Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

Alegre has a new diary up at Hillary's Bloggers criticizing Obama for moving the DNC operations to Chicago.

In just a few short paragraphs she manages to squeeze in some rather unflattering and unhelpful remarks about our presumptive nominee and the Democratic party:

  • she refers to Obama as "Bam Bam"
  • she says Obama is "not the nominee and hopefully won't be"
  • she trash-talks the Democratic Party, calling it a "sorry-@ss party" in need of rescue.

A few days back there was a diary on MyDD praising Alegre for her hard work and dedication, but it seems quite clear now that Alegre's passion for her candidate has crossed over into antipathy towards the Democratic Party.

It's not just that she's ignoring the urgings of Senator Clinton to support Barack Obama, she's actually hoping that some tragedy befalls him that will prevent him from becoming our nominee. She recently wrote that she hopes Obama "self-destructs" before the convention. If that were to happen it would weaken the party and severely jeopardize our chances of winning in November.

Some people have been calling for a "cooling off" period in which die-hard Clinton supporters like Alegre are allowed to gradually warm up to the reality that Obama will be our nominee. I get that, and I think Clinton supports should take all the time they need, but in the meantime is it too much to ask that Democrats not wish for bad things to happen to other Democrats?

Tags: hurting, Not helping (all tags)

Comments

202 Comments

honestly...

are you guys obsessed?

by canadian gal 2008-06-12 09:12PM | 0 recs
Re: honestly...

There is a lingering resentment over the fact that she put 2-3 diaries on the rec list almost every day on this site and is now hanging out with the dead-enders refusing to support Obama.

by Skaje 2008-06-12 09:15PM | 0 recs
Re: honestly...

I don't care if she doesn't support Obama, I just don't like that she is fantasizing about some tragedy or scandal that will prevent him from becoming the nominee.

by jdusek 2008-06-12 09:21PM | 0 recs
Re: honestly...

Its ok guys, just because I rag on Brillohead sometimes doesn't mean I don't love you all.

by AIegra 2008-06-12 09:28PM | 0 recs
Move your Trolling somewhere else

I really wish the site monitor's were more vigilant.  I've really had it with this racist bullshit.

by The Fat Lady Sings 2008-06-12 11:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Move your Trolling somewhere else

I'm assuming you realize this is an Alegre spoof. I could not agree with you more.

by OtherLisa 2008-06-12 11:21PM | 0 recs
I do

I find what's going on in this thread offensive in the extreme.  Where the hell are the admins tonight?

by The Fat Lady Sings 2008-06-12 11:36PM | 0 recs
Re: I do

I am copying it for my records. If the diarist comes to his senses and deletes this POS, I want to make sure there's a record of just how far this site and the progressive movement in general has fallen.

by OtherLisa 2008-06-12 11:40PM | 0 recs
Re: honestly...

Dude that's kind of mean. I see you are alegrA and not alegrE so you can get away with saying blatantly offensive stuff and have it attributed to someone else because of name association but that still is not cool.

by kbal 2008-06-12 11:28PM | 0 recs
Re: honestly...

JD, post this at Kos, man.

by ragekage 2008-06-12 09:56PM | 0 recs
Re: honestly...

And then again, why WERE thy on the recommended list?

Because all the people recommending them were idiots?  Is that what you're saying.  If not, perhaps you could explain it a bit more.

Otherwise I'll just have to hang my head in shame for being an idiot, which I personally don't think I am.

by Gabriele Droz 2008-06-12 10:11PM | 0 recs
Re: honestly...

You'll have to answer that question for us, because I honestly don't know why people rec'd her campaign fed propaganda and baseless smears.  It's a mystery.

by Didion 2008-06-12 10:39PM | 0 recs
Re: honestly...

"...campaign fed propaganda and baseless smears."

This was all one-sided, from Hillary's campaign, right?

Right!  Obama never would have stooped down by himself or his surrogates to do any such thing.  Am I correct?

by Gabriele Droz 2008-06-12 10:49PM | 0 recs
Re: honestly...

Nice. The "both sides did it" argument.  

Fine... for the sake of discussion I'll concede the point.  Now why would you want to rec diaries that, to quote you, "stooped down" to that level?

by Didion 2008-06-12 10:53PM | 0 recs
Re: honestly...

Just answer my question if you can.

by Gabriele Droz 2008-06-12 11:02PM | 0 recs
Re: honestly...

Which one?  I already said only you can answer your original question because I have no idea why someone would rec senseless propaganda and debunked smears.

by Didion 2008-06-12 11:06PM | 0 recs
Re: honestly...

Go on, and prove the things you're featuring as your truth.  I look forward to your comments.

by Gabriele Droz 2008-06-13 08:59PM | 0 recs
Re: honestly...

alegre for the most part wrote postive diaries about Senator Clinton that stayed out of the crap that some were writing about Obama on this site.  I actually preferred her diaries to some of the nastier anti-Obama ones that would also dominate the rec list.

by Skaje 2008-06-13 04:40AM | 0 recs
Re: honestly...

some people seem to just cruise around looking for something to be outraged about, and I am not excluding alegre from that group. just say'n

by zerosumgame 2008-06-12 09:17PM | 0 recs
I agree.

She posted this at a Clinton blog, not MyDD.  Leave it alone.

by psychodrew 2008-06-12 10:22PM | 0 recs
Re: I agree.

i was almost tempted a minute ago to post a GBCW diary since downthread they are talking about going after her in RL.  this is insanity!

by canadian gal 2008-06-12 10:31PM | 0 recs
Re: I agree.

Ugh.  That is so out of line.  Report to the admins if you think they are serious, but don't leave!  

by Didion 2008-06-12 10:41PM | 0 recs
Re: I agree.

I'd just like to point out that I don't agree with what's going on.

My intention with this diary was to criticize what Alegre wrote -- that's all.

What Alegre does in her real life is not my business and is not relevant to the point I was trying to make.

by jdusek 2008-06-12 10:41PM | 0 recs
Re: I agree.

Writing a call-out diary is pretty inappropriate as well, jdusek. You are inciting people to go further with this kind of action. You've given them the sanction and a safe space to do so. You shouldn't be surprised. Your words fueled this.

You reap what you sow. Nice harvest. I'm personally feeling the unity.

by OtherLisa 2008-06-12 10:47PM | 0 recs
Re: I agree.

I wrote down page why I feel this diary is fair game.

I'm frustrated with what Alegre wrote -- period.

I'm not inciting people to do anything other than say they agree or disagree with me.

