Do you doubt their motives too?

Recently somebody posted an "Open letter to Linfar," which could only be considered a letter in this digital age. However, whether or not the drivel should have been considered a letter or not is not the point of this diary.

The diarists decries Linfar's sense of honesty and belief that an Obama election is the best thing we can do at this point. They forget the fact that Linfar once supported Hillary. They forget the fact that as Democrats we should ALL want to avoid a McCain Presidency... they probably forget a few other things as well but I'll leave that be.

The central question in their diary is why does Linfar (and others) doubt the purity of their intentions.

The question in my diary is this: Who else, aside from Linfar and myself, doubt the purity of their intentions?

Who else doubts the purity of a persons intentions when they don't contribute to the discussion but rather just badgers us about how terrible Obama is in every way possible?

I will happily admit that he is not the perfect candidate- there is no perfect candidate- but he is my candidate of choice and I want to be respected for that; even when he proves to be imperfect.

Who else doubts the purity of their intentions when they quote No Quarter and other PUMA playgrounds or throw out the same talking points as such pits of trollism?

I for one think this movement is being perpetrated by a bunch of wanna be Republicans who think this is an effective way to sow division. I for one think it is only making us stronger and allowing us to view with open disdain the people who are out to harm our party in the long run.

Anyway, those are my two cents. I am all for discussion and I will be as irritated as everyone else here if (when?) our parties "leadership" caves on FISA.

But more than that I am disgusted by people who harp on his imperfections without willingness to have an informed discussion.

I am irritated at best by people who feign disillusion and disgust simply because he is imperfect. They accused us of seeing him as a savior BUT they are the ones who are so incensed by him being, in point of fact, quite mortal.

So who else is with me on this? Who else wants more informed discussion and less inane bickering? Who else wants a reasoned airing of the issues rather than a trollfest?

... and who else wishes this diary was as entertaining as my effort from the weekend?

Tags: 2008, blog, blogopshere, Civility, obama, open letters, Presidential, PUMA, response (all tags)

Comments

26 Comments

After all, I too am only human.

by JDF 2008-06-25 02:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you doubt their motives too?

Don't feed the trolls.

You can't argue with them, you can't get them banned for being McBloggers or PUMAs, and you can't shame them into stopping.

By engaging them or highlighting them, you empower them.  The only way to win is to ignore them.  It is difficult, but it must be done.

by Can I Haz Moar Snark 2008-06-25 02:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you doubt their motives too?

And the fact that the anti-troll diaries fill up the rec list tells you that they are winning.  They dilute our discourse, sap our energy, and prevent us from focusing on the issues.

by Can I Haz Moar Snark 2008-06-25 02:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you doubt their motives too?

It is very very true,  when they get desperate they write "open letters" and other stuff that make them look silly and appear as easy targets.

a troll is a troll is a troll.

just ignore.  or even TR/HR but dont comment.
If a troll get's TR'd dont believe their fake outrage.

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-06-25 02:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you doubt their motives too?

If Sen.Obama would based his campaign on substance rather than idioms, poetry and phrases then I would have supported him long ago. I just feel that as a party we can do a hell of a lot better. Why would you buy crap from the dollar store wehn you can get higher quality? I'm all for more majorities in the House and Senate but not this guy.

by bsavage 2008-06-25 02:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you doubt their motives too?

Right because majorities in the House and Senate are going to get a lot done without the Oval as well...

And what exactly has he done to offend you other than be an excellent speaker? Anyone who says there is no substance there is, in my opinion, choosing to ignore it.

This was one of my favorite arguments from the primary season "he has no details, he has no real issues," etc.

Why don't you look it up? Why don't you educate yourself?

I for one am thankful that he doesn't fill his speeches with boring and detailed policy proposals; the people he needs most it impress and most to introduce himself to tune out when our speakers do that.

by JDF 2008-06-25 03:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you doubt their motives too?

"And what exactly has he done to offend you other than be an excellent speaker?"

He beat Hillary.

In spite of ALL the Puma ranting and raving, that is the indisputable fact, that is Obama's one great and unforgiveable sin. He denied their queen her rightful crown, and that is an unforgiveable act.

by WashStateBlue 2008-06-25 03:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you doubt their motives too?

She ain't a queen genius, she was the only experienced, candodates who was a fighter for the people of this country. Now there is no one, neither McCain nor Obama has the guts needed to bring about real change.

by bsavage 2008-06-25 03:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you doubt their motives too?

Your opinion does not make it fact.

Obama will change this country, too bad he will have to do it with you folks still bitter about a Clinton loss nipping at his ankles....

by WashStateBlue 2008-06-25 03:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you doubt their motives too?

