PUMA Pac Founder, Murphy, "NOT a Republican" (Updated 3x)

PUMA Pac founder and Democratic activist, Darragh Murphy, has been the target this week of allegations that she is a closet McCain supporter working for the Republicans to "to set up a secretive operation" to make McCain look moderate and make feminists look like "hysterical bitches" -- (Really Amanda, anyway).

Like some of you, I was alarmed that a Republican might have infiltrated PUMA disguised as a disgruntled Democrat and formed a group that is now a leader in the PUMA movement. Like some of you, I was angry and wanted to get to the bottom of it. PUMA is a growing group of disgruntled Democrats, not a Republican secret op, so any Republican mischief-maker would need to get the boot quickly. So, I decided to go right to the source to verify the veracity of these allegations.

Hear what Darragh has to say over the flip...  

I contacted Darragh Murphy by email on Sunday afternoon to ask if she had donated $500 to McCain back in 2000 and if she was a Republican. She replied that evening to address the allegations. Darragh confirmed that she did donate $500 to McCain during the 2000 primary, but absolutely rejected the false claims that she is a Republican. I've decided to let Darragh's words speak for themselves. Here is her reply to me:

I have responded at length to these attempts to discredit me. I am NOT a Republican, never have been never will be.

I donated to the McCain PRIMARY campaign in 2000 because I was vehemently opposed to George W Bush. I voted for Al Gore, of course, in the general election.

I've also donated and volunteered for Hillary this year. My words and actions speak for themselves. Attempts to discredit me will fail because I am sincere and honest.

Thanks for the email, and sorry for not replying sooner.


I was able to confirm that Darragh did donate to Hillary at least $650 during this primary. I still had some unanswered questions, so I replied back to Darragh with several follow ups for clarification. Here are my questions and her responses to them:

1. Are you a registered Democrat? If so, how long? If not, what party are you registered or affiliated with?

Yes, I am a registered Democrat, since 1987 when I first registered to vote. I come from a long line of committed, active Democrats in Boston. I briefly registered "unenrolled" in 2000 in order to vote in the Republican primary, as we discussed, but then re-registered as a Democrat. I always vote for Democrats. I think I supported Bill Weld as Mass governor back in the early 90's because I liked him and Massachusetts is a funny place like that. I dont exactly remember -- never thought it would come up or that anyone would care!

2. Did you support Kerry in 2004? Do you support down ticket Democrats?

The night Kerry lost I was absolutely distraught. I could NOT believe it
had happened again. When George Bush stole the election in 2000 I was also distraught.

3. Will you support down ticket Democrats this November?

YES YES YES, I support down-ticket Dems. They are the front lines as politicians in the Dem Party. They NEED our support, even more than the big shots at the national level.

4. Would you support Obama if he put Hillary on the ticket?

I will not vote for Obama. Even if he has Mother Teresa on the ballot with him.

I appreciated Darragh taking the time to address my concern and answer my questions. It's clear that she is NOT a Republican, but instead a disgruntled Democratic activist. Now, if you are still wondering why a Democrat would vote for and contribute money to a Republican during a primary, then hear what RonK Seattle had to say on the matter at MyDD:

If you knew your Party history better you'd know that many smart Democratic activists threw support to McCain in the 2000 Republican primaries, when he stood a legitimate chance of derailing W.

RonK followed up to provide more context:

Nearly 35,000 self-identified Democrats voted for McCain in the 2000 MA Republican primary (as did over 200,000 self-identified Indies), accounting for 73% of McCain's winning (and winner-take-all) total.

Similar results were recorded all over the map. Republicans comprised 37% of voters in the MA GOP primary, 48% in MI, and so on. (I caucused for Gore in 2000, but I voted for McCain in WA's open primary.)


Murphy's contribution was perfectly timed. A primary contribution to Gore would have been wasted (as he won going away), a general election contribution would have been returned (as he accepted public financing), and a party contribution would have been diluted in the $200M-to-$200M standoff (where essentially all available ad minutes were bought out).

Today, as it was in 2000, MA voters can change or drop party designations as late as 20 calendar days before any primary or general election.

I know that it must be difficult for some Democrats to understand why your Democrat kinsmen have taken the PUMA path. Whether by choice or out of necessity, this path we take is based on democratic principles that are bigger than any one candidate. Our party has lost it's way; we are working to help right it's course.      

Cross posted at Alegre's Corner.

Update [2008-7-1 21:50:9 by grlpatriot]: There were a few comments here about the possibility that Darragh Murphy had donated to Hillary just prior to creating PUMA Pac as a cover up. I contacted Darragh to get detailed information regarding the dates and amounts that she donated to Hillary's campaign. Darragh made her donations online and she was able to pull the data from her fund raising page on Hillary's website that shows dates and amounts of her donations. Here is the donation history that Darragh provided to me that started on March 19, 2008, totaling $600.
6/3/2008 Darragh Murphy $100.00
5/21/2008 Darragh Murphy $50.00
5/16/2008 Darragh Murphy $50.00
5/7/2008 Darragh Murphy $100.00
4/11/2008 Darragh Murphy $50.00
3/31/2008 Darragh Murphy $100.00
3/21/2008 Darragh Murphy $50.00
3/19/2008 Darragh Murphy $100.00
I also asked Darragh about the discrepancy total between the donation history that she provided to me ($600) and what the Huffington Post's FundRace 2008 lists ($650). She stated that she doesn't recall giving another $50 donation offline and believes the data on HuffPo to be inaccurate.

Update [2008-7-2 0:31:40 by grlpatriot]: Thanks to TxDem08 for posting the FEC source which provides independent verification of the donation details that Darragh provided to me. These donation figures totaling $650 are probably HuffPo's source. The $50 discrepancy most likely resides in the campaign's reporting of the donations to the FEC.

3/20/2008 $100
3/22/2008 $50
3/31/2008 $100
4/12/2008 $50
4/30/2008 $100
5/8/2008 $100
5/17/2008 $50
5/22/2008 $50
5/30/2008 $50
Update [2008-7-3 21:44:13 by grlpatriot]: RonK Seattle has done some further digging into FEC records and provides additional details on "contributors [that] have histories of FEC reportable contributions only to Democratic candidates and committees -- with the sole exception of McCain 2000." Check out what Ronk has to say about these crossover Dems that contributed to McCain during the 2000 primary. You can check RonK's post out at here at MyDD or The Confluence.

