Clinton Supporters Enough of the Pastor problem

You told us that gotcha politics were wrong on Hillary Clinton when it came to her comments on RFK now STOP IT!. If this is wrong.

Enough of this. 2008/05/clinton-campa-1.html

Wolfson says: "Divisive and hateful language like that is totally counterproductive in our efforts to bring our party together and have no place at the pulpit or in our politics.  We are disappointed that Senator Obama didn't specifically reject Father's Pflegler's despicable comments about Senator Clinton, and assume he will do so."

Howard Wolfson YOU ARE WRONG and you should not be pushing this story. NO Clinton supporter should be pushing this story after asking Obama supporters to give the Benefit of the doubt. STOP IT  NOW.

Tags: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton (all tags)



Re: Clinton Supporters Enough of the Pastor proble

What do you expect.  People expect apologies from Obama for shit he never said.  The double standard is interesting.

by Sychotic1 2008-05-29 07:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton Supporters Enough of the Pastor proble

you got my respect for this one.  But good luck with the hate and division coming your way.  Just do what I do and get really drunk before you start reading the comments, it dulls the pain.

by Xris 2008-05-29 07:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton Supporters

Stop, stop.

The people pushing this on the forums here are two sets of people-

1) GOP trolls, and
2) Diehard deadenders

Notice, you haven't seen a real Clinton supporter show up to argue for these points? Sricki? VAAlex? Canadian Gal? Zclint? Rummarhazzit? Jarhead? SevenStrings? LDFan? Lombard? Et cetera. Nope, not a one. They've actually got, y'know... respect.

No, just the GOP trolls and the diehard deadenders, who really don't care about the party, country, et cetera- simply about getting their preferred candidate in the White House, and nothing else. I always chuckle when they hurl the "cultist" term around.

Ignore them, they hate that the most.

by ragekage 2008-05-29 07:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton Supporters

Exactly.  I think it was upstate girl that said she was going to stop calling the people pushing this crap Clinton Supporters.  They aren't. They are anti-Democrat or anti-Obama.

by map 2008-05-29 07:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton Supporters


Do you really want to sound like the dick boy?  ;)

by kevin22262 2008-05-29 07:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton Supporters


And sorry I didn't include you on that list there, you certainly belong on it (of reasonable Clinton supporters, I mean).

by ragekage 2008-05-29 07:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton Supporters

Don't you get it?

darth cheney used the deadenders term when talking about Iraq and the insurgents, etc.

remember?   :)

by kevin22262 2008-05-29 07:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton Supporters

No, actually, never heard that before. But I believe it.

by ragekage 2008-05-29 08:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton Supporters

"Deadenders" was also Donald Rumsfeld's mantra for a while. Of course, it turned out Rumsfeld was the deadender.

by catilinus 2008-05-29 08:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton Supporters Enough of the Pastor proble

What is your point?   how is this productive... why should we as obama supporters bother with this stuff.

Outcome is  not going to change, what's got into your pants or any other diarist pants that seem to think throwing fits at Hillary or her voters in this late day/time is helping us getting their voters to come over?

I bet the ones who are hardening are not the ones who write comments only , it's those who silently read them and see  red about how some of our side / supporters are still crying Hillary.  Let it go.. it won't make difference to the outcome so why not start acting and behaving to unite?

by aliveandkickin 2008-05-29 07:20PM | 0 recs
a wolf is sheep's clothing?

im confused. i cant tell, by your name, ,if you are really a Hillary supporter or just claiming to be one. if the case is the latter, then your psuedo-unity means very little.

Do tell.

by alyssa chaos 2008-05-29 07:21PM | 0 recs
Re: a wolf is sheep's clothing?

haha. sure allergy.

im allergic to YOU. man, you must be pretty bored to make a 'alegre' user name spoof.


by alyssa chaos 2008-05-29 07:23PM | 0 recs
its a parody troll.

and an annoying one at that.

by canadian gal 2008-05-29 07:24PM | 0 recs
Wright AND Flegger called out HILLARY

specifically, and Obama has yet to address that.

by catfish2 2008-05-29 07:26PM | 0 recs
Oh, give me a break

The only apology from Obama that would satisfy you is "I'm sorry I ever ran for President, so I'm ending my campaign and endorsing Clinton."

Short of that, Obama will always fail your eyes, no matter how apologetic and reasonable he is.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-29 07:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Wright AND Flegger called out HILLARY

Flegger<sp?> has a right to his own opinion.  Since when does Obama have to answer for everyone else's opinion?

And what's so controversial about saying that Clinton feels entitled to the nomination and is a bit incredulous that it's been taken by a black man?

Typical fare on SNL every weekend.  Big deal.

by Deadalus 2008-05-29 07:32PM | 0 recs
Well, the IRS is going to think it's a big deal.

