Who wrote the UofC memo and why did they use a small p.

Why did the University of Chicago press release not use a Capital P to call Senator Obama a professor and who wrote this unsigned memo. First this thread is not about if BO is a Professor of Constitutional Law and my views on this are well know.  This can be discussed else where.

This is to discuss who wrote the so called memo and how it magically appeared on the UofC web page almost at the same time the BO campaign came out with a release suggesting that HRC is lying and BO is if fact a UofC Professor?  And let me say for total transparency I went to Graduate School at the UofC and did part of my Medical training there so I know a little about the institution.  So besides the fact of an almost super national cosmic event that these two releases came out at the same time it is interesting to determine who wrote the memo.  And I have list of question that my University needs to answer. The post is below.

"From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined."

There are several things about this letter than IMHO smell and I will outline them.

1.    Who wrote this memo?  There is no signature listed and to me that seems really odd.  I mean this is about the likely Democratic Nominee for the Presidency of the United States.  No name.  Doesn't that seem odd?

2.    Who approved this memo?  It was on the Law School web page but something of this importance should have come out of the office of ether the Provost or University President Office?

3.    This statement is full of parsing "Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track".  First it does not say Senator Obama was a Professor it says "are regarded as professors".  So we can all agree this does not say Senator Obama was a Professor it says regarded as which is clearly parsing.  Second, did anyone notice a small but not Capital letter is used for professor?  But the post does Capitalize the S and L of "Senior Lecturers" but the p is not capitalized when they write "regarded as professors".  And this was done twice in the memo.  ". Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School".  Again when saying his 12 years as a professor the p is not capitalized. But in Senior Lecturers the S and L are capital.

The reason this was done was to make it clear that he did not have a rank as Professor.  This may seem like pin-head academic stuff (and I agree it does kind of) but you can be sure several big shots at the University and likely the dean were involved with this letter and Professor should always capitalized.   So I think we can all agree p is not capitalized to make clear his rank was not professor but they considered him like a professor.

4.    The memo states that "Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined".  Why was this included?  If this memo is to address Senator Obama's University Rank why did it include that he was offered a full-time, tenure-tack faculty position?

5.    Was Senator Obama ever officially offered a Full-time faculty position?  Because the memo states this. While the University of Chicago is a private University there are rules and trust me lots of rules.  Faculty positions at the University of Chicago have to be advertised, a committee has to meet and interview candidates, and then the chair of the committee has to recommend a candidate with the approval of the committee.  But before an offer can be made the Department Chair must approve and then both the dean and the Provost must draft and sign an offer letter.  Was this done?  The University should either provide the documentation of this or state that we discussed the possibility of a tenure track position with Senator Obama but no offer as was suggested by the Law School statement.

6.    Finally, the University needs to state for the record that no one from the Obama campaign was involved in ether the writing or the release of this memo.

OK first off.  No "I am calling BO a lair stuff".  My guess is this is just a misstatement and/or a mistake and it is not germane.  However, I have read on dkos about how this statement from the University proves that HRC is a lair and suggesting that Obama is not a Professor is another example of what an awful person she is.

But lets also all agree that this memo does not say BO was a professor of Constitution Law at the University of Chicago it says he was regard as a Professor but did not in fact have a University rank as Professor.  Finally, I am very angry that my University would post this parsed, less that correct statement.  Like several other academic faculty on this page (who based on their comments are senior to me) we consider our graduate school as "Our University" and it is very upsetting to read this nonsense.  I know there are politics on campus but Universities are political neutrals and are not suppose to get involved with political campaigns and right now the phones are off the hook at the Office of the President, Provost, and Dean.  The University of Chicago is in a big mess.

david

Tags: parsing obama (all tags)

Comments

90 Comments

Re: Who wrote the UofC memo and why did they use a

Seriously?

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-03-28 01:27PM | 0 recs
I say we rec this just

so we can get more people weighing in on the alphabet.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-28 01:49PM | 0 recs
Re: I say we rec this just

Really ?

You think he was also under sniper fire when he misspoke about having put the lobbyists out of business ?

by SevenStrings 2008-03-28 01:52PM | 0 recs
Re: I say we rec this just

You're dodging the issue! P or p? P or p?!?

