Obama Plays "Gotcha" with RFK Assassination

As a media gamesman, Barack Obama is obviously good enough for the imbecile media that he plays, and he gets to play it both ways on almost every issue.

During an interview in South Dakota, Hillary Clinton mentioned than Bobby Kennedy was still campaigning when he was assassinated in June 1968, and as soon as the first fragmentary quote hit the internet, Obama's spokesman was pushing the campaign's "shocked" and inflammatory reaction:

Senator Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign," said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton.

Why was this remark so "unfortunate," except for the spin it acquired in the imbecile media? Does anyone seriously believe that Hillary Clinton was calling for the assassination of Barack Obama? Does anyone seriously believe that Hillary Clinton only continues to campaign because she thinks Obama will be assassinated?

The Obama campaign couldn't sell either of those absurd scenarios, so Obama sent out his spokesman to hint darkly about something, anything that would promote the buzz on Drudge and MSNBC, and then...

After Obama had thrown all the gasoline he could throw on this ridiculous little fire, and it was becoming obvious that there was nothing to it, and after all the damage had been done to Hillary Clinton that this nonsense could possibly do...

Obama jumped on the last ripple of the wave of publicity with a "gracious" concession:

"Sen. Clinton says that she did not intend any offense by it, and I will take her at her word on that."

What possible "offense" was he talking about? By this time, Robert Kennedy Jr. had already said that he had heard HRC make exactly the same remark before, in reference to the timeline of the nomination, and he wasn't offended, so who does Barack Obama think he is that would entitle him to be "offended" by someone talking about a Kennedy assassination in a way that didn't offend the Kennedys?

Barack Obama let his spokeman fan the flames around this non-story until it was ready to die, and then played "gracious" for the cameras because it's automatic for Barack Obama to play everything both ways, just like he played Jeremiah Wright both ways, and NAFTA, and gun control, and everything else in the fictional life-story that he invented to dazzle the imbecile media.

Update: Jerome Armstrong has an excellent summary of the progress of this non-story here.

Jerome's quotes from Politico make it clear that both Politico and the Obama campaign were promoting this "story" before anyone knew anything about the context of Senator Clinton's remark.

"I urged Martin to keep his foot on the gas: Be the first to post reaction from the Obama campaign. Obama spokesman Bill Burton quickly obliged, denouncing Clinton's comments and saying such sentiments have "no place in this campaign." Burton not only "obliged" the boys at Politico, he also emailed every reporter on his email list:

"Burton's e-mail included a link to a New York Post story which noted that Obama, who received a Secret Service detail early in the campaign, has been the subject of threats." What else could Burton do? Draw them a picture? But the little story of about an interview with the editorial board of the Argus Leader in Sioux Falls already had enough legs to climb onto the front page of the New York Times.

At least the guys at Politico have published a sort of apology:  "But Clinton's clumsiness does not excuse news media clumsiness in making a minor story seem like a major one."

Obama complained about "gotcha" politics after his debate with Hillary Clinton on ABC, but when he got his chance to play "gotcha" with the assassination of Robert Kennedy, he played out a shameless little skit of outrage and "forgiveness" to embarrass Hillary Clinton, and it was just business as usual for his duplicitous campaign.

Tags: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Robert Fitzgerald Kennedy (all tags)

Comments

75 Comments

Typical Axelrod play

The gutter king of Chicago politics. The creator of Change and Hope.

by observer5 2008-05-26 07:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Typical Axelrod play

Apparently, nothing Obama does will satisfy you.

You should go now.

by haremoor 2008-05-26 07:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Typical Axelrod play

And don't let the door hit you.

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-05-26 07:36AM | 0 recs
Say what you will

But the pattern described by this diarist has been evident to many throughout this campaign.

by lombard 2008-05-26 07:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Say what you will

If it's been so evident, why can't the brilliant and experienced Hillary Clinton and her crack team of experts come up with something that stops it?  Is she really getting played that badly?

by mistersite 2008-05-26 07:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Say what you will

You are so right.  Remember when Sen. Clinton practiced a new type of politics by saying Obama's "bitter" comments were taken out of context and adding that it was clear he didn't have antipathy toward poor whites?  And remember when you echoed that feeling, calling for a focus on the issues?