Tags: 2008, Barack Obama, Darragh Murphy, Democratic Party, Democrats, DNC, Election, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Just Say No Deal, president, presidential primary, PUMA, PUMA Pac, Republican For A Day, Republicans (all tags)



Re: PUMA Pac Founder, Murphy, "

Who would give hundreds of dollars to a Republican if they are not a Republican?

No one I can think of.

by politicsmatters 2008-07-01 01:13PM | 0 recs
RonK Seattle

Did you read the diary? Did you read what RonK had to say?

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 01:19PM | 0 recs
Re: RonK Seattle

Why would ANYONE trust what he or you have to say.

You both actively campain for McCain through what is obviously a genius GOP front.

I got to hand it to the GOP, they know how to take advantage of idiots so so well.

Welcome to the GOP base.....

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-01 01:21PM | 0 recs
Re: RonK Seattle

I think you give the GOP too much credit.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 01:39PM | 0 recs
Re: RonK Seattle

No I will give them credit, they are great at convincing people they are on their side (Lieberman, poor people, some minorities).

Unless you are saying you are stupid and easy to con, I am just going to give the GOP credit for playing you attention starved home schooled marvels of society.

Okay maybe the GOP isn't that smart, but they are great at manipulating those who want it.

Take a good hard look at a picture of Rove and Cheney, if you don't vomit in 10 seconds you have crossed to the dark side because you are looking at your new mentors.

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-01 01:45PM | 0 recs
New Post

RonK just posted on this topic on The Confluence and mydd:

http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/ 07/03/what-do-these-people-have-in-commo n/

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/7/3/17353 4/9556#4

A very well-written post.

by ghost 2 2008-07-03 02:23PM | 0 recs
Re: RonK Seattle

You're using the very same line Alegre used to use.

Oh, and, yes, I did read it. My point is that Democrats don't donate to Republicans, not any I've ever heard of.  Her story is BS, clear and simple.  

by politicsmatters 2008-07-01 01:24PM | 0 recs
Re: RonK Seattle

This is crossposted at alegre's corner. LOL!

Take a look and check out grlpatriot's comments over at that delusional land.

Downthread they have some funny quotes...

my favorite....


by spacemanspiff 2008-07-01 01:28PM | 0 recs
Re: RonK Seattle

As the great Katha Pollitt says:

Are there feminist Hillary supporters who hate Obama so much they'll vote for McCain just to show the Democratic Party how ticked off they are? Yes, and I get e-mails from all five of them. Seriously, I'm sure there are female Hillary Clinton voters who will go for John McCain in the general election, but I don't think too many of them will be feminists. Because to vote for McCain, a feminist would have to be insane. Let me rephrase that: she would have to believe that the chief--indeed the only--goal of the women's movement is to elect Clinton, not to promote women's rights. A vote for McCain would be the ultimate face-spiting nose-cutoff. Take that, women's equality!
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080707/po llitt

by politicsmatters 2008-07-01 01:31PM | 0 recs
It's about choice

Annabelle at Peacocks and Lilies takes a different perspective in It's about choice, stupid, which is closer to the reality of PUMA.

...that it's not about abortion, it's about choice. It's about making the choice that you are not some textbook example of the proto-typical female, you are not subject to emotional manipulation over your reproductive capacity, and that you do, in fact, care about power and leverage. And that it's perfectly okay to do something that may not be for the greater good, because self-preservation is a better idea at this time.

Obama talks all the time about the new politics, even as he demonstrates every day that that isn't actually what he wants. What he wants is a new coalition to give him means to the same old power, which he will deploy in the same old way. All he wants is a new path to the White House, not a new way of governing once in it. If we, as Democrats, both male and female, allow ourselves to be persuaded by such cheap and manipulative ploys as hope, change, and abortion, then we will get the government we deserve. If we fail to see the dangers, once again, nothing will change. But if we take a risk, and choose a new politics anyway, where it is perfectly okay to challenge old assumptions and voting patterns, then maybe things will change.

I highly recommend reading the entire piece. You may have a better understanding of what is happening. You may still not agree with it, but you will at least have an understanding.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 04:49PM | 0 recs
Not quite

Sometimes democrats give to people outside their party when they are maxxed out (see Bob Barr), but it is funny that her only contribution is to John McCain (from 2000) according to the FEC (I would think they would know...)

by Sanguine Giant 2008-07-01 01:28PM | 0 recs

Sorry, hate to burst your bubble but she did contribute to Hillary and she is a registered Dem.  I live in her state, and not that far from her.
Here you go, check it out for yourself...
Darragh Murphy - Acton, MA 017 on the zip.

Transaction Detail from the Federal Election site

by JustAsking 2008-07-01 02:39PM | 0 recs

Don't go bringing facts into this discussion.  Only Republican trolls do that.

by psychodrew 2008-07-01 03:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Not quite

Don't know the lady, and don't agree with her position.  However, she appears genuine, and donated to Hillary starting in March all the way through at least 30 May.

The internet is your friend people...

by TxDem08 2008-07-01 03:05PM | 0 recs
Democrats don't donate to Republicans

Well, I don't but some wealth people donate to both parties. Just a fact.  

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 01:39PM | 0 recs
Re: RonK Seattle

Their mind is made up.  Don't confuse them with facts.

BTW, I remember Ronk from dkos in 2002-2003 (yes, that far back).  He was also a passionate voice for truth and keeping everyone honest (as he is now.)  That's why I have so much respect for him.  

by ghost 2 2008-07-03 02:27PM | 0 recs

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-01 01:15PM | 0 recs

credit for this goes to Rumproast (member here)

Oh, and please credit to the source Rumproast (member of this site)

http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/ comments/puma_pacs_founder_darragh_murph y_proudly_presents_party_unity_my_ass_re dux/

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-01 01:17PM | 0 recs

What's the difference between a Republican and a PUMA anyways?

What's the point of a PUMA (grlpatriot) defending the "honor" of another PUMA?

This is beyond pathetic.

They both share a common goal....


