UPDATEx4: CNN- Obama resigns church membership (confirmed)

CNN commentator Roland Martin is reporting that Obama has resigned his membership in his church, Trinity Baptist.  Will post more once something posts online.

UPDATE #1: Still nothing on the web, though the story has been picked up by most of the other blogs out there. Looks legitimate, though. Also- interesting timing, as the talking heads are busy discussing the restart of the DNC Rules meeting, which just got going a few minutes ago. Smart?

UPDATE #2: Reputable Chicago blogger Monroe Anderson is reporting that Obama sent a letter to Trinity yesterday. He's critical of Obama's decision, but understands it. I feel the same- I wish it wasn't necessary, but politically it seems like the only answer.

UPDATE #3: CNN saying they have confirmed this. Still no web link, but running on the ticker.

UPDATE #4: CNN confirms through Obama's campaign and has posted an article online. Obama will hold a news conference after his appearance in South Dakota.

Tags: obama, Primaries, religion, Wright (all tags)



Thank God

A church membership is one of hte most important issues in the Presidential race. It's very important.

by Lance Bryce 2008-05-31 01:56PM | 0 recs
Yup, it's on DK.

It's time for him to join John McCain's church. That's the only way to quell this nonsense.

by Firewall 2008-05-31 01:57PM | 0 recs
But McSame doesn't attend ANY church

like Reagan, the talk with piety, but they stay home on Sunday and watch football.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-31 02:04PM | 0 recs
Well, if it's on DK it must be true!

This is snark!

by bobswern 2008-05-31 02:18PM | 0 recs
I knew it!!!

He's quitting his christian church and converting to Islam! He really is a manchurian candidate, just like it says in that ad on taylor Marsh's site!

by Lance Bryce 2008-05-31 01:58PM | 0 recs
Re: I knew it!!!

Ha!  I was hoping he'd stay, so he could be the world's first Muslim with both a crazy Baptist preacher and a crazed Catholic priest.

by ihaveseenenough 2008-05-31 01:59PM | 0 recs
Re: I knew it!!!

I knew you! you're a blabbering idiot!

by Democrat in Chicago 2008-05-31 02:01PM | 0 recs
It IS nonsense

I still think Pfleger, and to a lesser degree Wright, got Swiftboated a bit here, but in the end if this quiets things it's probably the smart political move.

by ihaveseenenough 2008-05-31 01:58PM | 0 recs
Re: It IS nonsense

I don't think so. It will be seen as a political move and it wouldn't have any effect. Anyone that base their decision on his church aren't going to believe him. He should have done this the time that wright story broke out. It is not going to make any difference now.

by navid 2008-05-31 03:02PM | 0 recs
That church does not want Obama to win

clearly. I really don't know why they want to see him fail so. He did the right thing.

by catfish2 2008-05-31 01:59PM | 0 recs
Re: That church does not want Obama to win

I kind of got that impression also.  Especially with this Pfleger thing.  These people aren't that stupid.  They know after Wrightgate they're being watched over and everything is being combed through by the RW.

by venavena 2008-05-31 02:02PM | 0 recs
Re: That church does not want Obama to pander

i have to admit my response to SOME white people's heads exploding when they see the way Black people view them is similar to Rev. Pfleger's.

Black people know the truth about America, they know the truth about American racism, and, what galls SOME white Americans is that they speak the truth about America. and of course, politicians are NOT supposed to tell the truth about America.

so i don't think these church people are trying to hurt Obama, they just put the truth above a political campaign. and while Rev. Pfleger's remarks were WAY over the top and very offensive, they were also a pretty accurate reflection of the sense of entitlement too many white people have, MAYBE even the Clintons, MAYBE (we'll see next week).

but i know, the truth is anathema to politics. so very bad move politically by the church, Obama probably had to resign.  

by catchaz 2008-05-31 02:15PM | 0 recs
White privilege exists. But it was sexist

and it was racist. But I know you disagree.

by catfish2 2008-05-31 02:19PM | 0 recs
no, i agree

i thought the substance of his remakrs on white privilege was right, but i agree his wording was offensive, and possibly sexist and racist. (altho yes, i have a problem equating anger at white people for racism with racism.)

by catchaz 2008-05-31 02:22PM | 0 recs
Re: no, i agree

i don't see that it's sexist.  not even sure it's racist- it's RACIAL, but not quite racist.

by ihaveseenenough 2008-05-31 02:28PM | 0 recs
Pfleger tagged whites with a broad brush

and stereotypes an entire group of people based on their race. I call that racism.