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-03-28 01:54PM | 0 recs
I think

the diarist really had to PPPPPPee!

:)

by kindthoughts 2008-03-28 01:58PM | 0 recs
you would do well

in a lynch mob

...seeing how you enjoy the crowd mentality!!

by SevenStrings 2008-03-28 02:09PM | 0 recs
erm

dude its a diary about capitalization of letter "p"

You want to see crowd mentality, checkout HRC supporters diaries on Wright.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-28 02:13PM | 0 recs
Re: erm

erm dude!!

(a) I stopped being a dude many moons back

(b) this diarist has a substantial point that you are mocking with your PPPs

That is how a crowd behaves...

by SevenStrings 2008-03-28 02:17PM | 0 recs
Re: erm

seriously the diarist has no point.  Suggesting that one of the most esteemed law schools would pimp itself just to help Obama is just so far out there, it really isn't worth any analysis.  

This diary has merely wasted all of our time.

by mefck 2008-03-28 02:25PM | 0 recs
Re: erm

(1) First, whether or not the diarist has a point or not is immaterial to the behavior displayed by those who mock his points in that way.  You can point out that he has not point, and argue with him.  Perhaps he/she may even concede that he/she has no point ~ but only if you argue in a civil tone.  I do not know how you commented, but the comments from "kindthoughts" definitely were in the nature of a lynch mob being formed.  I hope he/she will reflect on that (not exactly consistent with "being excellent to each other", I might add)

(2) Second, as to your specific complaint.  The most esteemed law school has a very strong incentive to "pimp itself".  And they most certainly are ~ Senior Lecturers are not Professors or any sort, and are not called Professors, or even professors.  That term is usually reserved for those with tenure, or those on a tenure track.  Of course Sen. Obama was indulging in resume inflation ~ it is not a big deal.  But please don't make yourself look ridiculous trying to defend that.

by SevenStrings 2008-03-28 02:40PM | 0 recs
Re: erm

How do you know how the University of Chicago School of Law characterizes these things?  Have you done your own independent research?  because if so, I'd love to see it.  Wiki entries on how undergraduate institutions in general are not going to cut it.

And no, the University of Chicago could care very little if one of their former professors is president-they would care much more if he was a federal district court judge, circuit court judge or supreme court justice.

But being in expert in all things UofC, I am sure you know that already.

by mefck 2008-03-28 02:50PM | 0 recs
Re: erm

Read the diary then you, too, can know.  This is an excellent question about the memo.  The memo is unprofessional and says nothing while seeming to say a little something.  Authentic documents on prestigous schools are signed and make sense.  It seems somebody there was just trying to help Obama out without having to take responsibility for doing it.  It is sad that they have lowered their standards.  Of course, OTOH, somebody could have hacked the website and planted it.  ;-)

by macmcd 2008-03-28 06:43PM | 0 recs
Re: erm

A substantial point?  You know what "substantial" means, right?

by fogiv 2008-03-28 03:29PM | 0 recs
Re: you would do well

That was way over the line.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-03-28 02:27PM | 0 recs
it was in sprit with the diary, but

feel free to hide it if you think its too much.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-28 02:34PM | 0 recs
Re: it was in sprit with the diary, but

No, not you...the "lynch mob" comment. That's messed up.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-03-28 02:37PM | 0 recs
Re: it was in sprit with the diary, but

Perhaps you need to reflect on it too, in that case !

by SevenStrings 2008-03-28 02:41PM | 0 recs
Re: it was in sprit with the diary, but

Perhaps you need to figure out what's not appropriate in a discussion, because it seems to have momentarily escaped you.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-03-28 02:42PM | 0 recs
Re: it was in sprit with the diary, but

Agreed.  "Mob mentality," which is a perfectly acceptable concept, can be invoked without making it a LYNCH mob.

Though, I'm sure it wasn't meant to be offensive.  Unfortunately, I'm not aware that you can edit comments.

by freedom78 2008-03-28 03:18PM | 0 recs
Re: it was in sprit with the diary, but

Actually, the right term would have been "online bullying".  In most parts of the world, "mob mentality" is a lot more offensive than "lynch mob".  Neither lynch mob, nor mob mentality are appropriate  descriptions ~ online bullying is!