Such hypocrisy and irony from these PUMA's is hilarious.

by spacemanspiff 2008-07-01 01:24PM | 0 recs
Democratic principles

No, it's about not supporting a flawed process and an illegitimate and unqualified candidate that was selected by party leaders over a candidate the was elected by the people. The system was gamed and the fix was in. The principles of one person/one vote and fair reflection where thrown out the window. Save the enamel on your teeth and stop regurgitating the GOP meme.  

by grlpatriot 2008-07-02 06:56AM | 0 recs

DL2008, I wasn't crediting Amanda at Pandagon with breaking the story, just referencing her post which is actually different from Rump. There are a few other bloggers with the story. Rumproast did post the story prior to a story about the same subject appearing at Pandagon. Please feel free to do the research and write a diary about the origins of the story.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 03:30PM | 0 recs

Scratches chin

How come she doesn't show up on the FEC site as donating to Hillary?

A primary contribution would have allowed him (Gore) to set up more effectively for the GE.

The lack of any early contributions to Hillary from someone who was able to dip deep in 2000 is somewhat surprising (when in Q2).

i am just pointing out some puzzling thoughts.

by Sanguine Giant 2008-07-01 01:16PM | 0 recs
no donation on this site, too

And opensecrets shows no donations as well:

http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/donor_ lookup.php?name=Darragh%20Murphy

Did this diarist really think we wouldn't check?????

by politicsmatters 2008-07-01 01:18PM | 0 recs
Fundrace is whacky bugged

I know of people who ahve donated money that don't show up, and people i know haven't donated money show up.

by Sanguine Giant 2008-07-01 01:22PM | 0 recs
In fact the only contribution

that pops up at the FEC's site is the one to McCain in 2000:


    02/28/2000     500.00     20990076175

Why no money to Hillary if she was so worked up about her?  Or money to Kerry? or to any down ballot candidate?

by Sanguine Giant 2008-07-01 01:27PM | 0 recs
Re: In fact the only contribution

Such a loyal Democrat has NEVER donated to anybody before. Not even downticket. Highly suspicious.

Glad to see you around bud.

by spacemanspiff 2008-07-01 01:35PM | 0 recs
It doesn't pass the sniff test

That is for sure.

I am working on a diary but am very busy I have to go take care of some gels soon... (grrr I hate gels).

by Sanguine Giant 2008-07-01 01:43PM | 0 recs
Passed the sniff test

PAGE or Agarose gels?

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 04:57PM | 0 recs
Re: In fact the only contribution

Try the Huffington Post FundRace 2008. Google it if you have trouble. You too can confirm that Darragh did donate to Hillary at least $650 during this primary. I guess you missed that part of the diary too.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 04:55PM | 0 recs
Yep, she donated to Hillary

Anyone can do a google search and confirm that Darragh did donate to Hillary at least $650 during this primary. I guess you missed that part of the diary too.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 04:54PM | 0 recs
Murphy donated to Hillary

I was able to confirm that Darragh did donate to Hillary at least $650 during this primary. I guess you missed that part of the diary.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 04:52PM | 0 recs
Re: PUMA Pac Founder,

And cut the crap about how PUMA is standing up for democratic principles.

Obama won the nomination through the means laid out at the start of the process. He won the most pledged delegates and then the superdelegates used their judgment and put him over the top.

I know that you're disappointed that Clinton didn't win. But by the start of March it was impossible since there was no mathematical way for her to win the most pledged delegates. Folks here told Clinton supporters that she couldn't win the pledged delegates, said it over and over, but a lot of people didn't want to hear it.  

by politicsmatters 2008-07-01 01:16PM | 0 recs
Re: PUMA Pac Founder,

And not only did FL and MI make NO difference in Obama winning the most pledged delegates, there really was no chance that they could flout the rules and suffer no reductions in delegates.

by politicsmatters 2008-07-01 01:20PM | 0 recs
Re: PUMA Pac Founder,

My name wasn't on the MI ballot either, can I have those votes and delegates.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 05:02PM | 0 recs
Me, too!

I want some!

by psychodrew 2008-07-01 07:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Me, too! I want some!

All of the sudden I thought of skittles.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 07:34PM | 0 recs
Re: PUMA Pac Founder,

I won't go into the rigged primary with you, but the pledged delegate meme has no more, no less wait than popular vote which Clinton won.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 05:01PM | 0 recs
Did the means laid out

provide for assigning some of  Clinton's  pledged Michigan delegates to Barack Obama even though he voluntarily took his name off of the ballot?  I don't think so.  

Never in the history of the Democratic Party have one candidate's pledged delegates been re-assigned to another candidate.

Democracy means one-person, one-vote and privacy of the ballot.
Neither of these principles was applied in the 2008 primary.

I'm not a PUMA because I plan to vote for the nominee, but let's not kid ourselves that this Democratic primary was seriously fu*ked.

by Radiowalla 2008-07-01 06:39PM | 0 recs
Not difficult to understand at all?

"I know that it must be difficult for some Democrats to understand why your Democrat kinsmen have taken the PUMA path."

Not at all, I have raised a teenage daughter, and she used to act out and piss and moan, slam doors, stomp her feet, when she didn't get her way?

I have seen Petulant  children act out before, nothing unusual about it.

by WashStateBlue 2008-07-01 01:17PM | 0 recs

I agree on one point. This path you take is based on something bigger than one candidate. That big thing is called EGO.

by french imp 2008-07-01 01:18PM | 0 recs

Wow! First time I'm troll rated! Thanks!

by french imp 2008-07-01 09:59PM | 0 recs
Obama, let go of my ego

No, that's Obama. Recall even he had to throw his own ego under the bus for a minute with that faux presidential seal.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-02 06:47AM | 0 recs
Uh huh.

"I agree that we need to protect our democracy. Obama, his organization, and anything that supports it is an afront to democracy."

"No amount of bullshit propaganda and gimmicks are going to work. Nothing except for backing Hillary, the rightful nominee. It's fine with me if they want a f*cking stand off because Obama still loses in November. The good news is that we'll be rid of Bush and Obama."

"We need to reject Obama and anyone who propped him up."

"Real liberals supporting McCain"

Those were just a few comments I picked in like 2 minutes... I'm sure you've left some other wonderful nuggets over there at The Unreachables site if I cared to peruse any more of your righteous anger.