But I've also said I will delete this diary if people think it's out of line. If you are offended and would like me to remove it, please say so and I'll delete it.

by jdusek 2008-06-12 11:09PM | 0 recs
Your call

I find it offensive and inappropriate, not to mention bizarre. But I'm not going to tell you what to do.

Read the thread. See what you've encouraged. If you think people like Student Guy and RageKage are exhibiting good progressive values, then by all means, let it stand.

by OtherLisa 2008-06-12 11:19PM | 0 recs
That's it, my friends

I am out of here for a while.  When people start talking about going out and 'getting' other people - it's time for a vacation.  Good luck!  

by The Fat Lady Sings 2008-06-12 11:43PM | 0 recs
me too

by OtherLisa 2008-06-12 11:49PM | 0 recs
Re: I agree.

What we all do in our personal lives is VERY relevant to our causes.  Not all of us are able to justify working for a corporation we despise while getting a paycheck keeping us alive.
http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/6/13/1 1047/9252/115/post#here
MyDD :: Comments Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself
Here's my own story if you want to know.  I'm neither a capitalist, nor a Republican, nor a war mongerer.  My candidate is Hillary, and I've chosen my life upon other things than things:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cd6oOiXexA0

There are still, I hope, some things that can respect each other for what we do in our own lives.

It's easy to smear someone we don't know.  Someone who very well may have the same or similar values, while we differ on our choices of candidates.

None of us should be doing what we are doing to each other right now.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cd6oOiXexA0

by Gabriele Droz 2008-06-12 11:11PM | 0 recs
What is it with trolls and crazies?

It just isn't possible to discuss anything any more.  The threads get hijacked by extremists.  Where are the admins?  

by The Fat Lady Sings 2008-06-12 11:22PM | 0 recs
Re: I agree.

That really bothered me, too.  Good on you for saying something.

by psychodrew 2008-06-13 05:56AM | 0 recs
Alegre is dead here.

She's lost all credibility, and shouldn't be taking up space in anyone's heads at this point.

Time to move on.

by spunkmeyer 2008-06-12 09:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Alegre is dead here.

sadly true, I was hoping she could reconcile but it looks like she can't...sigh

by zerosumgame 2008-06-12 09:18PM | 0 recs
Extreme language

charged words. And you are keeping her name alive.

by catfish2 2008-06-12 09:49PM | 0 recs
Give it a rest. n/t

by spunkmeyer 2008-06-12 09:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Give it a rest. n/t

Then again, why don't you all give Alegre a rest?

by Gabriele Droz 2008-06-12 11:13PM | 0 recs
Because she still posts garbage

See the cause and effect?

by Regenman 2008-06-12 11:15PM | 0 recs
false connection

She's not posting here. And your calling it "garbage" is not exactly a sterling example of rigorous logic.

by OtherLisa 2008-06-12 11:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Alegre is dead here.

If she is dead, then why are you still talking about her.  Seems to me that she is alive and well.

I think that what is happening here is that some people are having trouble with the fact the primary is over.  You can't bash Hillary anymore, so bash Alegre instead.

by psychodrew 2008-06-12 10:27PM | 0 recs
You have a point

some people are having trouble with the fact the primary is over.

There's no doubt that's true.

Hang it up.  Move on.

by spunkmeyer 2008-06-12 10:41PM | 0 recs
Do you read?

Seriously, you have a serious lack of reading comprehension.  Who seems to have an issue with the fact that the primary is over?

Are you defending the woman who says Obama is not the nominee and call our party the dead-enders?

In fact, I'd say there was more alegre bashing here than Hillary bashing in the last few months--mainly because of her vitriolic rhetoric.  Alegre was not a good ambassador for HRC.

by Regenman 2008-06-12 10:46PM | 0 recs
She's posting things on a pro-Hillary blog

Not here.

Why the hell are you taking it so personally?

I've watched how things have gone in the Cheetosphere during this primary. You won't let dissenters have a safe space to express their opinions. So they go elsewhere. And they still aren't allowed to express themselves without gratuitous attacks.

I've never seen such a pack of poor winners in my life.

by OtherLisa 2008-06-12 10:51PM | 0 recs
Don't be deliberately obtuse

A blogger who had recced diaries daily here for 6 months is now an empty cypher in your book because she posts elsewhere?

So she doesn't have a history in your mind.  That's odd, don't we evaluate people on what they have done?  Isn't your resume an amalgamation of the experiences you want to project and isn't it the job of the interviewers to figure out what you're hiding?

Aren't Scalia's business dealings relevant in determining conflict for his cases?

Or you truly that dense?

Call us poor winners, but look in the mirror for a poor logician.

by Regenman 2008-06-12 11:07PM | 0 recs
Okay, call me obtuse

What exactly is your point?

Because Alegre is a strong Clinton supporter, because she still supports her candidate, because she's chosen to go elsewhere to post her views, you think it's appropriate to post a call-out diary about her? One in which people threaten to reveal her RL information?

Do you think this is acceptable?

Why do Alegre's opinions disturb you so much? Do you find them personally threatening? Because honestly, I can't think of any other reason for you and many of the other posters here to continue with your bizarre obsession with her.

by OtherLisa 2008-06-12 11:15PM | 0 recs
Wow you are dense

I think we've all been pretty clear that supporting your candidate in good faith is one issue and Alegre is on another plane.

I like how you call it a bizarre obsession when she's the one that has been dominating this website for over 6 months.

And stop mass troll rating all the posts, you're the only one doing it.

by Regenman 2008-06-12 11:18PM | 0 recs
She's not posting here

So what is it that you want? Is she supposed to continue posting here with diaries that you disagree with?

I doubt it. You said earlier that she shouldn't come back as long as she holds opinions contrary to yours.

So, okay. She's posting elsewhere. And your problem with that is...?

She's expressing an opinion with which you disagree! I see. She's not supposed to do that here, and she's not supposed to do it elsewhere. That's what I call Unity! (TM)

I rarely troll-rate. But if anything deserves troll-rating, the comments in this article do. They are text-book, according to myDD's rules.

by OtherLisa 2008-06-12 11:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you read?

I think my reading comp skills are good.  I read a lot while working on my MA in psych.  It seems to me like someone has some displaced anger.

by psychodrew 2008-06-13 05:54AM | 0 recs
Well she

was on a Clinton steering committee, she is obviously very committed to her cause.