I was waiting to see if the perpetrators would apologize for their behavior; and I would have withdrawn my remarks.

by SevenStrings 2008-03-28 07:11PM | 0 recs
yes

a good conversation switcher.

So is it P or p ???

by kindthoughts 2008-03-28 01:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the UofC memo and why did they use a

Maybe we can rehash the definiton of "IS" . . . or is it "is" ? ? ?

by Veteran75 2008-03-28 02:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the UofC memo and why did they use a

This is the dumbest attempt to form a controversy out of nothing I've ever seen.

by furiousxgeorge 2008-03-28 01:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the UofC memo and why did they use a

I agree, I do not understand why the UofC law school had to twist themselves into such pretzels trying to justify a stupid lil case of resume inflation !!

Resume inflation is a harmless crime =)

by SevenStrings 2008-03-28 01:42PM | 0 recs
yeah this is serious

its henious!!!

I am sure he only misspoke because he was running under sniper fire.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-28 01:47PM | 0 recs
Re: yeah this is serious

Do you think he was also under sniper fire when he claimed to have put the lobbyists out of business ?

Or when he claimed to have enacted health care reform in IL ?

by SevenStrings 2008-03-28 01:53PM | 0 recs
like its been said

you are dodging the issue.

Is it P or p?

by kindthoughts 2008-03-28 02:07PM | 0 recs
Re: like its been said

why are you Peeing in your Pants (note the P in both) if you think this diarist is being silly ?

It is rather amusing to see you (and other supporters of Sen Obama) go to such ridiculous lengths to defend his resume inflation!!

by SevenStrings 2008-03-28 02:12PM | 0 recs
erm

see if statements like "resume inflation" based on capitalization of the letter that are the problem.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-28 02:17PM | 0 recs
Re: yeah this is serious

Or he claimed to have passed a bill on nuclear radiation leakage?  Or.....

Question - did Obama have earmarks to UofC.

And, are UofC titles the norm for Academia?

And when was the Senior Lecturer title given professor status in UofC?

by anya109 2008-03-28 03:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the UofC memo and why did they use a

Great analysis, David.

by oh puhleeze 2008-03-28 01:43PM | 0 recs
No it isn't

the dumbest was the attempt to suggest that Obama wanted to be President in Kindergarten.  

by fladem 2008-03-28 04:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the UofC memo and why did they use a

First, let it go.

Also, many law schools (as I was a law student a few years back) have different policies on what they call their lecturers/professors.  Moreover and perhaps most importantly, such statements would not come out of the university's provost office because law schools are often independent of the university structure itself.  Such was the case at my law school.

It is amazing.  You are so ready to believe a Sun-Times columnist, but when a statement is released by a law school and not some shlub law school, but one of the world's greatest legal institutions where supreme court justices taught, you are willing to believe the newspaper columnist and not the institution where you say you went.

I guess you don't have much regard to your alma matta.

by mefck 2008-03-28 01:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the UofC memo and why did they use a

No they if fact did not say he a professor.  And they need to explain why they made this release.

david

by giusd 2008-03-28 01:33PM | 0 recs
I can not believe I am arguing this

the letter issued by UoC Laws school says the following:

Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track.

In English language you would say:

Hell let me introduce *P*rofessor Obama

But

When asked, I said Obama is a *p*rofessor.

You are really grasping at shreds of straws.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-28 01:43PM | 0 recs
The statement said why.

Because they keep getting media inquiries about this.

by Adam B 2008-03-28 06:58PM | 0 recs
wow....

using the letter case to argue a point!!!

Next up, Its written on paper, not hewed in stone!! IT MUST BE WRONG!!!

by kindthoughts 2008-03-28 01:32PM | 0 recs
Re: wow....

No they also say "regard as a professor".  I am just making my point that he is not and has never been a Professor at the UofC.

david

by giusd 2008-03-28 01:34PM | 0 recs
Re: wow....

What is so hard to understand?

Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors

by mefck 2008-03-28 01:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the UofC memo and why did they use a

You see, this statement reveals how little you know:

and right now the phones are off the hook at the Office of the President, Provost, and Dean

I am guessing this is just supposition on your part because if you really knew how universities worked, people would be calling the law school and not the university president or provost to bitch about things.