I'm sure, of course, that you interviewed Murphy as an objective journalist that had no dog, or any feline animal, in this fight.  I'm also sure that someone that donated $500 to McCain in 2000 has no interest in tearing down his opponent in 2008 (by, I dunno, maybe pretending to be a Democrat that is angry).  Yes, everything is on the up and up.  Uh huh.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-07-01 01:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Uh huh.

If someone donated hundreds of dollars to McCain once, it's certainly not surprising that that person would back him again.  

Personally, I've never donated hundreds of dollars to any candidate. Who is this person with so much money to throw around to a candidate of the party she purportedly doesn't support?

by politicsmatters 2008-07-01 01:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Uh huh.

This comment is really telling, or damning, whichever way you want to take it. "Real liberals supporting McCain"

by MS01 Indie 2008-07-01 01:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Uh huh.

You should piggyback on sombody's comment upthread and post this. Comedy gold my friend.

Great find.

by spacemanspiff 2008-07-01 01:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Uh huh.

I see we have another drive-by hide rater - http://www.mydd.com/user/myiq2xu/ratings

by MS01 Indie 2008-07-01 02:41PM | 0 recs
I'm sure

Alegre appreciates the page views.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 05:03PM | 0 recs
Re: PUMA Pac Founder, Murphy,

Actually, you're not helping to right the course.  This movement won't even be a footnote in history.

by rfahey22 2008-07-01 01:24PM | 0 recs
"Cross posted at Alegre's Corner."

You have ZERO credibility. Sorry.

by SocialDem 2008-07-01 01:24PM | 0 recs
Re: "Cross posted at Alegre's Corner."

GrlPatriot has "already got a ride on McCain's Straight Talk Express"

On the site for all political wannabees NoQuarter:
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/24/ selling-race-bait/

This is GOP trollery at it's weakest.

Shame the admin didn't stick to banning McCain campaigners like they said they would.

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-01 01:28PM | 0 recs
After what I witnessed from the

primary wars. With the most fallacious, down right intellectually bankrupt diaries that came from these SAME people, I am beginning to think they were Rethug operatives all along.

by SocialDem 2008-07-01 01:37PM | 0 recs
Re: After what I witnessed from the

Maybe some.  Not most.

You have to understand how incredibly worked up about the primary race everybody here was.  I would have been incensed had Obama lost under conditions I thought questionable.  I'd probably still be raw and enraged about it.

So I can see where their pain comes from.  Now their actions.....

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-07-01 01:39PM | 0 recs
No, I do understand exactly how worked

up everyone was. The problem is most of those inflammatory diaries should have never been allowed to be posted here in the first place. Come "finger-gate"? What the hell is that? I by no means meant to brush ALL Hillary supporters with the same brush but you know damn well which ones I was talking about.

by SocialDem 2008-07-01 01:41PM | 0 recs
Re: "Cross posted at Alegre's Corner."

Yep, better than being under the bus,which is where Obama is throwing his supporters. You're getting good at the faux frame job, but let's show some context. Regarding Team Obama's race baiting and Obama playing the race card (again) "they'll say he's black" - as if the entire world didn't know that.

This was the exchange at NoQ:

Comment by grlpatriot | 2008-06-24 21:08:34

Team Obama did exactly the same thing to the Clintons. It is really unfortunate that the UnDemocratic Party is complicit in this charade. But, why am I surprised they used sexism against one of there own. I will not reward this type of behavior.
Reply to this comment

Comment by believe | 2008-06-24 21:09:46

Who in the Democratic party used sexism?

Not shock jocks or pundits or sellers of nutcrackers -- the party.
Reply to this comment

Comment by Carol | 2008-06-24 21:16:19

It wasn't sexism - it was misogyny.
Reply to this comment

Comment by grlpatriot | 2008-06-24 21:32:16

Actually, both. The party leaders were silent when misogyny, sexism, and Clinton hatred flooded the Obamedia and spilled into our living rooms. Their silence makes them complicit in it. I, for one, believe that Obama and his party leader supporters purposefully used this very misogyny, sexism, and Clinton hatred to tear a good Democrat down. I find it telling that both Dean and Pelosi have came out and said that sexism was rampant against Hillary. Thanks for telling us the obvious. Too little, too late. And they are only doing it now because they want Hillary's supporters to back their Flim Flam Phoney Pony. Sorry, but I've already got a ride on McCain's Straight Talk Express. NObama!

by grlpatriot 2008-07-02 06:44AM | 0 recs
Re: "Cross posted at Alegre's Corner."

That site has turned into a standard anti-Obama site.  Pretty soon they'll be passing along the loony stories about his birth certificate and the whitey tape, if they haven't already.  Right now there's a diary complaining that he got along with his colleagues on the faculty of the University of Chicago Law School, which is a problem because there are a lot of Republicans on the faculty.  (As my teenage daughter would say, WTF?)

by politicsmatters 2008-07-01 01:29PM | 0 recs
These people are beyond

loony. They are down right batshit insane. I really can not stand to see this site turn into the "Obama is the George Wallace of the left" anymore. Jerome has to some serious clean-up or he will lose good members like me who TRY to contribute but is shut out by these PUMA morons.

by SocialDem 2008-07-01 01:36PM | 0 recs
Re: "Cross posted at Alegre's Corner."

Actually, there are diaries up about the following:

Make July 4th Independence Day for Hillary - donating to Hillary
So Much Work To Do And Nothing But Pettiness - about the back and forth between McCain and Obama
John Lewis Says Bring that Primary Challenge On
Kos is a Puma! - Kos to withhold donation to Obama.
It's never for the good guys - about the media

by grlpatriot 2008-07-02 06:35AM | 0 recs
Re: "Cross posted at Alegre's Corner."

To know me is to love me. You obviously don't know me.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-02 06:21AM | 0 recs
Hmm... OK.

She donated to McCain in 2000 because she was against Bush. She donated to McCain (or at least supported him, I don't care enough to look it up) this year because she is against Obama. At no point, apparently, was she FOR John McCain, even though she has supported his campaign every time he has run. That's either a lie or self-delusion.

by vcalzone 2008-07-01 01:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Hmm... OK.

