Thoughts on West Virginia primary and aftermath

     It has become increasingly clear that both the Obama campaign and the media are of the opinion that the Democratic race is over and that Hillary Clinton should simply drop her presidential bid for the sake of "party unity." Apparently fooled that an Obama victory in a state whose demographics heavily favored him (North Carolina with its large African American population) somehow coronated him the Democratic nominee, the Obama campaign has deftly manipulated the announcement of numerous endorsements (superdelegates, John Edwards, etc.) to give himself an "aura of inevitability" and force Clinton to withdraw from the race. Now that he (is of the opinion that he) does not need to win greater numbers of pledged delegates, his whole "platform" of every state counts (except of course for Florida and Michigan)has suddenly disappeared, with Obama entirely disregarding several of the remaining contests for the simple reason that they favor Clinton. By not campaigning in West Virginia, knowing full well that it would be almost impossible to win more than 30 % of the vote, he sufficiently lowered expectations and managed to convince the media the next day to converge on John Edward's endorsement. This quick fix, however, was not enough to quite conceal Senator Obama's glaring weakness among working class white democrats, a fact which will likely be further accentuated in Tuesday's Kentucky primary. I know that many of you credit Clinton's win in this state entirely to lingering racism, a somewhat plausible suggestion given that a former KKK member represents the state in the senate. However, does that give me free license to insult the people of the numerous states, such as Maryland, Virginia, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolin, North Carolina, etc., that Senator Obama won by relying almost entirely on the African American vote? I think not, so please extend the same courtesy to the voters in states that CLinton won, like West Virginia, Indiana, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. A forty-one point blowout after the "nominee" has been annointed simply cannot be explained away so easily and polls show (see surveyusa) that Clinton would win (or almost win)this state while Obama would be crushed, a similar scenario to other states like Arkansas,Florida, Kentucky, etc. I am sure that come Tuesday Hillary Clinton's  greater than thirty point margin of victory in Kentucky will be once again viewed as the "same old racial politics" by many including the media. However, Obama, the so called uniter, is only further dividing the country by ignoring (and by many accounts insulting) a crucial voting bloc in the general election. From my last diary, you may have known that I live in Florida. Here, many people perceive Obama to be an "empty suit," saying that he has not elaborated on any finite foreign policy plans (though of course McCain's plans are simply to remain mired in Iraq) and has failed to fully expiate the association with Reverend Wright. These people, many of them hard working Democrats, are not racist; rather, they feel that Obama's lofty rhetoric and opposition to the full seating of the Florida delegates merit the loss of their support in the G.E.
        Senator Obama loves to claim that he has put together a winning coalition for the G.E. that is comprised of wealthy, educated "latte liberals" and of course his inordinate African American retinue. This starts to become reminiscent of George McGovern's crushing defeat, a low point in the history of the Democratic party. The point, however, strikes home; Senator Obama will not be able to win in November without the support of Clinton's base and from his campaign's condescending drivel toward the Clintons, it is clear that he has no desire to earn their support. In an Obama McCain matchup, I think that Obama would lose the popular vote by a relatively narrow margin but lose the electoral vote by a significant number. (see 1992 election) It is for this reason that I hope Hillary CLinton takes her campaign to the convention so that the elaborate and sophisticated plans that she has proposed can take effect. In short, I trust Hillary, not Barack, to get the job done right. Call me a Republican troll, an idiot, a traitor, or any other wonderful names that I have not yet been called by Obama supporters, whose attitude toward dissent is starting to resemble a reemergence of fascism. However, I am first and foremost a Democrat, albeit one who positively abhors the empty rhetoric of Senator Obama, who cannot stand the "100 years in Iraq" and "strict constructionist justices" polices promoted by the likes of John McCain. This was supposed to be the election where we choose the better of two candidates, not the lesser of two evils. I am an avid supporter of my local Democratic party officials and would campaign for them in the November election. However, neither Obama NOR McCain is qualified to assume control of the Oval Office. Call me a divider, user of Rovian tactics, I do not care. I like many other Democrats, feel that we need someone that we can count on in the White house, someone with a proven track record, represents ALL democrats even the "racist" blue collar workers, and who is well versed in foreign policy. Regrettably, this person is not Senator Barack Hussein Obama. It is clearly Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Tags: anti, clinton, Democrat, obama, Primary, Virginia, Vote, west, WHITE (all tags)

Comments

115 Comments

Bug off

Too many attacks to take on one at a time. Just take this whole shtick somewhere else.

by Lost Thought 2008-05-16 06:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Bug off

Typical response to "dissenters": just go away!!!! Not going to happen in the GE!!!! Talk about delusional........

by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-16 06:49PM | 0 recs
Bug off

You're not a dissenter, you're a troll, and should be banned.

