Time Wasted

What a pathetic diary to be enshrined into the top spot here at Mydd.  Some people just can't let it go or just don't have other measures to unleash their inner anger of the Clintons.  They seem hell bent in devoting much of their energy on the every action or non-action of the Clinton's and attempting to lay blame on an imagined monolithic group known as "Hillary Supporters".

One just imagines how much energy is wasted during these rants.  Time that could be dedicated to wage an Anti-McCain campaign, time that could be used in promoting Obama's platform or time dedicated to the some of struggling Democrats running for congress.  What a waste.

Reality check.  The primaries are over.

Hillary Clinton is her own person, and made one hell of a run at the nomination.  She is an icon for the Democratic Party and will continue to be for many years.  She has loyal supporters, most have stated their support for Obama for the greater good of the party and the average American citizen.  HRC has done all that has been asked of her, and has done a mighty fine job considering the emotional and closely contested primary.  I will respect her and her supporters, because I could have easily been in their shoes.

As for the ones who won't make the jump.  It is their decision.

As for the aforementioned diary regarding Hillary and disrupting the convention, I have some views...

I don't know who's driving this rumour bus, but it sure as hell isn't Hilary Clinton.

I would argue that you might not be driving the bus but you're on board giving directions.

After all, there aren't any REAL stories to cover.

Yes there are...Why aren't you writing about them instead?

On another note: I am so fucking sick of the "Hillary was victimised by gender bias" meme I could puke.

Wow, and what rock did you crawl out from under?  Take the blinders off, sweetie...and do you kiss your kids with that mouth?

After February, she was toast. Stick a fork in her (and that is NOT a goddamned misogynist violence against women expression get over it), she'd have been better off quitting, end of story.

Yeah, that's what I would like to see in a person who is fighting for the ordinary American.  A person who wants Universial Healthcare, who wants to fight for the rights of women, minorities and the GLBT community, who cares about every single child in this country, who hates the GOP with every ounce of her being...Yeah just quit, when times get tough and give up.

She showed some true grit and wasn't going to give up on her vision of a fair America for everyone.  I'll take a hundred of her over a quitter.

Next time, try and use your time more wisely.

Tags: Barack Obama, Democratic Convention, Hillary Clinton, time management (all tags)



honestly hootie.

this sounds ridonkulous.  but you made me cry.  thank you for this diary.

by canadian gal 2008-08-07 11:38PM | 0 recs
Re: honestly hootie.

I'm my sister's keeper....

by hootie4170 2008-08-08 12:47AM | 0 recs
Re: honestly hootie.

Democrats are pretty united right now, but we'd be more united if Clinton hadn't insisted on going on after there was no mathematical chance of her getting the nomination.  It created a lot of bad feelings, ran up tons of debt, and we're still dealing with the fallout.

by politicsmatters 2008-08-08 05:40AM | 0 recs
maybe, maybe not

WV had a great local story running about an Obama volunteer who had car trouble and was kinda concerned about what would happen to a black woman way out in the boonies. 'Course, the locals were helpful folk.

It's optics like that -- people taking pride in doin' good, even if you aren't gonna vote for someone...

It's people signing up to vote for Obama, even if they don't really think much of most Democrats.

I don't know. I really don't. But there's an argument that Hillary started a spirited debate -- and that Obama helped raise the consciousness of people that they too could have a handle on the events.

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-08-08 06:54AM | 0 recs
You're an idiot catfish

Obama was president of the law review.  Of course he edited articles.  He was the one responsible for giving the final OK.  Have you ever been a member of any law review?  You seem completely clueless as to how they work.

by JJE 2008-08-08 11:25AM | 0 recs
Re: People have a right to compete

Who would exactly say he had no right to compete?  You?

by Jess81 2008-08-08 02:01PM | 0 recs
Thanks, hootie...

For looking out for us. Oh yes, and thanks for an actually constructive diary. :-)

by atdleft 2008-08-08 06:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Time Wasted

Yeah.  That other diary was REALLY helpful.  

As an Obama supporter, I can't tell you how much fun that was to watch again.

Rip the ole scab off.  That's the ticket!

by snark adam excuse 2008-08-07 11:48PM | 0 recs
hey i like your username...

by canadian gal 2008-08-07 11:53PM | 0 recs
Re: hey i like your username...