And yes I can back up what I say with proof if requested (all hail teh googol!)

by Student Guy 2008-06-12 09:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Well she

Oooh, amusing! I'd love to see.

by ragekage 2008-06-12 09:18PM | 0 recs
ping me you know how

and I will show you the way...

by Student Guy 2008-06-12 09:19PM | 0 recs
Better yet

I'll ping you with some truth...

by Student Guy 2008-06-12 09:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Better yet

You know how to hit me up, Doc. G-to-the-izzle Mail. I'll wait to hear from ya.

by ragekage 2008-06-12 09:26PM | 0 recs
Already done

BTW did you hear about Flowbee it is 35 on teh googols...

by Student Guy 2008-06-12 09:34PM | 0 recs
Wow...

Your skillful use of cool "Hip-hop" lingo indicates your membership in the Creative Class!

Color me mega-impressed.

by OtherLisa 2008-06-12 10:52PM | 0 recs
I'd like to know for Denver

There are a number of delegates in the Bay Area that are interested in meeting Alegre in Denver just to satisfy a certain level of curiousness.  Will simple searching really narrow the scope?  There's a list of members of the steering committee at a GW site, I guess we can narrow it down from there.

Of course, she has stated that she's too poor to go to Denver but looks like that's hogwash.

by Regenman 2008-06-12 11:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Better yet

oooh, oooh, I wanna know da secret!

Heh, I always knew there'd be some connection like that.

by fogiv 2008-06-12 10:37PM | 0 recs
Patience

find one of my old diaries and let me know how to contact you...

by Student Guy 2008-06-12 10:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Patience

Done diddly done.

by fogiv 2008-06-13 07:11AM | 0 recs
You know her true identity? Shame on you

for stalking!

by bobdoleisevil 2008-06-12 09:20PM | 0 recs
I read a blog with comments

which happened to reveal who she was.

by Student Guy 2008-06-12 09:20PM | 0 recs
Re: I read a blog with comments

Yeah, it's not really hard. That's a scary thing, though, you let enough info out about yourself, anyone can track you down who's halfway inclined to.

by ragekage 2008-06-12 09:23PM | 0 recs
Indeed

If someone really wanted to find out my ID, it would be a piece of cake with the google from the info in my profile here.  Scary huh.

by Student Guy 2008-06-12 09:37PM | 0 recs
seriously SG.

that's not cool.

by canadian gal 2008-06-12 09:24PM | 0 recs
I refrained

from revealing I knew this until she did something like this and I had no part what-so-ever in finding out who she was.

I can promise you that and my word is my honor.

by Student Guy 2008-06-12 09:26PM | 0 recs
but what you are doing

is stalkerish and intimidation tactics and really not like you at all.  i really disappointed.

by canadian gal 2008-06-12 09:31PM | 0 recs
Alegre is buying into right-wing framing

spread by Jacob Freeze. She's a smart woman. She should know better than this.

I tried to post over there, but I think she's banned my account.

by slinkerwink 2008-06-12 09:34PM | 0 recs
Jacob Freeze is a conspiracy theorist crazy

winger, but that wing may not be exclusively the right one.

by bobdoleisevil 2008-06-12 09:36PM | 0 recs
you have no idea if he's a left-wing

conspiracist due to the anonymity of the internet. He could very well be a McCain troll for all we know.

by slinkerwink 2008-06-12 09:38PM | 0 recs
At dKos in mid/late 2007 he was ranting

about disrespect shown to Cindy Sheehan there (he may have been faking, but I doubt it).

by bobdoleisevil 2008-06-12 09:45PM | 0 recs
Re: I refrained

Yeah, SG, I don't know about this.  What more does anyone need to know than the autobiographical material she included in her diaries?  We get where she's coming from.

by rfahey22 2008-06-12 09:35PM | 0 recs
She is spreading

right wing framing, if I did the same I'd be fair game too.  There are people in this community who have my name and address.

I am using Alinsky's rules for Radicals.

by Student Guy 2008-06-12 09:42PM | 0 recs
Re: She is spreading

This is very, very uncool.  What you;re saying is that anyone who disagrees with you is fair game, and now you're encouraging people to do what - contact her in real life?  You aren't the person I thought you were at all. Alinsky's "the ends justifies the means" nonsense isn't helpful at all.

If Alegre wants to buy into right wing framing, that's her business.  I've no idea why people care, because I certainly don't.

by Denny Crane 2008-06-12 11:51PM | 0 recs
Re: I refrained
dude




[uncool]
by alyssa chaos 2008-06-12 10:08PM | 0 recs
Re: seriously SG.

It's not hard, CG. Hell, even I know she lives in Georgetown, her husband is well-to-do (in the 300k per year range), she's got a house in the suburbs (Georgetown from what she said, if I had to guess), and she drives a Chevy Tahoe, and that's all gleaned from comments she left on this site, and nothing more.

by ragekage 2008-06-12 09:40PM | 0 recs
RK

you got a bonus gift that I've been sitting on for the same amount of time enjoy the hypocrisy contained within.

by Student Guy 2008-06-12 09:44PM | 0 recs
HAH!

Schadenfreude, anyone?

by ragekage 2008-06-12 09:51PM | 0 recs
You got my emails I take it

Isn't it interesting, what dedicated people can find on the google.

by Student Guy 2008-06-12 09:54PM | 0 recs
Re: You got my emails I take it

Yes, Google is all-powerful and all-knowing. Everyone looking to make an ass out of themselves and enemies with people with entirely too much free time should keep this in mind.

by ragekage 2008-06-12 09:55PM | 0 recs
Re: You got my emails I take it

ah man this sounds good. I want in on the gossip email chain.

by Tatan 2008-06-12 10:12PM | 0 recs
I lost access

to my lycos account so I don't have it (careless internet black ops can force you to abandon an account as Paulites are very good with the hacking scripts [don't worry I deleted everything before I left it])

by Student Guy 2008-06-12 10:17PM | 0 recs
I thought she lived in Maryland?

by bobdoleisevil 2008-06-12 09:46PM | 0 recs
Re: I thought she lived in Maryland?

Well, Georgetown is technically part of DC, but it was part of Maryland until the late eighteen hundreds, I believe. But she could've mentioned it to "sound cool". Certainly sounds cooler than Chevy Chase, for instance.

by ragekage 2008-06-12 09:52PM | 0 recs
BobDole

I want those screen shots, I'll return the favor...

by Student Guy 2008-06-12 09:55PM | 0 recs
But e-mail me (I responded to you on

Big Bad Orange; e-mail address is that username at gmail)

I may denounce and reject your tactics, but I'm still very curious!

by bobdoleisevil 2008-06-12 09:21PM | 0 recs
Beg RK for the info

I just sent it to him.

by Student Guy 2008-06-12 09:25PM | 0 recs
I'll send you screenshots of Cody Eliff's

Facebook profile (dude who was President of Iowa Students for Hillary and wrote that thing on Facebook urging people to support McCain (or McKinney)) in return!

