Our Clown in Afghanistan (Updated)

The American idea of "foreign policy credentials" is an imbecile package tour of seventeen countries in seven nights and six days, so now there's yet another sound-bite photo-op American clown named Barack Obama runnning around Southwest Asia talking about how to "finish the job in Afghanistan," and all the Americans who happen to like this particular clown can't stop cheering for his plan to "finish the job in Afghanistan," as if we had a job in Afghanistan that anyone could ever finish...  

But this particular clown thinks maybe two extra brigades will "finish the job" that an enormous Russian army never finished, and even the relatively intelligent British colonial generals never finished, and even Alexander the Great never "finished the job in Afghanistan," but Barack Obama thinks he can "finish the job in Afghanistan" with two more brigades, even though nobody in the universe has any idea what this particular job may be, or how anyone could determine when and if we ever "finished the job in Afghanistan," unless you realistically redefine "the job in Afghanistan" as killing every living thing in that god-forsaken country, and it's obviously way too much to expect that a clown like Barack Obama will notice that's exactly the job we're doing, and it's obviously way too much to expect that a clown like Barack Obama will realize that maybe the Afghans don't want us to "finish the job in Afghanistan" because most of them understand that the only job we ever had in Afghanistan that anyone could ever finish is the job of killing every living thing in that god-forsaken country.

Meanwhile, the two or three Democrats who realize that our real job is killing every living thing in Afganistan can still claim that our clown Barack Obama is infinitely better than the psychotic Republican clown John McCain, and all three of those clever Democrats are absolutely right to support our clown Barack Obama against the psychotic Republican clown John McCain, because there's only room for one party in the first-row seats of this demented circus that used to be the United States of America, and unless the insane clown posse in those front-row seats includes Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, Americans may not enjoy the benefits of universal healthcare while our hillbilly hired guns "finish the job" of killing every living thing in Afghanistan.

In the only substantive comment out of 15 so far, Gil44 objects to calling our army in Afghanistan "hillbilly hired guns," and maybe he has more respect than I do for "firing artillery into villages from 37 kilometers away" on the chance you may hit an insurgent, or maybe his respect for our army in Afghanistan is based on admiration for some dweeb killing everybody in a wedding party with a Predator drone that he's "piloting" by computer from an Air Force base in Maryland, or maybe it's the bombadiers dropping bombs from 30,000 feet on "suspected insurgents" that inspires him with respect, but "following orders" isn't a valid defense for war crimes committed by volunteer soldiers, and for victims of the back-door draft of stop-loss orders, it's time to refuse to follow orders that violate the Geneva Conventions, and sacrifice careers and risk military prison instead of collaborating with genocide and inflicting more "collateral damage" that isn't really "collateral" any more... It's the main component of everything we do in Iraq and Afghanistan, and anybody who still hasn't noticed that all we're really doing is killing millions of muslims (with one lame excuse or another) is dumber than any hillbilly I ever knew, and I have known some incredibly dumb hillbillies.

With that significant proviso, it really isn't much of an insult to call someone a "hillbilly hired gun" compared to any reasonable description of the rest of the American public. At least those hillbillies who are actually on the ground in Afghanistan and Iraq believe in something enough to risk their lives for it, unlike the candy-ass Barack Obama, who wouldn't get within 5,000 miles of a war zone without a huge security apparatus all around him. The rest of the American public cares more about gas prices and discounts at Walmart than genocide, and if it ever really comes down to a serious attack on the United States... something more like 10,000,000 Nazis instead of 20 half-witted Arabs with box-cutters... the only thing worth defending in this vast consumer shit-hole will be last remaining life-and-death ideals of those same "hillbilly hired guns" and their families.

It's also worth remembering that not every black American is a resentful, over-privileged, hate-America freak like Michelle Obama, and it makes more sense to include black soldiers in Afghanistan in the category of "hillbillies" than to classify them by color alone and assume that they have more in common with infinitely "entitled" and soulless hustlers like the Obamas than they have in common with the hillbillies they serve beside in the mountains of Afghanistan.

Update:"Why Not" has added a whole series of well-written and intelligent comments about the phony rationale for invading Afghanistan under this diary. It isn't exactly new to me, but it's a very compact and accurate appraisal. I usually assume that anyone who bothers to comment on MyDD would already understand the futility of trying to "pacify" Afghanistan by force of arms, but apparently Obamabots only appear here to blurt out cheers for their favorite con-man and insults for everyone else, and they remain as ignorant as worms about the state of the world, except for whatever yarns their sociopathic Messiah chooses to spin for them.