What about the many many many whites who would love to see an African American elected president. He gave them no credit.

by catfish2 2008-05-31 02:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Pfleger tagged whites with a broad brush

He didn't address them.  Read the comments again and show me where he paints all white people with the same brush.

Or, look at the video.  Note that there are several white people in the audience..

by ihaveseenenough 2008-05-31 03:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Pfleger tagged whites with a broad brush

Pfleger went on to say that a whole lot of white people were crying.

that kinda is a broad brush.

by colebiancardi 2008-05-31 03:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Pfleger tagged whites with a broad brush

You might want to work on your definition of racist.  I've always been taught it is a convergence of 2 horrible traits prejuidice and bigotry with power.  Although the Catholic priests words were rude im not sure where they hit any of those things that define racism.

by Adept2u 2008-05-31 03:50PM | 0 recs
Re: White privilege exists. But it was sexist

Talking about racism isn't racist. Not sure which part was sexist.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-31 02:36PM | 0 recs
Stereotyping a swath of people based on race

is racist.

Assuming an attitude of an entire group of people because they are of the same race is racist.

by catfish2 2008-05-31 02:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Stereotyping a swath of people based on race

Who did he stereotype? He talked about Clinton, the supporters of hers who admitted they were racist, and people who deny their white privilege. He was quite specific.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-31 03:05PM | 0 recs
So you agree with him.

That she felt entitled because she is WHITE.

by catfish2 2008-05-31 03:15PM | 0 recs
Re: So you agree with him.

I'm sure that's part of it. White privilege and entitlement is real.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-31 03:20PM | 0 recs
You are a mind reader.

First of all that she thinks she is entitled.

Second that she is entitled not because she's spent her lifetime working for families and children and her country, but also because of who she is married to. (Assumption with no evidence.)

So her husband coasted on her salary until he was elected governor. And that's OK. But it's not OK for his wife to strike out and compete in electoral politics based on a lifetime of work for her country. Because she has a successful husband, so she should stay out of electoral politics. (Sexist.)

Third that you think she is entitled because "I'm white. Therefore I deserve this." (Assumption with no evidence.)(Racist.)

by catfish2 2008-05-31 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: You are a mind reader.

She clearly feels entitled. She said the was going to be the nominee way back in November 2007. She hadn't even considered that it would be hers. Those were her words.

She's not entitled to anything based on her life. Her life wasn't more valuable to our nation than most of the other people running.

Again. White privilege and white entitlement complexes are real things and people certainly aren't going to admit that they feel that way. Their actions speak where there words will not. If you think the idea of white privilege and entitlement complexes aren't real that's your problem not mine but those ideas don't meet the definition of racist at all.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-31 04:10PM | 0 recs
Re: You are a mind reader.

*wouldn't be hers.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-31 04:40PM | 0 recs
Re: CNN- Obama resigns church membership?

I'd give anything for him to be a closet atheist.  It's about f#$king time we had someone who didn't believe in a mysterious floating head that controls the universe.

Even better would be one (just one!) reference to the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

by ProgressiveDL 2008-05-31 01:59PM | 0 recs
Re: CNN- Obama resigns church membership?

That would be worth paying for.

Oddly, guess who's the highest profile agnostic in modern politics- none other than Satan himself, Mr. Karl Rove.  Who knew.

by ihaveseenenough 2008-05-31 02:00PM | 0 recs
Agreed! n/t

by sricki 2008-05-31 02:03PM | 0 recs
ROFLMAO on "floating head" comment! n/t

by bobswern 2008-05-31 02:03PM | 0 recs
Amen to the FSM

That faith has the best car magnet.

by catfish2 2008-05-31 02:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Amen to the FSM

Now goddammit Catfish.  Just when I think we don't have anything in common, you post something like that and it puts this whole stupid mess into perspective.