I like your's sweetie!  ;-)

Just hanging about.  What's your story?

by snark adam excuse 2008-08-08 12:00AM | 0 recs

actually going to bed - its been quite a night here. ;)

by canadian gal 2008-08-08 12:06AM | 0 recs
Re: chilling.

See ya' later Alligator.

Hootie!  Sorry for going OT with CG.

by snark adam excuse 2008-08-08 06:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Time Wasted

do keep in mind it was in responce to all the other time wasting ones claiming that disrupting the convention was her dastardly plan all along and how evil she is and so on. so really if you and hootie want to castigate someone(s) it should be those diarists not the one who posted the one you object to. but of course we can expect this kind of short-sighted bigoted behavior from hooties past postings, but do you want to start out that way?

by zerosumgame 2008-08-08 08:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Time Wasted

A better use of that wasted time would be to read the Democratic Party Platform. This is the stuff that should actually matter to Democrats.

Check out the diary with a link to it here:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/8/8/25216 /58617

by LakersFan 2008-08-07 11:51PM | 0 recs
how about these too:

Breaking Young Hearts


More of the Same, Packaged as Change


We're protesting at the democratic convention

by suzieg 2008-08-08 02:31AM | 0 recs
Re: how about these too:

I know, I'm totally looking forward to it.  

I thought of infiltrating it - I'd show up in a gorilla suit with a sign saying "Don't monkey with our party!" which at close glance would make sense, but in passing all people would see is a someone in a gorilla suit.  Standing next to Larry Sinclair.  Next to his skirt wearing lawyer.

And then I realized how redundant I would be.

by Jess81 2008-08-08 02:05PM | 0 recs
Hootie, you're wonderful...

And utterly brilliant. Thank you.

by sricki 2008-08-08 12:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Hootie, you're wonderful...

aw, shucks....

by hootie4170 2008-08-08 12:37AM | 0 recs
You deserve it, hootie...

Great work! :-)

by atdleft 2008-08-08 06:03AM | 0 recs
Re: You deserve it, hootie...

Yep, time wasted is exactly what that trash was.  I didn't even bother wading into the comment because I have better things to do.  It's too bad that otherwise talented writers waste their gifts regurgitating instead of moving us forward.

by Denny Crane 2008-08-08 06:45AM | 0 recs
At least she posted a

pretty good picture of HRC.  That diary was just nuts.

It's kind of sad that McCain was the only one to give a public townhall today and two non-candidates crushed him for media coverage.  Some will say it's a bad thing that McCain is fairly irrelevant as to whether Obama becomes president, but I happen to believe otherwise.

by Blazers Edge 2008-08-08 12:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Time Wasted

Hear hear, well said.

by Drewid 2008-08-08 12:54AM | 0 recs
Another meta-diary,

this one complaining about a diary that was construed as anti-Hillary rather than anti-misogyny-meme.  You can complain about Maryscott's language (it's always been like that, and mine's no better, as you know), but many of us feel the same way about the way the misogyny argument has kept coming up in diaries by some of the posters here as a means of keeping the primary season melodrama alive.  

Wouldn't it be better if instead of talking so much about Hillary as such a victim, we could focus on victory in November?  Maryscott's diary may have continued that discussion, and in that sense was unnecessary, but it only continued the same on-going dialogue that we have had a lot of here.

You know, I posted a long, heart-felt post in a previous meta-diary explaining why I was disgusted with some of the diaries making the rec list, and how I was trying hard to restrain myself from jumping in and writing my own diaries.  So here comes MaryScott, who doesn't realize how vicious things have become here (how many GBCW diaries do we need to notice that?) and she jumps in with the same kind of material, and WHOA!  The same people that have been calling for freedom of speech for dissidents against Obama (trolls like Catfish) are suddenly outraged!  

So, I can't say I'm impressed with your outrage.  We all should have moved on a long time ago.  I think tonight, with the news of Obama's dramatic sudden concession to Bill, (the same man who can't  bring himself to say Obama is ready to be president), the post-Hillary partisans have been particularly feisty and hostile.

by Dumbo 2008-08-08 02:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Another meta-diary,

Hey people are entitled to their own opinions, but to be so ignorant as to imply that there was no misogyny or sexism involved in the primary is a blatant mistruth.  And this coming from a staunch Obama supporter.

Was it the sole reason she lost?  Absolutely not, but to sweep it under the rug does this country no good in it's journey to a more perfect union.

