Why Edwards Supporters Would Follow Obama

I was really sad to see the most progressive of the democratic candidates drop out today.  With that said, we now move on to forecast where the supporters of John Edwards would go now that he's out.  I'll create a short list to support my believe that those supporters would flock to Barack Obama because both Edwards and Obama are similar in that they are both change agents while Hillary in the words of John Edwards, is the "candidate of the Status Quo". They also have similar position on lots of issue:

*    Both Obama and Edwards refused to take money from Federal lobbyists; Hillary took all the cash she could get from the lobbyists.
*    Both Obama and Edwards believe that the lobbyists are a great problem in Washington and must be challenged if real progress is to occur for the benefit of the real American people.  Hillary believes that lobbyists actually represent the best interest of Americans at all time.
*    Both Obama and Edwards believe in standing up for the common people and fighting the establishment to obtain a fair share for the poor.  

Apart from the similarities between Obama and Edwards, I will bet that no Edwards' supporter in good conscience would join Hillary Clinton because of the singular fact that her campaign is in bed with lobbyists.  There is no way one can reconcile John Edwards anti lobbyists' position with Hillary's position and the "champion of the lobbyists".
Moreover, John is dropping out because he doesn't have the money to run effectively in the February 5 states.  This lack was cause by the fact that John out-advertised everybody in South Carolina, yet Hillary denied him a second position through the primary day ROBBOCALLS that deceptively put doubts on voters minds about Edwards.  That primary day robbocalls were mean and underhanded and a typical Clinton style to displace their opponent.

Considering all of the above, I strongly believe that John Edwards' supports would join Obama in the crusade to topple the establishment and help the ordinary Americans take back their governments for the hands of the lobbyists and special interests.

What do you think?

Tags: 2008, clinton, Edwards, Election, Hillary, obama, Primary (all tags)



Re: Why Edwards Supporters Would Follow Obama

we will see wont we

by sepulvedaj3 2008-01-30 07:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Edwards Supporters Would Follow Obama

Mudcat Saunders explicitly stated he will do everything in his power to make sure that John Edwards does not endorse Hillary. I think that pretty much tells you the feelings John Edwards has toward Hillary.

by commoncents 2008-01-30 10:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Edwards Supporters Would Follow Obama

I think a majority of Edwards supporters will move to Hillary now.  Their appeal demographics overlap the most, ergo Clinton stands to gain the most from Edwards dropping out.

by georgep 2008-01-30 07:15AM | 0 recs
you are so much nicer than I am

*    Both Obama and Edwards refused to take money from Federal lobbyists; Hillary took all the cash she could get from the lobbyists.
  •    Both Obama and Edwards believe that the lobbyists are a great problem in Washington and must be challenged if real progress is to occur for the benefit of the real American people. Hillary believes that lobbyists actually represent the best interest of Americans at all time.
  •    Both Obama and Edwards believe in standing up for the common people and fighting the establishment to obtain a fair share for the poor.  

when I read crap like this it makes me embarrassed to be a liberal.

by MollieBradford 2008-01-30 07:17AM | 0 recs
Re: you are so much nicer than I am

Clinton is an establishment candidate, but frankly, Obama hasn't actually done anything besides talk on the campaign trail to convince me that he won't just be another "go along to get along" candidate - while what little record he put together in the Senate sure seemed like that was exactly where he was going.

Similarly, he has WAY too much talk about "bipartisanship."

As an Edwards supporter, they both turn me off.  Either one will have my vote in November (heck, I'm in a very Blue state, so they know that already), but they've each got less than a week to convince me that Edwards shouldn't still get my vote come next Tuesday.

by nkedel 2008-01-30 10:23AM | 0 recs
what do I think?

I think you are either clueless or just making shit up about Clinton....or both.

Wait and see on Super Tuesday where those votes go.

by MollieBradford 2008-01-30 07:15AM | 0 recs
Don't be so sure

Edwards supporters on liberal blogs will go to Obama pretty clearly I think because of issues like lobbyists and being against the insider candidate, but those are just a faction of his supporters. Many Edwards supporters are actually more moderate white democrats that connect with his populist message, and those people could go to Hillary. To most mainstream Democrats Hillary is as much of a true Democrat as Obama if not more so.