Do you have people on the inside and "know" this to be fact or are you drinking the Hillary-aid?

No doubt this will be on the rec'd list in no time at all.

by mefck 2008-03-28 01:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the UofC memo and why did they use a

Actually, alumni would be calling the President =)

And threatening to withhold future support.  Most top tier Universities make most of their money through contributions from rich individuals.  And those individuals, I suspect, are calling the President.

THAT is how universities work =)

by SevenStrings 2008-03-28 01:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the UofC memo and why did they use a

When I want to complain to my old law school, I call the dean of the law school and not the President.

This whole thing is just so stupid.  I put this up there with the freakin parking tickets.  Is this the best the kitchen sink has to offer?   Is this what passes for a debate on a person's qualifications?

Is this the best we can really do?  Maybe we in fact deserved 8 years of W.

by mefck 2008-03-28 01:46PM | 0 recs
no, no

its 8 years of w. Lower case.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-28 01:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the UofC memo and why did they use a

you can call your old Dean

the moneybags are probably calling the President =)

by SevenStrings 2008-03-28 01:54PM | 0 recs
Excellent post, Rec"ed

Like you, I don't really care about this controversy too much; but I am amused by all these shenanigans when all he needs to say is that he misspoke.

Now, if you will answer my other question about UofC =)

by SevenStrings 2008-03-28 01:35PM | 0 recs
he did not mispeak.

Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors

Wow this is like the saddest diary.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-28 01:45PM | 0 recs
Re: he did not mispeak.

It is a crime that someone wasted about an hour of their day writing this bull.  Really.  I can't believe this is what passes for discourse on a person's qualifications these days.

Let's see, all of mydd's analysis of Obama is:

Wright and his big mansion
Marsh's inaccurate looks at polls
Obama's parking tickets FROM LAW SCHOOL
And Rezco innuendo

Oh, and I almost forgot, his state legislative papers that never existed.  Yes, release those!

Oh and he must drop out ASAP because he is winning.

Yet, these same people when called out on Hillary not telling the truth about BEING SUBJECT TO SNIPER FIRE thing its no biggie and think she doesn't have to release her tax returns.

Sounds about right.

kindthoughts-the CAPS are for you :)

by mefck 2008-03-28 01:50PM | 0 recs
rec this,

I really would like to see this diary on Rec list.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-28 02:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the UofC

UofC stand for the University of Chicago.

david

by giusd 2008-03-28 01:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the UofC memo and why did they use a

Does the expression "grasping at straws" mean anything to you?

by interestedbystander 2008-03-28 01:45PM | 0 recs
is that

capitalized?

by kindthoughts 2008-03-28 01:55PM | 0 recs
How about

beating a dead horse?

by UrbanRedneck 2008-03-28 01:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the UofC memo and why did they use a

Too many consecutive days of Wright being out of the news?

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-03-28 01:58PM | 0 recs
Waiting for another shoe to drop.

I passed through the U. of C. lo these many years ago; your post brings back memories.

by magnetics 2008-03-28 01:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the UofC memo and why did they use a

Please stop this nonsense.  

As an aside, with no related purpose to the underlying post, I'd like to add that the University of Chicago is the single finest academic institution in the world.

This totally unbiased statement comes from an alumnus - JD/MBA

by AbeFroman 2008-03-28 02:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the UofC memo and why did they use a

"I'd like to add that the University of Chicago is the single finest academic institution in the world."

Most every sane individual would disagree,,,

by SevenStrings 2008-03-28 02:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the UofC memo and why did they use a

Boo Hoo Seven Strings...  Where'd you go?  That crap-shack Northwestern?  (Note: thats a joke.. really, I like Northwestern)

Chicago is a terrific school with a commitment to intellectual rigor that is unsurpassed.  While not everyone carries the same zeal for the U of C that I do, virtually any "sane individual" would place it on the short list of the world's finest academic institutions.  

by AbeFroman 2008-03-28 02:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the UofC memo and why did they use a

U of C may be the best school in northern Illinois, I will grant you that.  You could argue with UIUC about who is better in the whole state.

by SevenStrings 2008-03-28 03:00PM | 0 recs
When I think of the

harm the economics department has inflicted on the World, I realize I disagree with you.

by fladem 2008-03-28 04:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the UofC memo .....

