put a "sock" in it.  You have one, you know.

Cheers!

by Caldonia 2008-05-16 06:19AM | 0 recs
Weak reply. And the moral is...

I shouldn't engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man

by duende 2008-05-16 06:31AM | 0 recs
Troll ratings

I was looking over my two troll ratings and feel they were justified.  One was to an Obama supporter calling Hillary a monster (http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/4/11 1122/7211/14#14).  The other made reference to Ted Kennedy (http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/4/13 1529/0550/57#57) that was just rude.

Otherwise, I have not TR'd anyone.  About uprating comments and reccing incendiary diaries and comments, I don't do that.  To be honest, I can't recall reccing diaries (as they have been removed) that were out there just to flame supporters of one candidate or another.

Thanks for taking into consideration reinstating my privileges.

by igottheblues 2008-05-15 05:28PM | 0 recs
Hey can I have my faculites restored?

I have no clue why they were yanked.

May I reenter the fold, Jerome?

by Bee 2008-05-15 05:37PM | 0 recs
Jerome, please give the

Obama supporters their privileges back -- at least the ones who only lost them for recommending a diary, or some minor thing like that. Or else, tell them why their rec/rating abilities were taken. Some of them seem pissed enough to leave (I know a few left awhile back), and I really, really don't want this place to become an echo chamber the way dKos did. I detest echo chambers, and this is pretty much the last blog that hasn't become one. If it does, I'll have nowhere to go. Over at dKos, all I do is read because there's not much point in talking to a bunch of people who all agree with each other. And even as a Clinton supporter, I have NO desire to go anywhere near Hillaryis44 or NoQuarter.

by sricki 2008-05-15 06:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome, please give the

Have ye some phantom mojo!

by igottheblues 2008-05-15 07:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome, please give the

Agreed.  So many of the de-rec'd have made valuable contributions here.  I miss them.  I also detest echo chambers as sricki mentionied, and you find threads of agreement sometimes with people with whom you might disagree on a candidate; it makes it all more interesting and more fun.

by mady 2008-05-15 07:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome, please give the

Yeah, it bums me out. I know ragekage fled the scene for awhile, but then he came back, though I'm not sure how much he's actually posting. Let's see, MBNYC is still at dKos but not here (don't know whether he was banned or just left). Brit was banned, which is bullsh*t, and now he sounds like he may be leaving permanently, which sucks (although he was, admittedly, a bit irritable on this thread). Setrak was banned a good while ago, but that might have been warranted, since he freaked out a little at Jerome. Still, I wish he hadn't been banned. Then there was Bob Johnson, of course.

There are a lot more, but they slip my mind at the moment.

by sricki 2008-05-15 07:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome, please give the

I've used your email address to explain my irritability upthread. You've always been a model democrat on this site, Sricki, indeed a model human being as far as I can see.  Keep on keeping on.

by duende 2008-05-16 05:27AM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

I still can't rec or rate, and I DEFINITELY did nothing to deserve that.

by Darknesse 2008-05-15 08:40PM | 0 recs
I've never lost my privileges.

But I always recc'd Bob Johnson's diaries.  I think somebody upthread may have hit on what happened.  The recs were removed from Bob's diary, then people located it and recc'd it again (which I'm pretty sure I didn't do).  So Jerome removed the recs again and removed recc'ing privileges from everyone on the list so they wouldn't find it and rec it up again.

That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.

As for the rest of it, I dispense Mojo pretty liberally.  Sometimes because the person says something I agree with, sometimes because I don't necessarily agree but they present a good case, sometimes just to let someone know I read what they said.  As for hides, rarely...mostly just known trolls.

by GFORD 2008-05-15 08:51PM | 0 recs
Thats cause everybody who supporter Obama..

who was the Obvious Democratic nominee lost their ability to rate comments.

Thats why so many intelligent, free-speech oriented Democrats left this (once-great) blog and it is now festering with hillaryis44.org trolls. What a shame. I've never seen a blog moderator who acted so juvenile as to punish every commenter who didn't support his candidate meanwhile ignoring the widespread abuse and ignorance of the hillaryis44.org crowd. Such a shame.

by wiretapp 2008-05-15 11:32PM | 0 recs
Re: On recing diaries

Jerome

May I please Have my rec and rate back

thanks

by wellinformed 2008-05-16 12:54AM | 0 recs

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