Me neither.

by niksder 2008-05-26 07:47AM | 0 recs
I post on this matter elsewhere on this thread

by lombard 2008-05-26 08:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Say what you will

Lord have mercy....

Hillary Clinton has honed the tactics of Karl Rove and the "gotcha politics". But it is pretty clear that you only see what you want to see and reality is just an inconvenient truth.

by woman 2008-05-26 08:23AM | 0 recs
Gotcha...

Yeah...clearly Obama's fault.  You're "wright."  It's enough to make this Obama supporter bitter

by stlatty72 2008-05-26 07:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha"

Didn't we just have another diary on this?

Give me a break, Jacob. This is bordering on troll-esqueness.

by ragekage 2008-05-26 07:37AM | 0 recs
Please dont do this

Just because some people see things in a perspective different from yours, they don't have to be trolls.

by optimisticBoy 2008-05-26 07:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Please dont do this

Well, no kidding. Except some people are trolls. If you'd pay attention, you could see this isn't just because we disagree on an issue. Look at this user's history, and the fact this is a copy/paste job from an earlier diary- just reused to help divide us.

by ragekage 2008-05-26 07:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha" using RFK

Obama had the sense, once Tim Russert confronted him on national television with his campaign's memo pushing race in the campaign, to apologize and promise to fix his campaign. He never did, of course, his campaign continued to push race until Rev. Wright, but at least he showed that he knew it was wrong.

He'll have to at least apologize for this if he has any interest in unifying the party.

by souvarine 2008-05-26 07:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha" using RFK

Apologize for what, exactly?  That condemnation was about as mild as condemnations get.  "Unfortunate"?  Them's real fightin' words there.

And then, once the context of the remarks became clear, he and his campaign spent the next 24 hours on the talking-head shows defending Sen. Clinton.

Can you link me to the clips of Clinton campaign officials defending Sen. Obama on "bitter"?  On Rev. Wright?  On Ayers?  Let's see 'em.  If you can't provide them, I think it's the Clinton campaign that needs to do the apologizing... because they just got shown up big time by the magnanimity of the Obama campaign.

by mistersite 2008-05-26 07:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha" using RFK

For this:

"Senator Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign," wrote Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton in a missive to reporters.

Burton's e-mail included a link to a New York Post story which noted that Obama, who received a Secret Service detail early in the campaign, has been the subject of threats.

The Obama campaign's decision to target Clinton's RFK reference forced the former first lady to express regret for her remarks.

It also ensured that the dust-up would be covered on all three network newscasts.

and this:

Mr. Stephanopoulos: You say you're not trying to stir the issue up. But a member of your press staff yesterday was sending around to an entire press list -- I have the e-mail here -- Keith Olbermann's searing commentary against Hillary Clinton. So that is stirring this up, isn't it?

Mr. Axelrod: Well, Mr. Olbermann did his commentary and he had his opinion. But as far as we're concerned.

Mr. Stephanopoulos: But your campaign was sending it around.

Obama doesn't have to apologize for feeding the Tuzla smear, or for most of the other pseudo-scandals his campaign has generated. Those are politics as usual. Exploiting race and RFK's death are not.

by souvarine 2008-05-26 07:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha" using RFK

And again - where are your links to Clinton surrogates defending Obama when he was smeared?  Let's see 'em.

by mistersite 2008-05-26 07:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha" using RFK

She's just not as big a hypocrite as Obama. She won't pretend to forgive him while her campaign is using the exact same issue to tear him down. She runs her campaign with some integrity, even when on the attack.

by souvarine 2008-05-26 08:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha" using RFK

So you mean that you are a kid who doesnt wanna grow up and apologize because someone else has to apologize for something else?

I hope you are not Obama supporter because if you are, he will be ashamed of you. Tit for tat politics is not hope or change.

by Sandeep 2008-05-26 11:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha" using RFK

Exactly what do I have to apologize for?