Just wanted to get that out of the way.

by Lost Thought 2008-05-16 06:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Bug off

you sanctimonious idiot. Just because I disagree with your narrow minded attitude towards a candidate does not give you license to insult me. BTW that strategy (voter intimidation) is sure to work well in November.

by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-16 06:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Bug off

Your entire diary is nothing more than opinion backed up without a single fact or source. For the kind of stuff you're spouting, that's past irresponsible and into either trolling or a compulsive need for the soapbox to put said opinions on a public pedestal.

by upstate girl 2008-05-16 07:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Bug off

so to voice disapproval with a democratic candidate is akin to insubordination and should be punished in kind? hmmmm, in what type of society is free speech inhibited? hmmmmmmmmmmmm....... Please go to the nytimes politics website; their results page has many interesting graphics that show how obama does SO much better in largely African American counties as well as other info.

by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-16 07:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Bug off

Cite some sources of authority please.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-16 07:16PM | 0 recs
You protest too much...

methinks..

by architek 2008-05-16 07:21PM | 0 recs
Re: You protest too much...

Hey, Arky. Quit feeding the troll.

by ragekage 2008-05-16 07:34PM | 0 recs
Re: You protest too much...

I think somebody else needs to be banned for unfounded accusations. I would just love to see you guess how old I really am and why my user name really is fitting.

by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-16 07:40PM | 0 recs
Re: You protest too much...

Nah. Not interested.

by ragekage 2008-05-16 07:46PM | 0 recs
Re: You protest too much...

Its obvious you feel ignored and disgusted. This whole thing is an internet meltdown cry for attention.

I feel for you, I do. But you're not helping Hillary, yourself, or anyone else.

by upstate girl 2008-05-16 07:51PM | 0 recs
Re: You protest too much...

same applies to you

by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-16 07:53PM | 0 recs
Re: You protest too much...

Again, you're just looking for a fight and you admit it. There's nothing even approaching positive with you. You'd rather both sides go down just so you can keep swinging. If you haven't noticed, Hillary's got her priorities in check - she's supporting the Democratic nominee.

by upstate girl 2008-05-16 08:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Bug off

You gave me a freaking one?

You, the author?  For asking you to cite some authority for your claims?

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-16 07:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Bug off

i GAVE sources, you self righteous antagonizer!!! (surveyusa, nytimes, etc. ) To link every single statement with an accompanying article is too much work to simply appease your desire to insult those who disagree with you. For that, it was necessary.

by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-16 07:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Bug off

To link every statement and article is part of what goes into making a diary. You are either to lazy or making things up to suit your talking points.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-16 07:34PM | 0 recs
Cite sources, please.

by itsadryheat 2008-05-16 10:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Bug off

Oh, that's hilarious. Keep it coming. Its just not worth linking to your sources? You don't even care enough about what you're talking about to "appease" people with some sort of proof you're not a ranting troll? You don't even care about the veneer of accuracy or logic, this diary is an excuse to fight and you just admitted it.

by upstate girl 2008-05-16 07:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Bug off

I have lost faith that I will EVER be able to convince ignorant and anctimonious people like you that I am not a Republican troll. Why should I waste my time trying to convince people like you of that simple truth? Again, if this were  a pro-Obama diary, it would probably not have been t rated so many times. You just cannot accept differing opinions and there lies the root of your problem.

by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-16 07:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Bug off

Differing opinions are absolutely fine.

Different facts are not.