But ultimately, it doesn't matter, because she is a turncoat and a detriment to our party. And the vindictiveness doesn't speak well to her character, either. I welcome as many of her attacks as she cares to provide, because the more Obama gets hammered in the kind of shit-slinging that PUMA revels in, the more he'll be sympathetic to Americans tired of jackasses trying to bully politicians through ridiculously showy protests. Obama's supporters will look like angels in Denver when we get a look at the PUMA folks standing outside screaming. Maybe they can get the Westboro folks to join them. I think it's close to their territory.

by vcalzone 2008-07-01 01:35PM | 0 recs
Cognitive dissonance much? These folks sure do...

"Right now there's a diary complaining that he got along with his colleagues on the faculty of the University of Chicago Law School, which is a problem because there are a lot of Republicans on the faculty."

At the same time, they are trying to get a Republican elected, so he can appoint ANOTHER generation of judges from the USSC on down.

Your teenage daughter is a lot more coherent then these chowder-heads. WTF indeed!

by WashStateBlue 2008-07-01 01:34PM | 0 recs
Re: PUMA Pac Founder, Murphy,

In the video, this McCain contributor PUMA-ite says that she can't support Obama because there was sexism toward Hillary Clinton.  But what did Obama say that was sexist?  I'm a lifelong feminist, 50 years old, and I can't think of a single example.

I'm going to rec this diary just so it gets more attention for the BS that's in it.

by politicsmatters 2008-07-01 01:35PM | 0 recs
Re: PUMA Pac Founder, Murphy,

I saw a PUMA on Larry King, and she started off by saying:

"I'm an ardent feminist, pro-choice and have been against the war from the start, and want our troops home right now. That is why I am supporting John McCain."

After they asked around the panel, and most people were like the TV version of "WTF is this woman talking about" it came back to her THEN she said the truth:

"This is about how Hillary was treated, and we must punish the Democratic party for it."

At least she had the guts to let all this phony "I'm a liberal for McCain" crap drop.

I don't expect GrlPatriot or Alegre to be that honest.

by WashStateBlue 2008-07-01 01:42PM | 0 recs
Hillary's treatment is a part

of a much larger insidious problem that has been established in the blogosphere so we don't need to beat a dead unity pony. For some disgruntled Democrats, it is all about Hillary for most it is not. PUMAs are not just Hillary supporters, they are Dodd, Biden, Edwards, and Kucinich supporters as well.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 01:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's treatment is a part

How was Hillary mistreated by Obama? When are you going to lay it out? What did he do that was oh so mean and oh so sexist - and how was it worse than any other candidate ever experienced?

I think you are pissed she didn't win and you have very thin gruel in any historical context to claim that she was so badly treated by her opponent. Frankly, I think Obama was unbelievably gentle after he realized that she couldn't win the pledged delegates. He hardly criticized her after that.

by politicsmatters 2008-07-01 01:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's treatment is a part

"they are Dodd, Biden, Edwards, and Kucinich supporters as well."

Nah, they are really not.

They are mostly angry older white woman who were for Hillary.

Harriet is your standard-bearer, and that is not a pretty picture.

by WashStateBlue 2008-07-01 01:54PM | 0 recs
I'm not a PUMA.

But I can't stand to watch a friend getting bullied.

You're WRONG.

From Marc Ambinder:

Two prominent New Hampshire Democratic activists, including a political appointee of President Clinton's, have endorsed Sen. John McCain and are forming "New Hampshire Democrats for McCain."

They are Jim McConaha and Valery Mitchell. McConaha and Mitchell both supported Sen. Chris Dodd's presidential bid.

I don't agree with the PUMAs and I'll push back against them when I disagree with their arguments, but I know many of them and count them as friends.  They are not crazy, irrational, and emotional.  They are doing what they believe is the right thing to do.

by psychodrew 2008-07-01 03:33PM | 0 recs
It's the gent, not the genitalia

I think boy PUMA, CannonFire, might disagree with about who PUMAs are and who is behind them. HC is one person. She does not speak for all of us, just like I don't speak for all of us.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-02 06:20AM | 0 recs
Re: PUMA Pac Founder, Murphy,

The references to "the party" are so bizarre, as if it wasn't the people whose came out for Obama who got him all those delegates.

These PUMAs clearly wanted the supers to overturn the pledged delegates and because they didn't, it's a sign that "the party" mistreated Hillary.  That's the same party that let her folks set the rules before the nomination contest began and in which she outraised Obama and got far more supers before the contest began.

BTW, even if this fantasy that "the party" would be punished were true, wouldn't it also be true that the people would also be punished -- especially poor folks and people without health insurance? Under what moral calculus could that harm be justified for the potential future in which "the party" realized that it should have picked Clinton???

by politicsmatters 2008-07-01 01:57PM | 0 recs
Re: PUMA Pac Founder, Murphy,

The Supers overturned the popular vote. Like I said somewhere else in this thread the pledge delegate meme is no more, no less than the popular vote.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 05:08PM | 0 recs
Re: PUMA Pac Founder, Murphy,

Mmm hmmm.

And which states do you not count to get your jury-rigged popular vote that HRC "won"?

Do you even know?


by Progressive Witness 2008-07-02 07:06AM | 0 recs
Re: PUMA Pac Founder, Murphy,

That is that person's opinion not mine.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 05:10PM | 0 recs
Thanks for the Rec

You may think that Obama didn't say anything that was sexist, but obviously people disagree. Thanks for the Rec.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 01:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks for the Rec

Perhaps you could say what Obama said that was sexist rather than saying that other people think he said something.  I

f there's anything at all from Obama -- not some dumb shock jocks yelling "iron my shirt" one time -- let's lay it out and discuss it.