Tags: Barack Obama (all tags)



Re: Our Clown in Afghanistan

If this diary isn't a litmus test for site moderation here I don't know what is.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-20 11:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Our Clown in Afghanistan

Great article!

by rankles 2008-07-21 03:22AM | 0 recs
Apart from trollery, I do believe...

...this diarist has written the lengthiest run-on sentences I've ever seen on MyDD.

But, it is kind of funny, in a sad sort of way.

by bobswern 2008-07-21 01:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Apart from trollery, I do believe...

dammit super long run on sentences are MY THING!! I'm gonna sue Jacobs ass off!

by zerosumgame 2008-07-21 07:38AM | 0 recs
Normally, I would give this garbage

a shame rec, but between catfish, soyousay, and me, it would shoot up the rec list in minutes. That would be yet another pififul moment for all of us.

by sricki 2008-07-21 01:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Normally, I would give this garbage

thank you for that :)

by zerosumgame 2008-07-21 07:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Our Clown in Afghanistan
I saw DK on Friday and walked out deeply shaken by the experience.  It took me a good two hours to straighten my head out afterward.  
I wondered what effect the movie would have on someone who was deeply psychologically disturbed.  Well....
by grassrootsorganizer 2008-07-21 01:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Our Clown in Afghanistan

Now you know.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-21 01:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Our Clown in Afghanistan

And knowing is half the battle!

by TCQuad 2008-07-21 04:53AM | 0 recs

So, was FDR our clown in Europe? By your reasoning he was, and if so we could sure use THAT kind of clown right about now. And it seems much of the world agrees with my assessment, not yours.

by mole333 2008-07-21 02:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Our Clown in Afghanistan

Jacob, may I suggest that you read some history about the invasion of Afghanistan by Russia and the occupation that ensued, it might help your perspective. That invasion and the failure of the occupation is much closer to what's going on in Iraq right now, not Afghanistan.

by skohayes 2008-07-21 03:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Our Clown in Afghanistan

Iraq is over, kid.  It's time to let go.  We've won, the civil war is over.  The only question remaining is exactly when will we leave.

by William Cooper 2008-07-21 06:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Our Clown in Afghanistan

OK you are in competition for the stupiest statments posted here, ever. the only question is it what you posted or your sig line?

by zerosumgame 2008-07-21 07:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Our Clown in Afghanistan

I think we need a timeline to get hell out of Iraq.

You don't?

by William Cooper 2008-07-21 11:34PM | 0 recs
Could you possibly be more condescending, not to mention presumptive?
And please tell me how an occupational force "wins" a civil war between two resident religious sects that's been going on for over a thousand years?
by skohayes 2008-07-21 04:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Kid?

It's goofballs like you is why we can't seem to win the Iraq debate.  Thousands of years?

We've been telling the american people for six years that the civil war was caused by our invasion (true).  Now, since our soldiers have actually pulled out a V, you want to change the debate to 'it's been going on a thousand years'?

It's not going to fly, and you're only harming our cause.  Just admit we won (as Obama is smartly doing) and that we need to leave.

But trying to cling to the same stale line that it is a quagmire?  You're living in the past.  Baghdad is won, the insurgents are punked.


When someone acts like a teenager I call them 'kid', like with your 'thousands of years of civil war' statement.  It's straight out of some idiotic quasi-wannabe-marxist website.

Think for yourself, kid.  Stop parroting those that are only using you to bring down our system of government.  Bringing down capitalism is NOT liberalism.

Marxism, even neo-marxism, is NOT liberalism.  And the sooner you get that through your skull the better off you'll be.

by William Cooper 2008-07-21 11:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Kid?

Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the history of the Middle East and the conflicts between the Sunni and the Shia the last thousand years (and learn to read, while you're at it):

One could find the proximate cause in any number of events following the US invasion, Time writer Bobby Ghosh conceded. "But the rage burning," he continued, "has much deeper and older roots. It is the product of centuries of social, political and economic inequality, imposed by repression and prejudice and frequently reinforced by bloodshed." And though "the hatred is not principally about religion," it dates all the way back to 632 AD, when the Prophet Muhammad died before designating a successor and a vocal minority championed his cousin and son-in-law Ali. Ali eventually served as the fourth caliph, but enmity between the partisans of Ali (in Arabic, Shiat Ali, the expression eventually rendered in the West as Shiites) and Sunnis was cemented after 680, when the son of the governor of Syria killed Ali's son Hussein at the battle of Karbala in modern-day Iraq. For the Muslims who came to be known as Shiites, the caliphate had been unjustly wrested from the blood relatives of the Prophet.