You are entitled to the former, not the latter.  If your facts are correct then you can do some cursory Googling, or Lexis'ing if you prefer, to educate us.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-16 07:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Bug off

I don't know and don't care what your political affiliation is. You're a troll as in you're posting to start a fight. You don't care to back up your sources, you're fully contemptuous of the idea of even attempting to start out with an honest attempt at a dialog, you just want to rant in public, argue and insult people when they call you on it, and troll rate up and down the diary. You need a nap.

by upstate girl 2008-05-16 07:46PM | 0 recs
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So all of you troll rating every single one of my rebuttals is perfectly acceptable? If a disagreement concerning who the better candidate is is considered trolling, I guess nobody is innocent then. I understand that you support BHO and I support HRC; it doesn't mean that i am a troll. Furthermore, the initial insults came from team Obama in the comments if you would deign to check

by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-16 07:49PM | 0 recs
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The initial insult, sirrah, was calling us "latte liberals" and so forth.

STOP PUTTING US INTO THESE LITTLE GROUPS.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-16 07:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Bug off

that is not me, that is the media and many politcal analysts.....oh but di your heart desire specifics?

by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-16 07:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Bug off

You quoted it, without attribution, as if it was a meaningful distinction.

If you don't tell us whose words you are using, we will assume they are yours.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-16 07:55PM | 0 recs
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by Lost Thought 2008-05-16 07:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Bug off

I haven't troll rated you once. I can't.

You're also now trying to cast a complete meltdown diary made as an excuse to insult and troll rate people as a "disagreement". Sorry, you already admitted you're not interested in the alternative.

Oh, and never forget the handy parting shot of "he started it", like that excuses a grown person for acting like this. What kind of behavior is this to emulate? What do you expect when people call you out on it? Who's going to take you seriously when you admit you don't even care about it enough to take it seriously?

by upstate girl 2008-05-16 07:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Bug off

So, you're saying you can't be bothered to actually use some journalism skills and cite your sources?

by ragekage 2008-05-16 07:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Bug off

If you are making claims with which the bulk of your audience will disagree it is incumbent on you to cite sources of authority such that we are persuaded.

Either you are trying to convince us of something, or you aren't.

I'm not being a dick here, either.  If you want to editorialize, that's absolutely fine, but don't be shocked if it fails to change anyone's mind.

This isn't an Obama thing or a Clinton thing.  If you're going to spout of some things you could reasonably expect us to object to, back it up!

And if you honestly didn't forsee it, don't get all sanctimonious when we ask that of you.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-16 07:44PM | 0 recs
Do you know how to get to the nytimes:need help?

by itsadryheat 2008-05-16 10:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Bug off

I'm not doing your research for you. I love how "back up your statement" is now a violation of freedom of speech. You have no shame.

by upstate girl 2008-05-16 07:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Bug off

show me a link to where I said those exact words and maybe your claim would have some merit. Otherwise just keep your nasty thoughts to yourself.

by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-16 07:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Bug off

i GAVE sources, you self righteous antagonizer!!! (surveyusa, nytimes, etc. ) To link every single statement with an accompanying article is too much work to simply appease your desire to insult those who disagree with you. For that, it was necessary.

Do you have a memory problem? You don't understand how hyperlinking works? You're rattling off names of newspapers, not providing sources. And you write the entire concept off as "appeasement". You don't care about providing sources or backing up your statements, you just want to rant, argue with people, and troll rate them.

by upstate girl 2008-05-17 09:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Bug off

I am in West Virginia and Clinton's demographic. White, Female, Catholic, 55 years old, with a career, but I do have a college degree. She did not reach 50% here, and I went to the county convention back in April with my 26 year old daughter and was elected an Obama delegate to the state convention in June, as were 95% of the delegates for our county. The Democratic Party is a voluntary association and such can make its own rules. US voting rights laws to not apply, and Terry McM. was vigorously arguing with Sen.Levin back in 2004 about losing voting rights for the MI delegation if they moved the primary. I know that the Republicans control all in FL so you got squeezed, but if the rules were to be enforced by Terry in 2004 then they should be enforced in 2008.

Obama ran a better campaign, mastered the rules and managed the funds responsibly. When asked about experience, he said watch how he runs his campaign. He pivoted on Bush and McCain in the right way today over the remarks from the Knesset. We have Republicans, moderates, who have saw the light and joined the party the beginning of the year. The thirty-somethings at work are more involved and committed than any other cycle that I have observed.