The fact remains that despite an initial angry response from the campaign - which was even then pretty mild - the Obama campaign has done nothing but defend Hillary Clinton, saying that her remarks were taken out of context and that we should move on.

This stands in stark contrast to her campaign's response to "bitter," Wright, Ayers, Rezko, etc. where Hillary Clinton, her campaign, and her supporters on this site jumped at the opportunity to read every word of Barack Obama's or anyone he's ever associated with in the worst possible light - even after it became clear from the context that there was absolutely nothing negative about Sen. Obama in any of these things.

Obama had the decency to right the ship after it became clear that Clinton's remarks, in context, were a lot less problematic than they seemed (though, I'd argue, they were still problematic); Clinton's campaign and supporters on this site, when faced with the same choice, took the low road.

by mistersite 2008-05-26 12:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha" using RFK

Fair enough.  When can I expect Senator Clinton's apology for exploiting sex and (also) RFK's death?

by freedom78 2008-05-26 08:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha" using RFK

And then, once the context of the remarks became clear,

Could there be a more obvious, if unwitting, admission to how eager the Obama campaign was to smear Hillary?

I mean, they smear her first, and THEN try to determine the context?

Really, I love your unity, guys. Ranks right up there with your sincerity and your new politics.

by frankly0 2008-05-26 07:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha" using RFK

Smear?  "Unfortunate" is now a smear?  It's a quick response, and about as mild a condemnation as you're going to see in politics.

Besides, are you going to argue that her comments weren't unfortunate?  They certainly didn't do her any good.

by mistersite 2008-05-26 07:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha" using RFK

Did you just fall off the turnip truck or something, for Christ's sake?

Look, the assertion by the Obama campaign was that it was "unfortunate and has no place in this campaign" and it was accompanied by links to articles decrying the invocation of "assassination", because of how that might apply to Obama.

Now please don't tell me that this is not a clear attempt to ratchet up hysteria about Hillary's allusion on the part of the Obama campaign to the possibility that Obama might be assassinated.

I hope you haven't descended into that level of rank dishonesty.

Look, I know Obama supporters want to pretend that Obama's campaign handled this nobly, because that is the sort of self-delusion that seems to make you tick. But in fact it engaged in one of the vilest, and most baseless smears in recent political history.

And this is going to hurt Obama in the long run, without a doubt. The sheer hypocrisy of his pretending to represent a new politics and unity while engaged in this sort of vicious behavior will never be forgiven by many Hillary supporters.

And when the Obama comes knocking, asking for -- well, actually, demanding stridently, since that's his style -- the votes of Hillary supporters, we will remember well this ugly little episode in "unity".

by frankly0 2008-05-26 08:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha" using RFK

I should have written more clearly above,

Now please don't tell me that this is not a clear attempt on the part of the Obama campaign to ratchet up hysteria over Hillary's supposed allusion to the possibility that Obama might be assassinated.

by frankly0 2008-05-26 08:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha" using RFK

Now please don't tell me that this is not a clear attempt to ratchet up hysteria about Hillary's allusion on the part of the Obama campaign to the possibility that Obama might be assassinated.

They were asked for a comment; they provided one.  In the minutes immediately following the comment, they distributed the story - as any rapid response campaign will do.

When the context became clear, they not only backtracked from the criticism but defended their opponent from the media's attacks.

But in fact it engaged in one of the vilest, and most baseless smears in recent political history.

Really?  You're going to put this up there with the Swiftboaters, the ugly Max Cleland ad, and the Rove rumors about John McCain's black love child in SC?  You think this reaches that level?

And yet you accuse me of rank dishonesty.

And when the Obama comes knocking, asking for -- well, actually, demanding stridently, since that's his style -- the votes of Hillary supporters, we will remember well this ugly little episode in "unity".

Yes.  Remember it well.  Remember that the candidate defended his opponent.  Also please remember the Clinton campaign's response to the "bitter" comments as a matter of contrast.