The only experienced candidate who was a fighter for the people of this country?

Putting aside the assumption that Obama is somehow inexperienced for one second, I have to ask: You are aware that Chris Dodd, Joe Biden, Dennis Kucinich, Bill Richardson, and even Mike Gravel all had significantly more experience than Hillary Clinton, right?

by mistersite 2008-06-25 03:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you doubt their motives too?

Those people were losers who would never have the won the GE. Dennis Kucinich? The guy is nuts.

by bsavage 2008-06-25 03:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you doubt their motives too?

That's not what you said.  You said that Sen. Clinton was the only experienced candidate who was a fighter.  I pointed out several other, more experienced candidates who are also fighters.

But of course, if you want to insult several prominent and accomplished Democrats with a hypothetical statement, you keep having fun with that.

by mistersite 2008-06-25 03:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you doubt their motives too?

I am sure the poster is much more distinguished, experienced, and respected than the elected officials he chooses to smear.

I am sure he has shown courage by running for public office many times and knows exactly what their lives has been like.

I am sure he has walked a mile in the shoes of everyone he has chosen to insult.

After all, can't you see how reasoned and intelligent he is?

by JDF 2008-06-25 03:54PM | 0 recs
experienced at what?

I never went for Hillary because her experience seemed rather...thin...to be the raison d'etre for a Presidential campaign.  

by JJE 2008-06-25 04:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you doubt their motives too?

Sure I can visit his website anytime. However, I want to see more than a theory of change, I want to see results. So far, Obama looks and is inexperienced, and he hasn't delivered. Most of all however, I disagree with his foreign policy( reaching out to enemies) and his phone "universal" healthcare plan.  

by bsavage 2008-06-25 03:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you doubt their motives too?

So you are against diplomacy before war?

You are in the wrong party, mayhaps?

by JDF 2008-06-25 03:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you doubt their motives too?

No, I support negotiations with certain conditions attached.

by bsavage 2008-06-25 03:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you doubt their motives too?

That's the definition of dipolomacy.  You're probably not a complete moron, but you seem to like to play one on the internet.

by Can I Haz Moar Snark 2008-06-25 04:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you doubt their motives too?

I am irritated at best by people who feign disillusion and disgust simply because he is imperfect. They accused us of seeing him as a savior BUT they are the ones who are so incensed by him being, in point of fact, quite mortal.
You got my rec for this line.

by MS01 Indie 2008-06-25 03:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you doubt their motives too?

Thank you, and I am glad you approve.

I honestly feel issue people seem to have with him specifically is one that bothers me the most. If only because it is a completely bogus complaint.

by JDF 2008-06-25 03:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you doubt their motives too?

I think linfar is an attention hog.

This blogger turned on a dime in support of Obama and has been berating Hillary supporters who don't support Obama. Obama supporters shower the blogger with accolades and encourages these efforts.

All in the name of unity, of course.

by feelfree 2008-06-25 03:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you doubt their motives too?

This blogger turned on a dime in support of Obama
I know... it's almost as if Obama won the nomination, Hillary Clinton dropped out, and linfar did the thing that loyal Democrats do (and that Hillary Clinton asked her supporters to do) and switched her support to our nominee.

Wait... that is what happened.

Obama supporters shower the blogger with accolades and encourages these efforts.

Guilty as charged.  I, for one, do want to encourage Clinton supporters who make the right choice and support our nominee now that she's dropped out of the race.

by mistersite 2008-06-25 03:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you doubt their motives too?

I get you have a definition of loyal Democrat. However it is your opinion, not a fact.

I do not apologize for not being a one size fit all Democrat.

I don't find encouragement in linfar's efforts. I find the latest offering at taylormarsh.com to be more browbeating, insufferable and boorish.  

by feelfree 2008-06-25 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you doubt their motives too?

loy·al  ˈlȯi(-ə)l\ : 1: unswerving in allegiance: as a: faithful in allegiance to one's lawful sovereign or government b: faithful to a private person to whom fidelity is due c: faithful to a cause, ideal, custom, institution, or product

To which cause, ideal, or institution are you loyal, feelfree?  If it's the Democratic Party, or the values of the Democratic Party, or the values of Hillary Clinton like a sane foreign policy, an economy that works for everyone, or women's rights, you've got some thinking to do - because there's only one person who could conceivably be President who believes in those things.

by mistersite 2008-06-25 04:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you doubt their motives too?

I am loyal to this country and the U.S. Constitution which does not force me to take an oath of fealty to a candidate or party.

by feelfree 2008-06-25 04:39PM | 0 recs
fascinating

truly truly fascinating.

by JJE 2008-06-25 04:43PM | 0 recs

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