Should we discount racism or homophobia as well?

All I'm saying is her diary is very divisive and continues the "pokes" at Clinton supporters.  And why?  Obama has won, why continually relive and rub salt in the wound?

On top of that she bitches at the people who are spreading this rumor about Clinton, but fails to recognize that people such as her posting diaries on the subject gives it legs.

It was a piss poor diary....

by hootie4170 2008-08-08 02:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Another meta-diary,

Exactly, well said again. Dangit I need to get a puter, posting from my phone is giving me a wicked case of carple tunnle.

by Drewid 2008-08-08 02:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Another meta-diary,

but to be so ignorant as to imply that there was no misogyny or sexism involved in the primary is a blatant mistruth.  And this coming from a staunch Obama supporter.

I just went and reread the part of her diary that is in question.  It would be an extreme position to take that there was no misogyny or sexism involved in this primary.  That's not her contention.  her point was (and I kind of hate having to deconstruct things like this, but, whatever...) that hillary did not lose because of bias because she was running against a black man who suffers more from bias than she.  That seems a reasonable position to take and argue.

But only a couple of days ago, didn't we have a diary that made the rec list ("Bill Clinton is a racist") that became the focus of a pie-fight over over whether Bill Clinton was unfairly maligned for race-baiting during the primary.  And from there it wandered all over the place, much of it a condemnation of Obama.  And that diary was HARDLY an isolated instance.  There have been many diaries on here that accused Obama and his campaign of pursuing a racist strategy.  Some of them have made it to the rec list.

So, is tit for tat fair?  No, I don't think so.  I would prefer there was none of this.  But my (and others) complaints and calls to move on from the primary and to stop filling the rec list with old battles like this get little support from the people who rec those diaries.

Maybe there are some topics arising from the past primary season that are so sensitive that we should avoid them until after the election.  Is that such a bad idea?  When that gets better reception, I might be more receptive to your complaints about Maryscott O'Connor.

It certainly doesn't help the real candidate of this election (Obama) to have people defending the Clintons in a manner that works to Obama's detriment or to the detriment of his supporters or those in the media that supported him.

by Dumbo 2008-08-08 03:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Another meta-diary,

Do you blame MSOC, even a little bit, for posting something that was guarranteed to start a flame war?

I'm a big Obama supporter, but I'd never insite the troops like that.

She did it on purpose, so I judge her motives, not the content of her diary.

by snark adam excuse 2008-08-08 08:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Another meta-diary,

Im not exactly a post Hillary partisan. Fact is Ive been an Obama backer for over a year now, and I think that other diary was unnecesary. My opinion is dude we won, no reason to rub anyones knoes in it. That even goes for silly puma types like catfish that still think they can get  HRC the nomination.

by Drewid 2008-08-08 02:48AM | 0 recs

Weren't you just decrying divisive diaries yesterday? And now you're recommending them. So very disappointed, Dumbo.

As for free speech, her diary has every right to be there. I didn't comment in it, but from what I understand, people were upset because it was completely unproductive. That diary you rec'd vs. zc's diary I rec'd. Which was really more abrasive?

by sricki 2008-08-08 03:05AM | 0 recs
Read my comment above.

by Dumbo 2008-08-08 03:12AM | 0 recs
I can only think...

Of one word to sum it up:

Weren't you just decrying divisive diaries yesterday? And now you're recommending them. So very disappointed, Dumbo.


by atdleft 2008-08-08 05:59AM | 0 recs
well written..rec'ed..thanks for the diary..

by louisprandtl 2008-08-08 03:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Time Wasted

Excuse me, but why is Hillary held to a different standard than MEN who sought the Democratic nomination and lost it--yet went to the convention and had their name in nomination and had the roll call vote as per usual? I cite you Jesse and Henry Jackson, Ted Kennedy (against a sitting president), Bradley (he certainly didn't bow out gracefully in 2000).  Why is HRC (who got more votes than Obama held to a different standard? Because the media HATES her and sees her as a "bitch" standing in the way of the righteous black man who realistically and finally has a chance to become president--that's why.  How dare she allow her delegates to vote for her. How dare she allow the 18 million of us who supported her have a voice, how dare she stand in the way of the media darling TO THIS DAY--want proof-check out MSNBC 24/7.  How dare she even think of being on the ticket too.

by handsomegent 2008-08-08 06:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Time Wasted

Oooh, easy question! She isn't. There will be a role-call vote at the convention just like any other. There never were any plans to do otherwise.