We are all His Creatures.

by minnesotaryan 2008-05-31 02:12PM | 0 recs
Flying Spaghetti Monster!

Thanks for the chuckle. I especially needed one today.

by Swedie 2008-05-31 04:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster!

I wish I had the guts to put that on any forms that ask for your religion.  Though now that I think of it, I can't remember the last form I filled out that wanted that.  Hmm...that's a good thing at least

by ProgressiveDL 2008-05-31 07:07PM | 0 recs
Re: CNN- Obama resigns church membership?

Now - if we could just get him to resign as a nominee...

by nikkid 2008-05-31 02:00PM | 0 recs
Re: CNN- Obama resigns church membership?

That'd be about the only way you'd be happy.

by ihaveseenenough 2008-05-31 02:01PM | 0 recs
Don't worry, he'll do something like that.

after his two terms are up.

by Massadonious 2008-05-31 02:04PM | 0 recs
Re: CNN- Obama resigns church membership?

Wishful thinking.

by venavena 2008-05-31 02:08PM | 0 recs
Re: CNN- Obama resigns church membership?

TROLLERIFIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!1

by blue2008 2008-05-31 02:41PM | 0 recs
how many people can one throw under the bus?

by DiamondJay 2008-05-31 02:00PM | 0 recs
Re: how many people can one throw under the bus?

Depends on who is driving the bus, and how much they've had to drink.

by ihaveseenenough 2008-05-31 02:01PM | 0 recs
Ask Hillary - they hold the Guinness Record

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-31 02:08PM | 0 recs
Well, at least he didn't wait...

...until he had almost clinched the nomination to make this symbolic statement.

(This IS snark.)

by bobswern 2008-05-31 02:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Well, at least he didn't wait...

Youre snark don't make much sense. No matter when he did it, someone like you would just claim he was being an opportunist. If he had done it earlier, y'all would have jumped on him, claiming he was just another politician and had to principles.

by BlueGAinDC 2008-05-31 02:06PM | 0 recs
"Someone like me?"

"Someone like me's" gonna' vote for the guy in the GE!

Someone like you is going to disaffect a lot of "someone's like me" if you maintain this troll-ish attitude!

Whose side are you on here?

I'm on the Democrat's side!

by bobswern 2008-05-31 02:15PM | 0 recs
Sad that he felt he had to do this. n/t

by sricki 2008-05-31 02:02PM | 0 recs
I don't know if he had to

He could have had a great public moment addressing the congregants who cheered on that sermon.

But this is what he chose to do, so be it.

by catfish2 2008-05-31 02:08PM | 0 recs
Re: I don't know if he had to

Cheered as they should have. Entitlement and racism is nothing to be ignored.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-31 02:10PM | 0 recs
Yes, so be it.

Perhaps he felt it was wise from a political standpoint.

by sricki 2008-05-31 02:16PM | 0 recs
Re: CNN- Obama resigns church membership?

What will they talk about now??!

by MissVA 2008-05-31 02:03PM | 0 recs
Re: CNN- Obama resigns church membership?

Hopefully- how AWESOME a job Obama is going to do!

by ihaveseenenough 2008-05-31 02:04PM | 0 recs
Re: CNN- Obama resigns church membership?

He done it for the poor people of that church. They must be sick of being harrassed.

by MissVA 2008-05-31 02:04PM | 0 recs
Re: CNN- Obama resigns church membership?

They were. I have a friend who's grandmother attends that church and they wanted Obama to resign because they were tired of being harassed. Do you know that their tires were being slashed and Fox News is at there EVERY sunday trying to play "gotcha"

by sweet potato pie 2008-05-31 02:23PM | 0 recs
Re: CNN- Obama resigns church membership?

Jesus, is that true? That makes me so very ill. What the hell did that congregation do to ANYBODY? For that matter, what did the pastor do? They were words!!!! That's it!!!