I friended him, and he accepted :)

by bobdoleisevil 2008-06-12 09:26PM | 0 recs
But, it's fine. Whatever.

by bobdoleisevil 2008-06-12 09:27PM | 0 recs
Okay

I forgive, I'll send it to you in a minute, I am using my 'real' account for this (not a throw away internet black op, but not my real one).

by Student Guy 2008-06-12 09:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Well she

you're a total liar.

by owl06 2008-06-13 09:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

This has become quite an interesting study on the effect that a presidential race has on one person's psychology.

by rfahey22 2008-06-12 09:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

Just one?

by ragekage 2008-06-12 09:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

Well, one who likes to blog quite a lot and who led a supposed movement against exactly the same types of smears that she now seems to engage in.

by rfahey22 2008-06-12 09:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

I'd say it's telling about the psychology of a whole lot of people, but her propensity for writing did give us special insight.

by ragekage 2008-06-12 09:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

Yeah, I personally know someone very similar who just won't support Obama this year.  There are just some people who choose to nurse a grudge rather than move on, and that's dangerous.  

by rfahey22 2008-06-12 09:31PM | 0 recs
If you set something free

and it comes back to you, it's yours.

I suspect Alegre is flapping her wings furiously to get far, far away.

by Dumbo 2008-06-12 09:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

I reckon we should just let bygones be bygones, eh?

by Shaun Appleby 2008-06-12 09:21PM | 0 recs
She came back to participate in and rec

the Hampster diary about "scary corrupt Chicago ZOMG" today.

by bobdoleisevil 2008-06-12 09:22PM | 0 recs
Re: She came back to participate in and rec

Did she now?  Game's on then.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-06-12 09:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

That's cool, we don't want her back. She lost all of her credibility forever. I mean, look, she was the epitome of Clinton supporter and blogger, rah-rah for the home team, etc. And now, if we needed any proof she was lying about supporting the nominee, here it is.

She's not pro-Clinton, she's anti-Obama. And we've seen people who're really pro-Clinton, like Canadian Gal (who incidently isn't even American), Sricki, Bobswern, VAAlex, Pyschodrew, Rummarhazzit... etc, etc. They're supporting the party now, but they haven't stopped supporting Senator Clinton, and rather than stomping their feet and playing sour grapes, they're, gee, I don't know, trying to make a difference.

Good riddens to bad rubbish.

by ragekage 2008-06-12 09:22PM | 0 recs
In her defense, she's in a highly delusional

state right now. In that state, Barack Obama is not yet the nominee and Hillary Clinton still has a serious chance of being nominated at the convention.

So we have to give her two months, I guess.

by bobdoleisevil 2008-06-12 09:25PM | 0 recs
Re: In her defense, she's in a highly delusional

Thorazine.

by ragekage 2008-06-12 09:40PM | 0 recs
not helpful

by slinkerwink 2008-06-12 09:41PM | 0 recs
Re: not helpful

You're absolutely right, of course, and I'm going straight to hell, but I just couldn't resist.

by ragekage 2008-06-12 09:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

That's really the point of my diary, rage. Some strong Clinton supporters, like those you've mentioned, have lined up behind our presumptive nominee. Others are choosing to stay neutral on Obama, which I also respect. But Alegre has switched over from being a pro-Clinton Democrat to being anti-Obama and anti-Democrat. She's not trying to make a positive difference, she's hoping for disaster to befall the party.

by jdusek 2008-06-12 09:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

Indeed, and kudos for making the point very succinctly.

by ragekage 2008-06-12 09:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

You left out linfar.  I mean, wow, even linfar (who absolutely despises Obama) has realized that supporting the Democratic nominee against McCain is what is best for this country, and what Senator Clinton wants.

I always figured alegre was a real Democrat, turns out I was wrong.  She's just another member of the candidate-first, party-second crowd that took over mydd the past few months.

by Skaje 2008-06-12 09:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

Linfar rec'd the NewHampster diary today.  She may still be a wildcard.

by rfahey22 2008-06-12 09:41PM | 0 recs
No she is not

She still has doubts about Obama, but she is on the right side, if you doubt her go check out the site http://www.clintonistasforobama.blogspot .com

by Student Guy 2008-06-12 09:48PM | 0 recs
Re: No she is not

Hm.  Maybe it was a twitch reaction on her part.

by rfahey22 2008-06-12 09:56PM | 0 recs
Re: No she is not

Agreed.  While I may whinge about stabs from those on the same team, i'll nounce (is that the opposite of denounce and renounce?) anyone willing to honestly question our own weaknesses.

Echo chambers feel warm and cozy but can have flimsy walls...

by chrisblask 2008-06-12 09:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

Trolls will be trolls!

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-12 09:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

I'm just curious to see what she looks like and how old she is. Does anyone know?

by venician 2008-06-12 09:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

looking into people's offline identities of posters is over the ethics line. Alegre, for all her awful mistakes, deserves privacy until such time as she chooses to couple her online identity with her offline one.

by really not a troll 2008-06-12 09:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

Wellll, I dunno. She made claims about working paycheck to paycheck, for instance, to bolster a "street cred" image that is obviously false. Clinton supporters, on no less than three occasions on this very site, tried to nail down the same information on me. Luckily, I'm clean, and I mopped the floor with them on what information they did pick up. Heh.

Alegre? Not so much.

by ragekage 2008-06-12 10:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

Just because it was done to you does not make it right or justified.

Alegre may be lying. That's part of the nature of blogging, though.

by really not a troll 2008-06-12 10:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

Well, I didn't really say it was right, but I say it's a peril of the job.

by ragekage 2008-06-12 10:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

I happen to agree with this.

Now restating information that a blogger willing released to the public is fine.  Alegre did release a lot of private information in her diaries.  Using that info may or may not cross the line.  For instance attacking her credibility on how the poor live is fine if she told you she drives a late model luxury car and lives in a posh neighborhood.  Attacking her son, clearly over the line.