I hold an elected position. While my mother's family is from WV since the early 1800's I did not graduate from the local high school since my father's job moved us west for a while. I am considered an outsider. Our mountains are scraped off for the energy needs of cities far away, and the distance I am from the state capitol almost makes us outsiders in the legislature. When JFK took the sate we had 8 electoral votes, now only 5. At least we had the good sense to vote out a Supreme Court justice in the pocket of Massey Coal.

The unspoken item is her vote on the war. This is why she lost. BYRD WAS CORRECT ABOUT THE WAR!!! I know Senator Byrd's past from 65 years ago. He defends the Constitution. And about one third of the registered Democrats voted for Bush in 200 and 2004 in WV.

by ttmiskovsky 2008-05-16 08:44PM | 0 recs
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I think you dropped a few of these.  Might want to put them back in.

by mistersite 2008-05-16 06:56PM | 0 recs
Holy wall of text

Built of straw men, falsehoods, and unsupported assumptions.

one example:

Senator Obama loves to claim that he has put together a winning coalition for the G.E. that is comprised of wealthy, educated "latte liberals" and of course his inordinate African American retinue.

by JJE 2008-05-16 06:56PM | 0 recs
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Did the person who wrote this diary not see that Hillary has not gotten one mention in the media in days?

The general election has already started. It's too late.

by Cheebs 2008-05-16 06:56PM | 0 recs
Really?

I see that you are the expert..

by architek 2008-05-16 07:23PM | 0 recs
Divider, Rovinator, etc.

Call me a divider, user of Rovian tactics, I do not care.

Of course you wouldn't care. A rose by any other name, and all that.

by Firewall 2008-05-16 06:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Divider, Rovinator, etc.

Again, for all the claims that Obama supporters are better "educated" than everyone else you appear exceedingly stupid in your retort.

by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-16 07:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Divider, Rovinator, etc.

And how intelligent are you to not realize the primary is over? 100% over.

by Cheebs 2008-05-16 07:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Divider, Rovinator, etc.

You know what, I think McCain should just stop campaigning now because with idiots like you on Obama's team, he is guarenteed to lose the G.E.

by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-16 07:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Divider, Rovinator, etc.

Ah, at least you've admitted the primaries are over, and Obama the nominee. Progress!

by Firewall 2008-05-16 07:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Divider, Rovinator, etc.

One step at a time! We've gone through the denial stage. Most seem to be at the anger stage now.

by Cheebs 2008-05-16 07:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Divider, Rovinator, etc.

Don't confuse this person with a Clinton supporter. They are simply a troll looking for trouble.

by Lost Thought 2008-05-16 07:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Divider, Rovinator, etc.

You really are hopeless. I think a visit to the nearest sanitorium is in order for you because anyone with your intolerance for opinions REALLY needs some help.

by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-16 07:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Divider, Rovinator, etc.

I know you are, but what am I??

by hootie4170 2008-05-16 07:24PM | 0 recs
I Think It's Plagiarism

to directly quote Peewee Herman without citing a reference.

by toyomama 2008-05-16 07:41PM | 0 recs
Re: I Think It's Plagiarism

Yes, I checked with Kate Turabian, it's definitely plagiarism.

by toyomama 2008-05-16 07:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Divider, Rovinator, etc.

retard

by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-16 07:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Divider, Rovinator, etc.

Waaaay over the line.  Not only is it a personal insult, but it's also extremely insensitive to the mentally disabled.  Please do not use "retard" as an insult.

by mistersite 2008-05-16 07:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Divider, Rovinator, etc.

by Lost Thought 2008-05-16 07:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Divider, Rovinator, etc.

The only person doing any insulting is you. Your entire diary is insults. How does that paint Clinton supporters?

by upstate girl 2008-05-16 07:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Divider, Rovinator, etc.