There's two things to learn from that. Number one, freedom to worship as you choose in your own private church only counts if you are conservative. Number two, when Wright talks about how white people have no respect for black people, it is not entirely unwarranted, even now.

by vcalzone 2008-05-31 02:36PM | 0 recs
Re: CNN- Obama resigns church membership?

NOT to say that MOST white people are responsible for that sort of malice. But is there any real question of what kind of people did this?

by vcalzone 2008-05-31 02:37PM | 0 recs
Re: CNN- Obama resigns church membership?

From what I hear it was getting pretty bad and the safety of the members was a problem.

by sweet potato pie 2008-05-31 03:42PM | 0 recs
Re: CNN- Obama resigns church membership?

Um, Republicans?

by skohayes 2008-05-31 03:43PM | 0 recs
He'll join The Family since that appears to be AOK

by heresjohnny 2008-05-31 02:09PM | 0 recs
Re: He'll join The Family since that appears to be

I think Obama already belongs to the Family

by colebiancardi 2008-05-31 02:29PM | 0 recs
Re: He'll join The Family since that appears to be

Why do you think that?

by heresjohnny 2008-05-31 02:30PM | 0 recs
Re: He'll join The Family since that appears to be

I thought I had read it somewhere here that he does join in the prayer meetings there.

I could be wrong.

by colebiancardi 2008-05-31 02:52PM | 0 recs
Re: He'll join The Family since that appears to be

Oh I don't know. Lot's of people do on occasion but he's not part of their sex-segregated prayer cells. He can join and pray with some nice right-wingers.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-31 03:03PM | 0 recs
Re: CNN- Obama resigns church membership?

I don't think that he needed to, but I guess he felt he had to, considering how focused the media was on Wright.

But, to be honest, I don't think this is going to make anyone happy. $20 says Alegre comes out with a diary tomorrow saying how this isn't enough, he needs to personally repudiate every single member and pastor of that church.

by Massadonious 2008-05-31 02:13PM | 0 recs
Re: CNN- Obama resigns church membership?

Don't forget another childish diary by Jerome saying "Too little, Too late", or other such nonsense. It will be extra vicious if Clinton doesn't have her way with FL/MI.

by Firewall 2008-05-31 02:25PM | 0 recs
Re: UPDATEx3: CNN- Obama resigns church membership

I can confirm this... I help with Obama's religious targeting.  His membership to the Church was distracting the Church from their community goals, and was distracting the nation (wrongly) from our common challenges.

The Obama family is moving into a big White House in DC in a few months, and have not attended Trinity for some time due to the campaign, so they will be looking for a new Church in DC.

by cardboard 1 2008-05-31 02:27PM | 0 recs
Barack was for Trinity, before he was against it

Trying to follow this story...anybody have whiplash yet?

First, the Philadelphia version: Barack could not disown Wright anymore than he could disown Granny.

Then, Wright gets thrown under the bus: Barack maintains that he hadn't seen the bile and venom from Rev. Wright that the rest of us had been reading about in the media for two months. Even though he attended this "church" for 20 years.

Today: after the skit put on at Trinity by "Father" Pfleger, Barak decides to cut his ties to Trinity.

This, folks, is what we call "just another politician". And his politics isn't the politics of hope, or change...it's just the same old bullshit.

by BJJ Fighter 2008-05-31 02:32PM | 0 recs

...and yet he's still gonna be our nominee.

Oh, the clear thinking voters who don't care
about media-fueled feeding frenzies, why must
you support Barack Obama for POTUS 44???

by Firewall 2008-05-31 02:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Heh.

That's really the bottom line for this HRC supporter.  Yes, the guy is basically just another politician, except with a pretty good line of bullshit to convince people otherwise.  But he's got a lot of other admirable qualities, he's going to be our nominee, he could make a very good president, and we desperately need to win this damn election.  I'm sick of hearing about his faults.  I know they exist because I harped on them for many months during the heated primary battle.  I don't care about them at this point.  I just want to elect a democrat.

by Fuzzy Dunlop 2008-05-31 02:39PM | 0 recs
Yeah, the last guy elected had a good line of b.s.

as well, and we've all watched it unravel over the last eight years, to the detriment of the country.