Using that released personal info to track the person down does cross the line imho (and is a bit creepy).

by shalca 2008-06-12 10:16PM | 0 recs
It just makes me sad

I know Senator Clinton would be disappointed to hear about this since she'd called upon Alegre in a couple of conference calls. Clinton has asked her supporters to back Obama, and most of them have done so. I wish Alegre would listen to Senator Clinton.

by slinkerwink 2008-06-12 09:30PM | 0 recs
Re: It just makes me sad

Or reason.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-06-12 09:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

Guys stop being so mean to Alegre!  She needs love and support, she's going through a painful time, ok?

by HillarysDesire 2008-06-12 09:31PM | 0 recs
she may be going through a painful time

but it's no excuse to spread right-wing framing about Senator Obama moving the DNC to Chicago.

She doesn't understand that the presumptive nominee, the one who has a majority of delegates, is traditionally handed control of the Democratic National Committee.

It's the national operation of the DNC that is being moved to Chicago to coordinate message control over the talking points, television ads, and to raise money as well in beating John McCain. This is a GOOD thing that Obama's done here. The local and state operations are still in Washington, D.C.

by slinkerwink 2008-06-12 09:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

Deep snark, there.

by BobzCat 2008-06-12 10:39PM | 0 recs
One diary already got pulled today

for calling out a diarist.  Do you really want to make it two?  Don't you think that this is kind of obsessive?  A little weird, maybe?

by dbrown04 2008-06-12 09:32PM | 0 recs
Re: One diary already got pulled today

I'll gladly delete this if people think I'm out of line, but first let me explain why I think it's fair game:

1) I'm criticizing what Alegre wrote, not attacking her personally.

2) Alegre is not just an anonymous MyDD diarist, she's a member of the political blogosphere. She posts at several sites, has been interviewed for her opinions on the presidential race and is well-known outside of this community.

But if people disagree and would like me to take down the diary, let me know and I'll do it.

by jdusek 2008-06-12 09:44PM | 0 recs
Re: One diary already got pulled today

Look, it's borderline deletable, I just have no clue why you would give her more attention or link to her? I just don't get it. And your interpretation of her wishing that Obama "self-destructs" is actually wishing him harm is really bizarre. You think she literally hopes he'll self-destruct? Come on.

by Todd Beeton 2008-06-12 10:55PM | 0 recs
Re: One diary already got pulled today

Todd,

My apologies if I've crossed the line in writing this diary -- please remove it if goes against the rules.

I don't necessarily think Alegre is wishing Obama physical harm, but you have to agree it would take something pretty damaging to overturn his victory. I don't know what that might be, but certainly it would be harmful to him personally, to his family and to the Democratic Party's chances in November.

I find it "really bizarre" that any Democrat would be wishing for such an event to befall our party. That's why I wrote this diary.

by jdusek 2008-06-12 11:20PM | 0 recs
Re: One diary already got pulled today

I find it "really bizarre" that a diarist would stalk a person all over the internet, and condone others who do the same.

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-12 11:32PM | 0 recs
Re: One diary already got pulled today

To be clear, I don't condone the stalking. I've said so up page and I'm saying so here.

(I'm also about to delete this diary.)

by jdusek 2008-06-12 11:47PM | 0 recs
Re: One diary already got pulled today

You DO condone stalking. That's the entire premise of your diary. You stalked Alegre on another site, and you're posting info about it here. You're also actively encouraging others to post RL info about Alegre.

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-13 01:07AM | 0 recs
by tbetz 2008-06-13 06:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Explanation?

Easy. You are a troll, and an intellectually dishonest one at that.

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-13 09:21PM | 0 recs
Re: One diary already got pulled today

I feel compelled to set the record straight on this, since you are accusing me of behavior that I don't agree with.

1)  I did not "stalk" Alegre on another site. She posted the link to her site on the main page of her MyDD blog. I went to the site and checked it out. I read it once or twice a week to see what's being said, not just by her, but by other bloggers.

2)  I did not actively encourage anyone to post real life information about Alegre. In fact, I encouraged them NOT to do so.

3)  The premise of my diary was not to promote stalking, it was to point out that wishing for tragedy or scandal to befall the presumptive Democratic nominee isn't just anti-Obama, it's anti-Democrat.

Sorry that you were offended, but don't pretend to know what I do or don't condone. I stated my opposition to sharing RL info and I deleted the diary when it became clear others were using it as a vehicle to delve into Alegre's personal identity.

by jdusek 2008-06-13 07:39AM | 0 recs
Stop Lying

And I feel compelled to post the truth. By virtue of your endless stalking, you admit you are utterly obsessed with another blogger to the point that you follow her all over the internet. You made up complete and total bullshit in a diary that FALSELY accused this blogger of fantasizing about some tragedy or scandal that will prevent Obama from becoming the nominee. Then, you stood by and did absolutely NOTHING when your deadender friends spammed post after post of wild speculation about the personal life of this blogger. The Google cache is there for all to see, so stop lying. No true progressive Democrat would stoop to such dispicable behavior.

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-13 09:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Stop Lying

Dude, what the hell are you talking about?

"Endless stalking?" "Following her all over the Internet?"

I went to one site, which Alegre gave me the link to, and I wrote about something she posted there.

Falsely accused?

She said she hopes something happens that prevents Obama from becoming the nominee. What would it take to force Obama to withdraw? Scandal, illness, some other tragedy? These aren't things you should wish on members of our own party. I didn't invent what Alegre said, and whatever she is hoping for would be devastating to our party.

I did nothing?

I deleted the diary, did I not? Nobody made me remove it. I chose to do so when I realized that others were emailing personal info. I also told those people I did not agree with their actions and apologized for not acting sooner.

I've apologized for contributing to what happened last night, but I won't allow you to accuse me of lying, stalking or encouraging the sharing of Alegre's personal info.

by jdusek 2008-06-13 10:08PM | 0 recs
Re: One diary already got pulled today

The wild speculation in this diary about the personal life of a MyDD user isn't "borderline deletable." It should be fundamentally objectionable based upon the so-called "progressive" principles of this website.

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-12 11:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

This diary isn't really necessary.  her diary at hillary's bloggers has just one comment.  I bet SoCalDarlin's blog gets even more traffic than that.

