• Then tell me, how is it that the Convention gives the candidate of that party a bounce of several points in the polls??

    Conventions matter.  Granted, part of that is the media coverage, and media is in the tank for Obama.  But it's really important what overall impression voters at home get of the convention itself.  

  • But in real world, in the world of the voters who actually went in those cold, bitter months of winter and voted for her, I suspect it makes a difference.  For the old ladies who wanted to be alive to vote for a woman, it will be a source of pride to hear her name and her delegates represented.  For those voters in West Virginia who supported her by 41 points, I suspect it matters.  For her voters in the states of California and New York, I suspect it matters.

    You know, I admire Al Gore.  He was graceful in 2000 when the SCOTUS came down with its verdict and effectively gave the victory to Bush.  Al Gore had to preside over Senate when the delegate count was taking place.  He was so classy.  

    Still, not even the Supreme Court nor Bush suggested that Al Gore's delegates should all support Bush in a show of unity.  It's the democrats this time that give true meaning to the word, "chutzpah".  

    You know, it will be all ceremonial.  Hillary gets her delegates, Barack gets his, balloons will drop and everyone will be united.  

    And honestly don't forget, republicans hold convention after democrats.  You don't want to give them ammunition to mock the democratic convention.  

  • Scan, as we used to say in the old days, DFTT (Don't feed the trolls).  

    It's obvious he has no points.  Yes, I admire Hillary and I have a hard time letting go.  But I also know that you are not in that category.  You are not PUMA.

    For some, it has become a force of habit to resort to personal attacks instead of having a discussion.  

    BTW, thanks for your support.  I interpret the video exactly as you do.  There is another one (of the say day, and I think same angle) that she says, "try to be understanding of my supporters.  It was a hard-fought campaign and we lost." She says that without bitterness, or hidden meaning, just that people have invested so much in this campaign that they need time to come around.  

    That's why I admire her.  No matter what happens, she seems to be the only adult in there, who can deal with it, and do the right thing.  

  • Thank you both.  

  • Donna Brazile was quoted on the record in this wall street journal article:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12154796 4529734509.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

    Hillary Clinton won a hefty 1,600 convention delegates in six months of primaries. A big question now is whether to let them vote at the Democratic convention.
    High on the list of matters that Sen. Clinton and likely Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama are negotiating as her campaign closes down is whether and how her name is put into nomination at the August convention in Denver, said party activists in both camps.  A full roll-call vote that reminds everyone how close she came to being the nominee could reveal party rifts going into the fall campaign, they said.  But keeping her name off the roll call could anger her supporters.

    It is a "bone of contention" in the negotiations between the Clinton and Obama camps, said Democratic consultant Donna Brazile. ....

    Sen. Clinton's campaign office didn't answer emails seeking comment. Under party rules, Sen. Clinton's huge delegate count gives her the right to put her name into nomination. "But do you do it?" asked Ms. Brazile.  "Politically, does it heighten tensions?"

    see: http://alegrescorner.soapblox.net/showDi ary.do?diaryId=192

  • and Brazille said, that it could be arranged, so that "Hillary will give a scripted concession" or words to that effect...

    There was a whole, huge article on it.  In fact,  I wrote a diary on it, and Donna's quote was ON the record too.

    Remember When Donna's Mama Told Her to Play by the Rules?

  • Sorry, I posted this comment in another diary by mistake!!

    Could you consider cross-posting this diary at Alegre's Corner??  Thanks.  

  • Catfish2,

    This is an excellent diary.  May I suggest you cross-post it on Alegre's Corner?? Thanks.

  • Thank you.  

    That, in a nutshell, explains the anger and frustrations of women during this primary season.

  • on a comment on Do Progressives Allow Dissent? over 6 years ago


    The video is very well done.  

  • First of all, people who mention her husband was President, intentionally forget that she was a MAJOR reason he got there.

    Since she announced for NY Senate seat, the pundits hated her.  She worked.  She got nominated.  She worked.  She got elected.  She got re-elected.  She just kept working.

    Then she ran for President.  Let's be honest here.  Barack had the whole anti-Clinton machine behind him.  So it was pretty even match.  He outraised her.  Her campaign manager spent all her money.  But Hillary never quit.

    Her true grit showed after February.  There is really no words for what she accomplished there.  She was no longer a front runner.  She had her back against the wall, and the whole bl---y media was out to get her (like sharks circling round a victim).  She campaigned.  She won the big states, the popular vote. She received the most votes in the history of the primary elections of either party.  

    She did all this while being outspent 3 to 1, even 4, 5 to one. She did this under constant assault by the billion mass media ready to twist every statement of hers and give her opponent the benefit of every doubt possible.  She did this against the constant drum roll of "get out, you ...".

    She is amazing and truely inspirational.  No matter what she does in future, I will never forget what she did for women in this election.

  • Their mind is made up.  Don't confuse them with facts.

    BTW, I remember Ronk from dkos in 2002-2003 (yes, that far back).  He was also a passionate voice for truth and keeping everyone honest (as he is now.)  That's why I have so much respect for him.  

  • RonK just posted on this topic on The Confluence and mydd:

    http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/ 07/03/what-do-these-people-have-in-commo n/

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/7/3/17353 4/9556#4

    A very well-written post.

  • And, because Truth matters.

    I know.  That has become somewhat of a quaint notion among the netroots, but some of us still hang on to those old-fashioned concepts.

  • Yes, I love PUMA's.  They are free in spirit, and independent in nature.  


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