So sorry that someone sold you a bill of phony info!

by X Stryker 2008-08-08 09:01AM | 0 recs
You know,

I do understand why a few like El Pestado take Hillary's loss personally - to the point that they're beyond reason. I haven't the faintest idea why you would, though - Enlighten us?

by Sumo Vita 2008-08-08 10:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Time Wasted

Rec'd hootie mon and cleaned up the troll droppings as well!

by spacemanspiff 2008-08-08 06:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Time Wasted

HeY SpLiff,

You smell like WC.

Not it!

by snark adam excuse 2008-08-08 06:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Time Wasted

Guess I'll be showering with bleach again tonight. ; )

by spacemanspiff 2008-08-08 07:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Time Wasted

Do you think Hootie will mind if we play in his diary for a while?

by snark adam excuse 2008-08-08 08:52AM | 0 recs
Oh, GAWD, what claptrap

She didn't have more votes. She didn't. Period. This has been de-bunked so many times, it's stopped being ironically funny.

No one was challenging her candidacy in court. No one was demanding her birth certificate. NO ONE said ONE WORD about her church, her pastor, or her religious beliefs. No one told her she wasn't invited to a debate (unlike Nader, Paul, and Gravel). No one said "Girls can't be commander-in-chief." In fact, other candidates - and the other party - took her VERY seriously or they wouldn't have fought so hard against her.

I'll go you one better. She was treated better than Harriet Miers. When Miers was suggested as a SCOTUS pick - all outrageousness aside - what do you think the media talked about? Her qualifications, or even the lack of them? No. They spent days reporting about changes to her make-up, her hairstyle, and her choice of wardrobe. However you feel about Miers personally or her qualifications to be SCOTUS, neither Roberts nor Alito were scrutinized for their haircuts or choice of tie.

And how many women spoke out about that? ZERO. But crying sexism seems to be a selective practice and I for one believe it's wrong ALL the time, not just when it's my side of aisle.

by Its All So Goofy 2008-08-08 06:53AM | 0 recs
Harriet Meirs? You're kidding, right...

Actually, people DID talk about that pastor she and a lot of pols seminar with.

It was just as dumb as the MONTHS of thrashing here about Rev Wright...

Oh and, I have seen some strange comparison, and I know you were making a point...

But, Harriet Meirs?  My god, she was the poster child for unqualified Sychopants everwhere.

Not only was Hillary Clinton NOT, she also would have made a much better USSC associate then Bush's 4th Wife in training, Harriet M.

by WashStateBlue 2008-08-08 07:10AM | 0 recs
Re: So crying racism is OK



by venician 2008-08-08 09:42AM | 0 recs
Re: So crying racism is OK

Yeah, we know it's ole fishbreath.

by snark adam excuse 2008-08-08 09:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Time Wasted

BTW Hootie, phantom rec for ya'

by snark adam excuse 2008-08-08 07:07AM | 0 recs
So, you wrote a diary about

my time wasting diary...

by Maryscott OConnor 2008-08-08 08:32AM | 0 recs
Re: So, you wrote a diary about

Gets confusing doesn't it.  Think of it like an Onion.

by snark adam excuse 2008-08-08 08:57AM | 0 recs
Time well spent.

by Maryscott OConnor 2008-08-08 08:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Time well spent.

Wax on...Wax off

by hootie4170 2008-08-08 02:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Time well spent.

Wax on...Wax off

Hootie,  I never understood the logic of that, (notwithstanding my deep admiration for Pat Morita).

by snark adam excuse 2008-08-08 03:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Time Wasted

"One just imagines how much energy is wasted during these rants."

Maybe it's catharsis...  ;-)

by Liberal Monk 2008-08-08 08:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Time Wasted

Maybe it's catharsis...  ;-)

If by "catharsis," you mean pointless bloodbath, then I agree with you.

There are a lot of people here that have the self-restraint of a Bonobo in heat.

by snark adam excuse 2008-08-08 10:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Time Wasted

Then I guess we aren't in agreement. I think it's just the diarist releasing some anger and frustration.

I don't know much about Bonobos in estrus, but it appears that your comparison is intended to be an insult. So maybe that's your form of catharsis.

by Liberal Monk 2008-08-08 10:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Time Wasted

Sorry.  Not meant as an insult at all.