And I'll ignore all those silly strawmen (marxism? LOL) you set up to ask you how does one "win" an occupation?

by skohayes 2008-07-22 03:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Kid?

"Perhaps you should familiarize yourself "

Perhaps you should attribute your sources, and stop plagiarizing others' work.

By the way, only marxists and marxist useful idiots claim there is no marxism.

Marxism is alive and well, and you are one of it's supporters, knowingly or not.

by William Cooper 2008-07-23 12:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Kid?
Since it's in blockquotes, it's obvious I'm not plagiarizing. It's pretty common knowledge, a wiki search will bring up the same information.
Google is your friend.
As for the marxism charge, well, it's easy to throw terms around without basis in fact. I could call you a fascist, a Stalinist or a communist, but without reference, it becomes meaningless- like your accusations that I'm a marxist (LOL).
By the way, you still haven't answered my question, hon. Why are you avoiding the question?
How does an occupational force win a civil war?
by skohayes 2008-07-23 03:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Kid?

If your only obvious goal in life is to bring down the capitalist system, then you are either a marxist or a useful idiot for marxists.  It's as simple as that, and your posted opinions bear it out.

I'm a progressive, not a marxist.  I believe that the capitalist system has given us more civil liberties than any other form of economic/governmental controls in the history of man.  I will not give them up lightly, especially to a bunch of snot-noses who think they're progressive because they hate Bush.

Your hate of Bush does not a progressive make.  Mayhap it makes for a reasonable reaction, but that's as far as it will take you.

p.s.  Non-attributed copy/pasting is plagiarizing, whether you blockquote it or not.  Give credit where credit is due, and you may start getting some credit.

by William Cooper 2008-07-23 05:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Kid?
You know, anyone can claim to be a progressive (especially when they're posting comments on a progressive blog), but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are one- and they usually don't call other progressives "snot noses"- it not only highlights your own immaturity (most people grow out of the name calling thing in their 20s).
Just as calling someone a marxist is nothing but a red herring, designed to deflect the conversation away from more relevant subjects- like the occupation in Iraq.
I'm not sure how you got from my comment about Iraq to calling me a "marxist" and claiming that I want to bring down the capitalist system (pretty lofty goal, IMO), but either way, it's irrelevant to my question, which you still haven't answered.
My guess is, you aren't able to answer the question (which is really all I wanted to highlight), so that ends this conversation.
by skohayes 2008-07-24 09:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Our Clown in Afghanistan

The only clown here is the diarist. Have a nice day.

by ottovbvs 2008-07-21 03:36AM | 0 recs
I agree with you on to fronts....
Clown A.
Clown B.
by soyousay 2008-07-21 03:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Our Clown in Afghanistan

The McCain supporters are really getting desperate. Diaries like this will be more common.

by Politicalslave 2008-07-21 04:09AM | 0 recs
God-forsakeness is good

The good part about being a blight upon the face of God is that it drives down property values, setting the neighborhood up for gentrification within a couple of generations.

Before you know it, Jacob Freeze, the run-down cave networks of Afghanistan will be replaced with affordable but classy condos, followed by corner markets (or rather "mark-ups" if you look at their prices, sheesh), Starbucks cafes, and organic food stores (in addition to the opium vendor for local flavor, of course) where they sell arugula.

Therefore I ask Jacob Freeze to acknowledge the fact that the Barack Obama Plan To Kill Every Living Thing In That Bloody Hellhole is the best and strongest strategy for getting a no-foam mocha latte in the mountainous region between Afghanistan and Pakistan within the next 40 years.


by Dracomicron 2008-07-21 04:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Our Clown in Afghanistan

Lithium is your friend.

by rfahey22 2008-07-21 04:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Our Clown in Afghanistan

in this case, OUR friend as well...

by zerosumgame 2008-07-21 07:41AM | 0 recs
Heh, that was

too amusing and accurate not to mojo. ;)

by sricki 2008-07-21 07:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Heh, that was

despite all the lies told i have NEVER attacked BHO nor said I would never vote for him. You may resent people who share a PC with family but that does not make me a bad guy. that would be all in your (in general here) head :)

by zerosumgame 2008-07-21 07:52AM | 0 recs
Never said you're a bad guy,

I just think you're a little more confrontational than is strictly necessary. Try being more positive and friendly. Well, not to people like rankles 'cause he's a troll, but just in general. There are a lot of people around here I used to fight with because I was pissy half the time, but I get along with most of them now.