While you're busy remembering things when the Obama campaign asks for your vote (and, by the way, let'se see a link or retraction of Obama "demanding [your vote] stridently"), remember also the men and women serving in Iraq who would remain there perpetually under John McCain.  Remember also the women whose right to reproductive freedom would be curtailed under the Scalia clones John McCain would nominate to the Supreme Court.  Remember also the people who have been on the receiving end of the Bush economy - an economy John McCain thinks is going just swimmingly.

by mistersite 2008-05-26 08:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha" using RFK

You neglect to mention the bin Laden / Dean ad, by Obama's communications director Robert Gibbs. But yeah, accusing a candidate of wishing for or hinting at her opponents assassination is somewhere below questioning a veteran's patriotism or a candidate's daughter's patrimony.

by souvarine 2008-05-26 09:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha" using RFK

accusing a candidate of wishing for or hinting at her opponents assassination

Provide a link to anyone associated with the Obama campaign making this accusation, or retract your claim.  Hop to it.

by mistersite 2008-05-26 10:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha" using RFK

Bill Burton, Obama's spokesman, when he sent an email saying her statement "has no place in this campaign" linked to an article from the NY Post titled "HILLARY RAISES ASSASSINATION ISSUE."

I'd like to think the Obama campaign's multiple emails to their entire press list pushing this claim (another included Keith Olberman's screed) were a mistake by an overactive rapid-response team that has gotten unhinged. But if that were the case Obama would have apologized for his campaign's mistake and taken some action to get them back on track.

by souvarine 2008-05-26 11:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha" using RFK

And again - where in "unfortunate" and "has no place in this campaign" do you find "accusing a candidate of wishing for or hinting at her opponents assassination" (emphasis mine)?

And you have no idea what Obama has said behind closed doors getting his rapid response team on track.  Over the past three days, the pattern has been Obama spokespeople defending Hillary Clinton and asking the press to move on; how is that not back on track?

by mistersite 2008-05-26 12:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha" using RFK

I find it in the article Burton linked to, given that his interpretation from the article is the only thing that has no place in this campaign.

I would love to hear from Barack Obama what he has done to get his rapid response team on track, there is no visible sign that he has done anything. Gibbs is still communications director, Burton is still spokesman and Axelrod is still saying one thing in public while sending emails to reporters stirring things up. As far as I can tell Obama intends to continue his sleaze and smear SOP.

by souvarine 2008-05-26 01:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha" using RFK

Jesus Christ, I'm just going to make one point, and then be done with you. Just too much bad faith on your part for me to deal with.

All the Obama campaign had to do, when confronted with this remark was to say, "no comment" until more was revealed about its context. Nothing could have been easier. God only knows how often a campaign has said exactly that when first confronted with something they are asked to remark upon.

Instead, they not only make their statement regarding the comment, they actually link to an article decrying it, further trying to ratchet up hysteria.

Then they start to backtrack, pretending that they are somehow noble, while knowing that the slime has already been loosed upon the media, and, with their own original comment as cover, will be repeated endlessly throughout the weekend. This of course is their technique for having it both ways: both getting the smear in action, but acting as if they have no responsibility for it, and instead are nobly "defending" Hillary.

If you can't admit that that's how it played out, you are incapable of honesty anymore when it comes to your idol.

And you obviously can't admit it.

by frankly0 2008-05-26 09:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha" using RFK

Why didn't Hillary do that when confronted with a similar situation regarding Kerry in 2006?

by map 2008-05-26 09:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha" using RFK

My "idol"?  I'm so frakking sick of the constant "cultist" smear by Clinton supporters, I'm tempted to TR you for that alone.  Simply defending the actions of the candidate I support is now equivalent to "idol" worship?  Please show some respect for others and their choices.

Nevertheless, I think you give the Obama campaign far too much credit for being calculating.  When I first read the Clinton quote, I was absolutely livid - and I'm just a lowly occasional volunteer.  I can only imagine how campaign staffers, who've worked with him for a year and a half now, would feel about these comments.  Those reports about the Obama campaign being privately furious probably weren't far off the mark.  Have you ever said something you've regretted later in anger?  I know I have.  Let's cut them some slack there - especially as they went out on a limb defending Sen. Clinton only a few hours later.

by mistersite 2008-05-26 10:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha" using RFK

Just one other point.