And we can consider if it whatever it was (if you can come with an example) is so egregious that you would support voting for a candidate who is pro-war, pro-Bush on tax policy, against any movement toward health care, anti-reproductive rights and for federal judges in the Scalia and Alito mold.

by politicsmatters 2008-07-01 01:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks for the Rec

Obama said something sexist, but repeating it would be sexist too. Like in Brian's life, where uttering the forbidden word gets you lapidated, even if you're doing so in order to denounce the one who uttered it in earnest...

by french imp 2008-07-01 01:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks for the Rec

Wow! Second time I'm troll-rated!

by french imp 2008-07-01 10:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks for the Rec

I responded to you up thread.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-02 06:11AM | 0 recs
Calling BULL

She DONATED 500.00 to him and VOTED for him and gave HILLAY NOTHING so spin like a freeking top all day and the FACTS won't change.

by Grissom1001 2008-07-01 01:42PM | 0 recs
Darragh did donate to Hillary

Yes, Darragh said that she donated $500 to McCain in the 2000 primary and voted for him too in an attempt to stop Bush from winning the nomination, since Gore was going to win MA anyway. She said she voted for Gore in the general election. BTW, Darragh did donated to Hillary in this primary. Using the the Huffington Post's FundRace 2008, I was able to verify that Darragh did donate to Hillary.  

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 01:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Darragh did donate to Hillary

At the end of the day, what really matters is who she bows her head to.

http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/ comments/puma_pacs_founder_darragh_murph y_proudly_presents_party_unity_my_ass_re dux/

How can you watch that and not want to vomit.

GOP are annoying, wannabe GOP is just unacceptable.

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-01 02:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Darragh did donate to Hillary

When are you going to tell me what Obama said that was sexist and how he mistreated her?

Isn't that the essence of the PUMA reasoning for why they can't support him?  So I'm sure you can easily come up with lots and lots of examples.

by politicsmatters 2008-07-01 02:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Darragh did donate to Hillary

Easy there, PM, I'm doing 4 things at once. My partner just came home dripping wet from a down pour. :)

First off, the essence of PUMA is not a backlash to sexism. Now, with that said are people upset about it -- Damn right.  
Secondly, I do not speak for PUMA Pac. But here is what I could find on their site as their goals.

1. To support the candidacy of Hillary Clinton. Updated 6/7/08 -- Hillary Clinton was forced to suspend her campaign because the DNC decided to select its preferred nominee, so we are not directly campaigning for her. We consider her to be the leader of the Democratic party and our members will continue to support her throughout this election cycle.

2. To lobby and organize for changes in leadership in the DNC

3. To critique and oppose the misogyny, discrimination, and disinformation in the mainstream media, including mainstream blogs and other outlets of new media

4. To support the efforts of those political figures who have allied themselves with Hillary Clinton and who have demonstrated commitment to our first three goals

There is nothing there about Obama being sexist, nor is there anything on the Just Say No Deal coalition site about Obama being sexist. Are there people in the PUMA movement who feel that Obama made sexist statements -- Yes. I do not speak for them. I can only speak for myself.

These are some statements that Obama has made that I, personally, find sexist:  

- "You're likable enough, Hillary"

  • "Senator Clinton, periodically when she's feeling down, launches attacks "
  • "claws coming out" in reference to Hillary
  • "Sweetie" when referring to reporter, 2 separate instances.
  • "get over it" when referring to Hillary's  female supporters
  • "women can do anything that the boys can do" referring to Hillary at the unity rally (yeah most adults can).  

Now, when you conflate all the crap coming from the media, with crap coming from the Republicans and other Dem candidates, with crap coming from Team Obama and his supporters with what Obama himself has said, maybe you can see the problem that some people have with the sexism and misogyny they saw spill into their living rooms.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 03:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Darragh did donate to Hillary

Yeah, she donated. something  two days BEFORE she formed the organization.

During the REST of the Primary? Not a nickel?

How about you, Grlpatriot? Did you ONLY contribute in the last week of the campaign?

Doesn't that strike you as a little strange, as a cover move? Considering the fact EVERY OTHER contribution she had made was to a Republican, I think she needed cover?

Face it Grlpatriot, you're getting played like a violin....

by WashStateBlue 2008-07-01 02:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Darragh did donate to Hillary

I have no way to independently verify when Darragh  donated. I checked my own donations on HP and could see that it was several hundred dollars less than what I have donated to date. As with Darragh, my record says 2Q 2008. What that tells me is she donated well before she started PUMA Pac.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 02:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Darragh did donate to Hillary

I think you're wrong, but that's OK?

Even if it's at the start of Q2 2008, awfully late for a DIE HARD democrat?

I contributed WAY before that, but then again, I am a real democrat, and I get hit up 365 days a year by the party.

by WashStateBlue 2008-07-01 02:36PM | 0 recs

Man, I needed a laugh.  Now where's Engels?

Idea: Remember the Badger song?  We need a PUMA song.

by NewOaklandDem 2008-07-01 01:58PM | 0 recs
Re: PUMA Pac Founder,
PUMA sites so racist McCain won't advertise in them
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/7/1/17512 3/2597
by politicsmatters 2008-07-01 02:00PM | 0 recs
Fringe folks

Look, I'm not a racist and PUMA isn't racist. Are there racists in the world -- YES! I'm sure there are fringe folks that I would not associate with. Like I am sure there are fringe folks blogging on Obama's website that he doesn't agree with.  

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 02:15PM | 0 recs
by NewOaklandDem 2008-07-01 02:19PM | 0 recs
Re: PUMA Pac Founder,

Wow, I got an HR!  I think that's a first!

by NewOaklandDem 2008-07-01 02:41PM | 0 recs
Re: PUMA Pac Founder,

This person is HRing for no reason: myiq2xu

by NewOaklandDem 2008-07-01 02:42PM | 0 recs

by louisprandtl 2008-07-01 06:18PM | 0 recs
As one of your fellow ....

die hard Hillary supporters, I have to tell you : STOP . NOW.

This is simply insane.  Yes, I have renamed the PUMA's SOW's for 'selfish obnoxious whiners', because that's what pumas are being, selfish in their bent to derail a Democratic POTUS in favor of a GOP POTUS, obnoxious in their anti Obama bullshit and whiners in their constant cry that the nomination was stolen from her.  HILLARY has said STOP.  Why don't you?

Can't you folks get it?   Not only are you continuing the deep division within the Democratic party, but you are actually giving credibility to the anti Hillary folks who now can point at your little group and try their best to label all of us (Hillary supporters) as nutty as you are.  STOP!!!!!

by emsprater 2008-07-01 02:04PM | 0 recs
Re: As one of your fellow ....

This has nothing to do with Hillary supporters, nor are we making a bigger division, if anything we are trying to prevent it.