I think many supporters of Edwards will strugle to decide which one to go to, and assuming most go to Obama is short sighted. In the end I could say a third going to Hillary, a third to Obama, and a third just not voting, but that's just a hunch.

by Christopher Lib 2008-01-30 07:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Edwards Supporters Would Follow Obama

I'm sure there will be plenty of Edwards supporters moving to Obama.  We're a diverse bunch.

But one of the reasons we were for Edwards and not Obama is that "change" is not just a slogan to us.  We're not like "Edwards is for change, Obama is for change too, let's go!"

One of the arguments John Edwards focused on, most notably in the New Hampshire debate, is HOW you make change happen.  There are entrenched interests who will oppose you, and as Edwards said, "you cannot nice them to death."

I think what Edwards supporters would like to see from Obama is a little less kumbaya and a little more recognition that once he is elected President, there are forces out there who will oppose him and will simply have to be beaten.  Obama has a lot of positive things to offer, but I don't think the happy talk sits well with most Edwards supporters.  You can preach an inclusive message of unity, but changing this country is going to be a fight no matter how you slice it.

by Steve M 2008-01-30 07:22AM | 0 recs

"Happy talk" as you put it, perhaps inelegantly, not only fails to appeal but turns off this Edwards voter.

It is not a lack of comity that is the cause of the grinding poverty and repression I see every day in Detroit.

by Trond Jacobsen 2008-01-30 07:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Exactly

Trond, did you see the diary about Detroit I wrote the other day?

by Steve M 2008-01-30 07:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Exactly

I did read your diary and very much enjoyed it.

I love Detroit, though I lack your personal experience in metro area, having moved here for school from out West.  I am researching the 65-75 history of anti-war and radical black politics in Detroit using the amazing archival materials at the Reuther Library at WSU.  They even have recordings of interviews of Elizabeth Gurley Flynn and Emma Goldman, for goodness sake!

Hope you are right about the changes you describe.  I have no doubt racial polarization has receded before the inexorable forces of immigration and demographic changes since the late 70s and 80s.  Still, it is far from dead and one still hears it (indirectly) in conversations, read it between the lines in the newspapers, and sees it in the reality of continuing segregation, on the order or 90-10 and 10-90.  Then there is DeVosland on the west side.

I am confident either Obama or Clinton will win Michigan (maybe Romney tests Obama).

by Trond Jacobsen 2008-01-30 04:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Edwards Supporters Would

This is a joke. Edwards supporters, for the most part, chose Edwards based on his progressive policy proposals. I know that if Edwards isn't on the ballot in Pennsylvania, I won't vote for either of these clowns. And come November, I'll hold my nose and pull the big democratic lever inspite of who happens to be at the top of the ticket.

Dems loose in November.

by jfoster 2008-01-30 07:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Edwards Supporters Would Follow Obama

Mudcat an Edwards adviser just say he will do whatever he can to stop him from endorsing Hillary. He believes the trade policies of the Clinton has hurt his people and he believes in the 22nd amendment. No three terms for the Clinton.

by Jr1886 2008-01-30 07:52AM | 0 recs
The Difference Edwards Out Makes
The debate between Obama and Clinton is going to be tremendously more significant now that there is no longer a third party to steal thunder from either one. Ultimately I think that favors Obama a lot more, as his attacks on Clinton will draw the undecided voters exclusively to him. I don't see the huge number of undecided voters going to Clinton, and now they will no longer be confusion among them as to who to support. People have already made up their minds about Clinton, for or against, as there is little about Clinton that has not been made public, often in very humiliating circumstances, but Obama is still not all that well known to people that are not political junkies. With the spotlight exclusively on Clinton and Obama, a lot of people are going to learn a lot about Obama, but there is really nothing more to learn about Clinton, and a lot of people don't like what they know about her.
With Edwards out but not endorsing anyone, I think his supporters will probably go 2 to 1 to Obama. If he endorses Obama, he supporters will probably go 3 to 1 to Obama. If he endorses Clinton I think he supporters will go 3 to 2 to Clinton.
Hillary Clinton will probably still win the nomination unless Edwards endorses Obama. But that is just my gut feeling, based on what I have heard from Edwards' supporters, I may be wrong.
by fetboy 2008-01-30 07:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Edwards Supporters Would Follow Obama

But a case could also be made-

Both Edwards and Clinton support "Universal Healthcare"- Obama does not have a "Universal Healthcare" plan.