Well, at least you hit that nail on the head. Not all Obama supporters fit into your nice little stereotypes. How interesting you just refuted your own line of demagoguery.

by ragekage 2008-05-16 07:37PM | 0 recs
Formatting Queen to the rescue

Nice wall of text. It would be nice if people could read it, that might be easier if there was proper formatting.

by zcflint05 2008-05-16 07:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Thoughts on West Virginia primary and aftermat

This race isn't over. I agree that Hillary is the best candidate and I think the good people of OR and KY will confirm it on Tuesday. Go Hill!

by grlpatriot 2008-05-16 07:08PM | 0 recs
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If you are a real Clinton supporter, you can find many better diaries to express your pleasure than this pile of dung. You really don't want to hitch your horse to this wagon.

by Lost Thought 2008-05-16 07:11PM | 0 recs
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Hey beetle, actually, if you light a man on fire he gets burned.

by grlpatriot 2008-05-16 07:15PM | 0 recs
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:)

by Lost Thought 2008-05-16 07:16PM | 0 recs
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;)

by grlpatriot 2008-05-16 07:27PM | 0 recs
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Are we interrupting?

by futbol dad 2008-05-16 07:48PM | 0 recs
First step learn to write

Suggestion, if you would your stuff to be read I would strongly suggest you learn how to write, how to punctuate and paragraph.

by jsfox 2008-05-16 07:11PM | 0 recs
Re: First step learn to write

thanks for the advice but the same standards apply to your comments.

by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-16 07:13PM | 0 recs
Re: First step learn to write

Here's some mojo. Don't know why Lost Thought troll rated your response. Thinned skinned I guess.

by grlpatriot 2008-05-16 07:17PM | 0 recs
Re: First step learn to write

Lifetime achievement

by Lost Thought 2008-05-16 07:20PM | 0 recs
Because he is a dick

by lombard 2008-05-16 08:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Because he is a dick

Easy on the language.

by grlpatriot 2008-05-17 05:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Thoughts on West Virginia primary and aftermat

i agree wholeheartedly with the writer; hillary hasn't been in the press for days? it just proves the writer's point that the press would like this to be over, and obama supporters would like it to be over, but there are millions of others who know it is not over. hillary is working vigorously and quietly towards her goal.

by california voter 2008-05-16 07:14PM | 0 recs
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No, the press would rather it go on and on- they've been raking in the cash on that- but popular sentiment, I think, has turned on that note.

Besides, you'd be best served by working towards party unity. Why? Because if you really think your girl is gonna still win, you're gonna need that unity way more than if Obama gets the nomination. Or aren't you concerned about that?

by ragekage 2008-05-16 07:42PM | 0 recs
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Are you kidding?

There is NOTHING that the press would love more than a brokered convention.

by Angry White Democrat 2008-05-16 07:55PM | 0 recs
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Senator Obama loves to claim that he has put together a winning coalition for the G.E. that is comprised of wealthy, educated "latte liberals" and of course his inordinate African American retinue.

Where did he claim that?

by mattw 2008-05-16 07:16PM | 0 recs
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He repeatedly claims that his strength among young voters and blacks more than compensates for Hillary's core of DEMOCRATIC support. (actual, registerd democrats, not republicans as you obama supporters repeatedly claim without tangible proof)

by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-16 07:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Thoughts on West Virginia primary and aftermat

Then you should have no trouble linking to at least one instance of him saying such a thing.  Let's see it.

by mistersite 2008-05-16 07:20PM | 0 recs
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I don't think he has. Please post a citation, thanks.

by mattw 2008-05-16 07:27PM | 0 recs
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almost every speech the man makes contains some reference to his ability to "inspire" the populace!!! Too bad he has just alienated a large bloc of the Democratic party. good luck earning republican votes in the G.E.

by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-16 07:29PM | 0 recs
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This is rhetoric and demagoguery, nothing more. I give your troll a 1.75/10. Nothing even slightly creative here.

by ragekage 2008-05-16 07:43PM | 0 recs
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They do? Again, how about you post a cite?

Even if he did, you said:

He repeatedly claims that his strength among young voters and blacks more than compensates for Hillary's core of DEMOCRATIC support.

Saying you can inspire people is not the same as saying your strength among young and black voters means you don't need other democrats.

It's sort of like you're making stuff up.

by mattw 2008-05-16 10:20PM | 0 recs
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Dividing an electorate into social class is a GOP tactic that has ALWAYS, ALWAYS served to keep the poor poor and the rich rich. The fact that it is so successfully employed by a woman with $10 million - and $100 million of her husband's money - is a tribute not to its profundity but its sad history of effectiveness.

by terra 2008-05-16 07:18PM | 0 recs
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nice try.

but lets take a look at what several supers used for rationale in backing BO - oh, my children/grandchildren convinced me!

by canadian gal 2008-05-16 07:33PM | 0 recs
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You know this ignores the vast majority of supers who backed Obama based on policy or other considerations, so I won't bother bringing it up again, you don't care anyway.