So why do you defend these people, they are a threat to our country.

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-01 02:06PM | 0 recs
Re: As one of your fellow ....

What 'people' am I defending?

Please, do read my comment again and tell me.

by emsprater 2008-07-01 02:13PM | 0 recs
Re: As one of your fellow ....

You are defending them by lumping them in with people who voted for Hillary.

Hillary's voters did nothing wrong, so don't clump these wannabe GOPers who were never, and thank god will never be part of our party.

I refuse to believe a single member on NoQuarter was or ever will be a Democrat.
If they were I hope that is the end of their affiliation with us.

Also, you are ignorant of the fact that there 99% of Hillary voters reject this garbage.

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-01 02:21PM | 0 recs
Re: As one of your fellow ....

You simply did not read my comment.  

If you had you would see I did not defend the pumas, in fact I rejected them and invoked them to 'stop' and actually renamed them 'selfish obnoxious whiners' and stated that they are allowing others to give Hillary supporters a bad name.

Read it again, please, before you try to smear my commentary.

by emsprater 2008-07-01 02:25PM | 0 recs
Re: As one of your fellow ....

You are simply right.

My bad, it just seemed to be a cookie cutter response I saw here for weeks.

Understand the reason for my confusion is it seems you are speaking to MyDD as there are no PUMA members who are part of our community.

If you want to reach them you need to post on their sites (if they will let you).

here its just preaching to the choir as all PUMA members are trolling, not actual members

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-01 02:29PM | 0 recs
Re: As one of your fellow ....

I understand.  I just assume that commentary in a diary  is usually directed towards the diarist, unless it's a reply to someone, like I am doing to you now.

My original comment was directed towards algere .. er.. grlpatriot.

by emsprater 2008-07-01 03:36PM | 0 recs
Both of you uprated because of TR abuse

by louisprandtl 2008-07-01 06:35PM | 0 recs
I think more

are seeing the PUMA way like Kos, BTD, and others that are not feeling the love for Obama.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-02 06:08AM | 0 recs
Re: I think more

Give it up.

You are not helping the country, you are not helping Hillary, and you definitely are not helping the Democrats win the POTUS and protect the Nation.

During the primary, there was time to 'fix' the problems we might agree on, and get the better candidate for the nomination.  Now it is over, there is nothing left to do if we do not want a McCain POTUS and a farther right wing SC except support Obama.  If you can't stomach doing that, then by all means SHUT UP!  You are NOT helping anyone, except McCain, and you are not doing any 'service' to the country or the party.

Yes, there are concerns about Obama and his centrist slant taken after he has gained the nod.  That happens EVERY time, if it doesn't, we loose the GE to dumb asses like Reagan, Bush 1 and 2, and possibly McCain.  America can't bear 4 more years of GOP rule.

I can't yell it loud enough; STOP!!

by emsprater 2008-07-02 06:27AM | 0 recs
Re: I think more

Careful, you might spontaneously combust.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-02 10:40AM | 0 recs
Re: I think more

You know I'm right.

I am not being angry at you nor am I being abusive or derogatory like some folks here are.

Once we were on the same side.

There is nothing positive that can come of your present path.

by emsprater 2008-07-02 11:09AM | 0 recs
Murphy = Republican

Any donations Murphy made to Clinton AFTER she dropped out of the race obviously don't count as anything more than a cover story.  Am pretty confident the FEC filing will show she donated money during the past few days (after her donation to McCain was exposed), which would still count as second quarter.  Since you're on such close terms, why not ask?

by IncognitoErgoSum 2008-07-01 02:17PM | 0 recs
Email terms

We are on email terms since Sunday. I don't think anyone would consider that "close". I will follow up with her and ask for her Hillary donation history. Stay tuned.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 04:08PM | 0 recs
A proposal

Tell you what- I'll read your diaries with an open mind on MyDD, when you let me post non-attack, but not lockstep, diaries on Alegre's Corner.  


by ihaveseenenough 2008-07-01 02:19PM | 0 recs
Re: A proposal

But that would just rile up the inmates, which means more trouble for the rest of us.

by username 2008-07-01 02:33PM | 0 recs
Re: A proposal

I have no editorial control at AC so I cannot make that promise. But I can promise to be fair should we cross paths there. BTW, the only reason I posted on MyDD today is to provide balance and throw some facts into the wilderness.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 02:47PM | 0 recs
Re: A proposal

That might be the first accurate thing you said all day long.

Wow, Alegre is such a narcisist that she FP'ers on her blog too.

"Editorial Control"  haha, please dont make me laugh.

Also, please tell the queen we are still obsessed with her and are still dissapointed with her huge cowardice.
I give you credit for doing what she is too afraid to do.

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-01 02:57PM | 0 recs
Re: A proposal

Let me clarify what I just said,  this diary is not FP as you would expect on Alegre's blog, it is on the "side"

What that says about Alegre (maybe good things) because we know GrlPatriot is proud to support McCain and Alegre for all her faults hasn't outright said it yet.

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-01 02:58PM | 0 recs
Re: A proposal

Alegre has announced any plans to support McCain because she doesn't plan to vote for him.

by psychodrew 2008-07-01 07:35PM | 0 recs
Re: A proposal

I think you meant to say that Alegre has NOT announced. There is no way in hell that Alegre will vote for McCain.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 08:02PM | 0 recs

Did eveyone catch this fun little story?  "Cornyn Staffer's Online Identity Unmasked"

http://www.burntorangereport.com/showDia ry.do?diaryId=6174

by IncognitoErgoSum 2008-07-01 02:20PM | 0 recs
Re: "Republican"

Hilarious.  If you're gonna troll, at least take the time to make up a fake email account.

by NewOaklandDem 2008-07-01 02:22PM | 0 recs
"PUMA movement"?

Yeah, in the same sense as there's a "tinfoil-will-protect-you-from-the-gover nment-mind-control-ray movement."  A few barely-sane losers do not a movement make.

by username 2008-07-01 02:35PM | 0 recs
Come out, come out, wherever you are?

So, where is this poster myiq2xu?

Kind of made a gutless run through this thread, downrating everyone, but not haveing enough balls to actually post?

Must be over here from Alegre's cadre....

by WashStateBlue 2008-07-01 02:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Come out, come out, wherever you are?