And I know it's hard to be nice when you've got a bunch of people accusing you of being a troll,  which they will for awhile because some of the troll hunters have you in their sights. I count myself among them, though I don't have much reason to go after you. Best to ignore them for a bit. I know Chitowndenny had a lot of trouble with some people here -- they accused him of running a GOP website, but people know he isn't a Republican now. I think he's received a few apologies.

by sricki 2008-07-21 08:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Our Clown in Afghanistan

I was amused until I read this description of our folks in the military:
 "hillbilly hired guns"

Blech.  Not funny, not cool.

by gil44 2008-07-21 05:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Our Clown in Afghanistan

Um, wow.  The only thing missing is the flying bits of spittle.  Is there some conventional punctuation for that?

by username 2008-07-21 06:51AM | 0 recs
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by thatpurplestuff 2008-07-21 09:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Our Clown in Afghanistan

The real clown is McBush who doesn't know the difference between Suni and Shia, and today though Iraq and Pakistan bordered each other.  What will the real clown (McGaffe) say next???

by Spanky 2008-07-21 07:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Our Clown in Afghanistan
Right on!
Anyone who knows the history of Afghanistan knows how pathetic OBBIE's one or two brigade's comment is:  puerile, naive, ill-considered, silly are only the modest and polite terms that apply.
Stupidity you can believe in - at poor American soldier's risk.
Bring back the draft - it'll bring an end to this kind of nonsense, because dying in the mountains and plain of Afghanistan is just as stupid as was dying in the jungles of Southeast Asia!
by M1513 2008-07-21 08:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Our Clown in Afghanistan

Unforunately for people here who like to point out all of Jacob Freeze's argument's flaws (and at that there are many), this time he has a point.  This is the point that invading a country doesn't move our cause for justice any further along.  I have felt this way since before the invasion of Afghansitan although it was too unpopular to even speak at the time.  I remember arguing that we should go after THOSE RESPONSIBLE and bring them to justice.  But justice was lost the moment we set foot in Afghanistan with very different intentions.

Justice can never be served by war.  War can only bring more suffering and injustice.  This is why Afghansitan and especially Iraq wars did nothing to enhance justice.  So here we are in a war with both of these countries, and Obama wishes to try to at least try to recover some shred of justice (for us) by apprehending Bin Ladin and dismantling his organization.  This is not entirely problematic, as long as the goal is set (the harm here has been done), accomplished and we leave post haste.

However, this will not bring justice to those innocents who have had their lives destroyed, along with their country and livelyhoods by our actions in the name of justice.

Make no mistake, this chaper of American History will read as a trajedy and an example of what not to do to preserve justice and democracy (or perhaps a template of how to destroy it).

For all of our sakes I hope we learn the former and not the latter.

by Why Not 2008-07-21 10:24AM | 0 recs
Re: so what would've been your alternative

We could have gone after him, even go so far as to launch an operation to apprehend him.  This does not require a full scale invasion and bombing campaign.  It is just absurd to think that it ever did.

by Why Not 2008-07-22 08:38AM | 0 recs
Re: And how

Do you have any idea what a covert op is?  I don't think they ask anyone if they should or shouldn't apprehend somone.  And before you go on about this, yes the US has done this before (in violation of other countries' sovereignty including friendly nations such as England).

Even if it wasn't something easy to accomplish, it certainly would be a heck of alot easier, and with many fewer reprocussions than an all out invasion that didn't even accomplish the principle goal of apprehending Bin Laden.

Your endearment to this war not withstanding, it was a massive failure and a huge drain of resources with a high cost in terms of lives.

Is it so crazy to look for a better way?

So why did we invade Afghanistan? I believe it was a show of force (as well as an economic move-- pipeline), we wanted to show people what happens when you cross the mighty USA.  However, this is not, and never will be "justice".

So before you go out and repeat the arguments that never held any water but were popular in 2001 when no one was willing or capable to question the US' actions, please consider what you are saying.  It is 2008, the FACT is that we did not accomplish our goals in Afghanistan vis a vis 9/11 and we are now paying the price for it.

by Why Not 2008-07-22 12:23PM | 0 recs


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