This has to be the Monty Python of diaries.

by mady 2008-03-28 02:05PM | 0 recs
hehehe

Coconuts float up stream. Sorry uP stream.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-28 02:09PM | 0 recs
please rec this, I really want people to see this

one.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-28 02:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the UofC memo and why did they use a

So is the correct emoticon :P or :p?

by thezzyzx 2008-03-28 02:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the UofC memo and why did they use a

Actually, it's:

:O~~~~

Sorry, this diary made me ill.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-03-28 02:28PM | 0 recs
I want to assume this is a Joke...

...but I fear it's not.  How sad.  

Just because I'm a glutton for punishment, I would note the following (1) the law school released the statement because law schools like Chicago function as almost independent entities; (2) Why would anyone in particular "sign" a release by the law school itself?; (3) "Senior lecturer" was used to diferentiate folks like Obama (read, famous and important) from simple adjunct profs.  Which, all by itself, defeats the idea that he was somhow exagerating anything; (4) they offered him a tenure-track professorship multiple times.  

OK, feel free to talk about capitalization now.  I'm off to actually, you know, talk to other human beings and live my life.  You should try doing the same some time.

by HSTruman 2008-03-28 02:22PM | 0 recs
You guys ridiculing this

Don't know much about parsing.

I'm not saying that this professor/lecturer thing is anything other than yet another faux controversy.  But UC Law has a serious incentive to front for their favorite son on this one, and the OP is right as rain about the strained parsing in that letter.

Once one of you can actually answer the questions raised in this post, then I'll give you a pass on bringing the ridicule.  Until such time, I'm afraid I see a bunch of people ridiculing that which they do not understand.

Ridicule is always the lowest form of political discourse.  You don't have to meet the facts at all.  Just make fun of them.  It's as easy to do when you're wrong as when you're right.  Hence Ann Coulter's very well-paid career.

by Trickster 2008-03-28 02:43PM | 0 recs
oh come on

its a diary whether a letter should be capitalized or not.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-28 02:45PM | 0 recs
The fact that the letter's not capitalized

is one of several good points the diarist makes.

I'll give you another point he didn't make.  The letter say:

From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status.

The bolded parts make my point.  First they say he was a professor from 1992-on, then they say he was a lecturer from 1992-96, then they say that lecturers are adjuncts (as a former adjunct, I would read that as "lecturers are an amoeba-like life form").  So they're saying he was both a professor AND an adjunct from 1992-96?

???

Does not compute.

Hey, maybe this thing is perfectly legit and the reason it reads so funny is because it was rushed out the door--but like I said, UCL has a serious incentive to buff Obama because it's just another talking point they can use to USNWR every year--most law school deans would gladly murder children for another spot in the rankings.

And again, this whole thing is a faux controversy no matter what.  But this letter does bear perceptible signs of being a spin job, and you folks shouldn't be ridiculing the person that is pointing out to you what at the very least may well be the truth.

by Trickster 2008-03-28 02:57PM | 0 recs
Re: The fact that the letter's not capitalized

I don't really think this is a spin job. I think they're saying that the term "professor" (with a little p) encompasses several types of teachers at the school. Lecturers, Senior Lecturers, and Professors all fall under the term "professor." Was Obama a Professor (with a capital P)? No. Was he a professor (with a lowercase p)? Yes, from 1992 until 2004.

by yedi 2008-03-28 03:47PM | 0 recs
You know

Different people at different schools say different things.  But I have a couple of post-grad degrees and I've been involved with post-graduate education at 3 universities in 3 different states and have talked to and known many, many academics.  And Professor is an esteemed position everywhere I've known about, and it always carries tenure.  Adjunct is a bottom-of-the-rung position everywhere I know about, and it never carries tenure.  "Lecturer" is like being "Of Counsel" at a law firm: usage varies.  It might be a position of great esteem and prestige at some places, and at other places it's a part-time night teaching job for people who can't get high-paying day jobs.

And I've never even visited UC Law School.  But I really can't imagine that they would conflate "Professor" and "Adjunct," as they did in that release by effectively saying that Obama was both a professor and an adjunct from 1992-96.  That makes no sense.