That being said, Alegre always promised she would support the nominee.  I am sure in her mind right now, that doesn't occur until the convention.

by mefeck 2008-06-12 09:40PM | 0 recs
it doesn't make sense since Clinton

and most of her prominent supporters recognize Obama as the nominee and are working to support him.

by slinkerwink 2008-06-12 09:41PM | 0 recs
She's still firmly in the Denial stage of

grief (or she's taken an unexpected detour to delusional)

by bobdoleisevil 2008-06-12 09:42PM | 0 recs
Re: it doesn't make sense since Clinton

I don't agree with that, just my analysis.

by mefeck 2008-06-12 10:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

Are you surprised that the McAuliffe wing hates to see their power removed?  They ran the DNC (into the, ahem, ground) for a long time- and now that Dean's running the show, we never have to deal with that insider smoky room power crap they love so much.  This is another example of them losing their grip, so OF COURSE they're against it.

by ihaveseenenough 2008-06-12 09:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

Alegre's not the McAuliffe wing. Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the DLC, but Alegre is not.

Alegre is in that class of supporters that every moderately successful candidate attracts a few of, the fanatical follower convinced that this candidate is one of the greatest human beings who have ever walked the face of the earth, and that any who oppose said candidate must be deluded or evil.

by really not a troll 2008-06-12 10:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

I've always wondered how that happens.  When does a person, after learning about another human being, move from admiration and support to fanatical devotion and unwavering belief.  I totally understand that kind of thing for a child by a parent, but not for someone who you may have never even met.

by shalca 2008-06-12 10:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Delusional fans

I've always wondered about this psychological phenomenom among Obama supporters, too. Kinda creepy. Then when you combine it with real life stalking of their political enemies and speculating about their personal life? More than creepy.  Downright scary.

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-12 11:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Delusional fans
Now see, I was being serious. You went and made it political and nasty. I have no doubt that there are some people that revere Obama with the same intensity that Alegre feels for Hillary, but I made a general statement whereas you are just attacking people.
by shalca 2008-06-12 11:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Delusional fans

I was being serious as well. The "fanatical devotion and unwavering belief" of some Obama supporters is scary. Like you, I "totally understand that kind of thing for a child by a parent, but not for someone who you may have never even met."  

Have you met Obama?

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-13 09:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Delusional fans
I can only say that I'm glad that I haven't met you.
by shalca 2008-06-13 09:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Delusional fans

That's nice, but what do you think causes this "fanatical devotion and unwavering belief" of some Obama supporters?  You know, the kind where you said you "totally understand that kind of thing for a child by a parent, but not for someone who you may have never even met."  

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-14 04:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

Here's your case study- look how far she's come in one year:

From Alegre's diary on Daily Kos on 6/27/2007

People have pointed out the value in vetting our own and I don't have a problem with honst questions.

What I do have a problem with are the diaries that get posted that are nothing more than hit-pieces full of hearsay, innuendo and outright lies.

The purpose of this diary is to urge people to post information about their candidate without attacking the others.  

Take a look at my diaries from last week (linked above).  Not once do I mention the other candidates.

Not once.

And here's some food for thought...

Geekesque notes below that it was one of our own who hung the pair of flip-flops around Kerry's neck in the primaries.  I hope people remember that lurking goopers read these diaries and if we keep this shit up, we're only giving them ammo to use against our nominee (whoever s/he may turn out to be) in the general election.

by ihaveseenenough 2008-06-12 09:44PM | 0 recs
WOW!
What made her flip to the dark side?
by shalca 2008-06-12 09:54PM | 0 recs
Iowa

and about 18 million votes.

by really not a troll 2008-06-12 10:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

This is truly a stunningly, almost read-in-a-clinical-book case of cognitive dissonance. Amazing.

by ragekage 2008-06-12 10:02PM | 0 recs
Actually, sounds more like obsession...

...with another person's obsession.

You guys have too much time on your hands, man!

Lots of really bad karma being created here obsessing about another person that's also creating same.

In case you don't realize it, the sphere of influence of this person--whom you folks are ranting about in these comments--has diminished exponentially...and it will continue to do so for a variety of reasons, not the least of which being their own disaffecting blogging now. That should be enough to feed your thirst for schaedenfreude. But, that doesn't appear to be the case.

You know, there are people here--such as myself--who don't separate their online presence from their presence in real life. (i.e.: My name really is Bob Swern. Talk with enough of the older--45+ yr. olds--activist Dems in the Northeast, and inevitably, some will recognize the name.) But, this is my choice, and noone else's.

You've crossed over a very big proverbial line in this thread...and it's been noted by a lot of people here--people that respected your thoughts and positions on matters perhaps just a little more than they do now--now that they've read your thoughts in the comments to this diary.

This whole chain of conversation is extremely uncool, IMHO, and on multiple levels, too.

by bobswern 2008-06-12 11:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

Wow there are some sick people here. Stalking someone and harassing another user...WOW!

by bsavage 2008-06-12 09:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

what is more pathetic...a diary about alegre or alegre?  seriously.  move on and ignore the woman.  her claim to fame was a freak accident.  she had 15 minutes and used it poorly.  she is looking for a second act...don't go there..PLEASE!

by SovSov 2008-06-12 09:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre

Is this snark?

Seriously now,

Was this snark?

by HillsMyGirl 2008-06-12 09:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre

Unfortunately not. Alegre has gone full-on no-quarter anti-Dem...

by chrisblask 2008-06-12 09:52PM | 0 recs
Yes she has

I no longer have access to my lycos account I had to abandon it due to some careless black ops. it your name only with an 2 shifted in the middle right?

by Student Guy 2008-06-12 09:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

We should make it a rule not to bash people until after the Dem convention.  The election ended less than two weeks ago.  After that, though, have at it.

by IncognitoErgoSum 2008-06-12 09:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre

Nothing I ever read of hers indicated a great deal of political sophistication.  You can be full of heart and short on head frankly.  I'm not calling her stupid (far from it), but her diaries contributed nearly nothing other than cheerleading.

The fact that she was the most prominent blogger here when I joined up (and lurked before that) always vexed me.  She truly was a mouthpiece for Senator Clinton, and a rather one-way mouthpiece at that.

I don't think she ever answered a substantive question that I asked of her.  For as much as some Clinton supporters say Obama's supporters' behavior reflects poorly on him, I have to catch myself and realize it isn't Senator Clinton's fault that Alegre cannot, or will not, defend a position through reasoned argument backed up with facts.

There's just no give in her.  That's definitely a vice past a certain point.  I wish her well, I honestly do, but I never cared for her stuff.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-12 09:58PM | 0 recs
Oh yeah

Your comment reveals a deep reservoir of well-wishing.

Such generousity of spirit. "We'll stop attacking Alegre, as long as she falls in line, and if she doesn't, as long as she never comes back here. This is our playground now. Our own little internet sandbox."