With this incident, on top of so many others, Obama and his campaign have revealed themselves to be as disgusting in their smear tactics as any Republican I can think of.

Why should a Hillary supporter vote for a man and a campaign that engages in this sort of truly despicable slime?

Policy isn't everything you know. No one should vote for someone who happily abuses them, or allows them to be abused.

by frankly0 2008-05-26 09:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha" using RFK

Policy isn't everything you know. No one should vote for someone who happily abuses them, or allows them to be abused.

Policy is everything to the soldiers in Iraq right now, who are suffering physical and psychological wounds in a war that should never have been authorized and should never have been waged.  John McCain wants to keep them there; Barack Obama will bring them home.

Policy is everything to a family who lost their jobs when the company they worked for decided they could pay Chinese kids 1/10 of what they pay American workers, and are now in danger of losing their house and health insurance.  John McCain thinks the Bush economy is just fine; Barack Obama wants to make the economy more fair.

Policy is everything to a young woman who is unexpectedly pregnant, or who needs access to birth control, and who relies on the federal judiciary for the protection of her reproductive choice.  John McCain wants to remove that protection by appointing more Scalia clones to the federal bench; Barack Obama wants to preserve it.

And where exactly do you get off comparing this political campaign to "abuse" of Hillary Clinton's supporters by Barack Obama?  In what way is a political campaign in which two opponents engage in public communication even remotely similar to the images of battered women and children suggested by your choice of words?  I have no doubt there are people reading this thread who have suffered real abuse; your choice of that term to describe a political campaign is as offensive as it is insensitive.

by mistersite 2008-05-26 10:08AM | 0 recs
I don't think so

Apologizing would be an admission that his campaign was involved in creating this story.  I don't think we are likely to see that.

by lombard 2008-05-26 07:46AM | 0 recs
Re: I don't think so

My guess is because they didn't have anything to do with creating the story.

by niksder 2008-05-26 07:48AM | 0 recs
Re: I don't think so

That's because they weren't.

The New York Post was involved in creating this story, as was Hillary Clinton, who regardless of the context said something pretty damned stupid.  The Obama campaign provided a comment in response to inquiries, and probably out of haste and anger.

After the context became clear, the campaign dispatched all its surrogates to the talking-head shows to defend Clinton.

Let's see the link to the Clinton surrogates' defense of Obama's "bitter" remarks once the context of those became clear.

by mistersite 2008-05-26 07:49AM | 0 recs
The bitter episode was a little different

Clinton made a historical reference to two campaigns that were still going in June.  I suspect she picked these two because they were the most vivid in her mind.  Then, a bunch of people (whoever they were) tried to infer some insidious intent where there was none.

As for Obama's "bitter" remarks:

1) There was nothing really insidious about them and no one tried to claim there was;
2) They were made with the clear intent of explaining voter behavior of certain demographics.

Obama's "bitter" comments were not so much insulting as they were irritating and they reinforced the stereotype of liberal elites as having an obsession to diagnose the behaviors of those who do not readily warm to them.  No politician, from the right or left, should be spending time publicly speculating about socioeconomic theories to explain why voters do or do not vote for him.  Voters don't like to hear politicians talk about them that way.  

Speculating that one was accepted or rejected for policy or vote choices might be different.  For example, if Clinton reasoned that her vote for the war authorization and other Bush friendly foreign policy measures contributed heavily to her demise in the Democratic primary, both those for and against her probably would see this as a reasonable and justifiable inference.

by lombard 2008-05-26 08:08AM | 0 recs
Re: The bitter episode was a little different

There was nothing really insidious about them and no one tried to claim there was

Wha?  Hillary used it in campaign ads to attack Obama, in fundraising material, in speeches, in press conferences.