But honestly, I'd rather be convinced by someone younger than me than threatened by someone questioning my feminist principles, and threatens every individual or organization that doesn't back their candidate.

by upstate girl 2008-05-16 07:37PM | 0 recs
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What does this have to do with my comment?

That "rich elite" thing is how GWB defeated Kerry and Gore.

by terra 2008-05-16 07:47PM | 0 recs
you said:

"Dividing an electorate into social class is a GOP tactic that has ALWAYS, ALWAYS served to keep the poor poor and the rich rich. The fact that it is so successfully employed by a woman with $10 million - and $100 million of her husband's money - is a tribute not to its profundity but its sad history of effectiveness."

my response was that these class or demographic voting blocs were trotted out first by BO.  and the example i gave illustrated this.

by canadian gal 2008-05-16 08:02PM | 0 recs
Ratings Abuse

Ease up on the troll rates. Disagreement doesn't = troll rating.

by grlpatriot 2008-05-16 07:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Ratings Abuse

thank you for recognizing this. many others on this site tend to disagree.

by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-16 07:25PM | 0 recs
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and you'll probably see those abusing their rating power lose privileges here - that being said - you many want to tone it down a bit.

by canadian gal 2008-05-16 07:34PM | 0 recs
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i know, its just hard not to retaliate when you see some of the things that people call each other on this site.

by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-16 07:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Ratings Abuse

And yet you just gave me a troll rating for a non-troll comment. Hypocrisy?

by terra 2008-05-16 07:47PM | 0 recs
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me???? not intended - where?

by canadian gal 2008-05-16 08:03PM | 0 recs
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This from the person who stated "supporters should get their head out of Obama's ass."

by hootie4170 2008-05-16 07:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Ratings Abuse

Disagreement is fine.  Just do it with some intellectual honesty.  I can't read minds, and I can't abide by insults.

You haven't done that, but the OP has.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-16 07:48PM | 0 recs
Please...

This person is not representative of most sane Hillary supporters. Please don't blame him on us. Probably some GOP troll sent here because Red State kicked him off because he got caught kissing Larry Craig...

by zcflint05 2008-05-16 07:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Please...

Don't worry. They're the most blatant they've ever been, and its just going to get worse. They're only going to alienate more and more reasonable people as they completely forget about Clinton and turn into full-time anti-Obama (and thus pro-McCain). She doesn't deserve to have these people holding her up as their rallying cry.

by upstate girl 2008-05-16 07:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Please...

That was not only vulgar but also completely unnecessary. Why? Just some pathological need to denigrate those around you? Just more detritus from BHO supporters

by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-16 07:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Please...

You might want to go and read my signature before you start prattling on about "BHO supporters".

PS--Referring to him as "BHO" is pretty telling to me.

by zcflint05 2008-05-16 07:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Please...
  1. That insult was totally vulgar you have to agree.
  2. if i don't like typing out the whole name (and use HRC as well) that means I am a Republican troll? I see your logic now...........not
by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-16 07:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Please...

Actually, if you're so worried about word economy, why did you use "Barack Hussien Obama" in your orginal post? You know what the point of using his full name is, and you are a freeper. Go back to freeperville.

by zcflint05 2008-05-16 07:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Please...

If you have ever taken even a slightly advanced English class, it is called parallelism. A middle name for one means a middle name for the other, regardless of your baseless accusations that I am a troll.

by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-16 08:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Please...

Her middle name is not "Rodham."

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-16 08:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Please...

And if you read my other comments, you would know that I am perfectly aware of that fact.

by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-17 04:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Please...

Why are you so mad?