Watch out for the cat turds.

by OtherLisa 2008-06-12 10:42PM | 0 recs
Wrong

We're just saying if you can't fall in line with your own candidate's wishes and you wish ill on our presumptive nominee, then it really begs the question of "what you are".

Especially if said blogger never engages in any substantive discourse.

Understand this rationale?

by Regenman 2008-06-12 10:58PM | 0 recs
Read the comments on this thread

And tell me again that this is what's going on here.

It's not.

by OtherLisa 2008-06-12 11:02PM | 0 recs
Besides

the last time I checked, the Democratic Party was not an authoritarian organization.

That would be, oh, wait, it'll come to me...

I know! That would be the Republican Party! Wait a minute, is that what we're doing now?

by OtherLisa 2008-06-12 11:05PM | 0 recs
Again with the poor logical reasoning

So attacking someone for her poor reasoning is an exercise in authoritarianism?

Is this like that pathetic analogy to Zimbabwe where one's own endorsement of disenfranchisement is all of a sudden being paralleled to folks being murdered by the ruling party?

Is this what you're reduced to?  Bad analogies to despots?  False claims of aggression?  Isn't that what Bush used to make us attack Iraq?

Look in the mirror, poor logic is the refuge of Republicans and you seem to be the one being as indignant as Bill O'Reilly.

by Regenman 2008-06-12 11:24PM | 0 recs
You are attacking a diarist

who posts on blogs! Who isn't even posting here! You are encouraging personal attacks, you are ferreting out real life information, you want to find her in Denver...what the hell else is this other than authoritarian tactics?

Oh, wait, I know! Bat-shit crazy ass lunacy!

You care so much about defeating McCain, how about you put your energy towards that.

But I guess it's way easier and way more fun to harass Alegre.

by OtherLisa 2008-06-12 11:35PM | 0 recs
And as a p.s.

I'd tell you my Democratic party and progressive props, but quite frankly, I don't want to give any of you that much information about me, given you how treat dissenters. But I'd sure like to know how you and the Childrens Crusade here get off on defining yourselves as "True Democrats" when you obviously don't understand what core Democratic party principles are all about.

by OtherLisa 2008-06-12 11:38PM | 0 recs
Re: And as a p.s.

Would you be able to be more condescending here?  

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-13 03:51AM | 0 recs
Re: And as a p.s.

Sure, I have such great examples here to guide me.

by OtherLisa 2008-06-13 11:29AM | 0 recs
Alegre is entitled to her opinion. . .
And she can state that opinion on her site or over at NoQuarter with my blessings, no matter how bat-shit crazy that opinion might be. As long as she doesn't come back to MyDD filling nonsense diaries with innuendo, smears, a lack of sourcing (unless it's straight from a campaign memo) and refusing to correct her mistakes or engage in discussion about her controversial statements, I'm happy.
by shalca 2008-06-12 09:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself
aint nothing new now. I think we have to give people time.


this diary doeesn't help.
by alyssa chaos 2008-06-12 10:00PM | 0 recs
Could care less....

All she did was parrot Clinton talking points.  Yeah, gee, real devotion.  I respect those who can have real conversations infinitely more;  she could never even answer serious questions posed to her.

There are many, MANY superior Clinton posters who are still here and clearly more committed to the causes Hillary Clinton cares about than Alegre.

by Seeking Cincinnatus 2008-06-12 10:10PM | 0 recs
Disgusting

The anti-Alegre sentiments expressed in this diary, including the implied threat to "out" her, are authoritarian tactics. You should be ashamed. All this because she doesn't agree with your choice of candidate and chooses to advocate for someone else. Last time I checked, that's called democracy. Some of you would seem to be a lot happier with a tyranny where you get to call the shots, and f*** anyone who doesn't go along.

Your obsession with Alegre and her choices is downright creepy, not to mention immature. How old are you? Would you treat people you meet in "real life" this way? I doubt it. It's really easy for little cowards to sit behind their keyboards and sling shit. A little tougher to walk the walk in person.

There will be a harvest of reckoning over the way this primary has been conducted, and it's not going to be pretty. I hope you all are proud for your own little piece of responsibility for the outcome.

by OtherLisa 2008-06-12 10:14PM | 0 recs
They are only revealing

how dangerous this entire Obama movement is.  Prohibiting someone from expressing their own views...um...fill in the rest of the sentence, if you dare.

by izarradar 2008-06-12 10:33PM | 0 recs
Hey, I'm not gonna be the one

to throw down Goodwin's Law!

by OtherLisa 2008-06-12 10:43PM | 0 recs
What's that

The fact that I'll take home more money if McCain is elected since I make in the 6 figures?

I'm voting Dem but I'm not a woman with reproductive rights issues and I'm too old for Iraq.  I'll let you figure out who's experiencing cognitive dissonance issue with the "threats".  Hint: look in the mirror.

by Regenman 2008-06-12 10:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

I have to agree, as much as I find the whole Alegre thread fascinating, we've got bigger and better things to deal with than a bitter ex-campaign operative.  Let's move on!  I'd much rather talk about how John McCain doesn't think getting troops out is all that important.

Or failing that, terrorist fist jabs and Applebee's salad bars.

by ihaveseenenough 2008-06-12 10:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

why do you care what Alegre thinks?

besides

not all of us like obama or will vote for him.

it's not as if he would have 100% support, you all saw the exit polls....

20-30% of hillary supporters said they would not vote for him.

So

what's the big deal?

you can still be a democrat, but vote for another candidate or not vote or write in a preferred candidate or still be deciding.....

people don't just "snap to" and unify because the selected one says so.....

especially

when you believe your candidate has actually WON and has had the election overturned....

by nikkid 2008-06-12 10:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself
actually hillary has "snapped to"...what is your problem? you dont trust her judgment? strange.
talk about getting over yourself.
by Newcomer2 2008-06-12 10:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

people aren't robots....

by nikkid 2008-06-13 05:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

Alegre posts at a site nobody reads and you are outraged about it. Is that why you provided a link to her diary? How will you feel if the one comment at her site multiplies to 10, or 50, as a result of Alegre-sympathetic users reading your diary. Some things are better left unsaid. Any fair reading of Alegre's diaries reveals that she was always more a Clintonite than a Democrat. Having said that, health insurance was always her prime motivator. After the convention, when it becomes clear that Hillary cannot be the nominee, she will be back, bearing apologies and supporting Barack. His health plan is flawed but he took the initiative the other day to reach out to Elizabeth Edwards whose sympathies on this issue lie with Hillary. Obama is not married to any health plan; he is married to getting elected. He will sign whatever legislation comes out of Congess. McCain will not. He has as much interest in healthcare as I have in his stupid war. Alegre will be back. Give her time.

by STUBALL 2008-06-12 10:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

Does anyone - really - believe that this so-called Alegre is a democrat? Open your eyes people. The on-line world allows for multiple identities...she has been playing you all for a long, long, time. Forget about that blogger and the 12 people who constantly defend/worship him/her.

by Newcomer2 2008-06-12 10:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

Calling diarists out by name.