How do you spell "lose your charitable exemption"?

by CoyoteCreek 2008-05-29 07:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Well, the IRS is going to think it's a big dea

You obviously don't practice tax law.

I know you claim to be a lawyer, but stick to your area of expertise.  

This is a far cry from advocation.

by Deadalus 2008-05-29 07:39PM | 0 recs
This is not the only time...

it's called cumulative effect.  And this one speech, combined with Rev. Wrong and the new minister makes one great tax case.  I wouldn't want to defend it.

by CoyoteCreek 2008-05-29 08:14PM | 0 recs
Re: This is not the only time...

Considering HRC's campaign is already toast, I doubt the IRS would care too much about the commentary.  It doesn't amount to anything resembling an endorsement of Obama.

You're obviously a bad lawyer.

by Deadalus 2008-05-29 08:30PM | 0 recs
Obama has a right to be silent

and Hillary's supporters have a right to not be racist yet still consider him a low low person for remaining silent.

Hillary supporters have a right to withold their votes because a sexist society that thrives under a Democratic president may be worse than President McCain.

by catfish2 2008-05-29 07:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama has a right to be silent

Well that's a stupid tangent to go on.

Considering that the SCOTUS is on the cusp of having a majority capable of overturning Roe, I'd think anyone concerned about real consequences of sexism would never enable McCain to take office.

If you're merely concerned with symbolic opposition to sexism, then fine, stay home or vote McBush into office.

Might be a while before we get the majority back on the court though.

by Deadalus 2008-05-29 07:47PM | 0 recs
At some point holding the uterus hostage

will not work anymore.

by catfish2 2008-05-30 01:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama has a right to be silent

Also,  your argument is stupid because both Plegler and Obama have apologized for these remarks.

Quit looking for an excuse to take your ball and go home.

Grow up.

by Deadalus 2008-05-29 07:48PM | 0 recs
OK - forget about my vote. I will vote Democrat.

I'm giving you a WINDOW into the minds of thousands of other voters.

by catfish2 2008-05-29 07:49PM | 0 recs
Re: OK - forget about my vote. I will vote Democra

Thanks!  Your public service is much appreciated.

by Deadalus 2008-05-29 07:52PM | 0 recs
Do you care about November?

Just curious.

by catfish2 2008-05-29 07:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you care about November?

Yes, of course.

Do you?  

Because if so, why are you advocating trumping up silly scandals that damage the nominee?

And if you think that clinton would cake walk into the presidency after stealing the nomination from the pledged delegate leader, you're mistaken.  The GOP would stir up a shitstorm and AA's would stay home in record numbers.

by Deadalus 2008-05-29 08:09PM | 0 recs
They apologized to OBAMA for putting

him on the spot.  Hmmm.  He wasn't even offended.

Nice apology!  

by CoyoteCreek 2008-05-29 08:15PM | 0 recs
Re: They apologized to OBAMA for putting

Why should he apologize for someone else's statements.

Statements, btw, that have been said by every comedian on TV covering this circus.

by Deadalus 2008-05-29 08:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton Supporters Enough of the Pastor proble

Well, Obama was probably going to concede, but this inflammatory stuff coming from the "hillary campaign has made them decide to take this to the convention!!!

That's a twist of what Carville said recently...

Anyways, I'm a bit amazed that the Hillary campaign would go Hagee now and attack the Catholic Church... supposedly Hillary's biggest supporters...

Every day is a surprise from the Hillary campaign...

by LordMike 2008-05-29 07:35PM | 0 recs
Obama already denounced the comments

Or is this one of those, "He didn't reject and denounce" complaints?

by elrod 2008-05-29 07:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton Supporters Enough of the Pastor proble

What did Bob Schieffer have to drink in that clip.

by lori 2008-05-29 08:00PM | 0 recs
Jeez... the parody trolls

are really getting out of hand lately.

by sricki 2008-05-29 08:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Jeez... the parody trolls

How long until there's a diary posted by a parody troll, that will be filled only with the comments of parody trolls?

by catilinus 2008-05-29 08:09PM | 0 recs
Heads might explode over that. n/t

by sricki 2008-05-29 08:15PM | 0 recs
Oh good lord... I agree with the

ex-parody troll. Imagine that. This place is like the Twilight Zone. But yes, enough of this. No more "gotcha" politics.

by sricki 2008-05-29 08:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton Supporters Enough of the Pastor proble

Obama supporters never gave Hillary Clinton the benefit of the doubt. In fact the Obama campaign pushed the story hard and misconstrued Clinton's remarks.

Wolfson is doing something much less divisive than what Bill Burton did considering he did this so late in the day and allowed the Obama camp to clarify their position on this.

by ajain 2008-05-29 08:03PM | 0 recs
At this point, call 'em what they really are....

McCain supporters.

by Freespeechzone 2008-05-29 10:06PM | 0 recs


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