What is up with not being able to see who Zero rated you?

It just says Zero rating=1

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-01 02:44PM | 0 recs
Re: PUMA Pac Founder, Murphy, "

This woman is an agent provocateur.

by Spanky 2008-07-01 02:51PM | 0 recs
Re: PUMA Pac Founder, Murphy, "

LOL. Me or Darragh? If you are talking about Darragh, then rest assured that we were already incited. If you are talking about me, then rest assured the folks at MyDD were already incited as well.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 04:00PM | 0 recs
Re: PUMA Pac Founder "NOT a Republican"

It seems the man most resembling a real Democrat this time is McCain and the closet Republican is Obama, who:

-would extend Bush's faith-based initiative

-supports telecom immunity

-voted for Cheney's energy bill

In what ways is Obama standing up for Liberal ideals and values?

The heart and soul of the Democratic party has been kicked to the curb by the likes of Donna Brazile. The RBC violated its own rules and chose Obama over Hillary, ignoring the fact that most voters, most Democrats voted for her, not him. As a result of the undemocratic nature of the DNC and top Democrats, millions of Democrats have left the party, joined PUMA groups, registered as Independents or Republicans or will simply not vote for Obama, should he be nominated at the convention.

The mean-spirited Obama supporters who call PUMAs names are acting in a self-defeating manner that will ensure retribution on November 4.


by Nobama 2008-07-01 03:00PM | 0 recs
Re: PUMA Pac Founder "NOT a Republican"

How cute.  It's like an righteously angry haiku.  ARGHERW%#$@%

by thatpurplestuff 2008-07-01 03:26PM | 0 recs
Re: PUMA Pac Founder "NOT a Republican"


by WashStateBlue 2008-07-01 04:05PM | 0 recs
Yay! Nice legwork grrlpatriot!

The Deniers will litter this diary will "FAIL" comments because they will not be able to think of any other response.

by catfish2 2008-07-01 03:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Yay! Nice legwork grrlpatriot!

Thanks. I know that I'm persona nongrata around here these day. But, I was concerned about the charges and wanted to get to the bottom of it. I don't look the other way on the truth and would have no problem making whatever my findings were public.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 03:56PM | 0 recs
I don't think anybody is persona non grata

here unless the Admins decide..

by louisprandtl 2008-07-01 06:30PM | 0 recs
Attempts to censor and silence

are alive and well at MyDD. You can look at any diary here and comments that question Obama or the unity farce for evidence. I commented to front pager, Josh, when he asked for "Other myths to be added?" to his diary and I replied "Democratic Party unity is a myth" and I linked "Democratic Party unity" to Just Say No Deal as evidence. He deleted my comment from his post and I immediately got a system warning. I think Josh would rather pimp the unity farce narrative, then face the truth.  

by grlpatriot 2008-07-02 05:56AM | 0 recs
I'm just a regular blogger just like most of us

to this site. The MyDD User Guidelines does list that the Democratic Party cannot be excessively bashed. It is the Site Administrators prerogative to draw the line where they think that we users had crossed it. In this case, Josh deleted your comment because he felt your comment had crossed that line.

I'm just grateful that this blog allows me to express my opinions within its guidelines.

by louisprandtl 2008-07-02 06:43AM | 0 recs
She is lying

It is sad that people like the diarist buy into it.

by Blue Neponset 2008-07-01 03:57PM | 0 recs
I don't think so

I wasn't able to give Darragh my stare down test (hard to do through email) but I was careful in how I chose my questions and how I corresponded with her. She was responsive and non combative. I was looking for inconsistencies, over or under eagerness, too much/too little info, etc. I was able to get a feel from her that I found to be both sincere and authentic.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-02 05:39AM | 0 recs
Support the PUMA tag-and-release program

These beasts are fascinating, but can be a danger to themselves and others if allowed to wander freely.

Tag a PUMA today!

by spunkmeyer 2008-07-01 04:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Support the PUMA tag-and-release program

LOL. Cute.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 04:28PM | 0 recs
Grlpatriot, I'm rec'ing your diary because you're

definitely trying to correct a fact earning my  respect. However the original diarist also have my respect as I don't think he intentionally was trying to highlight a wrong information.

Anyway being a fellow HRC supporter, I want to urge you to think about a possible McCain presidency. It would be a disaster for this great country and this World of ours. Please consider not voting or supporting McCain. I'm not asking you to get over your anger or anything like that. I'm just asking you to keep the channel open to keep talking to us.

by louisprandtl 2008-07-01 06:28PM | 0 recs

a life-long Democrat whose only donations were once to McCain and once very recently to Hillary.

Very plausible indeed.

by JJE 2008-07-01 09:30PM | 0 recs
Sure, why not

I'm a life long Democrat and I've only donated money to Dean in the 2004 primary and Hillary in this primary.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-02 05:21AM | 0 recs
Note that neither

Dean nor Hillary are Republicans.  And how old are you?

by JJE 2008-07-02 05:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Note that neither

And your point? I'm 37 and what does age have to do with it. I didn't have the means to donate prior to Dean, nor did I really care to. Also, please recall that donating became much easier with Dean and his Internet fund raising.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-02 10:21AM | 0 recs
Re: PUMA Pac Founder, Murphy,

Thanks for founding PUMA. I agree with your premise. Why are you so heavily scrutinized and BO gets a pass on just about everything? Ms. Murphy, hang in there. We must all stick together.

by susanclare 2008-07-02 03:38PM | 0 recs
Re: PUMA Pac Founder, Murphy,

Actually, Murphy founded PUMA Pac. The movement really started as a ground swell of disbelief of the events we all witnessed. "PUMA" was born over at The Confluence. The rest is history.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-03 05:10PM | 0 recs
Who is Repug?

From what I can see.  Murphy is more of a democrat than Backtrack O.  She is fighting for a democratic value & the constitution; One man, one vote: Separation of Church & State: Freedom of Speech.

Backtrack O. flipped on the FISA bill, he will expand Bush's Faith Base Program, his minion flagged anti-BO blogs as spam and had them shut down.

If Murphy is a Republican, Backtrack O. is a communist.

by JoeySky18 2008-07-03 08:20AM | 0 recs


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