That's what 'gotcha' politics looks like.  Not one statement sent out when a story first breaks and the press comes looking for comment.

by map 2008-05-26 08:19AM | 0 recs
She attacked the wrongheadedness of them

Wrongheadedness is not the same thing as "evil" or "insidious."  Many Democrats didn't like Obama's public thoughts because:

1) They thought the explanations were weak and silly;

2) They thought the words sounded too much like the all-too-familiar condescending liberal image.  One could have easily pictured Kerry saying something similar.

by lombard 2008-05-26 08:33AM | 0 recs
Yup. You are right.

I find this diary to be in line with what I feel.

Good diary Jacob.

I agree with you - the Obama campaign is just another political campaign - I don't find it being above the fray.

The way they are treating Hillary is quite loathsome. I just wish that they weren't like this.

I don't like Axelrod. He has such a bi-forked tongue that it sometimes absolutely appalls me how he touts somethings and does exactly the opposite.

by optimisticBoy 2008-05-26 07:42AM | 0 recs
Don't worry

Voters have a way of seeing through these things.  

by lombard 2008-05-26 07:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Don't worry

lombard, thanks.

How can there be unity with such hatred being spewed all the time?

If you compare the things that Axelrod and Alex Castellanos have said, there's actually very little difference. One is a Democratic strategist while another is racist scumbag who specializes in hate-ads for the Republicans. I don't know if people know this.

What do you think about this?

by optimisticBoy 2008-05-26 07:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Don't worry

Which is why exit poll after exit poll has shown that voters think Hillary has attacked Obama unfairly.

by map 2008-05-26 08:02AM | 0 recs
I was referring to the GE

Considerable opposition has developed for Obama as this campaign has rolled on.  That opposition has not been significant enough to derail him in the Democratic primary but may be considerably more manifest in the GE.

by lombard 2008-05-26 08:15AM | 0 recs
Re: I was referring to the GE

And yet even the exit polls from the most recent states, even states Hillary won handily, show that she was seen as attacking unfairly.

by map 2008-05-26 08:16AM | 0 recs
Well, we'll just have to see

For all the talk of her high unfavorables, the popular vote numbers in the primary are very close.  That should tell you something about voter unease over Obama.  Do you think this unease would be less OUTSIDE of the Democratic primary electorate?

You can't chalk this up to just voter unfamiliarity.  Obama is the best known, best funded, most publicized "upstart" or "challenger" in my entire life.  

by lombard 2008-05-26 08:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Well, we'll just have to see

It tells me that we have two extremely strong candidates this year.

It's going to be a very good year. Obama will not have trouble beating the worst candidate ever (McCain... I mean, have you heard the guy speak?) following in the footsteps of the worst president ever.

by map 2008-05-26 08:45AM | 0 recs
Overconfidence kills

Killed the Republicans.  Can do the same for Democrats.

by lombard 2008-05-26 08:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Overconfidence kills

So can inferiority complexes.

by venician 2008-05-26 09:00AM | 0 recs
OK, fair enough. That gave me a chuckle.

by lombard 2008-05-26 09:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha"

Everybody is just picking on Hillary for no reason and trying to take her words out of context.

Hillary is a fighter, tough as nails, and ready to lead.

by HillsMyGirl 2008-05-26 07:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays "Gotcha"

No reason?  It's obvious that they pick on her because they are sexist.  If they weren't, they would just hand her the nomination.

by neeborMolgula 2008-05-26 08:07AM | 0 recs
Unbelievable

Why even bother with the specifics?

The well-oiled umbrage machine doesn't need specifics.

Why not just diary about the audacity of Obama for living - for running, for winning?

Hillary Clinton commits a big gaffe - and it's cause to get pissed at Obama.

Ridiculous.

Cult accuser deprogram thyself.

by zonk 2008-05-26 07:46AM | 0 recs
I wouldn't really call it a gaffe

Unless, of course, making historical references to past campaigns is now a gaffe.

by lombard 2008-05-26 07:49AM | 0 recs
Re: I wouldn't really call it a gaffe

It is when the past campaign involved a young, charismatic leader who was assassinated - and the 40th anniversary of that assassination is coming up in two weeks, and that leader's brother was just diagnosed with terminal brain cancer.