In addition, the diarist's distinction between "Professor" and "professor" is significant.  Non-academics tend to refer to all university teachers as "professors."  That usage carries a small "p," and under that usage even an adjunct could be called a "professor."  However, that usage absolutely does not fly on-campus or in an academic's resume.  Professor is a specific title, and it is capitalized.  The small "p" indicates the more generalized, outsider's description.

Another point: the structure of those "considered to be" and "regarded as" phrases just scream "parsing."  Considered by whom?  When?  Regarded as by whom?  Does the Law School officially use these terms?  Are there any examples?  Printed materials?

Finally, let me say again yes, this is a faux controversy; the other Senior Lecturers at UC Law are distinguished folk who could certainly get professorships elsewhere; in fact, it's a bit surprising that Obama circa '96, with no publications to his name, was invited to join their distinguished number, and it is certainly a legit bragging point for his resume.  

That doesn't mean this little news item wasn't a hasty and awkward spin job, and it certainly doesn't mean that the diarist who figured it out deserves the sneers s/he has been greeted with.  Another thing I'll repeat: ridicule is the lowest form of political discourse. . . .

by Trickster 2008-03-28 04:08PM | 0 recs
Re: You know

Thank you.

david

by giusd 2008-03-28 04:50PM | 0 recs
As an attorney

who has been in academia many years, I think what you don't get here is that Obama has the highest honor there is: EIC of the Harvard Law Review.

The EIC of the Harvard Law Review can get any job he wants.  Any law firm would hire him on the spot, and any academic institution would offer him a job on the spot.  

That is why he got a job teaching CON LAW, not secured transactions, not Civ Pro, but Con Law at one of the 5 best law schools in the country.

by fladem 2008-03-28 04:51PM | 0 recs
Actually

He was President, not Editor in Chief.  President is an elected position.  I'm not really sure what it does, and so far as I know the function may be the same as Editor in Chief.

Whatever it means, I'm not disputing his qualification.  And UC did in fact make him a Sr Lecturer, for whatever reason, which is a high honor.

All I'm saying is that memo is pretty spinny.  I know from spin, and that's spin.

(Although I will add that UC is actually #7 in the USNWR ratings, which I can tell you for sure because my school, Boalt, just passed it!)

by Trickster 2008-03-28 05:03PM | 0 recs
Re: You know

If you write a post parsing capitalization decisions which includes repeated, egregious errors in grammar, including capitalization howlers, you have to expected to be ribbed, especially when your clear intent is to tear down the probable nominee with a petty smear that the law school in question has refuted.  

by BITNPB 2008-03-28 04:53PM | 0 recs
If you don't know now you should learn

Some very very intelligent people, including people with high skills in language arts, have trouble with punctuation and spelling.  This is especially true of ESL folks, who can argue and analyze with great facility in their native language but aren't quite there in English.

This argument does not reflect well on you.  You're essentially saying that you focused on form and didn't bother with the content.

by Trickster 2008-03-28 05:05PM | 0 recs
Re: You know

When you chide someone for his/her grammar, you should avoid saying "you have to expected to be ribbed"

I am sure you can phrase a sentence better than that, but your careless framing makes you look ridiculous!!

by SevenStrings 2008-03-28 06:13PM | 0 recs
Re: You know

I wish I could give you 10 stars for this comment.  The diarist made an awkward attempt at outlining his/her thoughts, but the ridicule he/she was subjected to (higher up in the comment thread) was just ridiculous.

And yes, like you, I am not disputing Sen. Obama's qualifications.  I just wish his defenders would stop spinning themselves ridiculous in denying the rather obvious resume inflation !!

by SevenStrings 2008-03-28 05:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the Uof

First let me be crystal clear.  I am in no way saying the BO lair or whatever. From his stand point my guess is he did consider himself a Professor of Law at the University of Chicago.  But that is not my point.  

My point is the University of Chicago posted an intellectually dishonest and frankly less than accurate statement.  The College of Law has an obligation to the University to conduct it's self to the highest standard and IMHO they did not do this.  The memo is a fraud and so parsed it says nothing.  And let's be clear this was written by a bunch of lawyers who make a living checking every word so that a brief is perfect.  So the fact that the say "are regard as professors" was not done by chance.  