I muddled a point that was much larger than this diary.  My comment was directed to the recent flamewars that have reignited.

They are so damn pointless.  And it just makes everyone polarized again.

I consider it a self-indulgence by the diarists, who are providing fertile ground for the fight to start up again, pure and simple.

by snark adam excuse 2008-08-08 10:41AM | 0 recs
I have to agree with you there.

And I must admit that it was self-indulgent for me to recommend the other diary.

I agree that it would be great if we could actually achieve a truce, but it feels to me like one side was made to disarm and the other side keeps on firing. I usually stay away from the fight and will try to behave from here out. :-)

by Liberal Monk 2008-08-08 12:06PM | 0 recs
Re: I have to agree with you there.


I've always liked your comments, so I wanted to make sure that you didn't misinterpret my mangled language.

I'd give you mojo if I could.  Give me a week.  I'll pay you back.



by snark adam excuse 2008-08-08 12:51PM | 0 recs
Re: I have to agree with you there.

No, it was my bad. After I re-read my own comment, I realized I hadn't been very clear. I just meant that I understood insult was intended for those "in heat," not necessarily me or anyone in particular. You + me = all good.

(Also, hope you don't mind that I figured out who you are, but I also will maintain silence.)

by Liberal Monk 2008-08-08 01:02PM | 0 recs
Re: I have to agree with you there.

Thank you  ;-)

by snark adam excuse 2008-08-08 03:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Time Wasted

Thanks Hootie, my thoughts exactly, except I 'd even go further and say it was an excuse to release disgusting vitriol and racist words under the guise of defending Obama.  That diary was disgusting and it should be deleted.  You can tell when its a troll diary, the histrionics, hyperbole, and abundant use of curse words makes the diarists outrage just a little too faux, in my opinion.  

by KLRinLA 2008-08-08 08:49AM | 0 recs
More Time Wasted

The other diary was awful and I told them so, but this just makes the issue take two spots on the rec list instead of one. This should have been a comment, not a diary, and the last time we had people responding to diaries with diaries instead of comments was the Prayer-gate battle. I hope we can agree that that wasn't productive.

I'm with you here, but this was a waste of space and will at best do nothing. At worst, you're stoking the fires.

by warmwaterpenguin 2008-08-08 09:40AM | 0 recs
Re: More Time Wasted

Hey!  I wonder how hard it would be to write a diary that would get everyone fighting again?

It takes much less thought than writing about something real, or important.

Monkeys at keyboards.  This is what the mighty MyDD has come to.

by snark adam excuse 2008-08-08 10:04AM | 0 recs
Re: More Time Wasted

P.S.  I'd give you mojo, but I can't right now.  I'm all out.



by snark adam excuse 2008-08-08 10:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Time Wasted

Thank you for respecting Hillary's Supporters (like me) and for writing something actually intelligent and reasoned. This place has become a less popular version of the DKOS vacuum.

by apolitik 2008-08-08 10:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Time Wasted

The lingering acrimony puzzles me. I would have been happy with any nominee from the Democratic array. Each brings something of value to the table.

The GOP is spinning out of orbit and in some way W's autistic attempt to expand the scope of the executive has paradoxically diminished it, particularly in the international arena but also in the realm of sound stewardship of the economy as referee of excess.

And it is also of some interest to me to see people such as Gore, Jimmy Carter and others find valuable ways to have impacts without the hindrance of elected office.

Ms Clinton, Mr. Edwards and all the others have valuable contributions to make and occasions to rise to as we all deal with the aftermath of 8 years of pillage, looting and damage as well as neglect of problems that have only gotten exponentially worse.

To be overly anguished by a particular contenders loss seems to me to give them short shrift for all the other potential they may realize in as yet unknown circumstances.

I believe deeply in the value of contribution potential in each one as the scope of the post Bush mess will want input in many arena's beyond this diminished and encumbered Executive office.

by chris rich 2008-08-08 01:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Time Wasted

the morons saying Hillary had no shot after February probably would have laughed if we told them that BHO would lose WV & KY by 30-40 points, and that Hillary would win the popular vote.  She had every right to stay in a race this close, I was sick of people trying to push her out before June 3rd and even more sick of these morons now.

by BlueDoggyDogg 2008-08-08 03:16PM | 0 recs


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