Even in context, mentioning RFK was a pretty boneheaded thing to do.  If she was that hard up for examples of campaigns going into June, maybe she shouldn't have mentioned the thought at all.

by mistersite 2008-05-26 07:52AM | 0 recs
Maybe she is just particularly partial to RFK

and the memory of him.  She mentioned her husband and RFK in the same passage.  My guess is that those two particular examples are the most vivid for her.

by lombard 2008-05-26 08:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Maybe she is just particularly partial to RFK

And the funny thing is that neither example really worked for her case, when you think about it.  Bill Clinton had all but sewn up the nomination in April when Paul Tsongas dropped out of the race, and when Kennedy was running in June, the primary calendar was much more spread out and not nearly as front-loaded as it is now - which is evident from the fact that a large state like CA was still having its primary in June.  There remain no more large delegate states in this primary race; the June analogy doesn't really fit here.

by mistersite 2008-05-26 08:26AM | 0 recs
I'll buy that

by lombard 2008-05-26 08:35AM | 0 recs
Obama's many crimes

I have it on good authority that Obama convinced Clinton to vote to authorize use of force so that he could use it against her.  He also was behind the Iron My Shirt brigade, Whitewater witch hunt, and he created Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, and Monica Lewinsky with a chemistry kit in his basement.  New information, just come to light, has Obama authoring NAFTA and participating in the failure of the Somalia mission.  Bill and Hillary Clinton both wanted to intervene in Rwanda, but Obama talked them out of it.  Also, Obama served for eight years as a secret republican operative, from 1992-200, working to shrink the democratic party's legislative caucuses in order to hang it on the Clintons.  Obama also convinced Mark Penn that dem primaries were winner-take-all and that HRC would have the nomination wrapped up by Feb. 5.  Oh, and he once hit my mom.

by Strummerson 2008-05-26 07:52AM | 0 recs
Obama defines hypocrisy

On one hand his campaign first fans the story, then he gives his lame "take her for her word" bs and then we find out that they are not only pushing the story but also circulating the special bloviation of Keith the clown.

Obama's politics is based on Chicago alright but that of the Chicago mob. The head always disassociates himself from the work of his minions so that nothing comes back to him. In this case his minions do the character assassination while he plays the hypocritical politician.

My views from dislike of Obama and his campaign has grown into deep dislike and hatred. I don't see myself campaigning or contributing to this false-god hypocritical messiah. For all I care let him be damned.

by tarheel74 2008-05-26 07:53AM | 0 recs
Anger the next stage in the grieving process

"Whenever one's identity and social order face the possibility of destruction, there is a natural tendency to feel angry, frustrated, helpless, and/or hurt. The volatile reactions of terror, hatred, resentment, and jealousy are often experienced as emotional manifestations of these feelings."

by venician 2008-05-26 09:21AM | 0 recs
keep up the taunts

and we'll see if your messiah can win with the support of AA and out-of-touch elitists. There are 17 millions people who voted for Hillary. That much more than any democratic candidate including Obama who is in the process of stealing this nomination against the popular vote. As of now all metric points towards him losing the Clinton bloc. If that happens kiss the WH goodbye.

by tarheel74 2008-05-26 01:01PM | 0 recs
De Nile: not just a river

So funny, how all twelve of you deadenders on thiss site think you represent millions of voters. Good luck with moving along to the next stage of your grieving process.

by venician 2008-05-26 01:13PM | 0 recs
Re: De Nile: not just a river

"deadenders" the last time it was used was by a man whose campaign Obama emulated for the past few months...not a good choice of words.

by tarheel74 2008-05-26 05:24PM | 0 recs
Exactly - still pushing it Saturday

by sending around Keith O's Friday night spittle-laced tirade to reporters. I thought Obama already "won" this primary?

Odd behavior for a winner and uniter:

George Stephanopoulos, the host of ABC's "This Week," asked David Axelrod, Mr. Obama's top strategist, about the e-mail:

Mr. Stephanopoulos: You say you're not trying to stir the issue up. But a member of your press staff yesterday was sending around to an entire press list -- I have the e-mail here -- Keith Olbermann's searing commentary against Hillary Clinton. So that is stirring this up, isn't it?"