Either they are professors or they are not.  And come on you are telling me that just by chance Senior Lectures is capital but not professor.  Please.  Anyone who thinks this statement from the law school is anything more than spin is kidding themselves.  This memo was written to make I look like they were saying BO was a Professor but I fact they never say that.  

david

by giusd 2008-03-28 02:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the Uof

Anyone who believes that those who wrote and released by at a LAW SCHOOL wasn't acutely aware of the proper use of capital letters, and was unaware that it would make a difference in what they were saying is being extremely nieve or disingenuous.

This is what lawers do is parse words.  Sheesh...

by Dave B 2008-03-28 03:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the Uof

You would think I could get the thought in my brain onto the keyboard!

Should read:

Anyone who believes that those who wrote and released a memo at a LAW SCHOOL were not...

I'll go sit in the corner now!

by Dave B 2008-03-28 03:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the UofC memo and why did they use a

So he actually is a 'professor?'  And Hillary is again making unqualified and damaging assertions of hypocrisy?  Thanks for that, I suspected as much.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-03-28 03:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the UofC memo and why did they use a

Who's up for a boycott of the use of capital letters?

solidarity!

by freedom78 2008-03-28 03:24PM | 0 recs
I think you mean a capital letters

STRIKE!!!!

DOWN WITH DKOS!!!

by fladem 2008-03-28 04:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the UofC memo and why did they use a

giusd, let me be blunt. English is clearly not your first language, and you don't have the skill with it that would be required to parse the intricacies of phrasing and capitalization. Your post itself contains a half-a-dozen capitalization errors ("my Medical training," etc.)

by BITNPB 2008-03-28 03:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Who wrote the UofC memo and why did they use a

BINPB, let me be blunt,

So what is you point other than try to insult me. English is my first language so your post is even more insulting.  For what reason do you feel the need to do this? I will not go on and dont feel the need to post an insulting comment about you.  I think i sad through that this really is all you have to say.

david

by giusd 2008-03-28 04:55PM | 0 recs
I am still waiting for an answer

You mentioned that you are a researcher. I asked which field you are working in but got no response. I doubt you have any connection with academia. If you did, it would be obvious to you that there is absolutely no issue here. So what field is it?

by ges69 2008-03-30 02:01PM | 0 recs
Speaking as an academic

I too found this release from the University of Chicago Law school quite odd.  The students may have seen Senior Lecturer Obama as a professor, but I can assure you that neither the Administration nor the the Professoriate did.

Professorial rank is almost always tenured or tenure-track.  The only exception would be a Visiting Professor.  However, it would be common for a person given the rank of Visiting Professor to have already earned tenure at another institution.

In any case, tenured or tenure track faculty in the Professoriate are expected to teach.  But their most significant accomplishment are in writing and research.  Faculty outside the Professoriate, such as lecturers, teach but are not typically expected to have a research portfolio and, thus, do not make a formal contribution to knowledge.

So, I would have to say, this looks like spin to me.

by dbrown04 2008-03-28 05:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Speaking as an academic

Here's UofC's faculty list web page as published on August 24, 2000:
http://web.archive.org/web/2000082414040 8/http://catalogs.uchicago.edu/law-folde r/law-fac.html

And here's where you can see it at lots of other times:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://cata logs.uchicago.edu/law-folder/law-fac.htm l

Note Senator Obama's listing under the "Professors" heading, and its distinction from "Lecturers of Law".

Sure, a web page isn't the ultimate authority on the universe, but clearly UofC did not have a problem using the term.

by syrinx 2008-03-28 10:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Speaking as an academic

To clarify, it also lists his official position as "Senior Lecturer" as opposed to "Professor of Law", but the categorization they've been using for at least the last 8 years matches what was stated in the release - namely that "Senior Lecturers" are considered professors.

What a silly argument this all is though.

by syrinx 2008-03-28 11:03PM | 0 recs
giusd has no clue about academia but still ...

writes a rather long diary about nothing. I asked him repeatedly what academic field he is working in but got no response. There is no credibility left. Draw you own conclusions.

by ges69 2008-03-30 02:13PM | 0 recs

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