Take NAFTA: after Barack managed to piss of the Canadian trade minister with his continual rants against free trade, he clumsily dispatched an aide to assure the guy (David Emerson) that he is really for NAFTA.

(See, Obama was against NAFTA, before he was for it)

Bottom line: now that Bush and Company have alienated most of Asia and Europe and turned them against us, Obama and Pelosi (who torpedoed the Columbia Trade Agreement) are trying to do the same here in the Western Hemisphere! Folks, you have to try hard to piss off the Canadians...besides which, no country has been a stronger ally and better trading partner. Perhaps Senator Obama would just like to deep-six NAFTA, and see if Hugo Chavez will sell us the billion barrels of oil will we get from Canada? I suspect he has no clue that we import more from Canada than any other country in the world.

Just one example of an issue that this clown is completely ignorant about, and has already managed to botch. Bottom line, we've just 8 years of the "Amateur Hour"...we don't need Barack to give us another four years of the same.

btw--can ANYONE here tell me if Obama is for NAFTA, or opposed??? Inquiring minds want to know.

by BJJ Fighter 2008-05-31 03:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack was for Trinity, before he was against

And whose fault is that?

Could it be that he tried to do the right thing- and gave an amazing speech, talking to us like grown-ups, and got shut down by people repeating the Swiftboat talking points?  He proved that while he is ready to change the game, some are not.

by ihaveseenenough 2008-05-31 02:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack was for Trinity, before he was against

Not 24 hours after the speech, Clinton and GOP trolls joined forces to chant about "typical white people". Gutter politics indeed.

by Firewall 2008-05-31 02:39PM | 0 recs
The "speech" was inoperative 4 wks later

It couldn't have been THAT great a speech, since Barack repudiated it just a few weeks later. He had the gall to say that he hadn't spoken out against Rev. Wright's statements, "because he hadn't seen them"....even though this garbage had been in the mainstream media for well over a year. When Cheney or W pulls a stunt like this, you folks scream bloody murder.

The Philadelphia speech, hailed by some as being on a par with the Gettysburg addresss, used a flawed kind of "moral equivalence": equating an elderly relative who uses an occassional racial epithet, with a deranged minister who spews vitriol and hate from the pulpit. If Obama can't discern the difference between the two, then he's about as dumb as W, and that's pretty dumb.

by BJJ Fighter 2008-05-31 02:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack was for Trinity, before he was against

That conclusion doesn't make a damn bit of sense. Wright forced him to do what he did and if the stories of harassment are true racist Americans forced him to do this bit.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-31 02:38PM | 0 recs
Re: UPDATEx4: CNN- Obama resigns

This is unfortunate.  But, I guess it will make some here happy.

by rfahey22 2008-05-31 02:36PM | 0 recs
Obama resigns church membership

This disappoints me, but I guess it's best for everyone involved. I'm not sure how he can spin this, though. Maybe he can just stay quiet, but in a sad way, not a guilty way. Not speaking badly of the church might be a good start. So would speaking well of the church's parishioners.

If people have been harassing them, I think that might be something very good to bring to light as well. People might not be so upset about a preacher speaking with such heavy racial overtones if they learn what kind of monsters they are dealing with now.

by vcalzone 2008-05-31 02:41PM | 0 recs
Re: UPDATEx3: CNN- Obama resigns church membership

Well, if he was going to resign from his church after the Pfleger comments, media wise, right now couldn't have been better.  Today is the DNC meeting.  Tomorrows is the PR primary.  Tuesday is the the Montana/SD primary.  By Wednesday or Thursday, Obama should have enough delegates to declare victory.  On a regular week, this resignation would dominate the news cycle.  But with so much going on this week, and the news being released on Saturday, By Wednesday, the resignation with be the 4th or 5th story in the news.          

by reggie23 2008-05-31 02:51PM | 0 recs


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