Mr. Axelrod: "Well, Mr. Olbermann did his commentary and he had his opinion. But as far as we're concerned."

Mr. Stephanopoulos: "But your campaign was sending it around."

Mr. Axelrod: "As far as we're concerned, George, as far as we're concerned, this issue is done. It was an unfortunate statement, as we said, as she's acknowledged. She has apologized. The apology, you know, is accepted. Let's move forward."

Mr. Axelrod: "There's so many important things going on in this country right now, George, that people are interested in that we're not going to spend days dwelling on this."

by catfish2 2008-05-26 10:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Exactly - still pushing it Saturday

that's because he is a hypocrite. No doubt about that.

by tarheel74 2008-05-26 01:01PM | 0 recs
Hillary plays "gotcha" politics!

Here's Hillary playing 'gotcha' journalism when Kerry botched his joke in 2006.

From the NY Times:

Mr. Kerry's prepared remarks to California students on Monday called for him to say, "Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask President Bush." In his delivery, he dropped the word "us."

Democrats came out strongly against him. Representative Harold E. Ford Jr., who is running for an open Senate seat in Tennessee, said Mr. Kerry was "wrong to say what he did," and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York called Mr. Kerry's remarks inappropriate.

How dare she call the words "inappropriate".  Such incendiary language.

The bottom line is that the press has always gone to candidates for comments and that there was nothing wrong or unusual in what Hillary said, OR in what the Obama campaign put out in the early hours of the controversy.

If you want to see an example of a campaign shamelessly exploiting a non-issue, look at how Hillary used "bitter".  Speeches, ads, fundraising letters, campaign signs and stickers.  

So taring Obama with this is pathetic.

by map 2008-05-26 08:01AM | 0 recs
I forgot about that dreadful smear!

Now I remember why I could never vote for Hillary!  How dare she engage in the politics of personal destruction against Kerry?!

</snark>

Seriously though, that is a perfect illustration of how restrained the response to her remarks was.  Great find!

by you like it 2008-05-26 08:32AM | 0 recs
Yeah those &quot;I am not an assassin&quot;

bumper stickers are outrageous! Those comments about her being an out of touch murderess are really beyond the pale. That commercial of her with a sniper rifle in her hand aiming at Obama was over the top!

Bullshit. Troll on back to LGF.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-26 08:33AM | 0 recs
He's a politician, not a saint

Non-believers understand this enormous difference, whereas his acolytes do not.

by dcrolg 2008-05-26 09:16AM | 0 recs
Re: He's a politician, not a saint

Why is it so hard for people to have respect for the other candidate's supporters? This is a terrible type of groupthink because both Obama supporters AND Clinton supporters have great reasons for supporting their candidates.

by Hammy 2008-05-26 11:05AM | 0 recs
You, sir, are an exception

at this point in the process.  There was a time when we did have a common cause.  But as the nomination process went on, the zealotry shifted, rational discussion went to the wayside and IMO, the more younger, immature Obama supporters, by virtue of the anonymity of blogging, became seriously rude and outrightly offensive.  And it didnt help that the founder of the site, doesnt/didnt show any better behavior.  Alegre said it very well back in February.

It has spiraled to the point where it is now.  I've almost no respect for a signifcant amount of Obama supporters; when I do repsect their views, I let them know.  Otherwise, I call them as I see them.  Perhaps many others share my similar thoughts.

by dcrolg 2008-05-27 07:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Plays &quot;Gotcha&quot;

This is spot on:

What possible "offense" was he talking about? By this time, Robert Kennedy Jr. had already said that he had heard HRC make exactly the same remark before, in reference to the timeline of the nomination, and he wasn't offended, so who does Barack Obama think he is that would entitle him to be "offended" by someone talking about a Kennedy assassination in a way that didn't offend the Kennedys?

I'm not going to plough through the comments here but I'm sure there are a whole lot of rants about your diary.

by Montague 2008-05-26 11:17AM | 0 recs

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