I remember the times when that used to be a banneable offense as a general rule.  But who cares nowadays?  Anything to win is open game strategy to anyone.  F*ck the rules.  Winning is everything now.  We're so frustrated after the last seven years, that we're truly blinded.  We can't distinguish between enemies and foes any longer, and we'll reap our rewards for not placing our rage into it's proper context.

by Gabriele Droz 2008-06-12 10:54PM | 0 recs
In other words...

we're all volatile, and ready to hate whatever and wherever we think they exist, including our own.

Not a good thing as far as I perceive.

by Gabriele Droz 2008-06-12 11:00PM | 0 recs
Nope, the foe is pretty clear

It's McCain.  It seems that Alegre isn't the one that hasn't figured it out.  Or do you think otherwise?

by Regenman 2008-06-12 11:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Nope, the foe is pretty clear

Yeah, it's Alegre from the way you're acting.

by OtherLisa 2008-06-12 11:33PM | 0 recs
Well other rules got thrown out

far before this one did:  like the one about not posting invective stuff about a democratic candidate, or how about the one where advocacy for republicans isn't allowed.

Those rules were gone long before this one was.

Alinsky Rule 4:
Make the enemy live up to his/her own book of rules.

you fail at providing the rational to uphold that rule.

by Student Guy 2008-06-12 11:04PM | 0 recs
Luckily for you

You don't have much to live up to.

Makes things easy, doesn't it?

by OtherLisa 2008-06-12 11:07PM | 0 recs
I played by the rules

until the McCain agitprop started, I still play by the rules with those who aren't using right wing frames.  However to someone who is fully on board with the PUMA movement I feel no remorse to.  It is 1k people and I think it is silly to try to placate them.

by Student Guy 2008-06-12 11:12PM | 0 recs
you don't have a clue

what the rules are.

You are taking an online grudge and attempting to stalk somebody in real life, spreading personal information and encouraging attacks.

It is beyond disgusting. It is a fascist tactic. You are nothing better than a little Brownshirt with a keyboard. But that's only behind the keyboard. You wouldn't have the guts or the courage to act like this in real life.

by OtherLisa 2008-06-12 11:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

After reading the comments thread some people I thought knew better are acting in strange ways. Not healthy people, not healthy at all.

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-12 11:07PM | 0 recs
Stop with the RL info

Agreed.

by Didion 2008-06-12 11:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

if i am right and you're thinking what i think you're thinking i wholeheartedly agree.  im actually v. creeped out right now.

by canadian gal 2008-06-12 11:11PM | 0 recs
Why?

Don't infer too much into this.  She's a blogger like Wonkette and folks are always interested in seeing how the real persona fits in with the internet one.

by Regenman 2008-06-12 11:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

It's given me pause. I'm not the nicest commenter and I enjoy engaging trolls and I am dick lot's of time. But fuck man, limits do exist. Some are coming off (even if they don't know it) as boderline stalkers. Don't dissapoint me like this guys.

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-12 11:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself
dissapointed.




[shame]
by alyssa chaos 2008-06-12 11:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

Well, she isn't posting it here, so I don't see how it's that much of a concern to MyDD.

The simple fact of the matter is that there are disaffected Democrats as a result of this primary, and alegre is one of them.  I'm sure that, like many of us out there, she still believes in her liberal values.

For many of us in the Clinton camp, Barack Obama and his associates have demonstrated fatal flaws of character which transcend even policy.  This is a reality, and it's not going to change as a result of a bunch of people on one website saying the same nasty things they were saying all primary season long.

Diaries like this tend to push people in that direction, as well.

Myself, I'm abstaining for a while.  I probably won't make any firm decision until I actually do vote.  There are probably a lot of others who feel the same way.

Even though the primary is for all intents and purposes over, both sides continue to jab at the others' candidate.  Maybe, finally, it's time to take the high road?

by hornplayer 2008-06-12 11:14PM | 0 recs
Shes not posting any of that garbage here

so why worry about what garbage she is posting somewhere else?

And if she comes back later as an honest broker and real D team player she will be welcomed.  And if even if she comes back and keeps mum on the GE and keeps to other issues and is a good D she would be welcomed.

We cant expect everyone to like and/or support Obama.  My hope is that those who can not support him here either avoid the subject (ie not tabloid trash him) or at least express their concerns as an honest broker.

Plus dissent can open our eyes to weaknesses in a candidate which can be used to strengthen the candidate and/or their message.

Personally, Id like to believe all dems would lock step fall in place behind the nominee, but Im smart enough to know we are irrational beings and sometimes make choices for ourselves which might be counter to our best interests (I know Ive done it).  So a wee bit of forgivness and understanding goes a long way.

by pattonbt 2008-06-12 11:30PM | 0 recs
Some of you sound like Soviet informers

Rating people on whether or not you'll 'get them' if they don't fit into your perfect political box.  I was attacked in the real world last summer by right wing extremists who took exception to my feminist viewpoint.  The local police and FBI were brought in because I received what they called `credible' threats both on the phone and through the mail.  Is that what you're planning to do?  Threaten and harass Alegre, Linfar and anyone else you don't like?  Well have a care.  There are consequences to that kind of behavior.  

I hope you got the response you were going for jdusek.  

by The Fat Lady Sings 2008-06-12 11:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

I am not threatening anyone. And I don't condone anyone harassing someone online or in real-life.

Since you brought up Linfar, I'd like you to know that a while back she and I got into a disagreement about something she had written, but we settled it politely and respectfully. I may not agree with her on certain things, but I have never and would never harass someone just because we have different opinions.

by jdusek 2008-06-12 11:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

That was meant in response to The Fat Lady Sings above.

by jdusek 2008-06-12 11:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

How about deleting this? The comments on this thread got crazy!

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-13 12:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Gang, Alegre Just Can't Help Herself

you know - maybe you shouldnt delete this to serve as a reminder.

by canadian gal 2008-06-12 11:59PM | 0 recs

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