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-16 07:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Thoughts on West Virginia primary and aftermat

Hmm. I think only one thing needs to be said here.

by ragekage 2008-05-16 07:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Thoughts on West Virginia primary and aftermat

Come on. Do we really need this? This is way over the line if you are trying to demean fellow democrats. In my diary I simply put my personal thoughts on the WV primary and BO's deft manipulation of it. Please somebody remove this picture

by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-16 07:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Thoughts on West Virginia primary and aftermat

We sure do. Sorry. Evidenced by lines like:

thoughts on the WV primary and BO's deft manipulation of it

by ragekage 2008-05-16 08:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Thoughts on West Virginia primary and aftermat

by Lost Thought 2008-05-16 07:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Thoughts on West Virginia primary and aftermat

Aww they're so cute!

by zcflint05 2008-05-16 07:58PM | 0 recs
TROLL

Whenever someone refers to Barack as "Barack Hussien Obama" it means they are 1 of 2 things---a Hillis44'er, or a Redstater.

Neither are good things. lulz

by zcflint05 2008-05-16 07:52PM | 0 recs
Re: TROLL

And you say that Hillary supporters make a big deal out of his middle name. I could not care less but if I use HRC for Hillary, why can't I use BHO for Barack?

by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-16 07:59PM | 0 recs
Re: TROLL

...because her middle name isn't Rodham?

by upstate girl 2008-05-16 08:05PM | 0 recs
Re: TROLL

look, i am really not looking for a fight. Yes I know on her tax returns her last name is Rodham-Clinton but is common to use Rodham as the middle name. If you think I like being abused here and as some might put it "splitting the party,' then you have it all wrong. Lets just stop calling each other out on technicalities; i know i am guilty of it and so are others.

by Ignored and Disgusted 2008-05-16 08:11PM | 0 recs
Please explain..

Senator Obama will not be able to win in November without the support of Clinton's base and from his campaign's condescending drivel toward the Clintons, it is clear that he has no desire to earn their support.

"No desire to earn their support" please cite a quote as to when he has said this.

(Obama)managed to convince the media the next day to converge on John Edward's endorsement.

Oh really, it had nothing to do with the fact that Clinton and Obama were publicly campaigning for his endorsement?

However, Obama, the so called uniter, is only further dividing the country by ignoring (and by many accounts insulting) a crucial voting bloc in the general election.

OK this is the second time in the diary you stated this, again I ask for a link to a quote where Obama has said this.

Senator Obama will not be able to win in November without the support of Clinton's base and from his campaign's condescending drivel toward the Clintons, it is clear that he has no desire to earn their support.

Third time and still no quote or link, hmmmmm...

This was supposed to be the election where we choose the better of two candidates, not the lesser of two evils.

Now Obama is "evil"....

Regrettably, this person is not Senator Barack Hussein Obama.

And to top it off you have to include his middle name...

by hootie4170 2008-05-16 08:24PM | 0 recs
All my TR ratings for the diarist are for his...

wholly unfair attacks on commenters.  The diarist has referred to a commenter as an "idiot," another is referred to as a "retard," and another is a "sanctimonious ass."  There was no call for these comments when the diarist is only asked for evidence to support his/her claims.

by nklein 2008-05-16 09:16PM | 0 recs
Re: All my TR ratings for the diarist

How is it that this diarist has the ability to rec and rate, while so many reasonable, well adjusted people around here have had their privileges stripped?

by awobbly 2008-05-16 10:13PM | 0 recs
Couldn't tell you...blogs are funny that way n/t

by nklein 2008-05-17 08:07AM | 0 recs
Self-indulgence

I just watched the Dylan flick "I'm Not There" and I couldn't help but think this diarist was one of Dylan's personas. Really odd how this primary has gone. I don't think there was a shred of honesty in this whole rant, beautiful prose that it was.

Or Mr. Jones maybe. Judger of true authenticity. Real men in Mingo County, WV. Descendants of the Matewan battle, and the Hatfield and McCoys. Too bad for the diarist I live in Appalachia and I know these folks. Obama's failure is not coming to visit and getting to know people. Oh, and change around here means backsliding. Clinton represents just as false a hope of restoration to the 1990s - or the 1950s - as Obama's lofty vision of the future.

But to you the white manly ideal of Mingo County is the real core of the Democratic Party. I'm sure she'll run up similar numbers in Pike, Harlan and Breathitt County, KY. And those voters won't count for a dime more than the black voters in Claiborne County, Mississippi.

Welcome to the Democratic Party. It's not just blue-collar whites anymore. It hasn't been in a long time. But keep on musing.

by elrod 2008-05-16 09:19PM | 0 recs

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