Both did not believe in giving driver's licenses to illegals- Obama does.

I'm sure there are many things that could be pointed out.

by reasonwarrior 2008-01-30 07:58AM | 0 recs
In good conscience...I will support Hillary

I don't want a candidate that has made bi-partisanship the cornerstone of his argument.

by demwords 2008-01-30 08:48AM | 0 recs
Edwards bloggers here are not typical

By and large Edwards bloggers fit best the profile of Obama. Mostly young, excited about Iraq, NAFTA etc. Ergo most of you guys are going to join the Obamanauts I can see signs already. The problem for Obama is that you are not actually typical of his demographic which is basically regular democrats, white males, trade unionists, the struggling lower middle class. With some caveats notably over free trade and her relative unpopularity with men this is actually exactly Clintons demographic. I'm going to see what happens but my gut tells me at least two thirds of of these folks go to Clinton.  

by ottovbvs 2008-01-30 08:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Edwards SOn thupporters Would Follow Obama

I did find this column from Paul Krugman a couple of weeks ago interesting, and my attest to why some Edwards supporters will now choose Hillary:

From "Responding to Recession" By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: January 14, 2008

"On the Democratic side, John Edwards, although never the front-runner, has been driving his party's policy agenda. He's done it again on economic stimulus: last month, before the economic consensus turned as negative as it now has, he proposed a stimulus package including aid to unemployed workers, aid to cash-strapped state and local governments, public investment in alternative energy, and other measures.

"Last week Hillary Clinton offered a broadly similar but somewhat larger proposal. (It also includes aid to families having trouble paying heating bills, which seems like a clever way to put cash in the hands of people likely to spend it.) The Edwards and Clinton proposals both contain provisions for bigger stimulus if the economy worsens.

"And you have to say that Mrs. Clinton seems comfortable with and knowledgeable about economic policy. I'm sure the Hillary-haters will find some reason that's a bad thing, but there's something to be said for presidents who know what they're talking about.

"The Obama campaign's initial response to the latest wave of bad economic news was, I'm sorry to say, disreputable: Mr. Obama's top economic adviser claimed that the long-term tax-cut plan the candidate announced months ago is just what we need to keep the slump from "morphing into a drastic decline in consumer spending." Hmm: claiming that the candidate is all-seeing, and that a tax cut originally proposed for other reasons is also a recession-fighting measure -- doesn't that sound familiar?

"Anyway, on Sunday Mr. Obama came out with a real stimulus plan. As was the case with his health care plan, which fell short of universal coverage, his stimulus proposal is similar to those of the other Democratic candidates, but tilted to the right.

"For example, the Obama plan appears to contain none of the alternative energy initiatives that are in both the Edwards and Clinton proposals, and emphasizes across-the-board tax cuts over both aid to the hardest-hit families and help for state and local governments. I know that Mr. Obama's supporters hate to hear this, but he really is less progressive than his rivals on matters of domestic policy."

by NYNYNY 2008-01-30 08:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Edwards Supporters Would Follow Obama

A fair number of Obama folks online despise Hillary Clinton, and I think they tend to think that everyone else does too. Thus there were early calls for Edwards to drop out to unify the "anti-Hillary" vote.

There is more than a little projection going on here. Looking at exit polls, Democratic voters generally have very high opinions of all of our candidates. My guess is that the great majority of Edwards voters are not virulently anti-Clinton, as is probably also the case with the great majority of Obama voters.

by OrangeFur 2008-01-30 11:05AM | 0 recs


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